Three Economic Charts That Could Keep Obama From Being Re-Elected

Barack Obama

Jim Pethokoukis has three economic charts he feels could derail President Obama’s re-election hopes. They’re all pretty ugly, but of the three I think this one is the most devastating:

How can anyone claim economic recovery when labor force participation looks like that?

President Obama can, and no doubt will, continue to blame the recession on President Bush and Republicans. But he’s had three years to turn things around. Where’s the recovery?

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • ellinas1

    Rob Port: “Where’s the recovery?”

    In Iraq and Afghanistan, paying for the unfunded Wars of the Bush era.

    • syantiss

      It’s so tiring E. BoBo’s plan of spending 3/4 of a trillion to recover the economy had ZERO to do with Iraq or Afghanistan.

      BTW, I do hope you’ve closed out any accounts you might have had in Greek banks… Sold off any Greek bonds… Had your family do the same.

      • mikemc1970

        Monetary investments are for the limousine liberal set. The only investments the rank and file have are in progressive politicians that continue to let them live off the sweat of others.

        • syantiss

          That may be true here in the US, but take Japan, for instance… They have HUGE public debt that is mostly financed by the Japanese people buying bonds. This is much the same in many Euro countries.

          • mikemc1970

            How many of the Japanese would want to retire at 50? The Japanese have a much different culture than the Greeks. I have trouble believing that a people so willing to dodge a tax on something as simple as a backyard swimming pool, would be willing to voluntarily pay for bonds to fund their nations debt.

      • ellinas1

        No money in banks, Seth.
        I co-own (with my brothers and parents) agricultural land, an almond orchard and an organic egg farm.
        The image is that of the family home somewhere in Greece.

        • syantiss

          Cool. I hope it’s paid for!!!

          • ellinas1

            It was paid for since the first stone/brick was laid.
            My parents do not believe in borrowing. 

          • Bat One

            Pity more Greeks – not to mention successive Greek governments – don’t share that same ethic.  It appears that Greece is about to borrow itself out of the Euro-Zone and into international bankruptcy.

          • Onslaught1066

             More’s the pity that the olive fell far from that particular tree.

          • ellinas1

            Greece will do what is Good for Greece, and the Greeks will do what is good for the Greeks.

          • Onslaught1066

             Greeks will “do” 12 year old boys.

          • sbark

            ohhh you mean like the Run on the banks yesterday?

          • ellinas1

            That is exactly what I mean.

          • Bat One

            (T)he Greeks will do what is good for the Greeks.

            No. If they were going to do what is good for them, they wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with.  The ECB has already cut off several major Greek banks whose capital levels have plunged to the point of near failure.  Meanwhile Merkel has lost two key parliamentary elections in the past month as German voters, who are ultimately paying the bill for Greek lethargy and incompetence are starting to voice their objection.  Greece has made no substantive effort at reform, and without more loans which they cannot repay the government, when there actually is one, can’t pay its bills.  Greece is toast.

          • ellinas1

            I said, and repeat myself for those that have difficulty understanding:
            Greece will do what is Good for Greece, and the Greeks will do what is good for the Greeks.

            Allow me to decipher  the above for you: What is good for Greece is not good for the Greeks, and what is good for the Greeks is not good for Greece.
            To sum it up for you. Neither Greece nor the Greeks are toast.
            The only thing that may be toast are the lenders. 

          • Bat One

            Predictably, short-sighted.  Greece and the Greek people have already gone back on their word and stiffed their lenders.  No one expects anything else from them.

            Greece and the Greek people can’t support themselves.  They are too indolent and lethargic and too accustomed to living beyond their means with others paying the bill.  Fact is, Greece has never lived up to the terms of the EuroZone Treaty.  So the question is, where’s the money going to come from once they’ve run out of lenders?

          • ellinas1


             No one expects anything else from them.”

            No self respecting Greek gives a rats ass what others expect from .them, especially you.
            Be prepared though to pay a price to save Greece. 

          • Bat One

            Self respecting Greeks???? Now there’s misnomer!  You some kinda funny!

          • Econwarrior

            The best outcome for the greeks would be to get sold to Disney and turned into a theme park, employing all the lazy greeks as minimum wage workers.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          “Logic” was part of Greek history. What
          happened to you? Were you a fetal alcohol baby perhaps?

          • ellinas1

            Mickey, getting personal again?
            Well, that’s alright.
            I understand your feelings of inferiority. You have to put others down so you can float on top like a ultra light turd floats on top of the shit pile in the sewer plant.

          • Onslaught1066

             Greece, the shit pile in the EU.

            How apropos.

          • mickey_moussaoui

            inferiority? to you!?!?! hahahahaha

            silly greek. your greek culture is going down fasrter than you on a 10 yr old boy

          • ellinas1

            Don’t act surprised mickey. Yes, you are inferior, and yes
             inferiority because you have to put others down so you can float on top like a ultra light turd floats on top of the shit pile in the sewer plant.
            You live Greece every day here in America, because surely we Americans did not get our culture from the Mongols and the Tatars. 
            Even the way you think is Greek.
            Hell earlier you even used a Greek word: “logic” which is something you sorely lack.

          • Onslaught1066

             Thought you were Macedonian-Dorian, and damn proud of it.

            Another greek word, pederast, which you use to leave your 12 year old boy sore.

            BTW We and Americans are mutually exclusive where you are concerned.

      • ellinas1

        Well the bills for the war have to be paid, the giveaways to the banksters and Wall St banksters have to come from somewhere.
        Money does not grow on American trees anymore. It grows on Chinese trees but we have to pay for the upkeep of the Chinese money trees.
        You know, the usual expenses: interest on the capital and interest on the interest.

        • syantiss

          Total expended on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are small when compared to the social spending doing nothing to increase fiscal solvency. Precisely the opposite, actually.

          • ellinas1

            When you don’t have the funds, and have to borrow to pay for it  it adds up.
            Don’t forget the cornerstone of the Bush achievement: Tax cuts without corresponding cuts in government spending and or funding sources to pay for the cuts.
            And his other achievement: The unfunded drug benefit program. 

          • Econwarrior

            You lie, in that the marginal tax rate reductions by President Bush increased revenues to the Treasury.  You don’t have to “pay for” tax rate reductions, as they pay for themselves in economic growth.
            The Bush drug benefit program was such a “failure” that obama looted it for half a TRILLION dollars to make his nationalized healthcare takeover look good.
            As usual, you know nothing, and post nothing but lies.

          • jackstan84

            This is not true tax revenues decreased until 2005. But if you really understand tax revenues you would understand that because of inflation and population increases tax revenues as a general trend are constantly going up. In reality when Bush became president the gov’t collected. 2.1 trillion in taxes in his last year revenues were 2.2 trillion dollars, and with the same tax code in place revenues fell all the way to 1.8 trillion dollars in 2009.

            Oh yeah and the Medicare benefit the program that originally you said was bad when it was a democrat idea, then it was good when Bush a Republican signed it into law, then it became bad again when a Democrat changed the program.

          • sbark

            Bing or google is easy to use……
            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/3/bush-tax-cuts-boosted-federal-revenue/
             From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years.

            ………and that was when the dollar still actually had some value…..not the inflated out carcass Obama has left us.

          • daniel412

            http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/supply-side_spin.html. And now the rest of the story. And also put into context that historic rise was after a historic fall in revenues. Also the number of the increase in percentage those years you are speaking of was 18.3 percent where historically over the past century revenues have increased by 18.5 percent. The amount of dollars means something different when you put it into context with GDP and inflation. Also you must think about what was happening to drive the growth in the economy during this time period.

          • sbark

            Your historic “falls” were from Clinton’s recession and 9-11 event……..

            FactCheck org……you might as well ask Huff Po or Media Matters for similar biased opinon.

          • jackstan84

            And your historic booms (which were not booms when put into real GDP and percentages) were from the Mortgage Backed Security era (when it was turning into a casino anyway-Bat One yes we know they have been around for quite awhile), and the era of massive deficit financing for the Iraq war. And if you want to say biased your news story came from the Conservative Washington Times. Fact Check is an organization run by the Annenberg Foundation an organization founded by Conservative philanthropist Walter Annenberg, a lifetime Republican voter and as a matter of fact the person who first introduced Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. Following his death in 2002 it was run by his wife until her death in 2009 and it is still in their family.

          • Econwarrior

            WWII was financed by debt, as high as 130% of GDP in 1944; are you saying we shouldn’t have fought WWII?
            The mortgage backed security bubble was created by the Dem affirmative action home loan mandates authorized by the CRA, started under Carter and enlarged under Clinton.  President Bush tried to roll it back in 2005, but was blocked by Congressional Dems.

          • jackstan84

            EconWarrior: Arrogant Ignorance: I did not say anything on this thread about WWII. And second it would not matter for this argument who produced the bubble it would just matter who benefited from the bubble, you fool, do you think Silent Cal didn’t benefit during his time as president from the bubble in the stock market in the 20s.

          • Bat One

            Mortgage backed security era? When exactly was that?.  Fannie has been issuing MBSs since its founding in 1934.

          • Econwarrior

            The fact that the historic rise from the Bush tax rate cuts followed an historic fall in revenues is actually an even stronger tribute to the power of tax rate cuts to produce prosperity.

          • jackstan84

            Not really in 2001 was his major tax cut plan in 2003 it was more or less revised. And like I said revenues historically increase because of inflation and growth in population.

          • Econwarrior

            More lying and denying from you.  President Bush turned the Clinton recession and the Clinton-enabled 9/11 attack into real growth with sound economic policies, including tax rate reductions to leave more capital in private hands, where it produces real prosperity.

          • jackstan84

            EconWarrior: Coming from a guy who compains about how everything is blaimed on Bush. And how is spending spending spending and not funding it sound growth. Remmeber that is the policies that Keynesians say you should do fiscally during a recession, but why would you do it when the econmy is supposed to be sound.

          • Bat One

            Wrong!The “major” tax rate cuts were in 2003, and included business, capitalgains, and dividend rate cuts, revenues from which were substantially higher after the cuts then they would have been before hand.  Same as the 1996 cap gains and dividend rate cuts Clintonwas forced to sign.

          • Econwarrior

            It was revised by the greedy Dems, and thus made less effective than it would have been without their meddling.

          • Econwarrior

            “Oh yeah and the Medicare benefit the program that originally you said
            was bad when it was a democrat idea, then it was good when Bush a
            Republican signed it into law…”

            Your dependence on lying about what I said reveals the poverty of your ideas.  I said no such thing.  What I actually said was that the Bush program you liberals always quack about is actually the only part of Medicare that  approaches fiscal responsibility; it’s the best of a bad lot.
            Stop lying.

          • jackstan84

            How was it fiscally responsible of him?

          • Econwarrior

            I repeat that obama was able to loot it for HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS, because it was self-supporting.
            You seem to know nothing besides your predigested talking points.

          • jackstan84

            What does this have to do with bush signing the Medicare prescription benefit into law?

          • jackstan84

            http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=692 Here is a good article on tax cuts during the Bush years, and the economic growth in the second half of his presidency.

          • syantiss

            Laffer curve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIqyCpCPrvU

            Bush did amazing damage by reaching across the aisle to support another democrat initiative. He didn’t learn anything from his father.

          • ellinas1

            Bush did amazing damage by being Bush and he did what republicans do. Sing one tune and dance another.

          • Guest

             How ’bout that obama…another 370,000 people filed for unemployment last week.

          • ellinas1

            And many more will file for unemployment  in the near future.
            Reagan’s “starve the beast” motto has come home to roost.
            The republicans have spent this country’s resources, and what was left they sent to China.

          • Guest

             NEWS FLASH: Reagan isn’t the President and neither is Bush. This shitty economy is all obama and he won’t stop until the country has caught up to Greece. That should make you feel right at home in a shit hole.

          • ellinas1

            News flash! Reagan and Bush may not be presidents but they followed the “starve the beast” motto.
            Also countless republican legislators that aided the in plundering the treasury.
             This shitty economy is all American made and he won’t stop until the country has caught up to Greece. That will not make me  feel right at home in a shit hole called the USA.. 

          • Econwarrior

            You continue to lie, little ellie: “starve the beast” referred to failed govt programs, which suck up tax revenue and produce nothing.  It should be starved.

          • jackstan84

            Of course starve the beast failed, spending has never been cut back on by any president.

          • syantiss

            The thing that confuses me about you is this: You see clearly that the policies you advocate are put in place in you homeland and have resulted in what is soon going to be very bad to the people of Greece (and I don’t think you have thought through how this will be bad for the Greeks if you only think the problem will effect the creditors), with rolling blackouts, unmaintained roads, mass unemployment, limited public works, loss of life savings, etc… but you still advocate for those same policies here.
            Government care from cradle to grave is not possible over the long term for a host of reasons, not the smallest of which is that it is Human nature to expect that the status quo will continue.

            The cyclical size of the population in generations is one of our biggest problems with the current social programs, but you want to add costs to that…

            I don’t want to live in Greece or Canada, or GER, FRA, etc… I want my country back. I want the one place on Earth where individuals took care of themselves and then their family. I want the Government out of everything but what is written in the Constitution… We’d still be a solvent nation had we followed the teachings of Jefferson. But no… we had to listen to the lefties and implement all these social programs to give things to people for “free”. Dammit!!

          • Hal

             Starve the beast??? How many millions of jobs were created under Reagan?

          • ellinas1

            You measure the economy by jobs, I measure the economy by budget deficits and national debt both of which skyrocketed under Reagan.

          • Econwarrior

            Any economy is judged by the amount of prosperity it produces, so obama’s economy is at the bottom of the barrel.
            Again, your hypocrisy in criticizing the policies of successful economies, while praising a failed economy, is obvious.

          • Econwarrior

            National defense is a Constitutional reason for the govt to spend our money; failed social programs are not a reason for the govt to spend out money.  Big difference.

          • syantiss

            What is this document of which you speak?? Are you referring to the soft 2-ply used in Washington as AWM?

        • Econwarrior

          There were no “giveaways” other than the ones obama gave to his unionist cronies at our expense.

    • Onslaught1066

       You should also look into retiring your 12 year old sperm bank.  :- D

    • Econwarrior

      So, spending trillions on his unionist cronies and on wasteful govt programs is good, but spending money to kill the terrorists who want to destroy us is bad?  In what universe?

      • NDSuperman

        Exactly.  Why is it that only the wars were unfunded?  Is that to say everything else was funded?

        • Econwarrior

          I defy any liberal babbler to find an instance of a funded war.  It’s not like we have a national savings account for future wars.  When our economy was smaller, we had to ration civilians and control private spending to fund the war effort, but even with that, we spent 130% of GDP during 1944 in our effort to defeat Hitler and Imperial Japan.  The ruse of calling a war “unfunded” is just more propaganda from the left wing antiwar pukes, designed to weaken America.

          • Bat One

            Liberals who are enamored of that dishonest “unfunded war” cliche conveniently overlook the fact that every penny spent in Iraq and Afghanistan was voted on by Congress, including the Democrats who controlled the House for the past two years of the Bush presidency and the first two years of Obama’s term in office, and still control the budget-less US Senate. 

          • $8194357

            They must of been for it before they were against it.

          • $8194357

            (propaganda from the left, designed to weaken America.)

            Marxist critical therory “political correct” attack of Equal under the Rule of Law Constitution…….

            Collaborators to treasonous ideolgies and Americas enemies….. 

            It is what it is…
            Not what ever they choose to call it at the moment..

            POLITICAL CORRECTNESS “IS” CULTURAL TERRORISM

            Groups decry bogus “Asian” label: It’s the sharia, stupid

            It certainly took long enough, but Asian groups are finally speaking up and out against the smears, libels, and defamation made against them by sharia-compliant media and timid government officials.

            I have, for years, called out the media and political elites’ use of any and every label to avoid the 800 lb. jihadi in the room. In the UK, Asian is the euphemism for Muslim. In France it’s “youth” or “immigrant youth” (despite being second or third generation); in Denmark it’s “immigrant.” In the US, the enemedia identifies jihadists and terrorists by nationality (as if that were relevant). Nationality is as relevant as the color of the underwear bomber’s drawers.

            The silence of the media lambs is adherence to the blasphemy laws under the sharia: do not insult or criticize Islam.

            The scores of men in these child sex trafficking gangs were Muslim; the teens and tweens sexually trafficked were non-Muslim. It is not about race or “white girls.” What color were the Hindu girls or Sikh girls that were preyed upon? Islam is not a race, it’s an ideology. Identifying the men as “Asian” (an insult to actual Asian people) or Pakistani (no Pakistani Christian, Hindi or Sikh men were involved) is continuing the cover-up of the Islamic practice of subjugation, oppression and persecution of non-Muslims under the sharia that sanctions such behavior.

            Complaints over use of ‘Asian’ label in grooming cases BBC (of all places) May 16, 2012 (thanks to many Atlas readers)
            Groups representing Sikh and Hindu communities have complained about the term “Asian” being used to describe the men involved in grooming trials.

            Earlier this month, nine men were jailed for being part of a sex ring in Rochdale which groomed girls for sex.

            The groups said the men involved were “almost always of Pakistani origin” and the term “Asian” was inaccurate. The Ramadan Foundation has said grooming is “a significant problem for the British Pakistani community”.

            The joint statement was released by the Network of Sikh Organisations UK, The Hindu Forum of Britain, and The Sikh Media Monitoring Group UK.

            It says the reluctance of the media and the government to discuss the “disproportionate representation of Muslims in such cases” and the fact victims are “almost always non-Muslim girls” is adding to the cause of far-right groups such as the BNP.

            Adding to the cause of the BNP? Are they serious? The facts are the facts.

            It said blanket use of the word “Asian” was “unfair to other communities of Asian origin”.

            “We believe that in this case the government itself is sanctioning the use of term Asian as a way of clouding responsibility,” the groups say.
            Stifled debate
            The groups say sex gangs have targeted Hindu and Sikh girls but the cases are rarely reported as they seldom reach the courts.

            The statement says: “We believe that political correctness stifles debate and will not facilitate a frank and mature discussion or solutions to get to the root of why the above pattern is emerging in these crimes and how to help find a solution to the problem.

            “We will not be able to do that if we mask the identity of those involved based on misguided views of ‘protecting a vulnerable community’ of the perpetrators and not looking at the vulnerable community of victims.”

            Last Week Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of The Ramadhan Foundation, said: “There is an over-representation [of Asian men] amongst recent convictions in the crime of on-street grooming [and] there should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals,” he said.

            He said community elders were “burying their heads” over the issue and police and local councils should not “be frightened” to address the problem, as there was “a strong lesson that you cannot ignore race or be over-sensitive”.

            On Monday, the chair of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, Trevor Phillips, said the race of the men involved could not be ignored and it was “fatuous” to deny racial and cultural factors.

    • Awfulorv

      If truth be told we’re still paying for the Berlin Airlift…

      • ellinas1

        And maybe even the Civil War……..

        • Econwarrior

          Due to the Democrat slavers.

      • jackstan84

        Are you trying saying that we should not have done the Berlin Airlift?

        • $8194357

          You sure can’t comprehend what ya read can you…

          (Are you trying saying that we )

        • $8194357

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

          Quote:

          , treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution, the only crime so defined. Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows:

          Treason against the United States,

          “shall consist only in levying War against them,”

          (Alinsky’s “marxist social justice warfare” from the
          Frankfort Schools “Mission Statement” )7.62

          or in adhering to their Enemies,

          (giving them Aid and Comfort.)

          No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
          However, Congress has, at times, passed statutes creating related offenses that punish conduct which undermines the government or the national security, such as sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sedition in the 1917 Espionage Act, which do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason. For example, some well-known spies have been convicted of espionage rather than treason.
          The Constitution does not itself create the offense; it only restricts the definition (the first paragraph), permits Congress to create the offense, and restricts any punishment for treason to only the convicted (the second paragraph). The crime is prohibited by legislation passed by Congress.

          Therefore the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381

          states “whoever”, owing allegiance to the United States,

          ” levies war against them”

          (Alinsky’s “marxist social justice warfare” from the
          Frankfort Schools “Mission Statement” )7.62

          (or adheres to their enemies, )

          (giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,)

          (is guilty of treason)

          and shall suffer death,

          or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”
          The requirement of testimony of two witnesses was inherited from the British Treason Act 1695.

          Definition

          col·lab·o·ra·tion
          [ kə làbbə ráysh'n ]

          col·lab·o·ra·tions Plural

          NOUN

          1. a working together:
          the act of working together with one or more people in order to achieve something

          2. a working with enemy:
          the betrayal of others by working with an enemy, especially an occupying force

          col·lab·o·ra·tion·ism NOUN

          col·lab·o·ra·tion·ist NOUN, ADJECTIVE

          Thesaurus

          NOUN

          Synonyms:
          cooperation,
          teamwork,
          partnership,
          association,
          alliance,
          relationship

          End quote

          Assisting in the intentional destruction of our Constitution
          while giving moral support and comfort to those who’s mission statements are to destroy us as a nation….

          Ideogies of treasonous collaborators followed by the Democratic left.

          Reading comprehension skills..

          NOT:

          So what you are saying then is……leftist spin, ect..ect..ect..
          treasonous collaboration against your soviegn nation and its Rule of Law…..

          • daniel412

            You truly are an idiot a big purpose behind the Berlin airlift and the Marshall plan was for one to help Europe rebuild for economic purposes and trade but probably the bigger purpose was ou policy of containment and restricting these nations from allying themselves with communists. If we helped them better than the communists they were less likely to become communists themselves. And again most of your posting was unrelated psycho babble and in the midst of all that you fail to see one of the main purposes of this was to fight against the communists. This is far far from helping them.

          • Econwarrior

            Right about the Marshall Plan, wrong about the Berlin airlift.  In fact, Berlin, even though it was divided up between the Allies, was deep in the Soviet sector.  As General MacArthur predicted, the Soviets went on a power trip and closed all highway access to Berlin.  We flew over their blockade to supply our people with what they needed, and it has become known as the Berlin airlift.  FDR cut a deal with Stalin, believing that he was a good guy, and Stalin stabbed us all in the back.
            BTW, the Marshall Plan was not to fight communism, as FDR regarded them as allies; it was to restore Western Europe after the war.

          • jackstan84

            Yes Berlin was in the Soviet part of Germany. Do you think if relations were good between the USSR and USA they would have blocked our aid to Berlin? The U.S.S.R. was an ally during WWII, but there were already tension mounting between us during the war. We never philosophically were friends with them. In your answer you fail to recognize time lines, at the time of the Berlin Airlift, WWII was over, FDR was dead, and Harry Truman was president. Also the Cold War was already under way in 1946 Winston Churchill had already given his Iron Curtain Speech and the Berlin Airlift was not until 1948. There is no question that we wanted to make allies out of Germany and other Western Powers/help them recover to prevent them from becoming Communistic. Your answer is another example of your revisionist history that attempts to change history to make it fit your conspiracy theories.

          • Econwarrior

            Wrong again.  The Dems were still in love with Stalin until the anti-communism of the Fifties, when the Dems smeared McCarthy for telling the truth about Soviet penetration of our govt.  The Berlin airlift happened the way I told you, for those reasons.  Truman continued FDR’s policies.  Truman also fired MacArthur for telling the truth about the Soviet threat.
            It is you who are lying about history.
            The Cold War was NOT “underway in 1946″, so you lie about that.
            The German occupation after WWII illustrated the superiority of our system over the communist system.

          • jackstan84

            more revisionist conspiracy theory history

          • $8194357

            No stupid..
            .
            Factual history without UNESCO revisionist spin applied…

            Get a clue sometime shark bait…

          • Econwarrior

            No revision, no conspiracy and no theory; you continue to lie.

          • jackstan84

            Just telling you what every mainstream historian says, and putting everything into historical timelines.

          • Econwarrior

            No, you’re repeating left wing propaganda.  I was alive at the time, and remember it well.

          • $8194357

            (Wrong again. The Dems were still in love with Stalin until the anti-communism of the Fifties, when the Dems smeared McCarthy for telling the truth about Soviet penetration of our govt)

            10X warrior…
            Dems been “useful idiot Stalinist apoligists” since before FDR..

          • jackstan84

            McCarthy was brought up on censure charges by a Republican, the Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower could not stand him and he was censured by an overwhelming 67-22 vote.

          • Econwarrior

            And that persecution was later proven by the Venona documents to be wrong.  McCarthy was right.

          • $8194357

            He knows…
            He is just a treasonous traitor.

          • jackstan84

            This is what fringe republican pundits like Glenn beck and Anne Coulter say not mainstream historians and the historians who actually studied the Verona documents.

          • $8194357

            (FDR cut a deal with Stalin, believing that he was a good guy, and Stalin stabbed us all in the back.)

            FDR and Uncle Joe were buds for sure..

            Red shirt socialism was good in FDR’s eyes
            while Brown shirt socialism was demonized with the full cooperation of FDR’s administration…

            Stalin played him like a fiddle…

            Just as the “Democratic Progressive Caucuse”
            plays Americans today with the same suger coated socialism that leads to fascism..

          • jackstan84

            They were allies not friends.

            Stalin may have played him in some ways and fooled him into exactly to as how much of dictator he was and you can criticize FDR for not being more firm with him, but to say that they were friend and worked together for policy is ridiculous, and it is another failed attempt to try bring the conversation back to nutter land where America is in a Communist Conspiracy with the Soviet Union.

          • Econwarrior

            FDR sold out to the commies, even though MacArthur warned him, and he fired MacArthur for telling the truth.
            No one but you babbles about conspiracies.  The communist agenda has been a matter of public record since the Twenties.

          • $8194357

            And Islam since 800 AD..

          • $8194357

            You live in nutter land shark bait…Youve bought into every leftist cause and agenda hook line and sinker…

          • $8194357

            Arizona official to Hawaii: Show birth verification
            Posted on May 17, 2012 by Conservative Byte
            A state official in Arizona has asked Hawaii for verification of the information on Barack Obama’s birth certificate, the document that Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s special investigative team has concluded may be a forgery.Members of the Surprise, Ariz., Tea Party, who petitioned Arpaio to investigate Obama’s eligibility, say they are awaiting word from the state secretary of state regarding whether Obama’s name will be on the 2012 presidential ballot in Arizona.Secretary of State Ken Bennett had promised to ask Hawaii officials for verification of Obama’s documentation, vowing that if answers are not forthcoming, Obama’s name will not be on the ballot.

          • jackstan84

            totally unrelated to anything being discussed

          • Bat One

            Much like your poorly worded attempt at a history lesson is totally unrelated to the subject of this thread which is the failure of Obama’s economic policies.

          • jackstan84

            I was led there by the nutters and just telling what happened.

          • $8194357

            Just how corrupt the system has become..
            but you already knew that.

          • $8194357

            Truth is “totally” unrelated to “anything” you leftists espouse, shark bait…

            Yeah…why would we want any “truth” in the answers leftists give us anyway….Alinsky showed em “truth’ is a “nessacary casulaty”

            of marxist social justice war fare…

            check this totally unrealated little nugget out shark bait…

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-G

            Quote:

            ***Breitbart News has obtained a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama’s then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”

            The booklet, which was distributed to “business colleagues” in the publishing industry, includes a brief biography of Obama among the biographies of eighty-nine other authors represented by Acton & Dystel.

            It also promotes Obama’s anticipated first book,

            Journeys in Black and White–

            which Obama abandoned,

            later publishing Dreams from My Father instead.

            Obama’s biography in the booklet is as follows (image and text below):

            End quote

            Leftist nuance revealed?

            You see Barry was “for” being born in Kenya

            Before he came out “against” being born in Kenya…

            Funny how this shit works for leftists traitors huh?

          • $8194357

             ( And again most of your posting was unrelated psycho babble )

            If ya going to use my shit do it right, shark bait…

            “psycho babble B/S”..
            .Is the way I learned it to ya….

            We been “educating your sorry” “arse”
            along time huh

            hanni…..

            Sheesh couldn’t even tell the difference between
            Dr. Phil and Biblical Scripture…

            What a “poser” loser…

          • $8194357

            Communist social justice treasonous collborators to our national soveriegnty and Rule of Law western Judeo/Christian “patriarchail” rule of law society..

            Marxist critical therory “political correct” cultural terrorism applied to destroy from within….

            Just like their “mission statements” said they could and would do it…..

            Leftist asshat useful idiot collaborators to our “destruction and downfall”…

            Hope your all happy how you helped our enemies
            as you fiddle while America burns….

            Deception…
            Comes from the devil, no?

          • jackstan84

            totally unrelated to anything being discussed but tries to bring the conversation where it is always being attempted to be steered towards

          • $8194357

            Yeah…why would we want any “truth” in the answers leftists give us anyway….Alinsky showed em “truth’ is a “nessacary casulaty”
            of marxist social justice war fare…

            check this totally unrealated little nugget out shark bait…

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii

            Quote:

            ***
            Breitbart News has obtained a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama’s then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”
            The booklet, which was distributed to “business colleagues” in the publishing industry, includes a brief biography of Obama among the biographies of eighty-nine other authors represented by Acton & Dystel.

            It also promotes Obama’s anticipated first book, Journeys in Black and White–which Obama abandoned, later publishing Dreams from My Father instead.

            Obama’s biography in the booklet is as follows (image and text below):
            End quote

            Leftist nuance revealed?

            You see Barry was “for” being born in Kenya
            Before he came out “against” being born in Kenya…

            Funny how this shit works for leftists traitors huh?

          • $8194357

            Yeah…Leftist “truth” is all relative to “outcome”…By any means nessacary,

            Barry mentor Saul Alinsky
            Lucifer…
            The father of all lies….

            Totally “unrelated” even tho Saul dedicated his
            “Rules for Radicles” to him…

            first born radicle and all..

            Did I mention Barry studied and taught
            Sauls Rules for Radicals to ACORN?

            Back when “HE” still claimed “HE” was born in Kenya….

            Did I mention that, hanni, danni, bobbi self deluded one?

        • $8194357

          http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2012/05/17/outrageous-obamas-illegal-alien-uncle-gets-drivers-license/?subscriber=1

          Quote:

          Society is completely bonkers. We have laws regarding how to enter this country, yet they are ignored. People who violate the law should face consequences, but more often than not, we see efforts being made to reward illegal behavior. This one takes the cake: Barack Obama’s illegal alien uncle has now been granted a driver’s license in Massachusetts.
          The Boston Herald is reporting something that seems impossible to believe. Barack Obama’s uncle, Onyango Obama, who has faced deportation orders for 20 years, can now drive wherever he wants to go, and he can do it legally.

          “It defies common sense. I can’t comprehend how the president’s uncle can have his license reinstated while we’re all quite aware of … his immigration status,” said Worcester County Sheriff Lewis Evangelidis,

          End quote

          The marxist cultural war on America has bore much fruit on our Constitutional Rule of Law society…

          Social justice deconstruction of Equal Rule of Law and the ACLU have been the “termites” to weaken and create “protected class” status soviet satelites that have given this “culture war” they declared on us more power than the Constitution ever intended the “central planners” to have….

          Stealth and deceptive false moral high ground to accomplish the agendas of Americas enemies..

          Communist agendas achieved and Jihadis following the tried and true path…

          • $8194357

            Yeah…

            Leftist “truth” is all relative to “outcome”…

            By any means nessacary,
             
            Barry mentor Saul Alinsky

            Lucifer…The father of all lies….

            Totally “unrelated”

            even tho Saul dedicated his
            “Rules for Radicles” to him…

            first born radicle and all..

            Did I mention Barry studied and taught
            Sauls Rules for Radicals to ACORN?

            Back when “HE” still claimed “HE” was born in Kenya….

            Did I mention that, hanni, danni, bobbi self deluded one?

          • jackstan84

            Obama is…..the……antichrist!!!!!!!!!

          • $8194357

            Like all you useful ididot international progressives….
            He definatly works for him…

            AP Declared

            Obama “Kenyan-Born”

            Posted on May 18, 2012
            by Conservative Byte

            What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services.

            (What most people don’t know)

            that is in 2004, the AP was a

            “birther” news organization.

            How so?
            Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004,
            by the Kenyan Standard Times,
            and which was,

            “as of this report, available”
            athttp://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

            The AP reporter stated the following:

            (Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama,)

            appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

            End Quote

            Chicago politics at its finest..
            Axcelrod followed suit on Cain now didn’t he

          • jackstan84

            “Like all you useful ididot international progressives….
            He definatly works for him…”

            Obama works for Satan, ok

            And you wonder why I say you are psycho

            And way a say you are a conspiracy theorist

          • $8194357

            You must not work 9 hours or cook your own dinner on Fridays huh shark bait…

            Professional blog clogger?

    • Econwarrior

      Govt spending does not cause economic growth, which is necessary for a recovery.
      Another swing and another miss.

      • jackstan84

        Did WWII help get us out of the Great Depression?

        • Econwarrior

          Not really.  If you want to play your liberal games with the word “help”, you might give that a try, but it was really the capitalization of American industry that, when switched over to consumer goods, sparked the real recovery from the FDR debacle.  This worked even after the greedy Dems failed to do any monetary or fiscal policy to moderate the postwar inflation, as they wanted to redeem the war bonds at a fraction of their face value.  Truman let the CPI double, but we were generating so much prosperity that no one noticed but the economists.

          • syantiss

            It also “helped” that the population was reduced, and that manufacturing found a new source of labor.

          • Econwarrior

            The stagnation produced by FDR’s economic policies were forcibly reversed by the need to produce enough war materiel to win WWII, along with forced rationing and forced savings, which produced a lot of capital reserves that went into action as soon as the war was over.  It is private investment that produces prosperity, and that didn’t start happening until 1946, when the FDR depression finally ended.

          • jackstan84

            http://visualizingeconomics.com/2011/03/08/long-term-real-growth-in-us-gdp-per-capita-1871-2009/

            Did GDP not start a large growth after a decade of stagnation during the Great Depression? Guess who needed a lot of our goods imported after they were decimated from WWII, and guess who needed supplies for the war before and when we began fighting in it.

          • Econwarrior

            It was actually the restoration of private capital that FDR had destroyed during his depression with his totalitarian govt policies.

          • jackstan84

            What do you think much of the private capital was being used to fund? In other words what began private spending, and what then stimulated the private sector?

          • Econwarrior

            The desire for consumer goods after the privations of WWII rationing.  Any history book would tell you this.

          • jackstan84

            You just got on your attack of FDR controlling the economy and than you praise rations. But since this was after why was there a grow in GDP leading up to our involvement in the war and while we were involved in the war?

          • Econwarrior

            Again you lie about what I said.  I didn’t “praise” rationing; I reported it as an historical fact.
            The “growth” in GDP to which you refer was only growth of govt spending; the private sector GDP shrank considerably.

          • $8194357

            They went Gualt on em for the war effort…

            Central soviet planning “NEVER” works..

            Dumb ass lemmings don’t know crap from shineola anymore…

            Marxist acadamia has accomplished the “dumbing down” of America for sure..

          • Bat One

            Question is, why did it take a decade of failed liberal policies and a world war to get the country out of what ought to have been a moderately bad recession.  

          • $8194357

            Marxist deconstructive debt ponzi financing..

          • syantiss

            Amen!

            It’s the “FED” stupid, was going to be my line, but you made it better!

    • Jfisher17

      No, it’s home, paying for the unfunded “stimulus”.

      • ellinas1

        That too.

    • Hal149

      Are we still in Iraq?  Didn’t Obama “surge” in Afghanistan?  Where did the savings from  pulling out of Iraq go?  Obama still is running $1 Trillion plus deficits.

      • Onslaught1066

         “Obama still is running $1 Trillion plus deficits”

        Mission accomplished?

        • $8194357

          Close…economic collapse the elite used to get the European economic union in place has been focused on America now with the debt/credit down grades Barry and the Dems are spinning for the Internationalist elites…

          America is now Alinsky’s target of economic collapse choice, IMO..

      • ellinas1

        Yes we are still in Iraq, and yes Obama  “surged” in Afghanistan. 
        The reputed savings are paying the civilian contractors, the Kurds, and all the Iraqis that America needs to keep peace between the ethnic groups and factions in order for the oil to flow and the oil companies to continue their business unencumbered.

    • Econwarrior

      There are no funded wars, dumbass.  Govt spending does not produce prosperity; only private investment(putting private capital at risk to make a profit) can produce wealth and economic growth.

      • ellinas1
        • Econwarrior

          Name a funded war, little ellie.  Hint: it wasn’t WWII.  As previously reported, Truman allowed the CPI to double from ’47-’51, effectively ripping off the war bond purchasers by redeeming their bonds with dollars that were worth only half of what they were at the time of purchase.  As usual, you know nothing.

        • Econwarrior

          Dumbass: war bonds are instruments of debt.  BAM!

          • $8194357

            When debt becomes currency..
            An inversion of sound economics..

            marxist bizzarro world…Up is down…left is right…

            Debt leads to destruction so debt is “good’ for their
            true and real agendas. Americas “demise”…

            Those dang intended unitended consequences
            they always use.

          • syantiss

            Wait… Debt IS money????

            When did THAT happen?

            LOL!!

          • $8194357

            For the third time in 1913.

          • syantiss

            Well, thank God that only have a 100 year charter… ROTFLMAO!

          • $8194357

            Yeah…
            What damage could they do in 100 years, huh?
            Sarc

            debt transfer ponzi mission accomplished moment soon?

          • syantiss

            So, do you suppose Congress will extend the charter for another 100 years of middle America screw-fest?

          • $8194357

            I believe with just Israel and America left to conqour…
            they don’t need another 100 years as America has been economically downgraded and world currency status will soon change hands to finish us off…financially anyway..

          • jackstan84

            And the economy has struggled ever since then. Wait that never happened GDP increased exponentially over the next century.

          • syantiss

            Oh ? What did the value of the Dollar do over that same time frame?

            Moron

          • jackstan84

            Here is a chart for real GDP (adjusted for inflation) growth since 1870 dude. You will notice an exponential increase throughout the 20th Century. http://andrewjohnharrison.com/2011/01/08/long-term-gdp/

          • $8194357

            Dude….

            We have been had by the

             “incorperated Federal government”

            with the vehicle used  the Federal Reserve System.

            They “robbed” America blind,
            for

             “international gain”..

            Dang you leftists apoligists are just plain ass dumb..

          • jackstan84

            Yep another conspiracy about the fed and international organizations robbing the Americans blind, while all economic indicators show life getting better.

          • syantiss

            Here’s a chart showing the value of the dollar over nearly the same time frame… http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.com/2011/04/100-year-declining-value-of-us-dollar.html
            Additionally, keep in mind that the method used for determining GPD, inflation, and unemployment have been consistently changing, meaning that you have presented a chart showing apples, pears, unicorns, green horseshoes and hippy flowers in one line.

          • jackstan84

            Growth has outpaced inflation peope make way more then they did back then, the chart is in real GDP adjusted for inflation. Like most nutters you look at a very limited piece of data and overgeneralize it to jump to a conclusion.

          • syantiss

            First, there is no doubt that the population is better off than 100 years ago, or anytime in human history for that matter.
            Second, the chart you show, uses math that changed over the years. Apples, oranges, pears, squirrels, and robot-chickens, in one chart.
            Third, we make “way more” in large part because our Dollar is shrinking in value. An exponential rise in income is necessary when you have an exponential decrease in the purchasing power of the currency.
            Fourth, much of the rise in GDP over the last ten decades is artificial based upon a growing leverage of future productivity (debt).
            Fifth, reckless fractional reserve lending gambles future prosperity and stability for short term gains. Most people only live for the now, with little thought for the future, but a GDP track that you show is anything but stable.
            Sixth, if you had a company with that kind of growth rate, no investor would come near you as that kind of exponential chart scares the hell out of them.

          • $8194357

            Inflationary wealth redistribution to elitist international progressive agendas at the “expense” of theft of all our labor money and real property along with the “real agenda” the

            “end of independent national soveriegnty”…

            What a deconstrutive plan and agenda huh..

            Its a small samll world, financially speaking..

          • syantiss

            Yeah, but at least they sleep well at night, and that’s comforting to know.
            Sigh…

          • $8194357

            Most leftist appoligists and collaborators do sleep well at night…
            No “loyalties…No worries….

          • jackstan84

            So you think the standard of living now is what it was in 1913??

          • $8194357

            International ponzis and agendas dip wad…

            Rio…
            June…
            Agenda 21 mission statements for enviromental global sustainability…Third world redistributive justice…
            Ponzis “MUST” grow larger to survive….

            what tangled webs they weave and all you lefties they decieve…

          • $8194357

            For internationalist progressive gain at National soveriegntys expense ….you dumb blind ignorant lemming apoligist..

            All ponzis profit flows up, no?
            who “owns and controls” the Fed Reserve?

            Da…International progressive one world globalists dip wad..

          • ellinas1

            Dumbass, the government financed the war issuing 
             instruments of debt, that paid money when it was needed, in this case during the war, and paid the purchasers later.BAM! Stupid. BAM!

            “You lie….”Neiman on 06/29/2011 in reply to robert108.”Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…”robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pmBAM! idiot BAM!

          • Econwarrior

            In your own words, liar:

            ” ellinas1 
            When you don’t have the funds, and have to borrow to pay for it  it adds up.”

            No matter how you twist, spin and lie, all wars are financed by debt.  You, being a commie, want us to lose to your muslim buddies, so you whine about what we spend on the war on terrorism, but again, because you’re so stupid and dishonest, ALL WARS ARE FINANCED BY DEBT!

            You keep repeating what I said that identified you as a compulsive liar.

  • Jay

    Anyone with a functioning brain knows Bush was a goddamn horrible, incompetent, stupid President unqualified to run a corner convenience store, much less a whole damn country, but the lefties need to get over him. He left office nearly three and a half years ago, and Obama has put us on a crazy train of gross overspending, bankruptcy, and insolvency ever since. Not many people can make Bush look fiscally responsible, but Obama nearly succeeds. It’s time for Obama to explain why he’s failed to right this economy and quit having his lefty goons blame his utter failure on his predecessor.

    • Econwarrior

      Terminal BDS.  President Bush fought and killed the terrorists, while the Democrats did everything they could do to smear him and to enable the terrorists to win.  He’s a hero.

      • Jay

        He’s a hero of Big Government. That’s for sure. He’s also a hero to those who desperately wanted the Dems to win in 2006 and 2008. He handled the response to 9/11 well but then went overboard with that moronic Iraq War (whose underlying premise–WMDs–he himself disavowed) after years of pretending Iraq was doing fine while the situation spiraled out of control. Bush was a lazy, stupid, incompetent President who had no goddamn business in the White House and rightly left office as the country’s most unpopular Chief Executive since Nixon. Good riddance, I say.

        • Econwarrior

          President Bush had to clean up two Clinton messes; his recession and the Clinton-enabled 9/11 attack.  He also had to rebuild our military and intel assets after Clinton gutted them to create his fairy tale of a “surplus”.  Of course, a govt surplus=overtaxation, but liberals don’t care about that.
          It is a lie that WMD were the underlying premise of the Iraq War.  Saddam Hussein was moving to become the Hitler of the ME, invading Kuwait and threatening the Saudis, and President Bush stopped him.
          All in all, President Bush did a much better job than the present punk in the White House.

          • Jay

            How’s it a lie? As I recall, that was the case Bush was making. You and the other Bushbots can try to whitewash history, but that’s what the Bush Administration was saying–all the way till Bish blamed the WMD meme on faulty intelligence.

            As for your attempt to justify Bush’s out-of-control spending by blaming Clinton, please explain me what connection Clinton had to the following:

            1) No Child Left Behind
            2) The 2005 highway bill
            3) Medicare Part D
            4) Bush’s steel tariffs

            Considering Clinton was out of office when Bush signed all those, I’d like to say how you’re going to link the 42nd President to them.

            It is true the tech bubble burst under Clinton and left Bush with a recession to clean up, but that in no way justifies the Leviathan State spending you’re trying to give Bush a pass on.

            As far as 9/11, Clinton was out of office almost eight months when it occurred. If Clinton deserves the blame for it, so does Bush, on whose watch it happened.

            As for your lunatic assertion that Saddam was trying to become Asia’s Hitler in 2003, you must have been locked in a timewarp. Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990. Bush, Sr., put together a coalition that beat him in 1991. Iraq was divided up after the Gulf War, and Saddam was never again in a position to attack his neighbors. You Bushbots must be desperate to protect your failed god if you have to say he was responsible for his father’s achievements.

            Bush was a failed sonofabitch who had no goddamn business in the White House, and I wish he had never served. We wouldn’t be suffering under Obama had Nader not caused Bush to edge Gore in Florida in 2000. Bad as he would have been, Gore would have been hamstrung by facing a GOP Congress and would never have been able to assrape the country as Bush did. Too bad for us Nader kept him from winning.

          • Econwarrior

            WMD was about halfway down a list of 16 reasons for finally forming the coalition that went after Saddam.  Even the Clinton administration believed he had WMD, since he had already used them, and we found 650 TONS of yellowcake after we deposed him, along with a raft of documentation indicating that he intended to develop nukes after the UN sanctions were lifted, which is also when he intended to launch his Hitleresque plans for the ME.
            Your lunatic assertion of “out of control spending” is ludicrous when compared to obama’s spending, and obama’s real out of control spending was almost pure payoffs, while President Bush got the American people some bang for our taxpayer buck.
            Your deceptive cherry-picking is noted.
            The American people kept the idiot Gore out of the White House, else the obama administration politics would have started in 2000 instead of 2009.
            Saddam never relented from his past behaviors, as the long series of UN  sanctions prove conclusively.
            Your BDS is making you stupid, and your dependence on profanity is the proof.

          • Jay

            Wow! You Bush worshippers have lost it! Bush’s budgetbusting didn’t really happen because Obama’s. You’re clearly smoking the good shit now. Saddam was neutered after 1991 and had no ability to attack a neighboring country from then till his fall from power in 2003. Deceptive cherrypicking, huh? I find that accusation amazing coming from someone as utterly dishonest as you.

          • Econwarrior

            I’m sorry you’re so upset over President Bush, but your emotions are irrelevant to me.
            If Saddam was “neutered” in 1991, why were all those UN sanctions issued between then and 2003?
            It’s not “dishonest” to disagree with your hysterical rant.
            President Bush succeeded in surviving the eight years of lying smear from your Party, and still killed the terrorists over there, instead of bringing them here, as obama has done.
            Everything I write is honest.

          • Jay

            My party? What party, pray tell, might that be? You wouldn’t be able to be honest if someone threatened to castrate you if you lied. I can’t wait to see what “party” I’m in according to your mendacious logic.

          • Econwarrior

            Your violent threat is noted.  Your entire approach is identical to that of the Democrats during the eight years of President Bush’s administration.  Lies, smears and threats.  You profile yourself.
            You recite all the Democrat talking points, as well.
            All the mendacity here is from you.

          • Jay

            I issued a violent threat now? Bit of a pansy there, are you? I just can’t get over the irony of a pathological liar’s calling me mendacious. Tell you what? We can debate after you change your pampers. All right?

          • Econwarrior

            Again, you have nothing but lies and smears.  You are the liar here.

          • Econwarrior

            Your threat, liar:  “You wouldn’t be able to be honest if someone threatened to castrate you if you lied.”

            Why is that in your mind?

          • ellinas1

            Kenny in reply to robert108 1 person liked this. 

            I know you’re not seriously stupid enough to call people nazis and then whine about YOU getting called names. Admit it, you’re some Dem plant to make right wingers look stupid

            Robert108 now goes by the moniker econwarrior..

          • Econwarrior

            You lie again, little ellie;; port deregistered me when I was gone for a few days.  I just use another handle I used here in the past to foil some stalkers like you.

          • jackstan84

            oh coming from the one of the people who talks about sock puppets all the time admitting to using them himself.

          • Econwarrior

            I don’t “use” sockpuppets, little hanni/danni/bobbi; the owner of this blog deregistered me without my permission.  I don’t claim to be someone I’m not.

          • jackstan84

            Don’t worry every time Econwarrior is proven wrong or you ever criticize anyone in the Republican party he automatically declares you as member of the left.

          • Econwarrior

            You have yet to prove me wrong about anything, little hanni/danni/bobbi, so you’re just making stuff up again.
            As far as profiling leftists is concerned, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…it’s a duck.

          • jackstan84

            I do over and over again and then when I do and you are at your limited wits end you just start shouting liar. And it is critical for us to critically analyze our candidates both Republican and Democrat for successes and failures in office in an objective fashion.

          • Econwarrior

            Little hanni/danni/bobbi:  The Dems sold out to Marxism in 1968, so I cannot vote for them; while the Republicans aren’t perfect(who is?), at least they aren’t Marxists.

          • Econwarrior

            “As I recall, that was the case Bush was making.”

            False.  That was the Democrats cherry-picking the State of the Union address where he actually said that British Intelligence believed Saddam had WMD.  You liberal liars twisted that into the lie about President Bush claiming Saddam had WMD, but he never said that.

          • Jay

            I see. I’m supposed to believe a pathological liar over every result of a google search of the following terms: Bush Iraq WMD. Forgive me for not choosing to do that.

          • Econwarrior

            You should believe the truth, and abandon your DNC talking points.  Again, just reference the SOTU speech, and you will see that President Bush clearly said that British Intel told him Saddam had WMD.
            It’s a fact.
            Of course, liberals hate facts, and prefer to run their irrational anger instead.
            Google the text of President Bush’s SOTU speech.

          • Jay

            I watched the 2002 SOTU and have read the text. By the way, thanks for making my point to me. You pretended at first Bush never associated Iraq with WMDs till you just admitted it. Liberals may hate facts, but pseudoconservative Bushbots like you seem to hate them just as much.

            Oh, and by the way, the DNC talking points were generally “Bush lied! People died!” I don’t believe Bush lied. He was just an inept dumbass way in over his head who was willing to believe whatever pretext he could find to launch an ill-conceived war when still had a lot to do in Iraq. Unfortunately the idiot wasn’t smart enough to try to limit the damage done by the insurgents for four years and left office with a justifiably dismal approval rating after his godawful handling of a situation that, though unnecessary, could have been a major achievement for him.

          • Econwarrior

            “You pretended at first Bush never associated Iraq with WMDs till you just admitted it.”

            Another lie from you.  I wrote that the threat of WMD was halfway down a list of 16 reasons for going into Iraq.
            His unpopularity was due in no small part to Democrat liars like you who smeared him for eight years and obstructed his every effort, including his effort to shut down Fannie and Freddie in 2005, along with reforming Social Security and Medicare.
            He was right, and you are wrong.
            The Dems also obstructed his every effort to win in Iraq, but he won anyway, despite the Dems costing us thousands of lives with their obstruction.

          • Jfisher17

            As far as WMDs in Iraq- Go to: wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/23. “WikiLeaks shows WMD hunt continued-with surprising results.”

          • Econwarrior

            Whoops!  Another left wing talking point flushed down the toilet of truth.

          • ellinas1

            From your link:
            “An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesn’t reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime — the Bush administration’s most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained.”

          • Econwarrior

            When your position is that there were “no WMD”, the existence of some makes you a liar.
            Saddam”s continued violation of the UN sanctions was the reason(not rationale) for kicking Saddam’s ass.

          • ellinas1

            From your link: In WikiLeaks’ massive trove of nearly 392,000 Iraq war logs are hundreds of references to chemical and biological weapons. Most of those are intelligence reports or initial suspicions of WMD that don’t pan out. In July 2004, for example, U.S. forces come across a Baghdad building with gas masks, gas filters, and containers with “unknown contents” inside. Later investigation revealed those contents to be vitamins.
            Yes jfisher17.
            Indeed the results are surprising. 

          • Econwarrior

            What were the gas masks to be used for?

          • ellinas1

            More surprising results from your link:
            “A small group — mostly of the political right — has long maintained that there was more evidence of a major and modern WMD program than the American people were led to believe. A few Congressmen and Senators gravitated to the idea, but it was largely dismissed as conspiratorial hooey.”

          • Econwarrior

            The entire Clinton administration preached the gospel of WMD in Iraq, liar4.

          • ellinas1

            More surprising results from your link:”The WMD diehards will likely find some comfort in these newly-WikiLeaked documents. Skeptics will note that these relatively small WMD stockpiles were hardly the kind of grave danger that the Bush administration presented in the run-up to the war.”

          • Econwarrior

            So, according to the compulsive liar little ellie, WMD is OK is it’s “small.

          • Bat One

            Actually, what Mr. Bush said in that SOTU speech was that British intelligence had determined that Saddam was trying to buy yellowcake in Africa, a statement later confirmed by the Brits’ Butler Commission, and, ironically, by Ambassador Joe Wilson, in his CIA debrief as documented in the Report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.  That fact was also confirmed still later by Christopher Hitchens who identified the Iraqi representative in question as Saddam’s chief nuclear arms diplomat.

          • Econwarrior

            As we well know, the truth doesn’t matter to a liberal if it conflicts with his ideology.

          • jackstan84

            The person you are insulting is a person who criticized both Obama and Bush as presidents. You are the one who no longer supports any truth when it conflicts with what your party tells you to think. And you are the one who repeatedly just shouts liar whenever anybody introduces you to data which refutes what you say rather than engaging in evidenced debate. Remove the log from your own eye before you point out the speck in your neighbor’s eye.

          • Econwarrior

            I correctly identify you as a liar when you lie.  If you don’t like it, stop lying.  Unlike you, I don’t use talking points; I speak from my own knowledge.

          • jackstan84

            Very limited knowledge, listen to what that video by Bruce Bartlett where he talks about sound bites, facts, and how people like yourself follow ideolgoy like a religion in the face of all facts. It is at about 14:30 seconds and this is a Reagan guy, another great quote people confronted with facts that disagree with what they believe to be true will ignore facts if they disagree with what they believe. Also at 21 minutes listen to what he says about Fox News.

          • BBantam

            Your keen intellect is on full display.

          • jackstan84

            Yes running a surplus when you nation is over $5 trillion in the hole is overtaxation.

          • Econwarrior

            Then it isn’t a surplus.  Again, words have meaning, not what you want them to mean.

          • jackstan84

            Are you really this stupid, how are we going to pay off our national debt if our government does not begin running surpluses at some point?

          • Econwarrior

            Again, your ignorance shows in your faulty generalization.  We pay off the national debt by cutting wasteful govt spending, leaving more capital in the private sector, and producing economic growth.
            You are referring to a temporary, short term surplus, I guess, even though you failed to specify.

          • jackstan84

            When Clinton left office the budget was projected to continue to have surpluses, and I’m not saying this is just a democrat v. republican issue because Clinton was president in times of divided government. In the later part of the 90s our government was starting to do some good things, until Bush came to office and his administration proved that they weren’t believers in arithmetic. I remember Bush saying talking about how he does not know much about economics, but tax cuts are good. Then he signed $7 trillion dollars of new spending into law.

          • Econwarrior

            Clinton’s projection was so wrong that he handed a recession to President Bush.
            You apparently don’t know that all spending bills originate in the House, and the Dem house after 2007 increased govt spending tremendously.
            The “Clinton surplus” was just another liberal fairy tale.

          • jackstan84

            The majority of his spending was in NCLB, the wars in the middle east, Homeland security, and the medicare benefit were all signed into law before then.

            How is the Clinton surplus a lie? You keep saying that over and over again but provide not rational basis for your argument. And again it’s not even a democrat republican think both Clinton and Gingrich claim credit for it.

          • Econwarrior

            I’ll explain it one more time: Clinton slashed military and intel to produce the illusion of a “surplus”, but he actually handed off a recession to President Bush.

          • syantiss

            He also changed how tax receipts were tallied.

          • Econwarrior

            As usual, you try to change the subject.  It doesn’t matter when wasteful spending is signed into law, it’s still wasteful, and the Dem Congress signed even more wasteful spending into law.

          • jackstan84

            Econ warr of course it matters how many excuses are you going to make for bush 2. And in how many countries and for how long do we have to conduct military like it is still the cold war with us being spread all over the world and spending more than the rest of the world combined.

          • Econwarrior

            It occurs to me that you, along with most liberals, think that “tax cuts” mean that less in taxes is collected, but that’s a lie;’ they are really reduction in marginal tax rates, and historically(JFK, President Reagan, President Bush) produce an increase in revenues collected.  It’s an arithmetic thing.

          • jackstan84

            I have already argued with this. Taxes always go up in revenue because of inflation and population growth. Saying that tax cuts increase revenue does not say a lot till you put into perspective.

          • Econwarrior

            Revenues increase every time marginal tax rates are lowered.  To understand why, you have to know economics.

          • jackstan84

            Here is a good interview by Reagan’s main economic adviser http://billmoyers.com/segment/bruce-bartlett-on-where-the-right-went-wrong/

          • Econwarrior

            Moyers is a left wing propagandist, so your lame attempt at appeal to authority is a fail.

          • jackstan84

            Econwarrior is Bruce bartlett Reagan’s economic advisor who drove the discussion a leftist too?

      • Spook

        A hero of spending without paying for it.

        • Econwarrior

          Unlike obama, President Bush had real economic growth, until the Dem home loan bubble collapsed.
          obama is the all-time champ at wasteful spending.

    • Spook

      Jay, point taken.  However, the Afghan war and the spending on Iraq are ongoing.  They did not end when Bush left office.  Afghanistan is merely Vietnam-lite; less death, more money.  Also, when we look at the last three GOP presidents, we see spenders.  GHWB emerges as the most desirable of the three if one is concerned about debt and deficits.  What assurance do we have that the inventor of Obamacare will do something more responsible.  You all act as if Romney will not do any deficit spending, but we have no evidence to suggest that.  Not from what Romeny says, not from his public servant track record, not from an induction of recent GOP POTUSes.

      You can only complain about Obama if you are ready to disparage recent GOP admins.  More than merely Dubya.  You seem to be ready to do that.  So why should we then prefer Romney?  More aggressive wars?  What would the real difference be?  Aggressive posturing is part of the deficit and debt problem.  Another exmple of why Romney would change nothing.

      It’s a nice day for sailing.  Strong, warm southern breeze.  Or is that just the hot air all the ‘conservatives’ are letting off?

      • Jay

        Mitch Daniels was my pick for President this cycle, Spook. He has handled Indiana’s economy well and is a solid leader. Unfortunately thanks to a ridiculous indiscretion by his wife in the 1990s, Daniels bowed out. After looking at the announced candidates, I settled on Romney as the most likely to unseat Obama and TRY to reverse the idiotic excesses of the Bush and Obama years. Ultimately it’s likely even if Romney wins–something I don’t believe is a guarantee–not much will change, though he at least rhetorically expresses a willingness to change course. Will he? We’ll see. We have to try though. We can’t stay on the currently unsustainable path we’re on.

      • Econwarrior

        Romney isn’t a Marxist.

    • ellinas1

      “Anyone with a functioning brain….”

      The above excludes econwarrior/robert180 who has famously said:
      “”Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…”
      robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

      To date he continues to do just that……telling a lie and even consistently lying about a subject….in this case ex president Bush.

      • Econwarrior

        Your compulsive lying has no acquaintance with the truth.

      • Onslaught1066

         “Anyone with a functioning brain….”

        The above excludes Ellin-A$$ who has famously said:

        As of today nothing changed since the ancient times.

        And what was taking place in those ancient times:

        Pederasty is a sexual relationship between an adult male and an adolescent boy.

        The word pederasty derives from Greek (paiderastia) “love of boys.

        Relationships in ancient Greece involved boys from 12 to about 17.

        And how does Ellin-A$$ feel about those ancient times?:

        I am proud of Greece and proud of my Greek culture. Every bit of it.

        To date he continues to do just that.

      • Econwarrior

        I told the truth, little ellie, but as usual, you lied.

    • BBantam

      Although you are accurately critical of Obama’s presidency, your real alignment with liberals is transparent when you resort to name calling–Bush is stupid, etc. Only liberals do that. It’s a trait exposed, then employed by the diffident, feely crowd.

      • Jay

        I guess you’re referring to me, BB. Check my posts on other threads to see how much “real alignment with liberals” I have.

  • Bat One

    If the information on those three charts wasn’t bad enough, try measuring them against the $6 trillion in new debt Obama and the Democrats have foisted on the American people.

    • Econwarrior

      When you subtract his deficit spending, you find that there has been private sector shrinkage in growth;  the only growth under obama has been the growth of the cost of govt.

      • headward

        Only one other President had stagflation like this.  Obama is so smart like Carter.

        • Bat One

          The inflation portion isn’t here just yet, but there’s no question that its coming.

          • Jay

            Jimmy Carter II can’t leave office fast enough for me. He forgot to tell us the change in “hope, change, and optimism” would be whatever we could scrounge out of our pockets when he accelerated our country’s fiscal insolvency to unprecedented levels.

          • ellinas1

            “I don’t believe for one minute that
            we are in, or about to enter into, a recession. 
            Despite the best efforts of the Democrats and the media to convince us
            otherwise…”
            Bat One on January 25, 2008 at 10:17 am

          • Onslaught1066

             

            As of today nothing changed since the ancient times.

            Pederasty is a sexual relationship between an adult male and an adolescent boy.

            The word pederasty derives from Greek (paiderastia) “love of boys.

            Relationships in ancient Greece involved boys from 12 to about 17.

            As of today nothing changed since the ancient times.

    • ellinas1

      “I don’t believe for one minute that
      we are in, or about to enter into, a recession. 
      Despite the best efforts of the Democrats and the media to convince us
      otherwise…”
      Bat One on January 25, 2008 at 10:17 am

      • Onslaught1066

         

        As of today nothing changed since the ancient times

        Pederasty is a sexual relationship between an adult male and an adolescent boy.

        The word pederasty derives from Greek (paiderastia) “love of boys.

        Relationships in ancient Greece involved boys from 12 to about 17.

        As of today nothing changed since the ancient times

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Today’s cultural gift from Greece = BANKRUPSY

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2DMWFXPPCXHO3OKXSXCQJ3IRPE Emmie

    To all the Obama supporters: SERIOUSLY what has he done to improve life for you & I? And STOP blaming Bush. In three years this man could have improved something but all he has done is spend us into oblivion, what has gotten better? NOTHING! Oh wait, his top Demos have done well, invested in companies set up to fail and have paperwork set up that they get their money back before we do. It’s a slam dunk, win-win situation. Then bundle up that money and launder it then back to their fat wallets. Name one program Obama has given money too that hasn’t failed. Oh, and all that crap raised about Ted Nugget’s song? Did you see today where they say “KILL ROMNEY” and non-supporters of Obama are contract killers? How about the biggest narcissistic move of all…have your name, (Obama’s), inserted into past president’s biographies on whitehouse.org + biographies and see for yourself. FAF, can’t see the forest for the trees.

    • WOOF

      Directly for you Emmie, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act,

  • cylde

    I am old enough to have lived and worked through each of the recessions in chart one and did not need the chart to know this one is the worst, but the chart shows clearly how much worse. Each individual has a subjective experience in a recession, and mine could have been much worse. I know that in each, for many, there were personal disasters, i survived and kept struggling for success. When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

    • syantiss

      This time around will be unlike anytime previous, unfortunately.

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