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Well, well, well.  But, the female judge and all the sociologists say that their belief system is “abusive.” Wouldn’t want anyone believing in God or having married couples raise children!  Much better to be unmarried, multiple partners so no one knows who their parents are.  That way they can maximize government welfare assistance and brainwash children as young as age 3-4 that “they” know best .  I have known people who were falsely accused and have at least one personal encounter with a little female liar.

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Cheif, I have a friend who was a teacher. Two kids accused him of showing them porn on his computer. He was taken out of the class without so much as an explanation and sent home for several weeks. The FBI checked out his computer and it was clean. There was not so much as an apology and the kids were not punished. He quit teaching soon after that. He had been teaching 24 years.

Zsa Zsa.  Thank you for the reinforcement.  The trump card of being a pre or teen girl is way out of proportion.  Even the NEA had a story of a man who was arrested at his home several years after he retired.  He was finally proven innocent and the girls received no punishment (of course--they are impressionable, etc).  This case of taking away over four hundred children from their parents is unpardonable.  The judge should be disbarred.  This reminds me of the Duke University case so much, but this is far worse.  The trauma to those children may never be recovered.

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Now that, (if true), this portion of the situation is cleared up, how does one explain all the underage girls who are pregnant and the many who are already mothers? (Not to mention the hundreds who have fled and told their stories)
Our gov’ts ability to handle difficult situations is atrocious to say the least.
Also, now that the subsidy fraud is out in the open I hope something is done to cease the illegal activities and abuse of places like this.

Anna,

I’m not saying that a golden halo was around these people. They may well have done all those things - or maybe not.

The point is that a rule of law was bent to the breaking point here. You HAVE to do these things right and that’s for all of our sakes.

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Another point....much of what was uncovered criminaly in this may be no good in court. It was uncovered based not only on faulty information but on faulty information that is criminally based.

I’m not sure if Fruit of the Poisonous Tree (evidence uncovered as the result of other tainted evidence cannot be used) but it’s close.

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Anna:

Now that, (if true), this portion of the situation is cleared up, how does one explain all the underage girls who are pregnant and the many who are already mothers? (Not to mention the hundreds who have fled and told their stories)

You’re acting as if underage girls never get pregnant in normal society.  I think the numbers something like 5% of all births are by underaged mothers.

As to the “hundreds who have fled and told their stories”, can you list ten.

Otherwise you are just engaged in hyperbole.

Pilgrim, I see your point, and I’m hoping that we’re going to hear “the rest of the story” soon.  It’s strange to me that someone could apparently nail the conditions at a ranch she may never have visited--either someone is sandbagging on the real evidence being collected, or we’ve got another sad case of fabrication of evidence on innocent parties.  You are absolutely correct that if there is nothing more happening than that which we see “above the water,” something is amiss.

My take, though, is that in any polygamous group, the “rest of the iceberg” is there.  You cannot maintain polygamy over any period of time without doing something to eliminate “surplus males.” In the same way, very few people earn enough money to support, say, 15 or 20 children that could be born to multiple wives.

These requirements historically tend to produce a variety of abuses, many of them punishable by law.  If the bare facts of the polygamist narrative are true, we have an iceberg to deal with.

Or somebody is an amazing liar and needs to be put in jail.  Not pretty.

Actually, if you google you can read all of them.
Aside from that, in society outside of the compound the pregnancy rate is not skyrocketing because of the sexual activity between old men and underage girls in pretend marriages.

What is the google term I should search for to find these hundreds of unique accounts?

And what percent is between adult men and underaged girls within the compound, and how does that compare to the societal norm?  Let alone “old men”.

You’ve brought a lot of venom to the table on this issue, I’m just asking to see what you know that is substantive to back it up.

Too often our attitudes get shaped by our natural xenophobic tendencies, and by a press too willing to sensationalize the story.

Based on the lack of any evidence of fire in this story, the smoke is evidence of a smoke screen designed to hide proof of a public lynching.

In an odd coincidence, a person named Rozita E. Swinton of Colorado Springs is listed on the El Paso County Democratic Party website as an Obama delegate. I don’t know if this is the same person but it’s an unusual name.

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

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Dammit, Proof - I just found that and was about to put it in the comments.

Rats....

I was gonna call it “A Completely Unrelated But Nasty In A Fun Sort Of Way Update”.

Oh, well....I still got to use my title.

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Anna.  Do you know what the age of consent to marry is in Texas?  Would you rather they just have sex outside of marriage like 75% of urban people do?

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The fact that should ring loud and clear for all freedom loving Americans is this… Our Government has lost all sense of the rule of LAW or of a government of the people by the people and for the people.  When they get ready to come for you it will look much like what went on in Texas. The only question is. Did anything our founding fathers say have any meaning to us, or will we simply bow at the feet of our masters when we are commanded?

Even though some of these people might be guilty of some of the charges, this brings the Duke rape case to mind.  Terrible things happen when government runs a muck.

A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

Does this mean that this woman will be charged for all the costs assocciated with the false report and Stupid Raid on this church compound.  And if this is legal, why do they not have raids on all the free or almost free housing of people who are less than 2l and have children that are born out-of-wedlock when these women were l3-14-15 or 16. Fathers’ names do not need to be determined,
Bet if they went into any area south as so. Chicago or Detroit, they would find thousands of cases of children having children and all costs associated are paid by working people’s taxes.  Who will they arrest in these cases and who will care for the children??
At least, the children at the ranch were living in clean homes and getting excellent food and schooling.  And the good old USA government allows immigrants (men)openly living with more than one wife and that too is over-looked. BIG BROTHER CERTAINLY DOES NOT TREAT ALL PEOPLE THE SAME IN REGARDS TO OUR LAWS.

Anna.  I found it.  Age 16 with parental consent in Texas.  So, it appears that these marriages were legal.  The other issue is, were they registered with the State of Texas or “only” a church wedding?  An interesting question.  I will let those who shout:  Separation of Church and State answer that one.

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