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Carrick told them where to find you, I’m sure.

How would he know where I was at?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Maybe he works at the NSA?

Glad to see they were doing their job?  Harrasing innocent Americans.  And the fact that you were frightened, that doesn’t bother you?  Amber Alert, Shmamber Alert, you shouldn’t have been tagged for 30 freaking miles.  THAT’S EFFING RIDICULOUS!

“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”—V for Vendetta

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”—V for Vendetta”

Quoting a terrorist-sympathetic movie?  What is your point?  The officers were doing what they were supposed to do: try to catch a kidnapper.  When they found out who he was, they let Rob go.  What else would you have had them do?  Is part of their job to protect our feelings?  You can’t be serious.  I want them to catch the bad guys, and so does Rob, so what is your beef?  Nothing happened to you as a result of this incident.

Would you rather the police not check out people who match the description, both in person and the vehicle they’re driving, of someone who has recently abducted a child?

Get your head out of your butt.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Are you telling me that for 30 miles they didn’t already have his license plate number, ran the check and oh, DIDN’T HAVE OTHER PROFILING INFORMATION concerning the case?

Give me a break!

Dave, as I pointed out in the post, the vehicle I was driving wasn’t registered to me.  For business reasons (remember that I was driving a surveillance van) it is registered to someone else.

The police had good reason to suspect me.  I matched the description of the fugitive to a T and my vehicle matched pretty closely what he was to be driving.  Throw into the mix the fact that I was taking a winding path to get where I was going (I was traveling to a very rural address) and you can see why the guy was suspcious.

Also, and I probably should have been more clear about this in the post, the reason he followed me for 30 miles was because he had called for backup.  The fugitive is apparently armed and dangerous.  This cop wasn’t going to attempt to stop me without first getting someone to back him up.  And rightfully so.

You’re making a mountain out of a molehill here, and it is fitting that you quoted “V for Vendetta” in this instance.  The main problem with that movie is that it was meant to suggest tyranny and a police state where one doesn’t exist.

These cops did their job.  Were it my daughter who had been kidnapped this is what I’d want them doing.  It is heartening to know that our law enforcement officers take kidnappings like this so seriously.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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We’ll see if you make the no fly list.

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”—V for Vendetta

That’s the second time I heard that in the last hour.  The other was on a ‘christian’ radio show driving back from lunch.  It was said by a woman who has written a book on governments who turn on their own people.  This was the first time I ever agreed with what I heard on that show.
She will be his guest for the next few days and I may try to catch it.

I have a friend who is half Black and half White.  She and her husband have been stopped three times walking home from our dog/sports park here...doing absolutely nothing but walking home.  She has been stopped by the Border Patrol and asked for her I.D.

Now you know how it feels, Rob.  But this was your first time.  Imagine it happening on a regular basis and what that might do to your attitude and your nerves.

Lefties, being fear-based herd types, tend to use fear as a propaganda tool.  Emotionally healthy people, like Rob, don’t buy into that one.

Lefties, being fear-based herd types, tend to use fear as a propaganda tool. Emotionally healthy people, like Rob, don’t buy into that one.

robert108 on May 23, 2006 at 5:11 PM

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Yeah, right Bobby:

but I’ll be honest with you...I was pretty nervous there for a minute or two. And I’ve been around law enforcement all my life.

If the Border Patrol or police every get an APB for a sniveling little name-caller, you’d better start looking over your shoulder.

OK, going for rides with Rob is going on my list of “things that might not be smart to do,” right after ”go out for Chinese food with Lair Simon.”

Geez, I live such a boring life…

J.

It is a tough job. Give them some slack.

Sorry, I would have responded sooner, but I had to catch the bus.

At least you fit the profile… that DOES mean that they were doing their job.  So, yeah Border Patrol… I guess. 

If it were me, I would have stopped after ten minutes if I had made a few turns and asked what was the dealio.  I will not apologize for being suspicious of the police.  I don’t trust the police.  There might be good police officers, but as a whole they get negative marks in my book. 

I will leave now, put on my tin foil hat and wait for Art Bell to come on.

Good for you Rob, taking it all in stride. They were in that case doing their job. I could agree with Diane, because I’ve been pulled over for “matching the description” several times. I could have bought into the ‘they’re only doing this cuz I’m black’ mindset, but I choose to believe that there are more good cops than bad out there. Sure, it’s a drain on my time, but I’d rather be pulled over for matching a description of someone than have the cops not give a damn about catching a kidnapper.

"I don’t trust the police. There might be good police officers, but as a whole they get negative marks in my book.”

Compared to the illegals and the terrorists, they’re OK, though.  I don’t trust lefties.

If you’re calling me a leftie… I’m remarkably offended!

"If the Border Patrol or police every get an APB for a sniveling little name-caller, you’d better start looking over your shoulder.”

You describe yourself only.  We’re not responsible for your bad childhood and fear-based mentality.

When you said you didn’t trust the police, I didn’t take that as you calling me a policeman.  What is your thinking on this?  I simply stated a fact about myself. It’s not all about you.  Although, if the shoe fits, wear it.

I did say that their might be good police officers… if that’s you, then great!

Dave: You missed it.  My saying that I don’t trust lefties was the same as your saying you don’t trust the police.  Get it?  Nothing personal here, just a comment on your logical thinking process.  It’s called parallelism.

It is your intimadating appearence that got ya! As for the"government should fear the people” line, I will do the backtracking but am fairly certain one of the Founding Fathers said that. Perhaps Adams, maybe Jefferson. I’ll get back to y’all on that.

Here comes Hotel, Google! 

If you’re calling me a leftie… I’m remarkably offended!

Dave Miller on May 23, 2006 at 6:32 PM

He calls everyone a leftie who doesn’t wear military boots and genuflect to George Bush.

Thanks Diane.

And Jefferson never said the fear quote.  Ben Franklin said something like it, but I can’t recall the exact comment.

American Idol is on and I am a dork.  As much as I love political discourse and backbiting, pop culture calls.  Miller out!

No, Dhimi, I will use my Congressional Library discs to research that little tidbit. You know, that store of knowledge your husband’s Mullah forbade him to read, since all knowledge comes from the Quran? Oh! I am so sorry! Your not allowed to read the Quran, being a lowly woman and all. My bad.

American Idol is on and I am a dork. As much as I love political discourse and backbiting, pop culture calls. Miller out!

My husband is gone for two weeks and I’m playing hooky.  Have fun watching Idol.

Oh, HotelBoy.  It’s difficult to respond to such profound ignorance, but I’ll give it a shot.

My Muslim friends encourage me to study the Quran.  However, as I’ve told them, there’s not enough hours in the day to concentrate on more than one book as intense as either the Quran and the Bible and do them justice, so I’ve chosen the Bible.

Actually, my husband’s background is Native American; you know, the ones we brought diseases to and put on reservations.

Not that Native Americans cannot become Muslim.
Or Jews.  But not semitics.

If it were me, I would have stopped after ten minutes if I had made a few turns and asked what was the dealio. I will not apologize for being suspicious of the police. I don’t trust the police. There might be good police officers, but as a whole they get negative marks in my book.

Well, for most of the 30 miles we were on highways.  Rural highways, granted, but he could conceivably have just been going the same way I was.  It wasn’t until he started down a dirt road after me that I decided I should find out what’s up, but that’s when his lights came on anyway.

As for police getting negative marks in your book, that’s one hell of a way to treat the people who will come and save your life when someone is robbing your home, or the ones who will track down your little girl when somebody takes her.

I know you’re just posing for your “bad ass libertarian” schtick, but try having a little more respect huh?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I mean, seriously Dave...being suspicious of officers is one thing, but castigating them for doing their jobs is quite another.

What did you expect them to do in this case?  Pass up on the guy who looks like the person they were looking for and is driving the car that the person they’re looking for is supposedly driving?

People always give the cops crap when they can’t catch criminals, yet no one ever wants to cut them some slack when they’re the ones pulled over.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Cops are your best friend, and your worst enemy.  It all depends on which side YOU are on…

I am on my side.

Rob, which one of your buddies was responsible for your ordeal? I remember when I was hunger my friends and I would make up wanted posters of each other and hang them around the area, but your buddies did one better

Cops are your best friend, and your worst enemy. It all depends on which side YOU are on…

I’d hug you if I knew you, monkey… Very nicely said.

It’s too bad this guy had to wait 30 minutes to backup to catch up with Rob.  I’ll bet Rob was doing 90 mph and the guy was having trouble catching up to his partner

As I recall, the stolen van was possibly missing a license plate.  In any case, if I had stolen a car (and a child) I would troll a few parking lots during the early hours of Day 1 and find a similar vehicle, then take the front license plate off of that one.  It’s unlikely to be missed and would pass a cursory glance from law enforcement.

(That comes from my background in law enforcement, not a background as a criminal)

Clint
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The not-driving your own vehicle matches the profile for drug transporters, by the way.  Driving out-of-state rental vehicles on major throughways is another.  Like the time I got pulled over in central Illinois because I was driving a rental registered to the state of Mississippi.

I’d love to have statistics on how many times I see people being pulled over who are driving hoopty rides.  It’s not so much a race thing as it is an image thing.  You’d never expect a real estate agent driving a minivan to be a drug smuggler.  Nor the guy in the big-ass truck, or the person in a bimmer.

Sphaggy said:

It’s too bad this guy had to wait 30 minutes to backup to catch up with Rob.

That’s a sign of respect for our Big Boy Rob of course

Bismark, thanks for the tip on how to evade the police.  Good job soldier…

(effin duh)

As I recall, the stolen van was possibly missing a license plate. In any case, if I had stolen a car (and a child) I would troll a few parking lots during the early hours of Day 1 and find a similar vehicle, then take the front license plate off of that one. It’s unlikely to be missed and would pass a cursory glance from law enforcement.

You have a background in law enforcement? And you freely give “tips” on how to get away with kidnaping children?  Somehow I have a hard time believing you…

You have a background in law enforcement? And you freely give “tips” on how to get away with kidnaping children?

Yeah, it’s not that criminals think about this stuff all of the time.  They’d never come up with a tricky trick like that.

That’s not the point, whistler.  You’ll notice I put the word “tip” in quotes.  The point is that everyone I know that is invovled in law enforcment would look down on open discussion of ways to avoid law enforcment, even simple stuff like that…

I didn’t call the man a liar, just said I had a hard time believing him outright.

Hell, gang. I had a course of instruction in the military on evasion of law enforcement. Given, it was not US law enforcement that was the focus, all the same, the principals apply. And to be perfectly clear, Johnny Law is not your friend, he does not even like you. You are just another problem fucking up his day.

And to be perfectly clear, Johnny Law is not your friend, he does not even like you. You are just another problem fucking up his day.

Hehehehe.... yep

Johnny Law is not your friend, he does not even like you. You are just another problem fucking up his day.

Yep, so true—and he isn’t being paid enough to deal with your sorry ass.  So you have two choices:  either fuck his day up worse than it already is, or apologize for being such a stupid intrusion, and help him get back to more important matters.  It all depends on whose side you’re on. 

And Bismark, and 2H9, lets all just agree that dumb crooks should remain just that—dumb.  They get more than enough helful advice from the television, on how to get away with murder.

Yeah, some of us do get off on the various tactics of counter espionage, but as good citizens on the right side of the Law, we dont share our little tricks of the trade with just anyone, now do we?

Unless you’re just in it for the money and writing a book, or consulting for Hollywood anyway…

Marty? Are you really saying that anything discussed in this thread is new to the criminal element?

Most petty criminals are dumb f**** and yes, someone might actually learn something from that comment

Sphegetti, you guys are really reaching on that one.

Sphegetti, you guys are really reaching on that one.

Look, I’m not sure how I got dragged into this, my initial comment was only that, generally speaking, those in law enforcment do not publicly speak about ways to avoid law enforcment confrontations.  It’s just a general rule of thumb that I have noticed.  That’s all.  If I really had a problem with his comment, I’d have edited it…

that’s exactly what he is getting paid for, to sort out the bad guys from the good guys without stepping on too many good guys toes.

Yep.  And when you find your toe under a policemans foot, you have two primary choices.  You can say “OW!  Watch your step you dumb shit!”, or, you can say “Pardon me Officer, I didn’t mean to get in your way—how can I help?”

Do the second when you don’t have friendly witnesses or better yet a camcorder going.

If I really had a problem with his comment, I’d have edited it…

If you’re in the habit of editing comments around here—and I don’t know that you are—I hope you’re decent enough to add something like:

(this comment edited for national security purposes by Sphagnum)

Sorry Whistler, but I’ve been detained a few times in my life for petty bullspit, and every single time I’ve been ashamed at myself for making the poor underpaid bastard take the time to deal with a stupid sorry shit like me.  He’s either a) got more important things to do, or b) has had a crappy enough day already without me interrupting his coffee and doughnuts.

When i meet a cop, I wish them a nice and quiet evening.  I honestly hope that they have so little to do, that they actually seem overpaid.

The problem that many cops have is not knowing how to interface with the general public so they end up projecting a bad image.

Actually, I think it is the other way around.  I think most people are intimidated by cops (even my dad, who was a cop for two decades, says he still gets a little nervous when he’s pulled over) and we hate what we’re afraid of.

In 99% of cases, if you’re polite to the officer and have truly done nothing wrong you’re going to get nothing but politeness and professionalism back.  And if the cop is a little gruff with you, cut him/her some slack. 

They deal with the trash of society every single day.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Generally my experience with the police have always been pleasant.  That doesn’t mean there aren’t bad ones out there.

The ones that really get me are the petty traffic offenses that are beneath the dignity of a self respecting law enforcement officer.

For example I was once stopped in North Dakota (by Minot by the way) by a highway patrol officer while I was driving my wife’s car.  I was driving under the speed limit.

I was stopped as I didn’t have the license tabs on the car.  I told the officer that I had paid the fee and didn’t know what my wife had done with the tabs.  She confirmed that they were paid so only ticketed me for failure to display. 

Do you expect me to respect that.  I wouldn’t mind it if she tacked it on to a speeding ticket if I had been speeding.  No she was doing her tax collecting thing. 

If we want to respect our police officers we’ll quit telling them to enforce petty traffic laws.  (Major stuff-good for them.)

If we want to respect our police officers we’ll quit telling them to enforce petty traffic laws.

If we wanted to respect our police, we’d quit breaking petty traffic laws and apologize profusely when we get caught being a dumbass and wasting his time.

Whistler,

Bravo!  As irked as you may be over the traffic incident, at least you didn’t blame it on President Bush, Karl Rove, the Neo-Cons, the GOP, Christians, the US military, or other testosterone-laden American males.

Again, Bravo!

If you’re in the habit of editing comments around here—and I don’t know that you are—I hope you’re decent enough to add something like:

(this comment edited for national security purposes by Sphagnum)

Yeah, that’s what I meant.  I don’t edit comments without mentioning that I’ve doneso (unless it’s to fix HTML code or something like that)