Time For Romney To Bow Out?

The Whistler  •  January 10, 2008

The Boston Herald thinks its time, saying that Massachusetts politicians don’t lose in New Hampshire, but I’m not one who really gets behind all these calls for various candidates to “bow out” of the primaries.
I happen to think Romney should go on as long as he, personally, feels prudent. And I certainly don’t think it’s the place of the media to start pressuring candidates into giving up.
That being said, I certainly think that Romney has been dealt two possibly mortal wounds in Iowa and New Hampshire and that his campaign is undoubtedly running on life support at this time, but if he wants to stay in the race why shouldn’t he? The race is close, nothing is for sure, and Romney isn’t hurting anyone by keeping his campaign going.

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  • http://www.ski-blog.com/ sayanything-24

    I am a Fred Head first, but figure that eventually it will be a Romney-Fred ticket with Romney using Fred to shore up any perceived lack of Conservative positions on Abortion, Gay Marriage, and so on. That would be absolutely ideal for me. First, both are Federalists and Fred is about as well thought out and conservative on judges as Alito, Scalia, Roberts, Thomas, etc. He would be perfect for SCOTUS, but is too old and has health problems otherwise he might already be there. Expect that the Romney-Fred SCOTUS nominees would be cut from the same mold. Romney is stellar on economic issues. So is Fred. I am not a fan of Rudy, McCain or Huckabee on this.

    This is what bothers me so bad about folks like Gene. I am a values voter and believe that the thing that matters the most is class mobility and economic freedom. Jesus isn’t miraculously going to send my kids to college or pay my mortgage payment or provide for my retirement. God helps those that help themselves. And Huckabee’s policies on the economy, taxes, etc., will ensure that whatever problems we have with the economy only get worse.

    If you want to stop abortion, improve opportunities for blacks. They have an abortion rate that is three times that of whites. The only way to do that is with tax cuts, job creation, and growth. Black unemployment is lower than at any time during the Clinton presidency and this has a real and tangible impact on abortion rates because it provides more opportunities. If you want to stop gay marriage, then provide domestic partnership or civil unions that allow them to protect their assets and jointly control their finances. These problems are almost purely fiscal issues. These are not religious issues.

  • http://www.ski-blog.com/ sayanything-24

    Also interesting is that of the 2300 Republican delegates, over 400 delegates are not chosen by primaries or cauci. They are members of the RNC or other preselected delegates. Meaning that if no candidate wins a solid majority of the elected delegates, this voting block of uncommitted delegates easily controls the election.

    Which makes things interesting for the Republicans. There is no clear front runner and if Romney, McCain, Rudy, and Huckabee all survive long enough to force a plurality, this race is going to be a bunch of back room cigar smoking fat cat tycoon members of the Elders of Zion conspiring to force their candidate of choice on the American people.

  • anonomisly

    I am a Fred Head first, but figure that eventually it will be a Romney-Fred ticket with Romney using Fred to shore up any perceived lack of Conservative positions

    Substitute “McCain” for “Romney” and you’ll have a way more likely scenario as to who Fred is more likely end up with. They’re long time buddies after all..

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I agree with Rob. Romney should stay in the race if he feels like it, no matter how poor his chances.
    With luck, though, he’ll retire a couple of his less than effective ‘bots! :)

  • carrick

    Romney actually leads on delegate votes at the moment, so the call for him to bow out looks particularly silly. In spite of his New England presence, he isn’t expected to do very well there, so New Hampshire isn’t much of a surprise…

  • Craig

    Where will McCain win again, other than maybe Michigan? SC and FL are fairly wide open, too. Unless Mitt wants to bow out, endorse Fred, and give him some cash, he should stay in.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    I am betting on Rudy or Romney as these two are the most appealing to donors and the money Republicans. And really, while the Republican Party likes the votes that the Evangelicals provide, we tend to be run by the corporate upper middle class Conservatives (Wall Street Conservatives) since we are the ones that control the money.

    If it came down to Rudy and Mitt I think Mitt is a better option. I just don’t trust Rudy and why can’t he run for something like Attorney General like Michelle Malkin said.

  • HG

    Romney is my second choice and other than McCain, he is the only one who can win in the general election. Thompson supporters are going to end up in one of these two camps. Romney is in a pretty good position right now. I wouldn’t suggest he do anything but turn it up a notch.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has decided to pull his advertising from South Carolina and Florida, in a sign of trouble for a campaign that badly needs a win. Romney had been hoping to challenge John McCain and Mike Huckabee in South Carolina, and Rudy Giuliani in Florida, where the former New York mayor has been spending time and money.

    “We feel the best strategy is to focus our paid messaging in Michigan,” Romney spokesman Kevin Madden said Wednesday.

    I love the smell of desperation in the morning!

  • http://www.ski-blog.com/ sayanything-24

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has decided to pull his advertising from South Carolina and Florida, in a sign of trouble for a campaign that badly needs a win.

    I think this is actually a good sign personally. It means he thinks he has a shot to recover some momentum if he can win MI and apparently thinks MI is doable.

    McCain took all of his money out of Iowa and moved it to NH and got a win. Huckabee put all of his into Iowa and out of NH and got a win there. Rudy is spending all his money in Florida. Thompson is fighting in South Carolina.

    This means Romney and McCain go head to head in MI, but McCain is also contesting SC so he is diverted. Huckabee, Thompson, and McCain fight it out in SC. Huck and Rudy in FL with everyone else in the match.

    Either Romney recaptures some momentum with a win or he loses all competitive battles heading into Super Tuesday. I still don’t see him checking out until the first of Feb. Winning one and finishing second twice is enough to see what happens to everyone else.

  • http://www.ski-blog.com/ sayanything-24

    If Romney gets another 5% of the vote, he earns, what, another 2 delegates? And as of right now, he won Wyoming, took second in Iowa and NH, and should finish first or second in Michigan. That is the real test. He was born in MI and his dad was governor. If he falls to a distant 3rd in MI or Nevada, then it is time to call it quits.

    Because McCain finished ahead while Romney was campaigning in Iowa, all the sudden he is the comeback kid, despite finishing 4th in Iowa and receiving barely any support?

    Romney has the money to keep fighting and I am not sure that this victory gives McCain much in the way of donor support. And I think that is what it is all about right now. Romney is wounded, but he still is in better shape than the other candidates because of his deep pockets.

  • http://www.ski-blog.com/ sayanything-24

    Christians have fewer Abortions, Don’t marry the guy down the street if they’re a guy, handle their money better starting with tithing. If you just lower taxes, or give them tax incentives you have people without a hope or a future with lower taxes.

    The whole difference is coming clear. You believe that economics solves problems of the heart and sin. Boy, that’s rich.

    No, I don’t believe it is my place to handle sin or to “outlaw” sin. It is never going to go away, no matter how much you pay in tithes.

    Economics provides the opportunity for people to make informed choices not to sin. Having economic opportunity makes sin less attractive–especially when the sin is crime or drugs. Having hope of a future provides people the chance to make good decisions.

    Abortion is not about Christian or not Christian. It is primarily about black or Hispanic versus white. Blacks have 40% of the abortions in this country. Hispanics another 30%. Yet the two combined make up only about 25% of the population. Abortion is primarily, no almost exclusively, an urban problem.

    So while all you Evangelicals talk the talk about abortion, why aren’t more churches doing building projects and opening businesses and creating jobs in the inner city? Using your tithes to fund inner city churches and doing ministry to blacks? Learning Spanish and doing missionary work to the poor Hispanics in their ethnic neighborhoods?

    No, instead, your answer is to simply outlaw abortion. And that mysteriously solves all the problems and allows you to send 10% to Joel Osteen or Pat Robertson or TD Jakes or whoever and whatever flavor of Evangelical Assembly of God church you attend that has a McDonalds in the lobby or maybe a Starbucks and whose parisheners drive Lexuses and Cadillacs to their church services. How often do you attend church with your family in the inner city? How often do you minister to the poor blacks and Hispanics that are having abortions? How much money do you give in tithes to the organizations that provide abortion alternatives in the inner city? How often do you volunteer there? How about the other folks at your church?

    Nope, they simply vote Huckabee and think that will fix it all.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    Reality Check Time.

    Huck wins MI, SC and FL. It’s already in unless you believe in miracles.

    Then it’s Super Tuesday. Now things get tougher for Huck. It becomes default time. The rest by the end of FL are gone except for McCain and in name only Rudy and Mitt. They drop out in order, Fred after SC, Romney and Gulliani after Super Tuesday. No one will have enough delegates to have it all sown up. They will be divided up 4 ways. Rudy and Mitt will recognize they can’t get there from here. McCain then only has to bobble the ball badly one time. On him we can depend to do this. He’s predictable and a pro at it.

    It’s then a Hillary Huck debate after the conventions. Floor mopping time. Hillary is just a very small notch above Rosemary’s baby among Evangelicals and many values voters and I’m guessing with many Fiscal conservatives. This is gonna be fun.

    When Reality Bites, where you gonna go?

  • djkrell

    Romney, Romney, Romney. He’s focused, passionate, immacualte leader, moderately conservative, and face it…how many Mormons do you know with poor family values.
    Romney quit now??? He’s just getting started. He’s wealthy with HIS OWN MONEY! He’s owes no favors.
    He’ll stare Achmedinejad straight down into hell, then smartly brush off his sweater and get back to work as if nothing happened. I tell you, he’s made a few mistakes, as we all have, but if he’s not the next President, we’re all gonna be sorry. I’m not LDS but maybe I should check it out.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Or, as Bill Mitchell might say,

    “Romney is conceding South Carolina to the out-of-state, independent, bigoted hick Democrats and f’ing moron Republicans who skew the polls so badly!”

  • http://www.ski-blog.com/ sayanything-24

    You believe that economics solves problems of the heart and sin.

    BTW, I don’t believe it is the job of government to solve the problem of sin. Perhaps that is the difference between me and you.

  • http://www.wethepeopleforum.com/forum/forums.asp golfmann

    And I certainly don’t think it’s the place of the media to start pressuring candidates into giving up.

    That applies to the debates as well. If a name is on the ballot he/she should get in the debates until they drop out.

    Thank you…

  • http://www.ski-blog.com/ sayanything-24

    So Huckabee is going to win more than 1100 delegates or is it going to be split 4 ways and force backroom deals at the Convention? I am betting the latter.

    Hmm, Republicans behind McCain, Romney, Thompson, and Rudy all uniting behind Huckabee… Secular Fiscal Conservatives deciding to throw their weight behind a Fiscal Liberal populist Baptist Preacher… Yeah, like that will happen.

    I am betting on Rudy or Romney as these two are the most appealing to donors and the money Republicans. And really, while the Republican Party likes the votes that the Evangelicals provide, we tend to be run by the corporate upper middle class Conservatives (Wall Street Conservatives) since we are the ones that control the money.

    People have to choose running mates. I am betting on a Rudy/Fred or a Romney/Fred ticket. The reason being that all three of these candidates are infinitely superior as leaders and Fiscal Conservatives to RINO McCain and Liberal Huckabee.

  • Bill Mitchell

    As far as Romney “bowing out”. Actually “winning” in proportional states like Iowa and NH is really almost meaningless.

    Hillary BEAT Obama in NH but they BOTH got 9 delegates!

    So far, Romney has BY FAR the most votes of any Republican Candidate.

    I do agree that if he loses in MI though, he is in serious trouble.

    Too bad MI is another BS “open” primary and Indies and Dems can register to vote in the Republican Primary. Obama and Hillary won’t be fighting in MI so all those evil Dems can vote for McGrumpy.

  • http://www.ski-blog.com/ sayanything-24

    And BTW, this is why Hillary won. The left and their big money backers have too much invested in her candidacy to lose. On the Republican side, the money folks are split between Romney, Thompson, and Rudy. I am personally waiting to see what shakes out before donating any more money than the money I have already given to Fred.

    Again, I will donate to anyone that is going to beat Huckabee and if he is the nominee, I will vote Ron Paul, Hillary, Obama or Kucinich before I will vote for Huckabee.

    Huckabee is not a Conservative, so with no Conservative in the race, I would rather take my chances with someone that Republicans will unite against, rather than completely selling out Conservatism.

  • Bill Mitchell

    DID YOU GUYS HEAR THE LATEST SCANDAL BREWING:

    Well, it turns out that in NH, you don;t have to actually LIVE there to VOTE there. You just have to REGISTER at the polls and indicate that you PLAN to move to NH!

    It was also noted that at Hillary’s rallies the day before the election, the parking lot was FULL of license plates from VT, MA and NY.

    Get it?

    They bussed in voters from out of state and had them register as “future” residents and won.

    THAT’S why the polls were wrong! THAT’s why Hillary carried a huge amount of young women when polls said she was losing among them.

    Will this have legs? It is just SO Clinton.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    Justin says

    If you want to stop abortion, improve opportunities for blacks. They have an abortion rate that is three times that of whites. The only way to do that is with tax cuts, job creation, and growth. Black unemployment is lower than at any time during the Clinton presidency and this has a real and tangible impact on abortion rates because it provides more opportunities. If you want to stop gay marriage, then provide domestic partnership or civil unions that allow them to protect their assets and jointly control their finances. These problems are almost purely fiscal issues. These are not religious issues.

    There my friend is the true divide. You think we can fix thing by giving people more money or better jobs or more opportunities. I could not disagree more. Yes, those things help, but if you try to help poor blacks in Chicago (as I DO) you have to first change their hearts. Christians have fewer Abortions, Don’t marry the guy down the street if they’re a guy, handle their money better starting with tithing. If you just lower taxes, or give them tax incentives you have people without a hope or a future with lower taxes.

    The whole difference is coming clear. You believe that economics solves problems of the heart and sin. Boy, that’s rich.

    Justin, you are NOT a values voter. You believe in the power of MAMMON to solve problems. Or at least that’s what you said. If that were true, Americans at large would be the most moral straight honest people on the planet since we have more opportunity than anyone else on the planet.

    Looked around lately. It ain’t necessarily so.

    Why don’t we just give everyone a job that pays a minimum of 100 grand a year. That’ll solve the problems of the inner city in Chicago.

    HA

  • pparets

    Romney? Rudy? McCain? Thompson? Listening to all of the lala-land scenarios posed here reminds me why we have primaries in the first place. Lets all take a really deep breath and wait awhile and lets all resolve NOW that we are going to support the GOP candidate – whoever it is – rather than let Clinton, Obama or Edwards appoint the next two or three Supreme Court justices. Thats what this election is really all about!

  • http://www.ski-blog.com/ sayanything-24

    If that were true, Americans at large would be the most moral straight honest people on the planet since we have more opportunity than anyone else on the planet.

    So who are the most moral, straight, honest people on the planet if not Americans?

  • skh.pcola

    Gene said:

    handle their money better starting with tithing.

    Clue me in…how does giving 10% of your money constitute better handling of your money? That’s a pretty ridiculous assertion.

  • http://joscafe.com/ Jo

    Considering “all” the polls were wrong and she won, even if she bussed them in, that’s just NH. The rest will come out in the ironing (snort). Once they start hitting states where you have to vote your party, things will change. And Romney needs to stay in it as long as he wants.

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