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Monday, April 30, 2007

Those “Green” Lightbulbs Maybe Aren’t So Green After All

Not when you have to pay $2000 to poison control specialists to clean up after you break one.

How much money does it take to screw in a compact fluorescent light bulb? About US$4.28 for the bulb and labour—unless you break the bulb. Then you, like Brandy Bridges of Ellsworth, Maine, could be looking at a cost of about US$2,004.28, which doesn’t include the costs of frayed nerves and risks to health.

Sound crazy? Perhaps no more than the stampede to ban the incandescent light bulb in favour of compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs).

According to an April 12 article in The Ellsworth American, Bridges had the misfortune of breaking a CFL during installation in her daughter’s bedroom: It dropped and shattered on the carpeted floor.

Aware that CFLs contain potentially hazardous substances, Bridges called her local Home Depot for advice. The store told her that the CFL contained mercury and that she should call the Poison Control hotline, which in turn directed her to the Maine Department of Environmental Protection.

The DEP sent a specialist to Bridges’ house to test for mercury contamination. The specialist found mercury levels in the bedroom in excess of six times the state’s “safe” level for mercury contamination of 300 billionths of a gram per cubic meter. The DEP specialist recommended that Bridges call an environmental cleanup firm, which reportedly gave her a “low-ball” estimate of US$2,000 to clean up the room. The room then was sealed off with plastic and Bridges began “gathering finances” to pay for the US$2,000 cleaning. Reportedly, her insurance company wouldn’t cover the cleanup costs because mercury is a pollutant.

Personally, I’m just fine with CFL’s.  If people want to use them and save on their electric bill then great.  That’s the sort of vote-with-your-feet market pressure that’s going to impact the energy industry in a positive way.  My problem with supporters of CFL lighting is that many of them want to force us all to use them.  And like most things the government tries to mandate, there are hidden costs involved.  Like the scenario above.

Ethanol is another example of this.  Certain politicians who work for the government have decided (after their palms were thoroughly greased by the ethanol industry, no doubt) that ethanol is the savior for our automobile fuel industry.  They want to mandate the fuel’s use and prop it up as a competitor to cheaper, better-quality fossil fuels with tax-funded subsidies.  Yet what they’re ignoring are the very real consequences of forcing such a move on the population.

Like the devastating effect it’s going to have on the ranching industry.  Or the artificially higher prices we’ll all pay as a result of the market-manipulating these politicians are doing to prop up ethanol.

My point, out of all of this, is this: We should never let our politicians make decisions in the market place for us.  We shouldn’t let them decide what sort of light bulb or fuel is going to work best for us because they’re not very good at making those decisions.  And they’re often basing their decisions more on who gives them political contributions than anything else.

There is nothing more powerful, and more right, than millions of free citizens making free choices in a free economic environment.  Mandates forcing us to make certain decisions in the market, be they for environmental or political reasons, always make us less free.

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This is the first time I have heard of such a incident.  I wonder if there is a case where an employee broke a four foot fluorescent in an office environment called for a mercury clean up??? There probably is but in most cases the glass is simply swept up and thrown in the garbage… may not be right but that is most likely reality.  CFL’s are here to stay and should be empbraced for certain applications but there are some places that they do not make sense and we should not be forced to use them. 

What we have got to look at is the overal advantages to using CFL’s which equal less dependancy on energy companies which polute our air with coal factories all over the US. 

I know there are worries about mercury in CFL’s but consider what would be a better alternative?  To simply not think about conservation should not be an option....

And for those wondering… well this guy is in the lightbulb business - yep - your right but I will not even mention our company because this issue is much greater than simply selling a product.

Jason

Jason Petty on April 30, 2007 at 08:42 am
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Jason, I have no problem with CFL’s being on the market.  When it comes time for me to buy lightbulbs for my house again (I stocked up at a sale a while back) I may even buy them.

But what I’m against is forcing people to buy them.  That’s not right, for all the reasons I described above.


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Rob on April 30, 2007 at 08:55 am
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There is considerably more mercury in silver tooth fillings, but people don’t contact the environmental protection agency every time they brush their teeth. The reality is CFLs contain an extremely small amount of mercury (on the order of 4 milligrams), which means that if she wanted to be extra paranoid, she could have simply opened the windows, swept the fragments into a small bag, wiped the carpet, waited for it to dry then vaccuumed, and disposed of the rag she wiped the carpet with and the fragments of the bulb at the local toxic waste center.

Or, if she’s less paranoid, clean up the mess like it was a regular light bulb.

William Woody on April 30, 2007 at 08:59 am

Which has more Mercury

a light bulb,

or a can of solid white tuna?

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If these CFL’s have such a low level of mercury in them, then why did her room test to six times the “safe” level set by the state of Maine?


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Rob on April 30, 2007 at 09:15 am

Comparing lightbulb mercury with that from either tooth fillings or cans of tuna is that the lightbulbs get thrown into landfills in large quantities.  The tooth fillings are rarely thrown away, and when the cans of tuna are thrown away, they are empty.  Not the same at all.


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robert108 on April 30, 2007 at 09:16 am

Few eat light bulbs.

DETERMINE EPA’s RECOMMENDED LEVEL FOR A 45 LB CHILD

EPA RECOMMENDED LEVEL = 2.05 micrograms per day = 14.35 micrograms per week.
BY EATING 6 OUNCES OF CHUNK WHITE TUNA A WEEK, THE CHILD IS INGESTING ALMOST FOUR TIMES EPA’S RECOMMENDED DOSE.

http://www.pbs.org/now/science/mercuryinfish.html

WOOF on April 30, 2007 at 01:38 pm

Few eat light bulbs.

Since broken lightbulbs release the mercury dust into the air, it is inhaled, which is much more effective in getting the mercury into the bloodstream than passing it through the digestive system.  Nice try, though.


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robert108 on April 30, 2007 at 01:43 pm

Nice try

at what?

WOOF on April 30, 2007 at 02:30 pm

Comparing apples to oranges.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on April 30, 2007 at 02:32 pm

The new light bulbs are made in Communist China.  They will be mandaged in all new fan light kits next year.  Source:  A local merchant who sells only fans and associated equipment including the light kits.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on April 30, 2007 at 06:12 pm

Few eat light bulbs.

WOOF, didn’t you get mad at Bush for “raising” arsenic levels in drinking water?

For the record—he reversed a ridiculous mandate set by Clinton just before he left office.

Seth Yantiss on May 1, 2007 at 05:27 am

Steven J. Milloy (article’s author) is a columnist for Fox News and a paid advocate for Phillip Morris, ExxonMobil and other corporations.

Put some salt on his don’t mention coal fired electric
generating mercury emissions into the air story.

The only $2000 broken light bulb cleanups is in his ass.

WOOF on May 1, 2007 at 05:42 am

Steven J. Milloy (article’s author) is a columnist for Fox News and a paid advocate for Phillip Morris, ExxonMobil and other corporations.

So what? How is that relevant here?

Put some salt on his don’t mention coal fired electric generating mercury emissions into the air story.

What? So he’s automatically a liar because he gathers a paycheck from ExxonMobil?

What a simple world you live in.

likwidshoe on May 1, 2007 at 06:28 am

Typical leftie ad hominem in place of substance.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on May 1, 2007 at 06:36 am

Okay, so wait… let me try to understand this.  Combining small amounts of mercury in lightbulbs is not a problem, ridiculously low arsenic levels in the water is?  Millions of mercury filled lightbulbs in landfills is better than the CO2 that would have been produced to power incandescent bulbs?  Rather than “pollute” the air… we should pollute the ground, water, and fish.

The author of the article is biased because he gets funding from oil companies who profit from us using more power?  Yet he seems to have reported just the facts in the case. 

Ahhhhh I see the trickery here… but just reporting the facts, his bias bleeds through.  We might make informed, logical choices based upon his reporting of the facts… can’t have that now can we????

Damn that Steven!!!  He’s so crafty… deceiving us with the facts like that.  Damn him! 

I want my mindless, emotional, fact-less news back!!!!!!

When I was in grade school, my teacher allowed me to hold mercury in my hand.  My wife grew up eating fish from a lake that has high concentrations of mercury.  We’re both alive and healthy… WEIRD!

Seth Yantiss on May 1, 2007 at 07:35 am
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I looked it up, and yes, mercury is an ingredient in virtually any flourescent bulbs.  The interaction between voltage and mercury’s quantum characteristics is how they work.

And toxicity?  Well, this link http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001652.htm

suggests that people definitely get symptoms at about 1mg/l in urine.  So theoretically, if you got the full 4mg or so from the bulb into your system, you could get very sick.  Otherwise, the real hazard is from the broken glass.

It’s worth noting that CF bulbs used to come with a plastic shroud, presumably because of the mercury issue.

And Milloy’s pay coming from Exxon Mobil and so on?  Sorry, Woof, but until you demonstrate he’s in the pay of coal companies, you’re barking up the wrong tree in your attempt of guilt by association.  Plus, did you know that most of those endorsing CF bulbs are in the pay of moronic government bureaucrats?  Two can play at that game.

Robert Perry on May 1, 2007 at 11:14 am
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