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Sunday, May 18, 2008

They Can Bleed, Die, And Kill - But For Pete’s Sake Don’t Let Them Look At A Playboy Magazine

This is moral posturing and nothing more. Besides being completely ridiculous as well, that is.

Representative Paul Broun, a Republican from Georgia, has decided that our soldiers - who we train to fight for our country and who risk death and disablement every single day in the line of duty - just can’t be trusted with the moral complications involving a Playboy magazine:

Concerned that the military is selling pornography in exchange stores in spite of a ban, one lawmaker has introduced a bill to clean up the matter.

“Our troops should not see their honor sullied so that the moguls behind magazines like Playboy and Penthouse can profit,” said Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., unveiling his House bill April 16.

His Military Honor and Decency Act would amend a provision of the 1997 Defense Authorization Act that banned sales of “sexually explicit material” on military bases.

The new language would “close existing loopholes” in regulations to bring the military “into compliance with the intent of the 1997 law,” Broun said.

“Allowing sale of pornography on military bases has harmed military men and women by escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes, feeding a base addiction, eroding the family as the primary building block of society, and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad,” Broun said.

So....let me get this straight. Aside from the points I’ve already made about these men who are willing to fight for our country not being able to handle the stirring, soul searing experience of seeing a beautiful, naked woman in a magazine (seeing your friends and enemies dead is alright though) there is another factor.

Does representative Broun think that a man who can be trusted flying a twenty million dollar fighter jet, or handling a 60 ton tank, or any number of other amazingly complex jobs - often in the heat of combat - can’t deal with Playboy?

Look, I’m not endorsing Playboy - or any other magazine of that nature - by any means and in fact I haven’t seen one in years. But in today’s world I understand it’s still pretty tame fare. To call it pornography is a stretch. And anyway, if those guys want pornography there is the internet universe that is full of genuine, hard core, dyed-in-the-wool porn. The push of a computer button will get them all they want.

Note to Representative Broun: In case you missed it, young men like to look at beautiful young women. Just letting you know.

This country already has a dual personality when it comes to how we treat our service men and women. On the one hand they can do all the things I described above and are expected to act as adults in a very rigid, professional, and often dangerous environment. On the other hand in many cases they can’t buy a beer because they’re not “adults” by definition of law.

And now we’re going to tell them that they aren’t adult enough to make their own choices of what magazines they read?

Please. Rep. Broun should save his moral posturing for church. Let’s treat our service men and women as adults, shall we?

Comments

Avatar for Steve

They could still buy and look at them, they just couldn’t buy them on base. I don’t remember seeing them at the PX at Camp Pendleton, but I was never looking for them. The base commanders could very well decide that they don’t want them sold on base. That would be the logical solution; let the base commanders, or other relevant people, decide. While the proposed law may be wrong in some people’s opinion, Congress does have authority over the military.

Steve on May 18, 2008 at 06:38 am

These guys see no end in what they want to regulate. If all the world’s problems were solved they’d still have to come up with stuff to control. You don’t see much more in Playboy than you do on cable TV. Ridiculous.


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Hoss on May 18, 2008 at 06:52 am

When trying to define what is pornographic, it has been famously said,

I can’t tell you, but I know it when I see it!

I don’t this is a matter of trying to control what the troops read. I don’t believe that anyone has a problem restricting hard core porn being sold in the PX. Again, these are adults, we don’t want to tell them what they can read, but should the government be a purveyor of such material?
I think the problem is knowing where to draw the line...a talent definitely lacking in most people!
This is just an example of that lack of talent. (And maybe a lack of common sense!)



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Proof on May 18, 2008 at 06:55 am

This part of his statement tells the tale:

eroding the family as the primary building block of society, and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad,”

This is just a way to force his morality onto whatever part of the populace he can.

Just another example of one of our lawmakers forcing his own personal preferences into law.


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Pilgrim on May 18, 2008 at 07:37 am

Representative Broun is doing what everyone in congress does: introducing legislation that has little or no chance of adoption, but which will play well in the press back home.

It’s called political posturing and it’s all about pandering to the constituency.  In Broun’s case, rural Georgia.


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pparets on May 18, 2008 at 07:48 am
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They are adults, capable of making their own decisions. Like the one made when they enlisted.
Mr. Broun is in serious need of a reality check.

GM CASSEL AMH1(AW) USN RET on May 18, 2008 at 08:03 am

File under Holy War.

WOOF on May 18, 2008 at 08:18 am

But Broun’s spokesman John Kennedy contended that taxpayer dollars are involved — “used to pay military salaries, so taxpayer money is, in effect, being used to buy these materials,” he said.

BS…
Once the government pays someone’s salary, the money is not the taxpayer’s any more. It’s the government employee’s.
This guy is crazy. What’s next the alcohol and cigarettes?
rolleyes


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Anna on May 18, 2008 at 09:50 am
Avatar for jack

On this issue we agree 1000%. Masturbation is such a great stress reliever! It’s a good deed to provide our troops with this very mild strokebook.

jack on May 18, 2008 at 10:01 am
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If our criminals don’t get to look at pornography, I don’t see why our soldiers should get to.

todd on May 18, 2008 at 10:17 am
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Every unit should have a library of FMs.

Lestat on May 18, 2008 at 10:22 am

I saw this happening in 1996-1997 at Taszár AB, Hungary.  Someone was censoring my choices of reading materials.  We were not allowed off base, so this would be censorship by government.  I think you could bring any book you wanted, but they were going through duffle bags on the way back.  An E-4 was deciding what was “not allowed” shall we say.  Believe it or not, Playboy allowed their writers complete literary freedom. 
Last point.  In 2004 at Balad AB as well as Mosul AB, almost 99% of the books were written by women.  Any comments?  I found one paperback book like an Ian Flemming or Edward S. Arrons to pass a few hours in fiction.  Oh, by the way, one could purchase a complete TV, satellite system receiving over 800 channels for about $150 for the duration.  You could view just about anything in the world off of 8 different world-wide satellites.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on May 18, 2008 at 10:37 am

From who Chief?
I’m ready to get rid of my cable provider.

Oh, by the way, one could purchase a complete TV, satellite system receiving over 800 channels for about $150 for the duration.

WOOF on May 18, 2008 at 10:51 am

WOOF.  Thank you for the adult question.  Here is the answer:
From the free enterprising Iraqi “7-11” on Mosul AB.  I may post a picture of it if there is sufficient interest.  Not only that, but that included installation and the new TV!!  Oh, I asked about the 100 premium channels the next week.  He came back and installed the chip for $10.  I asked if that was per month and he said no!  I offered to tip him $10 and he refused.  Those people are honest people and hardworking and will enjoy their freedom once they rid themselves of the Iranians, Syrians and AlQuaeda Muslim-types trying to steal and rob whatever they can.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on May 18, 2008 at 11:06 am

Thanks Chief.

WOOF on May 18, 2008 at 11:12 am

Representative Paul Broun, a Republican from Georgia.

Bet you guys this man has skeletons in his closet.
Mark my words. One of these days, realitybasedbob wil post his name in the reader blogs. Either he is gay, child molester, or has a mistress on the side.
It is a pattern with this kind of hollier than thou politicians.

ellinas on May 18, 2008 at 11:15 am

Ellinas:

Bet you guys this man has skeletons in his closet.
Mark my words.

No bet.

I’ve said for years that the ones who squeal the loudest have the most to hide.


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Pilgrim on May 18, 2008 at 11:18 am
Avatar for HG

Please. Rep. Broun should save his moral posturing for church. Let’s treat our service men and women as adults, shall we

?

Can somebody say “AMEN”.

Rob, I absolutely agree.

But the fact that pornography is detrimental to society is pretty obvious.  I don’t think this is as much an imposition of one’s morality, as much as it is a question of good judgment.  I didn’t see chapter and verse cited in his reason for wanting to withhold it from the troops.  It was the effect of pornography that led to his argument.  Either way, it would be best to influence others by example and reason than to try to restrict access to something that is legal.  The only exception might be in keeping with the advise of military leaders.

HG on May 18, 2008 at 01:46 pm

This guy is gonna deny GIs on-base access to the Playboy interviews?  How cheesy.


To err is human.  To keep fucking things up over and over again takes a politician.

Regards…

LoadTheMule on May 19, 2008 at 07:49 am

It’s a guy thing. Maybe he just wouldn’t understand.


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Pilgrim on May 19, 2008 at 08:27 am
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