Tim Russert RIP

http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

It is interesting how liberals will use their faith to attack conservatives. Puzzle, You knew full well by calling Neiman a “faux christian” it would incite rage and ire. This is an election year! As a conservative, I too am angry. I understand where Neiman is coming from! I am sick to death of the commie socialist way of life infiltrating our way of life. However, saying that, I do wish Tim Russert and his family peace.

Neiman

Puzzled: I am still waiting for your outrage at Chrissy Matthews and your calling him a false something or other. OR, are we being just a little hypocritical? I am just saying . . . you are a hypocrite on this issue.

FDR never intended for SS to be a retirement system and in fact he said it should transitition into private retirement accounts. But, the Democrat Party in their liberal-socialist mindset, realized that if they could control SS, add Medicare and welfare, they could make poor to middle class people, which are always among us, wholly dependent upon them to eat and get health care. By making tens of millions of people dependent upon them they could translate that into votes and more importantly a stranglehold on power. All they had to do was steal from hard working taxpayers and force them to financially support what was and is essentially a Democrat Party, Socialist, Welfare State.

As to SS, yes we paid into and yet did you notice the money was not set aside for us, because they could use that money for every other social-slavery program they could imagine and over time increase the number of people that needed to vote for them as they would need Democrat Party charity, financed by hard working Americans. Then, they tell illegal aliens, ‘hell we don’t care if you ever paid into the SS system, you get all the financial benefits too.’ Well, guess which party these illegal aliens, illegally vote into power along with their legal alien pals. They all know that the Democrat Party controls the Federal Tit and they can eat, drink and be merry, knowing the Democrats each year will give them more and more free assistance, you know, they are buying their votes.

By the way, in the near future there will be many more people receiving SS and medicare than people working to put money in, and because of that your Dedmocrat-Socialist, Plantation owing pals each year increase the age a person can qualify, decrease the benefits, increase the costs for medicare and when the system goes broke, no matter how much we paid in they will have to say, so sorry you don’t get any of the money you paid into SS back.

Neiman

Puzzled: All those words and not one of them was condemnation of Chrissy for using Russerts death for purposes other than fawning over him and being ‘decent?’ I am justy saying . . . you are going all around the subject to avoid admitting more than a little hypocrisy on your part.

Saving it up? I have about another zillion words of condemnation for the Democrat-Socialist Party and the social welfare plantation state they have built up to destroy the lives of people they pretend to love. They have destroyed tens of millions of black American lives because at heart the Democrats are racists.

Come on now, waiting to hear you condemn Chrissay and accuse him of being false something or other.

http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

For someone to promote as secure the soon to be bankrupt medicare and social security systems reveals a willful ignorance of reality. Anyone relying on these programs to stay the same as they are today and pay for their retirement or their medical expenses years in the future is living in a fool’s paradise. These are giant Ponzi schemes. As this reality becomes clearer as the years pass, the beneficiaries of these corrupt programs will realize they have been victimized by their socialist overlords. At that time, there will be an attempt by the govt. to inflate our way out of the problem OR (my hope) the people will finally realize they have been sold a bill of goods and rebel against these bankrupt schemes.

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

Neiman.
I think you’re just a fucking cunt. Irredeemable.

they are vegetables. Isn’t this the Carter doctrine?

So nice of you. I wonder why you don’t get along with people? And you politicized it. Speaking of silly effing religions, here’s one for you

the Holy Trinity, espoused in the Nicene Creed, is one God who exists in three Persons — Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit — who are coequal, co-eternal, of the same substance. “Father, Son and Holy Spirit” represents both the immanence and transcendence of God.

Yeah, that sounds attractive, magic, bullshit, infinity, kind of one step beyond being an acid freak, they are idiots.

If you don’t like it when people diss on your pathetic little make believe God, maybe you should be a nicer man. All your claims to virtue and anything remotely Christian are so much bullshit. Go kill some minorities, ‘vegetables’, and calm down. Clearly, you’ve got it right. Why listen? Why even attempt to interact? You dont have even a workable idea what’s going on here:

To confront those that confront you is bad because ……..?

Actually, you came out of nowhere, seething with hatred of the dead. Grow up.

WhatTha?

Prayers for his family and friends. Now God has his own personal political commentator. Rest well, Mr. Russert.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Seemed like a nice enough guy! He will be missed!

http://Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com/ Chris Brownell

I am sad for his family.
C.

Pilgrim

58. Damn. Too young.

Sincere condolences to his family.

http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

How sad! God bless him.

Kay

He was one TV newsperson I really liked–I feel he was fair most of the time and could ask tough questions of both political sides. I am very sorry about this and give his family my prayers and condolensces.

http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

I wonder if his recent trans-Atlantic flights were a factor.
I'll miss his interviews.

2Hotel9

He would ask the hard questions most of the time, no matter who was in the seat across from him.

Rest in peace. Ah! Who am I kidding, he has likely already started digging for an indepth interview as we speak. He died doing what he loved. Few can claim that distinction.

Neiman

He was a liberal, an unabsahed liberal. He always pounced on conservatives on his show, doing all he could to destroy them, while treating liberals generally with kid gloves. He was a propaganda minister for the DNC, the Left and Socialism. He was in short, a Leftist.

Kindly in appearance, a gentlemen in manner, intelligent, hard working, if his own self-promotion can be believed he loved his family and was generally a decent person. He was a skilled interviewer and solid television anchor.

Now which Tim Russert are you conservatives crying for tonight? He was an enemy of everything you believed, an extreme partisan, but because it came is a chubby, kindly package we should lower the flags to half staff and declare a national day of mounring?

The man will be missed by many and even by those on the opposite side of the political spectrum, that is as it should be if he was mostly a decent man; but are we now to deify him in death, make him something greater than he was in life? Yeah, after all everyone here has shed many tears over Teddy Kennedy's illness, so hypocrisy thy name is conservative. I know I felt sad that Hitler had to die at such a young age, Saddam, Mao and Arafat too.

http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

Now which Tim Russert are you conservatives crying for tonight? He was an enemy of everything you believed, an extreme partisan, but because it came is a chubby, kindly package we should lower the flags to half staff and declare a national day of mounring?

During the race for Senate, Russert grilled Claire McCaskcal, stopping just short of calling her a liar in her comments that she hadn't accused Bush of murder and racism.

The man was indeed an unabashed liberal. But he could be tough on liberals too.

Even if he was a flaming liberal, he was a nice person by all accounts and we should mourn his passing as decent human beings.

Neiman

Kenny: I am just asking questions! It bothers me when just because someone gets sick or dies, we can pretend they never said what they said or did what they did.

I saw Russert as much more partisan than you did, I realize my hatred of the Left might prejudice my views of his partisanship.

I agreed he seemed like a nice fellow, it is good to think good of the dead. We should feel sad for the family that loved him and those that admired him as they face this loss. It is the going overboard that bothers me at times like these.

If Bush died tonight, no one on the Left would mourn him or feel sorry for his family. It would be rejoing in the steets that the sonofabitch was dead and in hell! If someone well known of the Left dies, we immediately deify him/her and contort their lives out of all decent proportion.

Just to make it clear; I do pray for his family and friends that they find comfort during the difficult days ahead!

http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

I liked Russert. He was partisan, but he did a decent job grilling Democrats.

Pointing out that Democrats (in general) are filthy heartless pricks, doesn't mean we should be. And we shouldn't paint a decent man with the same brush we paint, lets say, Ted Kennedy with.

Puzzlefeet

Neiman is an ass. I'm just saying in my humble opinion. And I pray for Neiman's family and friends. He is a flaming rightie and I hope his family finds comfort somewhere.

Neiman

Pointing out that Democrats (in general) are filthy heartless pricks, doesn't mean we should be. And we shouldn't paint a decent man with the same brush we paint, lets say, Ted Kennedy with.

But Kenny, even some of those here at SA, did paint Ted with that same brush that he was really a decent man, despite political differences and we needed to feel his pain and that of his family.

He was partisan, but he did a decent job grilling Democrats.

Well we simply disagree! I think he routinely beat up on conservatives and treated most Lefties with kid gloves. That is my opinion! Which does not mean he was not a decent man, I said that above several times. Again, as you are being so very reasonable; as I said before I am only posing questions here, trying to seriously, honestly understand how we can call a man partisan and an enemy of all our beliefs one day, and because he dies we immediately seem to want to deify him and pretend his former role as our enemy didn't matter. I am not even judging it, just wondering aloud at the phenomena! I do not understand calling someone on the battlefield that is trying to destroy you and your way of life, even at the point of death, a hail and good fellow, it seems so hypocritical!

Puzzled: What pig god do you pray to? Don't need em, don't want them, neither would my family. When low life people like you want to deny a person the right to get mad, even lose his temper in defending his personal honor when attacked, then you have no moral high ground whatsoever to occupy. You never examined the issues, you just jumped naked in bed with Batshit to defend your lover and to hell with the truth or a mans honor!

Neiman

Kenny: I am too am a damn hypocrite! If I knew or somehow met Tim's family, I would embrace them, try and comfort and console them and not only not speak of our differences, I would not even think about them. I would be the first to rush in with expressions of genuine concern.

docdave

However you shape it, he had a strong role in the leftist media which he relished. I think a person with 'real' principles would have sought employment elsewhere.

Neiman

DOcDave: The idea is he was a Liberal, he was a member of a Leftist media, to do so he had to sacrifice something of himself, because he knew it was wrong to silence others in favor of his partisan views. I said it several times, he may have been a decent man in private, I wished him no ill will nor that his family need suffer more than necessary, but I do have questions about what appears to me to be the hypocrisy and duplicity involved in calling someone yesterday we felt was our enemy, a decent man today and so deeply mourn his passing.

Please help me by explaining how a so-called, "decent man," could participate in a news organization that twisted the news to favor their liberal political ideology. Can he be a truly decent man and work to silence others? Maybe! I am just asking questions, which will irritate some people.

Hannitized

He was a liberal, an unabsahed liberal. He always pounced on conservatives on his show, doing all he could to destroy them, while treating liberals generally with kid gloves. He was a propaganda minister for the DNC, the Left and Socialism. He was in short, a Leftist.

Just as one liberal doesn't represent an entire group, neither does Nieman classless behavior represent the rights.

Niemans response does not represent all Christians either, how could it? Most Christians would never confuse the appropriate time to state THEIR OPINIONS of the recently deceits character, with the inappropriate time. Nieman did!

What this says is that Nieman is a raging asshole who happens to have no class. Nieman represents himself, quite poorly.

Bill O'Rielly would use a post like this to lash out at all liberals and accuse a site that leaves a post like this up as a hate site. Is he right? I think not. It is the content of the posts that go up that should be measured.

That measurement would surely qualify SAB as a hate site. But posts like Neiman simply illustrate that classless morons exist on this site, even at the least appropriate time.

Good job Nieman.

Puzzlefeet

Neiman is a faux Christian and we have seen that recently. He is an angry bitter old man flailing about your honor. Quite frankly you have no honor and have shown that too,too, many times.

You claim to be a christian, but act most if not at all times in an unchristian manner. Your recent diatribes have been angry bitter and quite hilarious.

Again, I will pray for your family to be saddled with the likes of you, an angry, bitter old man.

Neiman

Hannitized:
1. You obviously cannot read!
2. Not once did I lash out at Russert, from the beginning I only asked questions.
3. On several occasions I mentioned that I had no reason to doubt he was a decent man and that I felt sincere compassion for his family.
4. I admitted that face to face I would be just as hypocritical as anyone; but this is not face to face, this is a place for open and honest discussions, well it used to be, its not anymore.
5. Why are you afraid of honest questions?

Using my own words, in context please show me my sin Point it out to me so I can confess my error.

Bat One

It is the content of the posts that go up that should be measured.

H,

Obviously, the time have considered this bit of wisdom would have been yesterday afternoon.

Pity, for Rob our host, and for all who post reasonably and with civility, that was definitely not the case.

Neiman

Neiman is a faux Christian and we have seen that recently. He is an angry bitter old man flailing about your honor. Quite frankly you have no honor and have shown that too,too, many times. You claim to be a christian, but act most if not at all times in an unchristian manner. Your recent diatribes have been angry bitter and quite hilarious. Again, I will pray for your family to be saddled with the likes of you, an angry, bitter old man.

Ah, his holiness Puzzled engages in judging others, not noticing the huge freaking beam in his own eye. Very Christian of you Puzzled, or are you a faux Christian too?

You want to defend your lover and others, but seem to have no regard for the truth. When did you ever examine the issue that started my angry tirades to determine truth, or was your lovers word alone good enough, damn the facts full speed ahead to defend the lie.

Why is it as a holy man you deny people the right to defend their own words, their own honor. Please look down from your White Throne where you are, as God, Judging me and tell me how you got to be this spotless, sinless creature you now claim to be. If you are not spotless and sinless, how then are you equipped with enough spiritual light to judge me? Hmmm?

As you pray that my family be delivered, considering your own perfect holiness gained and maintained by your own efforts, you are playing God now, so why not play Peter and ask God to slay me on the spot? At least then your assumption of deity will be complete.

I was wrongly attacked, lied about and since speaking in resonable tones in a calm and polite manner didn't work, at least I feel you all can understand cursing and thereby might accidently hear the truth. I don't regret the anger, it is directed at a man of lies and dishonor and only used in my personal defense.

pparets

Neiman:

You jumped naked in bed with Bats–t

Something has changed recently in your nature and your commentary. Where once you were critical without malice, forthright without venom and frequently uplifting, you have have become something much less than you were. Why?

Of late, you tend to quickly go off on a tirade laced with language no Christian gentleman would ordinarily use and then end up apologizing.

I miss the Neiman I used to see here.

Puzzlefeet

Bingo, pparets! It is hard to read through a post filled with hate, yelling, filth et al. Perhaps I have been harsh as well, but Neiman's posts can't be read for substance because the vulgar language and yelling puts off any understanding of content.

Further, on this particular thread, most were giving condolences to a man who died suddenly and he goes on the attack, and then adds that he feels for the family. Sorry, but it rings hollow. He wraps his disdain for Russert in a faux sympathy card. Sorry, not buying it.

Neiman is a fake and a fraud IMO.

pparets

puzzlefeet:

Neiman is a fake…

I'm grateful that you saw some merit in my message to Neiman, but I'm concerned about why there has been such an abrupt and extreme change in his posts.

I never believed Neiman was a fake or a fraud and I still don't.

But, like you, I am troubled by his rage.

Neiman

Puzzled: How hard it must be for you to play God and judge others and still keep your halo straight. Holy, holy, holy is thy name oh Puzzled, Lord God Almighty!

Pparets:
When we give way to anger in our hearts, over any matter no matter how small; we knowingly open the door to the enemy and give him permission to rule in our lives. Anger knows no friends, and when someone sides with my enemies they too become my enemies. I got tired of the lies, of being attacked for defending what I said against those lies, I got damn tired of trying to do the right thing God's way, quite frankly this last lie was so clear that I just didn't care anymore. I want to defend my honor in this incident and the truth against all who would oppose it, even unto my own death.

I know that it is wrong to get angry and to move away from God to side with the enemy of our souls; but if God won't defend the truth, when I am walking in the Truth, then to hell with it and everyone else. Try and be civil and these cretins just attack, attack and attack, I know that at the very least they understand something when it is loud and dirty. There are times that try men's souls, there are lies so egregious that nothing else matters but fighting the lies.

Had even one person simply looked at what I said and shown me amd others how it was an attack on Rob or accusing him of something falsely, I would have hated to admit I said something that I didn't mean to say and I would have swallowed hard and backed off; but I deliberately chose very benign, tame words to express what I believe to be reasonable to assume, without any malice. How can I then bend over and allow the lie to remain? My first attempts were rather civil; but when I saw that this man was deliberately lying about me and would not admit his lie, I got really mad, angrier than I have gotten in decades; and despite the fact I know what happens to our souls in anger and the testimony of Jesus, I just didn't give a damn anymore, my honor was more important.

This is no apology! I knew the price for my anger, but I was willing to pay it because I hate lies so much. I seek no ones friendship here, no respect, no approval from anyhone. I knew what I was doing and I deliberately chose anger, because I was tired of the lies. I have received several private emails that were very encouraging and kind, while not approving of my anger, those, some liberals, are much appreciated for their genuine concern and kindness.

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

I love you Neiman.

Neiman

rbb: Please be assured I DO NOT love you at all and you DO NOT love me at all. Those are just empty, meaningless words.

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

… just empty, meaningless words?

Matthew 22:39

Bat One

Holy, holy, holy is thy name oh Puzzled, Lord God Almighty!

Adding blasphemy to your list of dubious accomplishments now, are we? As I recall, there is no exception listed in either Exodus or Deuteronomy for sarcasm. Doesn't take a deacon to see that's even more un-Christian than your previous behavior, old man.

Puzzlefeet

Get over yourself, Neiman. You hate the left, you said so. Your faux sympathy and prayers for the family is what I called you on. Your display your hypocrisy for all to see an then d you play the victim. Continue on, it so becomes you.

Neiman

batshit: Not that it matters to a cretin like you, Christianity has nothing to do with the Old Testament. Before you pretend to holiness, get in the right Covenant or be quiet lest everyone know you to be a fool.

… just empty, meaningless words?

Matthew 22:39

Are you willing to die for me, to give me your money or take care of me? No, I thought not! Are you willing to serve me that I might be won over by your love? No, just as I thought.

I won't waste my time with you, no one is capable of true Love, agape love on their own power, it is totally selfless and always giving, it is God's Love. To the degree any Christian truly loves someone else, it is Christ in them loving the other person, for the flesh is weak and incapable of love.

http://Array Neiman

Get over yourself, Neiman. You hate the left, you said so. Your faux sympathy and prayers for the family is what I called you on. Your display your hypocrisy for all to see an then d you play the victim. Continue on, it so becomes you.

Your continuing to play the role of god and claim a superior righteousness, didn't Jesus tell you folks not to judge others. Well, you being holy and all, I am sure you are an exception.

So you are saying that it is not reasonable or honest to ever hold contrary, conflicting positions on any one issue; that one can question the deification of Russert by many here and still care about his family. Now what chapter and verse was that?

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

That was not very nice Neiman.
You hurt my feelings.

Bat One

…didn't Jesus tell you folks not to judge others…

You are quite the impotent old hypocrite, aren't you? Lecturing others about not judging.

Puzzle was right when she noted your penchant for playing victim whenever you are overwhelmed by the superiority of others.

Neiman

Still avoiding the central issue hey Lord BatOne? You are still cowering in fear to use my own words in the original post to demonstrate by them how I atacked Rob or falsely accused him of anything. You are afraid because you know you lied! You must and will try and spin around this issue until the very end, because you know you are wrong!

I said I gave rule to the devil when I decided to be angry, so I can hardly be called a hypocrite! But, you hate the truth, you know without any shadow of doubt you are both engaging in judging me, of pretending to know my heart and thereby you are sitting upon God's Throne. It's not very comfortable up there is it? Playing God is dangerous for the person playing God.

rbb: How did I hurt your feelings? Where did I lie or attack you by saying no man of the flesh can truly love anyone?

http://www.daughterlead.blogspot.com/ Urainium238

That was not very nice Neiman.
You hurt my feelings.

Then you should forgive him, Bob. You know, you need to turn the other cheek. And not just once, or seven times but "70 times 7 times."

Right?

Neiman

Bat you are shocked because someone would not submit to your bullying and lies; but maybe the good from it will be that you will not so easily lie about another person or try to bully them into submission, as you know that no real man woulod put up with your crap!

Neiman

Urainium238: He must forgive if the other one first repents, that is the exact quotation. So, even though I don't know how I hurt his feelings, I repent, I am sorry. Now 69 more times to go!

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

Yes. Thank you.

Neiman, I forgive you.

Please stop using the cuss words.
We don't like them.

Bat One

Once again, don't try to flatter yourself at my expense, old man. The most intimidating thing you've ever done was piss yourself in front of the gerontologist. Same as you did in boot camp.

I'm not impressed. I have no reason to fear any man… least of all a decrepit old specimen like you.

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

Neiman

Still terrified of the truth, heh Bat? You are shaking in your boots, you know your lies will expose you for the fraud you are and you will do anything to keep that issue from people here at SA.

Well, let us see how great a god you are in reading my life story: Pissing my pants hey? Marine Boot Camp, in Vietnam, as a police officer, as the head of a a rescue service, as part of an emergency medical team. Yeah, I was damn scared lots of times. Risked my life many times and helped save a few lives along the way though, I just did it with wet pants and a little fear. Actually, I am lying, I never wet my pants, plenty damn scared a few times though, wondered about the benefits of being a live coward versus being reckless about trying to save others. Almost got killed three times, the last one I was in coma a week, 175 cuts on my face alone.

Now, when and where did your ever risk your life for anyone or anything? When and where did you put it all on the line because you cared about someone else more than your own miserable life? I am sure you did it all with dry pants and lots of medals for your heroism though! Looking to hear a couple of hair raising stories!

Oh, my brother, son, grandson and nephew all fought for the country; one dead, two seriously wounded. I'll bet they all pissed their pants once or twice.

Neiman

Yes. Thank you.

Neiman, I forgive you.

Please stop using the cuss words.
We don't like them.

What fucking cuss words are you talking about? Okay, okay until this one I started toning it down a bit, don't expect miracles, though I'll try just for you!

Neiman

Getting tired now, Gonna get me depends, my teeth in water, take a last pee and toddle off to the bed. It's been fun though! I love it her at the old folks home!

My arch enemy has been so funny that I am even less angry and calmed down quite a bit. I trust that tomorrow I can start out a little calmer still!

Good night Bat, hugs and kisses!

Bat One

Now, when and where did your ever risk your life for anyone or anything? When and where did you put it all on the line because you cared about someone else more than your own miserable life? I am sure you did it all with dry pants and lots of medals for your heroism though! Looking to hear a couple of hair raising stories!

As often happens, to all of us, your temper and your memory betray you. We've had this conversation before. Danang, 1966-1967. On October 26, 1967, I was on an RC135 in the Gulf of Tonkin, where we noted, recorded, and reported that one of the Navy strike aircraft listed on that day's "Frag Orders", an A4, I believe, was shot down by an SA-2 over the North. The pilot punched out, his "guard" beeper went off, and later chatter, both Vietnamese and Chinese, confirmed that he was alive but had been captured. The pilot was John McCain and his father was, at the time, Deputy CINCPAC.

And, yes, I have the medals, and the DD-214 to prove it.

(All of which ought to also explain my heartfelt contempt for John Kerry.)

http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

Neimann,

I too am troubled by your lack of civility as of late. I genuinely hope that we don't come down on opposite sides of an issue so that I don't have to endure a tirade like Bat. You have become increasingly mean spirited to those around SA. Even Boob doesn't deserve the bile you have spit at him.

I know I'm not perfect and don't claim to be like Puzzle, but even I don't treat H as bad as you treat Bat One, Ken, and even Rob.

Brother, you talk about saving souls, but you SERIOUSLY need to look inward man.

Bat One

Kenny,

Thank you!

Your concern is admirable, but I suspect offered largely in vain. Only the foul insults to my family, totally beyond any pretense of decency or honor, really concern me. If Neiman chooses to isolate himself with his tempermental childishness, that's his choice. His contributions are minimal in any case.

Let it go!

Puzzlefeet

This thread started out in a perfectly civil manner. Posters who rarely agree on anything were commenting on the life of Tim Russert and giving condolences. Then in toddles Neiman and craps all over the thread.

So I apologize for flinging the crap back. Sorry.

2Hotel9

Damn, me and Puzz on the same wavelength. Thats twice this year, spooky.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

This thread started out in a perfectly civil manner. Posters who rarely agree on anything were commenting on the life of Tim Russert and giving condolences.

Common decency transcends politics.

Puzzlefeet

Hotel, shhh…. don't want to tell the whole world do ya?

2Hotel9

They would be shocked, shocked I say!

Neiman

This thread started out in a perfectly civil manner. Posters who rarely agree on anything were commenting on the life of Tim Russert and giving condolences. Then in toddles Neiman and craps all over the thread.

Fascinating! Questions about how people detest someone one day and deify them the next, even with sincere expressions of condolences for his family, so threaten you and upset your day. You have a right to your half-assed opinion, I simply disagree with your characterization.

Kenny: You may side with these people and likewise judge someone for simply asking questions, of wanting to explore how we react to these things, that is your right. So, you move to the the dark side of the conservative force here, which I hope you'll enjoy!

It is funny how these so-called conservatives here demand that everyone react they way they want, demand no one question their opinions, and playing god they daily engage in judging the heart and motives of anyone that does not bow to their will. Conservatism to them means conform to our dogma or die, no tolerance of other views, no right to other opinions; that is why people on the Left fear conservatives, they see that dictatorial spirit in them, that desire to force conformity to their belief system or else. Hitler would be proud!

Puzzlefeet

See, there you go again, Neiman. Please point to any post where anyone "deified" Russert. They simply wrote condolences and in your warped mind that is deifying the person who died.

But no, you the faux christian has to toddle in a crap all over the thread. You are so angry at BatOne for whatever that you troll in and toss in Hitler.

No one is siding with anyone here. I mean, really Neiman, how often do Hotel and I agree on anything. Almost never (you'd agree, right, Hotel?) But simply giving condolences is not and I repeat not deifying anyone.

Man, your persecution complex is running rampant.

Maybe time for you to find another blog…I'm just sayin…

Neiman

But no, you the faux christian has to toddle in a crap all over the thread. You are so angry at BatOne for whatever that you troll in and toss in Hitler.

I guess your holiness has never heard about judge not lest ye be judged and that with the same measurement you sit in judgment on others, Christ will measure your life by the same standard and pass the same judgment on you that you passed on them? So, since you say I am a false Christian, maybe He will show you how false your profession of faith really is and since you want me out of SA as punishment for not submitting to your will, maybe He help you find cause to move along as well. That is what the passage and teaching means!

Just FYI, BatOne first sugested and then I agreed that wisdom demands we stop all the fighting, just drop the whole thing and move on. It was an act of true manly character for him to first suggest an end to this fight, I am glad it is over.

Whether you like it or not your attacks on me because I dared to question, to try and understand how we react so hypocritically to such celebrity deaths is part and parcel of why the Left fear conservatives, they see in your rigid intolerance of others, even just to examine why we say or do things to be tyrannical and thus Hitlarian in nature. It is people like you that demand submission to your narrow views that make those on the Left fear conservatives, they don't fear bad language or open debate, but they do fear people like you that want to stifle all debate and who insist that everyone, even fellow conservatives adhere to their narrow dogma or else.

You and Rob are pals, so please for your sake, don't just invite me to leave SA, for goodness sakes have the guts to go to him and demand I be banned. After all, that is what some very extreme conservatives prefer to do isn't it? Come on, have some guts and start a campaign to have me banned and while you are at it to establish an SA policy that unless everyone uses language you like and conforms to your right wing dogma they are not allowed to comment here at all.

Have a great day! I sincerely wish you success in banning all forms of speech and people here at SA that do not conform to your narrow beliefs. God bless you and I hope you enjoy your judgmental bigotry against me, it seems to be all you have to enjoy.

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Neiman

Always so much confrontation…

Maybe you should look into Taoism.

Neiman

Sparkless: To confront those that confront you is bad because ……..?

Taoism: Taoist propriety and ethics emphasize the Three Jewels of the Tao: compassion, moderation, and humility. Taoist thought focuses on wu wei (non-action), spontaneity, transformation and emptiness/omnipotence.

Yeah, that sounds attractive, non-action, passivity, appeasement, kind of one step beyond being a vegetarian, they are vegetables. Isn't this the Carter doctrine?

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your judgmental bigotry against me

sniffle. get me a hankie.

Neiman

Sparkie says: sniffle. get me a hankie.

Yes, by all means, get Sparkie a hankie, stuff it in his mouth and leave it there for a few decades, seems very reasonable to me.

Puzzlefeet

Do you ever read what you write, Neiman? I mean really. I actually haven't professed my faith on this blog the way you do incessantly. Further, I do not wish to see you banned nor would I.

You just seem so unhappy lately and have utterly filled your posts with hatred and swearing that I just thought you might need to take a break from this blog.

Oh,and just for the record,Neiman, the left doesn't fear conservatives. Liberals and conservatives have to different ideologies and we go at it pretty hard on this blog.

But you on the other hand, have gotten so personal and downright nasty lately, that no one really digests the point you are trying to make. So you get angrier and swear a bit more. You make yourself out to be some kind of martyr here on this blog. The whole SA is out to get you and shut you up.

Hardly, you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper and your hatred has taken over any ability you had to make points here.

I'm just sayin…..
You are constantly aggressive and nasty when you express yourself and then fall back on the Bible and Christianity more than anyone else here on this blog.

If anyone dares question you, you say they are judging you when that is exactly what you are doing. You preach the Bible and then talk about your hatred for the left. This isn't judging you, this is pointing out what you are writing.

Neiman

Puzzled, and you truly are!

I absolutely, categorically reject all of your false characterizations about me and your deliberate obfuscations and many attempts at misdirection above.

The truth is, you got caught above calling me a false (faux), phony Christian at least twice. I must remind you that a rose by any other name still smells as sweet, and so no matter what you choose to call it to make yourself appear nicer to yourself – how can you face yourself and honestly claim YOU were not judging my spiritual nature and thus by extension my eternal fate, placing yourself on His Throne to do so. You got caught, if you think me a devil or angel (place your bets on the former), you were judging me and are still judging me IMO and I am just saying that according to Jesus with the exact same measuring rod and desire for retribution you are using to judge me; if God is true, that exact same measure must be applied by Him to your life.

Next, you were the one above that invited me to seek out another blog and I was just encouraging you to do more than talk about it, as talk is cheap. If you want to squash opposing thoughts and questions about how we act in certain situations and of course any language that offends you, you should be proactive to save yourself the pain of reading what you hate.

Liberals do think conservatives are mean spirited, judgmental and tyrannical because people on the very far right, like you appear to be wholly intolerant of any opposing views and even in this case, any serious questions asked about how we react to cases of celebrity death. While I despise everything about him, I was very much alive and recall how Ted "I kill my dates" Kennedy in eulogizing Robert, encouraged RFK worshippers not to elevate him in death as being any greater than he was in life, his being just a flawed man. So, I question the degree of deification that goes on after someone dies that normally we oppose in life.

Oh, I have never preached any Christian message at SA, not once. I respond to questions or points made by others with the best explanation of my beliefs on the matter I can muster. What most here hate is any positive mention of faith or Christ, it and He are offensive to most liberals and conservatives today.

Lastly, after your judging me to be a false Christian, a purveyor of hate and anger, please spare me the false tones of concern about my state of happiness or lack thereof, it is hypocritical and false IMO.

Puzzlefeet

Neiman, of course you would reject my characterization. Duh, it is my opinion so it doesn't matter if you reject it or not.

You didn't catch me calling you anything. I freely wrote that you are a faux christian, not much to catch there. Wasn't trying to hide what I wrote, both times.

Boy if talk is cheap you've been doing the cheapest talking here for quite some time. Oh, and you are the only one who reacted to Mr. Russert's death in the manner you did, so for you to take on the mantle of all conservatives in regard to his death is just a tad bit disingenuous.

But you keep playing the faux christian martyr. It is what you do best.

Neiman

But you keep playing the faux christian martyr. It is what you do best.

More unbiblical judging here by you? It must be tough playing god all the time! Remember, He will judge you with the same measure you use to judge me! Don't say I didn't warn you! You are caught by your own false judgment of another human being, assuming spiritual superiority over me and the power of deity in the process.

You didn't catch me calling you anything

I caught you engaging over and over in unChristian judging of my spiritual state by calling me a false Christian. But, you just cannot admit you are wrong to do this can you?

It is you that are digging yourself deeper and deper into a hole.

You are the only one who reacted to Mr. Russert's death in the manner you did, so for you to take on the mantle of all conservatives in regard to his death is just a tad bit disingenuous

I did not ever, in the smallest way take on the mantle of all conservatives or any conservatives for that matter, I only showed you why liberals hate and fear you conservatives because of your extreme intolerance of others and your tyrannical desire to control the thought os others.

Puzzlefeet

Neiman wrote:

Liberals do think conservatives are mean spirited, judgmental and tyrannical because people on the very far right, like you appear to be wholly intolerant of any opposing views and even in this case, any serious questions asked about how we (emphasis mine) react to cases of celebrity death.

Hmm… seems to me your use of the word "we" clearly was you speaking on behalf of all conservatives, hence the use of the word "we." I'm just sayin….

Puzzlefeet

Awww, gees, ZsaZsa, I didn't use my faith at all in responding to Neiman. You might want to go back reread the entire thread before you comment again.

That you are sick and tired of "commie socialist way of life" when the President is a republican and the repubicans have been in charge of congress until 2006 doesn't say much.

The thread, my friend, Zsa Zsa, was about the death of Tim Russert.

"our way of life", has included social security and medicare, as our way of life, those programs you consider to be commie and socialist. The vast majority of Americans support these programs and want these programs. Is anyone in your family receiving any benefits from these programs?

And again for the record, I did not bring my religion into the thread. Neiman and you are the experts at that.

Neiman

Puzzled:

Hmm… seems to me your use of the word "we" clearly was you speaking on behalf of all conservatives, hence the use of the word "we." I'm just sayin….

Okay, I didn't catch that "we" word I used and even though I didn't intend to make it as if I am speaking for conservatives, it does appear that I was.

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Puzzle, I thought you had professed your "faith" on this blog? Forgive me, BUT I am almost certain you made a comment about your Catholic upbringing. You freely attack Neiman and his religion and now you are attacking me! This is or was supposed to be about Tim Russert. NOT Neiman and your accusations of his "Faux" Christianity.

Puzzlefeet

ZsaZsa, I did not "profess" my faith. On another thread a while back I did describe my Catholic background. That is hardly professing my faith.

You wrote:

It is interesting how liberals will use their faith to attack conservatives.

You made a generalized statement with regard to my comments so I naturally assumed you were including me in your comments about liberals attacking conservatives.

You're right, tho, it was supposed to be a thread about Tim Russert. Neiman took it out of that realm and I responded, just like you did.

You started railing about how you are so angry that your way of life is being "infiltrated" by the so-called "commie socialists". And that's not an attack…I'm just sayin….

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As far as Social "Security" (More like social insecurity!) Yes they are Socialist programs that the American people are FORCED to pay into. Our hard earned dollars are being confiscated by force with the knowledge that this Socialist Retirement program is most likely NOT going to pay out. So could this possibly mean that the "Vast majority" Of Americans are being fooled by BIG GOV? Hmmm… Perhaps, Tim Russert would appreciate the fact that this thread has been hijacked because of his fondness of political junkies?

Puzzlefeet

Zsa Zsa, what about people that become disabled through no fault of their own or become so incapacitated that we taxpayers need to take care of them. Is that a worthwhile use of Social Security,so that families aren't bankrupted caring for a loved one who has become incapacitated. I don't know but for me I'm just ok with that.

I just love it when conservatives think the public is too stupid to know what they want and what they will support or that we are fools. Is that what you are telling me?

Quite frankly, Zsa Zsa, I think Tim Russert would be bemused that we are talking politics on this thread. Good point.

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It is one thing to help the truly needy. Quite another to encourage generations of families of able bodied and able minded people to become dependent on BIG GOVT. programs. The hard working US tax payers deserve better treatment than to have Politicians cram this kind of trash down our throats, while picking our pockets! I am all FOR helping people in need.

Neiman

Puzzled: Under a Reader Blog, you'll discover that your man in Havana Chris Matthews, a card carrying socialist-liberal, used Russert's death to attack Bush, are you going to be fair now and complain directly to Chrissy about his/her indecent comments? Hmmm?

The Welfare State is racist and it is no more or no less than a Liberal Plantation State, wherein people are relieved of any personal responsibilty for their own lives. People get into trouble and having failed to maintain healthy extended family relationships to help them get back on their feet, they through Liberal Legislators are allowed to put their hands in the pockets of hard working Americans to finance their own irresponsibility. By any other name it is theft!

Barak 'I never saw a white person I didn't hate' Obama is openly promoting a massive income redistribution during his presidency, financially penalyzing hard working people in favor of enriching mostly lazy people that have learned government is their sugar daddy, they know that they can sit on their butts and suck on the federal tit forever.

Lastly, if you have no religious faith, no wonder you feel free to judge others!

Puzzlefeet

Social security is not encouraging generations of families to become dependent on big government. These are workers who have actually worked all their lives and are having a secure retirement. In order to get Social Security, you have to have worked.

Again, you obviously can't understand that the vast majority of Americans support Medicare and Social Security. They want it. I would bet any amount of money if you put it on the ballot it would overwhelmingly pass.

Politicians are not "cramming" it down our throats. If that were the case then it should be easy to get it changed. Your party has been in charge since 2001 and wasn't able to get it changed because the public supports these programs.

These "hardworking taxpayers" support these two securty programs. Your problem is no one is buying what claptrap you are trying to sell. I'm just sayin…

2Hotel9

Tim Russert would love this thread discussing politics.

Puzzlefeet

Oh, is that you over on the reader blog citing to the reader blog that you posted. Did you even listen to the comment, it certainly sounded like Russert was supporting the nuclear reason for war according to Matthews. You should love what Russert told Matthews.

wow,I see you got all your whacks in on one post. You've been saving up all day haven't you?

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Social security is not encouraging generations of families to become dependent on big government. These are workers who have actually worked all their lives and are having a secure retirement.

At the expense of the people who are still working.

If those workers had put the money they were taxed to keep Social Security afloat into invested retirement accounts they'd be a lot better off. But they can't be allowed to do that, I guess.

Since this isn't a free society or anything like that, right Puzzled?

Puzzlefeet

The vast majority of Americans want these programs, plain and simple. The problem is your party has been in charge for the last 8 years (save 2) and you didn't get the job done. Bush had 6 years with a republican congress. The republicans spent and spent and spent….I'm just sayin…..

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The vast majority of Americans want these programs, plain and simple.

At one time vast majority of the world's population thought the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around it.

Now I'd certainly like to see some proof that the majority of Americans like paying for the government to seize parts of their paycheck, hold it for decades, and then give it back to them when they could be investing that money with decent rates of return. But even if you're right and the majority of Americans do want social security(and, again, I don't think you are) that still doesn't mean the program is a good thing.

The problem is your party has been in charge for the last 8 years (save 2) and you didn't get the job done. Bush had 6 years with a republican congress. The republicans spent and spent and spent….I'm just sayin…..

I won't argue about Republican spending, but how are Democrats any different? What spending did the Democrats talk about cutting?

This is hardly a defense of Republican abandonment of fiscal principle, but at least the GOP can be counted on to spend less than Democrats.

Neiman

Puzzled;
I spoke about the deification of people like Russert, which you found ludicrous. Well, at his funeral just after someone sang "Over the Rainbow," a real rainbow appeared over the city and people said it was proof that Russert was looking down from Heaven. Sounds like people are deifying him to me, but I'm just saying . . . . you were wrong!

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