The “Stimulus” Computerized Medical Records Provision Has Implications For Gun Owners

Serious implications.
Previously I posted about a provision in the stimulus that would create a new government bureaucracy to oversea and monitor a national database of our health records. It’s troubling enough that a) our health records would all be in one place and accessible by the government and b) that the government is apparently going to be monitoring them to make sure we get government-approved health care, but what’s troubling even on top of that is the fact that the government will have access to any psychiatric evaluations you’ve had done.
Remember during anti-gun hysteria following the Virginia Tech shooting when Congress passed a bill that would deny gun ownership to anyone having a mental illness? That law ultimately passed (it was called the NICS Improvement Act). I had opposed it then with this reasoning:

Mental illness is something that is diagnosed medically. Meaning that a doctor does it, and your diagnosis is covered by doctor-patient confidentiality. So how are gun sellers going to know who does and does not have a mental condition that disqualifies them from purchasing a firearm? Are we going to start requiring that psychiatrists report these kind of illnesses to the feds who will keep it all in a big database? That sounds like a gross invasion of our privacy, not to mention something that would require a huge new federal bureaucracy costing us millions or billions of tax dollars.
Banning people with criminal records from buying guns is one thing as criminal records are public records, but banning gun sales to people with certain medical conditions is a whole new ball of wax.
And who gets to decide what sort of mental disorder does and does not disqualify one from buying firearms? If I get fired from my job, go to see my shrink and get some Prozac to help me with my depression is someone from the ATF going to show up to take away my weapons?

With the “stimulus” spending spree’s provisions’ opening up of our medical records to the government, that’s exactly what could happen.

But of even greater concern to gun owners is the fact that a government-coordinated database (which government can freely access) will now contain all records of government-provided and private psychiatric treatment -– including, in particular, the drugs which were prescribed.
Remember last year’s “NICS Improvement Act” otherwise known as the Veterans Disarmament Act? This law codified ATF’s attempts to make you a prohibited person on the basis of a government psychiatrist’s finding that you are a “danger” –- without a finding by any court. Well, roughly 150,000 battle-scarred veterans have already been unfairly stripped of their gun rights by the government.
But people who, as kids, were diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder… or seniors with Alzheimer’s… or police with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder… or people who are now theoretically covered by the new law… these people have, generally, not suffered the consequences of its sanctions YET. And the chief reason is that their records are not easily available to the government in a central, easily retrievable, computerized form.
The bailout bill would change all of that. It would push increasingly hard to force your private psychiatrist or government-sanctioned psychiatrist to turn over your psychiatric records to a massive database. This would be mandated immediately if your doctor does business with the government.

This sort of nonsense, this government power-grab, is exactly why Barack Obama and his fellow liberals want to pass the “stimulus” as quickly as possible with as little debate and scrutiny from the public as possible.

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  • http://Array 11B40

    Greetings:

    Not to place more straws on your camelback, but there is a sub-set of the medical “community” that has been agitating against firearm ownership based on its “public health” implications. These groups contend that ghetto-blasters wacking each other with their 9mm toys is sufficient reason to disarm the rest of the population. Their arguments include the cost of medical care and the “traumas” the practitioners suffer dealing with these situations.

    Similarly, President Obama’s recent applications for administration jobs included a demand for information about firearm ownership. If you can connect those two dots, how long before the medical forms you fill out include a demand for that information under the rubric of “public health” data.

  • SigFan

    Just got this from my wife, a bitter clinger herself. Take a look at what the proposed bill includes in it’s language. Time to get vocal before they even try to bring this thing to a vote.

    House Bill titled ‘HR 45, Blair Holt Licensing and Record Act of 2009′

    It will make it illegal to own a firearm unless it is registered with the database in Washington D.C.

    As a gun owner:
    1.You will have to be finger printed
    2.You will be required to provide your DL# and SS#
    3.You must maintain a valid address at all times
    4.Submit to mental and physical health records being put on file
    5.You will also be required to file any address changes
    6.Any ownership changes even if a private sale
    7.Each update will cost $25
    8.If you fail to comply you will lose your right to own firearms.

  • Wookiebush

    Yep, the new definition of mental illness will be anyone that wants to own a gun.

    As for the Veterans Disarmament bill that was passed through a while back, had the full backing of the NRA. One of the reasons I no longer am a member. The NRA was bought and sold.

    W.

  • sayanything-5371

    The real question is: would gun owners who tend to be very independent unite in an armed revolution and who would be their leaders?

    doc, We love our guns and cling to our religion, but we love our freedom more. There have always been Americans that answered freedoms call. It may sound corny or hollywoodish but some of us still are idealists, no matter how much they try to beat it out of us. I have faith in my fellow Americans to do what we have to to keep our guns and freedom. In our society they are inseparable.

  • http://bloggingredneck.blogspot.com/ The Intellectual Redneck

    While Congress and the public have been obsessed with the ‘Spendulus Bill’, three things have occurred that should make every gun owner fearful. The items are H.R. 45 introduction, confirmation of Eric Holder as Attorney General and the government medical records data base that is mandated in the stimulus bill. Let me explain. Gun ownership rights are being challenged.

  • http://www.rabidamerican.net/ Rabid American

  • sayanything-5371

    I doubt that many liberals have a clue where the first control law was enacted. It was done by Adolf Hitler in Germany in 1938. It enabled Hitler to be virtually unopposed. Recent surveys have shown that 97% of Americans believe the 2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms. There are millions of firearms owned and used by Americans, and liberal gun control advocates know this. They also know that any attempt to take guns out of private ownership will result in armed revolution inside our borders.

  • docdave

    They also know that any attempt to take guns out of private ownership will result in armed revolution inside our borders.

    Assuming they have this knowledge they are largely ignoring it as their attempts to limit private ownership would indicate. The real question is: would gun owners who tend to be very independent unite in an armed revolution and who would be their leaders?

  • docdave

    I have faith in my fellow Americans to do what we have to to keep our guns and freedom. In our society they are inseparable.

    Sure hope you’re right. I think you know what side I’m on.

  • NoJelly

    Next will come the “definition” of mental illness rewritten to include “bitter clingers”…I seriously doubt any attempt at a gun grab by a naive socialist government will turn out to be a feather in their cap…

    But then, Obammie needs a legacy beyond the bancruptsy of America, right? How about creating a civil war?

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    scarey stuff…

  • docdave

    Disarming the public is a necessary first step to complete totalitarianism. If we allow that to happen we’ll never see freedom again.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    The AMA has long been on a “guns are a disease” kick. How many times have we heard about physicians asking intrusive questions about whether their patients own a gun?

  • Mickey

    BDS is a mental illness

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Well, Vice President Biden thinks that the impulse to want to buy/own guns makes you insane.

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