I’m reading a Marcinko espionage/action/thriller and the beginning has him wondering who wants to nuke an American city. Iraq and Saddam Hussein figured prominently as a possible suspect, which made me check the publication date. 2002.

Iraq was a terrorist supporting, supplying sympathizers until it came to a hard stop… after 2002…

I’ve got quite a few problems with Bush, bailout, housing katrina victims 5 years later, etc. I didn’t support the Iraq invasion until we went in. (Can’t go in and then quit, can we?) But in retrospect it was very much the right thing to do and it went better than would reasonably be expected.

…rogue states like Iraq.

Iran.

Yes. Unfortunately, Bush’s crowning achievement will be forever tarnished by his role in the bailout fiasco. He should have had confidence in posterity’s reevaluation of his legacy.

So many Liberals here, I’m gonna have to take a shower when I’m finished..

Simple, “My Friends”..

The world “Is” a safer place without Sadam.
How “Touchy-Feely” would it be for you, if it was “Your” Family exterminated by him?

McCain want’s to “change” Washington, to Improve the Country.
Because, he Loves it.

Obama want’s to “change” the Country..
Because he “Hates” it…

Shame on you!

That’s not going to have any effect on people (using the term very loosely here) who will only feel shame if a Republican administration wins what they want to see lost, by a Republican administration.

Also, Sadam didn’t help his cause by ignoring weapons inspectors and UN orders countless many times

Bush was the one ignoring weapons inspectors and UN orders not to invade. There were even proposals to send in another 1500 inspectors including Americans in order to avert war.

Bush reacted by basically saying “bullshit” get those inspectors out of their, f**k the UN, f**k diplomacy, f**k peace, we’re going to invade, bomb and kill NOW

Actually, it’s the trillions in wasteful social engineering schemes that is damaging the economy; it will only “spiral downward” if we elect the Marxist as President, with a gaggle of useful idiots in Congress.

You clearly have no idea what the cost of the war was vs. what we spend on social programs on a yearly basis. Clinton and all his “marxist socialist programs” handed us a budget surplus. Unless you’d prefer to blame our transition from budget surplus to RECORD DEFICIT on Bush’s marxist social engineering plans than there’s a fairly gaping hole in your logic.

The answer is not trillions, particularly as our economy
spirals downward.

Actually, it’s the trillions in wasteful social engineering schemes that is damaging the economy; it will only “spiral downward” if we elect the Marxist as President, with a gaggle of useful idiots in Congress.

I agree, McFlipFlop, yet you now say “nations don’t invade other nations” when you refer to Russia and Georgia.

Another false equivalence from you. We won. Get over it, terrorist lover.

Liberals,

You got to get your collective heads checked. Only in a liberal mind can victory in Iraq over a terrorist dictator which freed 8 mil. Iraqi’s be view as a disaster.

Iraq was not an “AQ stronghold”.

Another lie from you; AQ was in Iraq before we deposed Saddam, and they poured into the country upon our entry, which was part of the plan. Iraq became an AQ stronghold, and we beat the crap out of them there, your lies notwithstanding.
The cost to us of showing weakness to the terrorists, like Clinton did, would have been exponentially more, not just in lives and dollars, either. Maybe you can’t wait to wear a burqa and a beard, but I’m not having any of that.

AQ came to fight us in Iraq because it was yet another chance to kill Americans.

We fought them over there instead of over here. Duh.
It turned out it was just another chance for AQ to die at the hands of Americans. We gutted them, and you wanted to run away from them, like a scared little bitch.

I know what you’re going to reply: F**k Kofi and the UN.

True to form:

Nobody with any sense gives half a shit what Kofi Annan has to say about anything. Nor should they!

Bush reacted by basically saying “bullshit” get those inspectors out of their, f**k the UN, f**k diplomacy, f**k peace, we’re going to invade, bomb and kill NOW

Was this supposed to be a quote from someone or something significant, or just another witless, adolescent rant?

Regardless… Saddam’s fate was sealed when he authorized the assassination attempt on President GHW Bush, and if Clinton and the Democrats had one tenth the balls they would like everyone to believe, Saddam Hussein would have been taken out right then and there. But they don’t, and they didn’t, so it was left to the current President Bush to clean up the mess left unattended to by his hapless predecessor.

Two lies from you; Clinton enabled 9/11 by gutting our military and intel capabilities, thus showing weakness that invited attack. His “surplus” was a big lie. His admin ended with a recession.

Seriously, read a book, it’s not that hard unless you have the attention span of an ant. I suggest beginning with the 911 commission report or Ghost Wars. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about and what’s more confusing, you seem supremely confident when all you can do is peddle talking points and call people liars who disagree with you. Clinton is culpable for being a pussy and calling off an offensive against Al Qaeda after the right and far left accused him of “wagging the dog” when ordering missle strikes AQ training facilities. According to neoconservatives and what you would call “code pink” types Clinton was ordering these strikes to distract people from the real issue threatening our country, infidelity with Monica Lewinsky.

Also, gratz on not addressing the base issue of a liberal administration effectively managing our budget while the following “conservative” administration brought us a RECORD DEFICIT. It’s a fucking embarrassment to the ideals of conservatism.

You got to get your collective heads checked. Only in a liberal mind can victory in Iraq over a terrorist dictator which freed 8 mil. Iraqi’s be view as a disaster

Maybe. I won’t even bother to comment on the deteriorating economic situation affecting so many Americans here at home.
But, do you have any idea how many children in third world countries are starving and dying of curable illnesses every year? This is a subject my daughter is constantly reminding of. Of their 17 million estimated deaths, many are attributable to poor parental care and education, but most simply to lack of resources. Consider how many children the initial billions and the ongoing $10 billion tossed into Iraq every year could have saved if it had been applied to extending primary health care, family planning guidance, clean water and sanitation to the poorest third world countries of Asia and Africa. I shouldn’t be talking about “countries” and their governments, but rather about the children in those countries. Thanks to the UN, and the United States and other nations, we have been able to save about 3 million children every year, but that is hardly enough.

That’s where our focus should have been. Not on a invasion viewed by the world as unwarranted and illegal, and casting doubts on anything really positive ensuing from it in a truly comprehensive assessment.

Oooops! R E C O N S T R U C T I O N ! gotta get that spellchecker fixed.

TD: You have presented nothing other than to parrot cherry-picked talking points from the mostly discredited 9/11 commission, chaired by known lying crapweasel Jamie Gorelick, who made huge profits from the Dem home loan mandate debacle.
Some reference.

Forsooth!

Grace was very liberal with her favors… especially towards those whose gratitude was expressed in an equally fulsome remunerative manner.

Why you focus on the MSM is beyond me? Be reasonable here people.

We focus on the MSM won’t conver the news, they are being propagandists for BHO, that is what people are upset with…

P: Why don’t you ask General Petraeus, if you want to know what he thinks?

An accomplishment is an accomplishment. Looking for negatives is counterproductive.

I can’t help but notice that all the lefties are squealing, spinning and denying the obvious truth here. We won, and President Bush was right. Must stick in their craw.
Tough.

overcompensating elinas, who has less time on the ground in Iraq than Barrack Hussein Obama, says:

Any inteligent and credible person would be able to see that the Iraqis view Bush as the one that destroyed their country.
Talk to a real Iraqi some time.

Though based on what overcompensating elinas writes here, one suspects he wouldn’t recognize an “intelligent and credible person” if they walked up and slapped him in the face (as all intelligent and credible persons must be tempted to do!).

JensSF87,

1. Go read the AUMF for Iraq.

2. Then go check on historical levels of combat losses for the United States Armed Forces.

3. You should then familiarize yourself with the history of insurgencies in the modern era (i.e. since the end of the 19^th Century).

4. Then you should go have a long talk with your senior NCO.

I believe your word was “retarted”

Carrick,

Liberal and Grace in the same sentence? Forsooth.

Oswaldo,

There is no undo button, no go back feature. Once the bell is rung it becomes a binary solution set: win or lose. My opinion of those who view losing as a viable option are best described as scathing.

Bush dishonored our country.

You’re still trying to engineer a victory for the US into a victory for the terrorists. Shame on you!

More lies from you, Os. The facts are not on your side here, so you just make things up. Shame on you!

Moron87: Since the real problem with terrorism is Islamofascism, it isn’t restricted to any particular country, but instead is centered in the entire ME(except for Israel and now Iraq). Get the idea? We should be killing them wherever they are. You are sadly mistaken.

Fuckin’ A JensSF87! Thanks for doing more for this country than most of the other BLOWhards here.

overcompensating elinas assumes that modern pankration is practiced in the same manner as the Ancient Greeks are reported to have; just like the modern Greeks still travel in chariots.

Rodney Graves on October 29, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Dearest Rodney. You brought up pangration and the Turks.
Your aim was to tell me to go and run naked in the streets of Istanbul.

Hey, did General Petraeus get the memo that we won the war? Get on it R108. Gees what are you waiting for?

The UN is a bloated bureacracy of kleptocrats. There are far more effective ways to feed the hungry, heal the sick and maintain the peace than the UN. (With less crime, fewer rapes and no diplomatic immunity.)

If I were to ever go to Iraq, rest assured it will not be under the cover of darkness.
As far as running naked through the streets of Istanbul, streaking is an American pastime. So I leave it to you, a “real” American.

Yes, I do. He cannot have one. The Iraqis do not view him as their saviour.

More lying bullshit from you; Saddam destroyed Iraq, and we have rescued the Iraqis and have helped them rebuild their country. Millions of purple fingers prove you wrong.

If Iraq was part of a larger terrorist network, why have we not (since the late 70′s, 80′s) taken down Iran? I have read Iran has been a thorn in our side for a long time, and that we supported Saddam to fight Iran Seems to me they have been a problem more than Iraq..

Both Iraq and Iran are problems, but of a different nature. The main reason we’re not going into Iran is due to the Dems. President Bush has had to use all his political capital to secure victory in Iraq, and now the Dems threaten to try to ruin that effort, as well. You’re right; it would be wise to reform Iran as well, but the political will just isn’t there right now, and with Obama as President, it never will. McCain might be up to the task, but still has to face resistance to victory in the ME from the Dems in Congress, whether or not they are in the majority.
Iran probably doesn’t need an invasion, since it has a much more civilized and educated population; supporting internal revolt would probably be a wiser and more successful route to take there, but it will still take considerable will to do even that. The divisive Dems will fight any more victories in the ME, IMO.

But, do you have any idea how many children in third world countries are starving and dying of curable illnesses every year?

Oswaldo, are you a trained Monkey?.. I hear “Cheeta” is still alive.
How many times do we have to hear Liberals wrap thier BoneHeaded politics up in “Saving The Children“??
So, “Save” em, Dude!

Do you know the Bush has saved “More” lives in Africa than “any” President, ever?? Ask Bono…

Hey..
Idiots!!!
In a post 911 world, “Everyone” thought Iraq was a Huge threat, so we Flattened thier Ass.Bushe’s mistake was not listening to “McCain” sooner with the Surge.
Listening to Obama is Suicide..

But. The “Fighting” has all but stopped, except for your typical mideast mad-bombers.
New Sheriff in Town. Done Deal.

The fact that we did not come home right away half a century ago doesn’t mean squat.

Actually, it does, but since you are ignorant on the subject of history, you don’t know that.

TD: I know, like most lefties, you have a real problem with the facts, especially when they refute the talking points you parrot.

TD: I know, like most lefties, you have a real problem with the facts, especially when they refute the talking points you parrot.

If facts from the 911 commission are talking points then apparently you’re refuting that report as a partisan piece of material, care to back that up?

Still terrified of quoting any sources yourself I see, continue cowering and throw the word leftie or communist in there even if it doesn’t apply, that probably doesn’t make you look like a retarded little sheep.

After reading some of the comments here, I would offer a contrast:

FDR with something around his neck upwards of one million men. Half of them killed in training exercises and in death marches led by JAPS. Thousands still MIA in Russia.

Four thousand in 4-5 years is about what we loose in peacetime training.

We saved countless Iraqi civilians and planted the seeds of democracy in that unstable region.

Those who opposed and still oppose our heroic efforts are some of the same people who will vote communist this coming election. If they can’t have us defeated on the battlefield, then they will stab us in the back on our own soil. Et tu, Brute is too nice for you.

More confused ramblings from Sparkie.

It should contain the names of all those killed on 9/11.

Yes, of course, those names should be around Bush’s head in the plaque. He let bin Laden, the man who dared attack America and kill our people on 9/11, get away preferring to get us into a wild goose chase in Iraq.
Bush dishonored our country.

Yes. That is exactly what the invasion has accomplished.

Wrong again; you just can’t seem to stop lying, Os. We deposed a brutal, murdering dictator who funded terrorism around the world, we defeated AQ in a former stronghold; we freed millions of Iraqis to determine their own future, and we established a beachhead of modern civilization in one of the most backward areas in the world.
That’s just a few of President Bush’s accomplishments in the war against terrorism, by using the brilliant strategy of taking the fight to them in Iraq, after the coward Clinton enabled them to strike us on 9/11.
We have not had another terrorist attack on US soil since, courtesy of President Bush fighting and killing the terrorists, whatever name they give themselves.

In a post 911 world, “Everyone” thought Iraq was a Huge threat

Lol, is this supposed to be a joke?

I won’t even bother to comment on the deteriorating economic situation affecting so many Americans here at home.

Of course you won’t, since it’s due to Dem social engineering triggering a phony “boom” in real estate values and mountains of bad paper which Fannie and Freddie could no longer digest and poop out on unsuspecting buyers.
The only thing that is “deteriorating” is a few markets, not the US economy as a whole, which is fundamentally strong.
Without that fundamental strength, the market wouldn’t be able to recover at all.
Once again, you spew leftie talking points, while displaying zero knowledge of reality.

If the war is over, why aren’t our troops home?

Rodney Graves-

Because of that incident I completely understand why we are nation building in Afghanistan..oops I forgot that we forgot about that country to um..focus on a country THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. I support being in Afghanistan, but Iraq is the type of scenario George W. Bush said he would exactly NOT do if elected. LIAR.

TD: More lies from you. The Clinton economy was inflated by the “dot.com” bubble; he just skated out before the full effects of his bullshit tax policies hit the economy. He also enabled ENRON; prospered under Clinton, went broke under Bush.

Yea, I’d be terrified of addressing any of your lies about AQ and Iraq too, best move on to other regurgitated talking points about the economy. Seriously, what source material have you read that makes you such an expert on middle east foreign policy to accuse others of lying so often? Given your posts I can already answer that question, NOTHING.

For instance, I’ll say that a defining point for AQ came when Bush Sr. initiated the gulf war. Bin Laden offered his Mujahideen to fight Saddam Hussein BECAUSE HE HATED HUSSEIN and the secular nature of his regime. Bush sr. offered our military and taxpayer money to help defend Kuwait, a country which in no way represented freedom or our values. Bin Laden became extremely angry with this perceived sleight and the US interference in Middle Eastern affairs. This helped recruit more terrorists and focus AQ’s anger more specifically on the United States.

When I say this I’m quoting the CIA as my source. The CIA compiled this using their own operatives and information from other intelligence agencies.

You will of course, respond with something like

Clinton enabled 9/11 by gutting our military and intel capabilities, thus showing weakness that invited attack.

Of course, you will be afraid to cite a specific source as it’s likely some snippet you heard from Rush Limbaugh or some other politically motivated source. You will continue to call others liars and tow the line like any good little neocon sheep.

I still want to see a victory parade in the streets of Bagdad with Bush leading the motorcade.

Ellinas, like you, I expected more than this:

Send him an email; why are you pestering me about it? Didn’t your mommy and daddy ever tell you that you can’t have everything you want? Grow up.

I see what you mean, Elli. It is unlikely there will ever be a victory parade in Bagdad. First of all, where the hell does anyone see a victory there? Whose victory over whom or what? Same old baloney about democracy, freedom, WMD, Al Qaeda, Saddam, UN resolutions (remember “f**k the UN?).
Oops look out, he’s still on the loose; there he goes; shoot him down:

The US rescued Western Europe from the Nazi menace; the attitude of present day Euros is a reflection of their character, not ours. You are wrong, as usual.

robert108 on October 29, 2008 at 12:16 pm

Do not change the subject of our debate. This old trick does not work with me.

Os: How much of your wealth have you “spread around” to help those children? Put your money where your mouth is! How much of his wealth has Obama “spread around” to help anyone other than himself?

Morr,

We’re ahead of the time table for troop relocation home as compared to the historical examples of Korea, Germany, and Japan. I note with interest that I don’t hear you calling for those troops to be brought home…

WOOF,

Why don’t you tell us why they’re smiling?

icbs,

Care to compare DD-214′s?

Oh, btw, yabs.

Are you afraid to say why Bush cannot have a victory parade in Bagdad?

No. What’s your point here? Do you have one?

robert108 on October 29, 2008 at 08:19 am

Yes, I do. He cannot have one. The Iraqis do not view him as their saviour.

Any facts or logic to back that up? You have no credibility.

robert108 on October 29, 2008 at 10:06 am

Any inteligent and credible person would be able to see that the Iraqis view Bush as the one that destroyed their country.
Talk to a real Iraqi some time.

Are you afraid to say why Bush cannot have a victory parade in Bagdad?

No. What’s your point here? Do you have one?
Maybe he and President McCain and VP Sarah will all go there after the inauguration. Either way, we win.
I know you’re in your usual pathological liar denial of the facts here, but that’s your problem.

ashley,

Doing something solely on the basis of race is indeed a valid working definition of racism.

overcompensating elinas,

Still waiting for you to have more time on the ground in Baghdad than President Bush or for your thunder run through the streets of Istanbul in your pankration uniform…

Oh, I keep forgetting, you’re shy (except when online).

Was the objective of the “war” to oust Sadam Hussein and his regime of thugs? I understand there was misinformation on nuclear weapons, even though Sadam did have chemical weapons. Also, Sadam didn’t help his cause by ignoring weapons inspectors and UN orders countless many times. If this is true the “war” has been over some time now, and the R E C O N S T R U C I O N of Irag has been underway.

Come back when you get pants.

Professional help remains both available and highly recommended.

You been played by the Iraqis
and the Iranians.
Stop acting like you still
have your pants and shoes.

I know from your perspective, its sweet… and you have been crawling around on your knees looking for a creative to continue licking Bush’s ass… but some of Iraq’s neighbors, McCain backers, feel differently.

“The royal family and other elites would like to see McCain,” Mai Yamani, a visiting scholar with the Carnegie Middle East Center in Beirut, said yesterday in a telephone interview from London.

“He would keep the troops in Iraq, and that is their main worry, that the U.S. may withdraw or minimize its presence,” said Yamani, whose father, Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani, was the kingdom’s oil minister from 1962 to 1986. U.S. forces are needed to counter the spread of Iranian influence from Iraq, which many Saudis believe “now is ruled by Iran,” she said.

Of course, you knew about that, since I posted on it here.