The Obama Administration’s Lack Of Private Sector Experience In Visual Format

Proof  •  November 26, 2009

Wow:

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From the reader who sent me the link:

I don’t think private sector experience helps people be better little busy bee government activists. But perhaps private sector experience would generally tamper down the urge in people to be so activist in their government positions. Call me crazy, but I think this chart is probably the single most damning piece of evidence to show that the Obama Administration is, more than any other previous democrat administration, full of dedicated,career leftists.

I’d tend to agree with that.

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  • http://Array sayanything-279

    Congrats, this was posted at Hot Air!

  • southernyank

    YOur are missing the point. Those of you at the bottom of the public sector career ladder are not setting policy; those in the WH and on Capitol Hill are. The danger of having no private sector experience is that they are working off of a set of ideals with no practical application. All of us around the campfire singing “Kumbaya” sounds wonderful, but some of us sing better than others and some of us play instruments. We may all be singing the same song, but we are not all contributing the same amount of talent or hard work to the final effort. Those of us who are working harder want to be rewarded for our efforts, but those who are putting in no effort will reap the same benefits if the “Kumbaya” ideal is pursued. The metaphor may be a little tortured, but as a public sector employee, you are getting pasted by the policies as well. Those in charge need to understand how economies work and the tremendous disincentives of socialist policies.

  • http://www.pastormikeministry.com/ Pastor Mike

    Might I add that being servile to Wall Street in the form of lavishing them with taxpayer bonuses and bailouts is not positive private sector experience. Also, I don’t think you have to have one day in business school to understand there is a limit to money.

    For all the great potential I see in our president, I feel he is wasting it by serving the interests of Wall Street over the needs of the struggling poor and middle class.

  • Stranger

    Medicare and Social Security don’t work. Since you’re probably way older than me, you are probably for them, considering that I’m paying into a broke system that you will benefit from and I will not. Thus, I am against both of them. Plus, a lot of people who receive those monies waste them on things like junk cars and the like, and some people in that program don’t actually need the money, making it more of a ‘stimulus payment’. You subscribe to being ‘Republican’ without knowing what it actually means (You’re only subscribing to the label of being ‘Republican’) because you even reject ‘Republican’ ideas when they are presented by someone who you perceive to be Democrat. If I said I liked Rush Limbaugh, you would be against it, and you would start calling Rush Limbaugh a Democrat. You need to start thinking about the issues on hand, and not the label attached to them. Since you are pro-medicare and pro-social security, then that makes you a socialist. After all, you are using someone else’s earned money to help a stranger who hasn’t even worked for it.

  • sayanything-2

    I am 47, and will never receive a penny from either. Your Party, the Democrat Party, and you are the one pushing socialism. And if you want it fine, keep it to yourself. And go f*ck off.

  • http://www.pastormikeministry.com/ Pastor Mike

    Meh, look where private sector experience got us the last 8 years: recessions, stock crashes, 9/11, two quagmires, torture, 16% uninsured, poor domestic response to natural disasters, Sarah Palin, etc.

    I think politicians should be public servants, not servile to business interests.

    -Pastor Mike

  • jimmypop

    “The government sucks at rewarding merit and innovation. Just like it sucks at just about everything else.

    A member of the military once told me that it was infuriating to know that someone doing exceptional, courageous work on the battlefield was earning the same wage as someone of the same rank working at the Pentagon and taking two hour lunches.”

    careful…… its this kind of talk that will get you kicked out of the teamsters union.

  • Stranger

    And yes, the military does make a higher pay. I just don’t see the point in some people arguing that the public sector does not deserve ANY money. The public sector has many public servants who make less money than their civilian counterparts and way less than military people. Military people get more locality pay (on base housing, or housing allowance), combat pay, hiring incentives, and even better insurance than the private and public sector.

  • sayanything-203

    edarrell,

    Your response to what most of us consider to be significant private sector work experience is almost as impressive as Team Obama’s record of private sector job creation. Almost.

  • Stranger

    Explain to me why a Democrat would be against Medicare and Social Security. ‘lies and sh&t’ is just another way of announcing that you’re a troll- using your sentiments instead of logic to prove a point. Words like “gibberish’ are ways of creating your own ‘spin’. Please try again to make a real argument before you waste your breath again denigrating people who may or may not agree with you.

  • Stranger

    I don’t belong to the Democrat Party, so f*ck off yourself. Obviously you weren’t listening because I was telling you that this socialist system of medicare and social security is not the right way of dealing with things. However, you’re too stupid to figure that out.

  • jmurphy

    Stranger — No doubt many public employees are working hard and in less-than-desirable conditions. Any job dealing with the general public can really suck. And the continuing growth of the government leads large segments of the population to have an entitlement mentality, which sometimes manifests itself in being obnoxious to public employees.

    The point is government is doing much too much, and the preponderance of the Obama appointees coming from the public sector reveals that more government “fixes” are in our future. Government having such a large presence in our everyday lives totally perverts incentives which should reward hard work and innovation — not reward those who know how to work the political process, or those born to political dynasties.

    The country is getting just a small taste of Chicago politics, but for decades now the rewards in Chicago go to the politically connected. Want a job as a garbageman? Your local neighborhood political commissar must approve, and he will have political fund raising golf outing tickets you need to buy. Want the City to fix an alley light, or plant a tree on the parkway? Contact your local Democratic party precinct captain who will know how you have voted before that request goes anywhere. Perhaps he noticed that you did not keep your “Kerry for President” sign he forced on you in your window long enough.

    As a teenager I had friends apply for summer jobs to work as counselors in the Park District summer Day Camps,and the only people hired had to have a letter from the local Democratic Ward Committeeman, or Alderman (usually same person). So for a government funded hourly summer job for high schoolers, you had to pass a political purity test (in this case your parents’ party loyalty was checked). There is not a whit of exaggeration in that statement. There has been long standing federal court Consent Decrees trying to end this practice, but it has not been successful.

    The inertia of a large federal goverment is a problem. It is way too big to act fast (Katrina), but once a department or program is in place, it lives forever, almost always getting larger along the way.

    Well, Stranger, I would not take the statistics to be an attack on government workers’ work ethic, but an interesting fact to consider when trying to determine the direction the Administration is trying to take the country

  • jaydee007

    What it boils down to is simple.

    In order to decrease unemployment, one must do things that will help the private sector expand itself and start hiring people.

    However, when you have no people who understand the actual workings of the private sector, and in fact operate in an environment which responds to the exact opposite incentives, then you are going to be hard pressed to take the necessary actions to repair the problem.

    jd

  • Aviv

    My spiritual guidance from Christ has informed me that the cynical will always oppose inclusion, equality, compassion and understanding, so your reaction is expected.

  • Cattywompus

    I can’t speak for everyone, but my retired invalid mother paid into social security for 45 years before actually being able to collect any of it. How is it leeching off of the system when a person can no longer work and is only collecting back what they gave?

  • sayanything-2

    No, I just quit reading what you post several days ago.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    “…serving the interests of Wall Street over the needs of the struggling poor and middle class.”

    Typical Marxist, “divide and conquer” class envy rhetoric.

    The struggle is caused by lefties attacking the private sector, where all wealth is produced, and which pays all the bills for greedy govt.

    Boring.

  • sayanything-2

    Kenny, you are wasting time, it is just another lying leftard troll, or as Muslims would call it, a false mullah. Read what it first posted. Total gibberish. I got the feeling that pastormike and aviv and stranger are all one commenter, and not a very intelligent one, either. Just another Democrat, spewing lies and sh&t.

  • sayanything-2

    And another false mullah is heard from. Tell us, what does God command be done to you?

  • Patrick

    The private sector creates jobs and wealth. The government spends wealth, a.k.a. taxes. In a time where the number 1, 2, and 3 priorities should be JOBS, JOBS and JOBS, the lack of understand basic economics and private sector fundamentals show the Obama administration is made of of well educated idiots.

  • Stranger

    I am actually quite amazed at the number of non-tax compliant career politicians myself. As an employee, I know that I, as well as everyone else in my building is required to be tax compliant (that includes the security guards). How could they allow them to slip through all of the security checks? I feel that part is very unfair, probably a system of favoritism.

  • sayanything-2

    Ah, our newest leftard thinks it has an opinion. Ain’t that cute?!?!

    Why have you Democrats been working toward the destruction of mediscare and socialist security for the last 50 years? “splain dat, Lucy.

  • sayanything-2

    Apparently you savy.

  • sayanything-2

    BooYaa!!! Oop, there it is, very well put. And with that I am out, got to take the turkey and whatnot over to the aunts house. Later, y’all.

  • sayanything-2

    Well over 432, you have Cabinet members, and their STAFFS. Or are you claiming they don’t have staff? Really? What a comical little piece of sh*t you are.

    The Obama Admin is riddled with people who have zero experience working in real jobs. Period. You can spin and lie all you want, it does not change the facts.

  • brain trust

    Private sector experience helps people realize that there is a limit to money. How many years of private sector experience do our three stooges have?

  • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

    Oops, I forgot:

    Rice too seems to have only worked in a think tank. Last I remember, think tanks weren’t considered private service.

    McKinsey and Company is one of the world’s best reputed management consulting organizations — it’s where Tom Peters came from. McKinsey is rather the ne plus ultra of private sectorness. You could look it up.

  • sayanything-2

    Next it will claim it is being facetious, or sarcastic, or just playing devil’s advocate. Standard leftard sh&t spew, and nothing more.

  • sayanything-2

    Good thing my blood is deadly poison to them.

  • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

    Furthermore, a few of the cabinet members you cite as having private experience have no private experience by even your summary. Hilda L. Solis, Kathleen Sabilius, Arne Duncan (claiming sports as private experience would raise any liberal’s eye brow if it were a Republican making that claim).

    Check again. I didn’t count Solis’s experience as private sector, though her experience makes her among the most experienced in her post, Secretary of Labor, ever. Contrast her experience with Reagan’s first, Ray Donovan, or any of W. Bush’s. Sebelius beat the insurance companies in Kansas working for a non-profit — a helluva task in any context, but doubly so there — no public sector at all. What other executive experience do you choose to denigrate? Arne Duncan’s ballplaying experience probably doesn’t relate directly to his post at Education, but it is most definitely private sector (professional basketball is so private sector it needs an antitrust exemption from Congress to work in the U.S.), and it’s one of the most intense, most pure meritocracies known in human experience. I think any time spent playing professional sports counts double in private sector experience.

    Peter Orzag, at least in your description, sounds like he was part of a lobbying group, so I don’t know where to put that…Rice too seems to have only worked in a think tank. Last I remember, think tanks weren’t considered private service…but maybe things have changed.

    While you conclude that the study is bunk, you yourself have an extremely sloppy comeback study, which seems to define as private experience whatever is convenient at the time.

    I don’t know how you get “lobbying” out of business consulting. Orszag set up a quickly successful, high-powered, high-dollar business selling economic forecasts and advice to businesses — banks, airlines, manufacturers, construction companies, etc. But of course, your goal is to denigrate private sector experience, especially when it’s smashingly successful, in an Obama appointee. It’s a fool’s errand, and I didn’t think you’d take to it so enthusiastically.

    Obama’s cabinet is a group of relative superstars, much more highly qualified than many we’ve had in the past, and all combinations during the previous administration. Better than Clinton, too, in qualifications.

    Of what relevance is private-sector experience in saving the nation’s economic ass, by the way? Among other failings of the original chart: There is no case to be made that private sector experience makes any difference in recessions or depressions, with the possible exception of J. P. Morgan’s self-aggrandizing bailout of banks himself in the Panic of 1907, which led directly to the creation of the Fed.

    Good policy is good policy regardless its source. The chart indicates nothing so much as the author’s blind, unfounded hatred of All Things Obama. Had Obama appointed Jesus Secretary of Religion and Mohammed Assistant Secretary, this guy would have complained they lacked public sector experience.

  • sayanything-2

    Says the liar mullah. Whatever, troll, continue to spew your fantasies and lies, no one here is buying any of it.

  • sayanything-2

    And this,”author’s blind, unfounded hatred” is f*cking comical, coming from a leftard. So, I was exhibiting “blind, unfounded hatred” when I spent 2 years hammering the Bush Admin for THEIR a$$hole Cabinet members? Right, whatever, leftard.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    “The public sector has many public servants who make less money than their civilian counterparts and way less than military people.”

    Fact: On average, public sector employees make 26% higher pay for equivalent jobs than the private sector. Furthermore, the standards of performance for public sector workers, since they don’t produce profits, are generally lower than the standards in the private sector, with public sector workers having greater job security and better benefits(paid for by the taxpayers who are being paid less in the first place).
    Contrary to your earlier statement, no one wants public sector employees to be paid nothing; we just want to pay them what they’re worth, not what we’re mandated to pay them by sweetheart contracts “negotiated” by public sector employee unions, which are exempt from antitrust legislation.
    It’s also a bit hard to swallow the “public servant” claim when those same people issue one mandate after another, and when Obama eats wagyu steak in a White House with the thermostate turned up to “Hawaii”, while American citizens froze and went hungry in the dark last winter.
    Obama also calls for us to “serve the govt”; not much of a “public servant” at all.
    That also includes the Dem Congress.

    We pay them, and they tell us how to live our lives. That’s just wrong.

  • Aviv

    I am a Jewish and Muslim Christ-following democratic socialist. As a missionary and a Christian minister, I am a dual citizen, mostly spending my time in USA and Israel. I reject nationalism and allegiance to any one flag or nationality.

    I believe in a mixed economy that meets the needs of all individuals and communities, not just the rich few. I reject the “trickle-down” economic theory of finance capitalism promoted by Reagan, Bush I and II, and Obama, which has never led to sustained and consistent wealth distribution. I believe Christ would support the forgiveness of all debts.

    I believe Christ supports empathy, social justice, Creation protection, and healthcare for all. I believe His teachings are compatible with Judaism, Islam, Eastern religions and secular-humanist philosophies. I am pro-life and pro-choice, a nuanced position only an intellectual can hold.

    As a progressive socialist I don’t support Obama, a rightwing finance capitalist molded by the very people and institutions (Summers, Bush, Wall Street, bankers, etc.) that caused the social, economic and diplomatic crises the global community is in today.

    I believe Christ would support peace and oppose war, greed and terrorism.

    “I tell you the truth, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” – Jesus Christ

  • sayanything-2

    Its called the 10 Word Doctrine. If within the first 10 words you encounter the same drivel as before you simply skim the rest and proceed to the derision heaping phase of the operation. Savy?

  • jakezara

    in fact SOME of us have a hard time paying our bills, and thousands of us go without insurance and don’t even get dental or medical care.

    Welcome to my world.
    Conservative to the bone!!!!!

  • sayanything-203

    I reject the “trickle-down” economic theory of finance capitalism promoted by Reagan, Bush I and II, and Obama, which has never led to sustained and consistent wealth distribution.

    First, the phrase “trickle-down” is an invention of those, like you, who disparage American free market capitalism, either because they do not understand it, or because they are so woefully incompetent at taking advantage of the opportunities presented, and too resentful of those who do.

    Second, you have witlessly placed the cart before the horse, and then expressed your dissatisfaction at not getting anywhere. The purpose of the American economic system isn’t to distribute wealth. The purpose is to create it. Without first creating it, there’s really nothing to distribute, is there?

    Finally, your self-proclaimed ethno-religious heritage is certainly unusual, but it is hardly relevant to a discussion about private sector economic development. The choice to opt out, as did your Essene forebears, is yours to make, but I suspect followers are going to be a bit hard to come by.

  • Stranger

    Well my experience is that the ‘general public’ who works in the private sector does not appreciate at all the service that our public servants provide at all. Some of us spend every day being personally insulted for things we do not do, while we are attempting to help them help themselves the best they can. The ones at the bottom usually aren’t making the policies, don’t get many benefits or a lot of money, so I don’t think it’s fair to say that ALL public service workers are spoiled brat activists who are only in it for themselves. Another thing to note is that the public sector is the industry with the most veterans hired, and as far as I know, all of you are quite pro-veteran. They have an incentive going on to make the public sector be comprised of more than 1/4 veterans by veterans day next year. And also, Obama is cutting raises and has made the price of insurance go up for the public sector, citing that we make too much money when in fact SOME of us have a hard time paying our bills, and thousands of us go without insurance and don’t even get dental or medical care.

  • sayanything-2

    Glad you pointed that out! I almost missed it. pastormike has his leftist patter down, smooth. Too bad ain’t no one here buying. Except maybe stranger. Unless they are one in the same.

  • sayanything-2

    Yes, spewing socialist crap usually gets the same response from human beings, false mullah.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Pastor Mike: I think, if you looked closely enough, you’d see the fine hand of government intervention and regulation in the recession and stock crashes of the last eight years. (The last three years under Pelosi and Reid and the last year under D’Oh-bama.)

    And you certainly don’t expect to be taken seriously by trying to blame 9/11 on anyone at a cabinet level of government having real world experience, do you?

  • Aviv

    You have serious mental problems, 2hotel9.

    Either that or you’re no older than 13.

  • sayanything-2

    Catty, that is how it was supposed to work. The system was radically changed from that early on, and changed even more by Lyndon Johnson.

  • PoliticalDiety

    I’m reminded of an interesting statement one of our public school teachers said at last year’s town meeting. He said “I can’t afford to live in this town because you don’t pay me enough. You have to pay teachers more.” By the way, 95% of our town taxes already go to pay for just the school. Later in the town meeting the same teacher said “The taxes are so high in this town I can’t understand how people can afford it.”
    That teacher teaches high school math and social studies. You draw your own conclusions.

    Public Service both of the city hall variety, as well as the various town service levels, does not attract the brightest and most ambitious or the most capable. I know people hate hearing that, especially if they happen to be less-bright, less-ambitious or less capable.

    No? I’m sure I must be mistaken. All those people who work in government love their jobs so much they want to do that job where they are under-appreciated and underpaid just for the good of society. I’m sure you all turned down hundreds of offers for higher paying jobs with great benefits for totally selfless reasons. No?

    Keep the indignation to yourselves. Follow the eleventh commandment and you’ll be happier people. Commandment #10: “Don’t believe your own BS.”

  • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

    No, I’m merely noting that the original chart compared only cabinet members. From William McKinley to Obama, there have been 432 cabinet members. No one before has suggested looking at staffs.

    If you want to count staffs, there is no source of such data.

    The Obama Administration is riddled with people highly qualified for their jobs, like Steven Chu who won a Nobel Prize for his private sector work. You can’t spin that away. If you have some facts, let’s see them. The reality is this: 77% of Obama’s cabinet have significant, real world work in the private sector, in addition to many other qualifications which makes this in many ways a superstar cabinet. Arne Duncan has real world experience in reforming education, in the private sector and in the public sector — contrast that with Bush’s last education secretary, Margeret Spelling, with 100% non-private sector experience in lower-level positions, never in charge of any education agency, never in charge of any significant workforce.

    In contrast to the suckups in Bush and many other previous administrations, Obama’s cabinet is loaded with people who have real world experience, and people who have reputations as great leaders of organizations and great leaders in their field.

    What is it you have against leadership? Why do you want to “spin” that away?

    We’re talking the current 22 members of the cabinet, and others in cabinet positions, not the thousands of staffers.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    Free enterprise economics isn’t a “theory”, either. It’s founded on the law of supply, demand and price.

    It is the theories of Marx and Keynes which have been debunked and disproved by actual experience.

  • deadrody

    Stranger – I don’t think anyone here is attacking public sector workers. There may be issues there that are open to debate, but that’s not the issue here at all.

    We’re talking about high level administration officials with 20-30 years of work experience. And only 10% of those people have EVER worked in the private sector. How, exactly, are you supposed to govern the entire nation when your administration only includes people with experience in a small segment of it ?

  • sayanything-9974

    They aren’t very experienced at tax paying either. They appear to be the dregs that have fed off of the corruption that is the left. That is why they marveled at the pronouncement last month that the ecomony was on the way back, but didn’t grasp the concept that the economy does not grow as government does. Actually quite the opposite. The Dem/Libs have not been right about any economic policy since JFK cut taxes.

  • Sparky

    Dear Idiot and his band of stooges are pushing forward with their marxist agenda of eliminating everything “private”. That means jobs, property, stocks, bonds, bank accounts…you name it, the federal government will own it. Thanks 52% of the jackasses who voted for this communist jerk and his radical turds that help deliver his evil and sickening agenda.

  • Stranger

    “Possibly you should realize that your chosen vocation was never intended to support a lifestyle to which you have become accustomed. Those like you who leech off the system made successful by those who take chances should not be rewarded with an equal lifestyle.”

    And what lifestyle would that be? I worked from 6pm to 5:30am with no insurance and got laid off 2 weeks before I was eligible. Would you call that a lavish lifestyle of laziness in the public sector? There are thousands like this every day and all of us pay our taxes. Currently I’m in the portion that does get a small bit of benefits, but most of my money will be taken away by taxes as I’m having a hard time making my bills. I wouldn’t call it “leeching off the system”. It’s a job. If you want to completely rid the system of the public sector, then for get about Homeland Security, forget about policemen and firemen. Do it all yourself. Soldiers are paid from the same money as well and there are quite a bit of them that are NOT on the battlefield. A good example of ‘leeching off the system’ is more like Medicare and Social Security. Some people in the public sector and private sectors may choose not to work and not to help out, but I have chosen to be as productive as they allow me to be.

  • Aviv

    How do you know so much about Islam and Judaism, Kenny? You are neither; I am both.

    You must attend mosque and synagogue regularly to truly understand both religions.

  • sayanything-1317

    You are neither. One cannot be a Jew and a Muslim, anymore than one can be a Christian and an athiest.

    You’re a liar who is simply trying to appeal to his own authority to cover up his idiocy.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The Obama administration has lavished far more on Wall Street than Bush ever did.

    And guess who got more wall street money than any other politician not named Chris Dodd in the last election cycle.

    Barry Obama.

  • edarrell

    I am not surprised that his administration lacks work experience in the private sector.

    So, you would be surprised to discover that 77% of his cabinet actually has significant work
    experience?

    I find it interesting that so many people fail to look at the chart and say “what a crock that must be — what’s this guy’s methodology?”

    By his criteria, Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, and James Baker III are incompetents who should never have been allowed to serve as dogcatcher. Doesn’t that suggest a bit of a problem with the methodology?

  • sayanything-1317

    You know, I will go more into this for those who aren’t false prophets who claim to hear the word of God that contradicts the religion he claims to support.

    While one can be an ethnic Jew, supporting of Christ (such as Jews for Jesus), one cannot be a Muslim supporter of Christ (as Islam is a religion, not a race or ethnicity). Once one renounces Islam, they lose all claim to their “Muslim status” and simply becomes a follower of Christ. Under Muslim law, religious heretics are given a special place in hell worse than that of the athiest or the polythiest. Mohammad went so far as to announce that those who renounced their faith could be killed.

    Furthermore, Muslims deny the divinity of Christ, and deny that he ever claimed divinity (which is contradicted by the Jews, the Christians, the Romans, and the historians). Those who ascribe partners to Allah are unclean. And without seeing Christ as divine, he is simply a heretic, who has damned billions of people to hell for their false belief.

    Under Jewish tradition, the heritage is passed down from mother to son, and in Islamic tradition from father to son. (This is why most schools of thought have banned Muslim women from marrying unbelievers). Any Muslim who would pass his faith to his son would be required to deny the Jewish faith of his wife, or fully have her converted.

    Given all of this, the claim of being a “Jewish Muslim follower of Christ” is laughable at best. And it shows a complete ignorance of the teachings and traditions of all three faiths.

  • sayanything-81

    we should also see age information to accompany this.

  • sayanything-1317

    You spout socialist nonsense, which is at direct odds with the Bible. You also spout religious inclusionism, that all religions are equal, which is at direct odds with Christ. In other words, you’re either a fool who is unable to understand anything, who fancies himself an intellectually (undeservedly I will add), or you are a liar who wraps himself in the cloak of compassion and understanding to try and seem less offensive.

    Either way, like the other fake Pastor above, you are dismissed.

  • sayanything-1317

    And the idea that debts should just be forgiven is also unbiblical:

    http://www.christian-attorney.net/bible_bankruptcy.html

    Bankruptsy is supposed to be a last ditch effort for those who are so poor that they can never repay their debts. If one can repay debts they are morally and legally obligated to do so. Even if it is hard. If one can repay part of the debt they should do so.

    The idea that Christ would support health care is not biblical either. Simply wishful thinking by progressives.

    The idea that one can be “pro-choice” is so at odds with the bible that it’s not funny. The bible forbids deliberately (or even accidently) causing a miscarriage to a woman, and assigns a penalty to it.

    “If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

    “And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth . . .”–Ex. 21:22-25

    The bible clearly points out that it is wrong.

    Another false pious man ignores the word of God and calls himself Godly. Beware of men who think themselves wiser than God. They are never wise and rarely Godly.

  • sayanything-1317

    The original chart posts the number of cabinet officials at 432, not 22. So, even if your next points were correct (they aren’t), your analysis of 22 people doesn’t disprove the rest…as even if your anaylsis was 100% private…that would be 5% of the cabinet. Furthermore, cabinet positions that are unlikely to have private sector…such as military, were excluded. That means Gates would be excluded.

    Furthermore, a few of the cabinet members you cite as having private experience have no private experience by even your summary. Hilda L. Solis, Kathleen Sabilius, Arne Duncan (claiming sports as private experience would raise any liberal’s eye brow if it were a Republican making that claim). Peter Orzag, at least in your description, sounds like he was part of a lobbying group, so I don’t know where to put that…Rice too seems to have only worked in a think tank. Last I remember, think tanks weren’t considered private service…but maybe things have changed.

    While you conclude that the study is bunk, you yourself have an extremely sloppy comeback study, which seems to define as private experience whatever is convenient at the time.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    It’s in the post at the very top.

  • MarkSD

    Your statement is so very true, at least it was when I was in the Army during Viet Nam. But hey, us that did serve on the battlefield got an extra 50 bucks a month. It was called “combat pay”!

  • sayanything-1317

    Except Christ has told you no such thing. In the Bible it says that the only way to the father is through him. Similar ideas are in both Judaism and Islam. Saying that all three are right is mindless stupidity endlessly repeated only by the vapid and shallow. One (or even none) of them is right. The others are wrong.

    But seeing as how you spout other inanities regardless of their biblical inaccuracy, perhaps you are serious, and are just stupid…instead of lying.

    Christ demanded hard work. He demanded that one pay their debts, and, while he encouraged mercy and forgiveness, there is no shortage of Christ saying that those who will not help themselves deserve no charity.

    Read the parable of the talents and come back, false pastor.

  • bigurn

    Can you post a link to the original graph?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I think the reputation bureaucrats get has a lot to do with the environment they work in.

    The government sucks at rewarding merit and innovation. Just like it sucks at just about everything else.

    A member of the military once told me that it was infuriating to know that someone doing exceptional, courageous work on the battlefield was earning the same wage as someone of the same rank working at the Pentagon and taking two hour lunches.

    I expect the same thing happens in a lot of branches of the public sector.

  • sayanything-81

    They should superimpose the stock market performance and poverty levels for those time periods over this graph.

    As it stands, it isn’t telling of the effects of these trends in the world and will only get a rise out of people who have an aversion to academic, military, or post-office types.

    For example, how are we to interpret the vertical axis? % of cabinet members with private sector experience? % of private sector experience compared to other-sector experience in the cabinet as a total of, say, aggregate years in the saddle?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    No, in general the public sector makes significantly more than the private sector. And nobody is saying the public sector shouldn’t make anything.

    Let’s not be attacking strawmen.

    But hey, if the public sector is so awful change jobs.

  • edarrell

    The original chart posts the number of cabinet officials at 432, not 22. So, even if your next points were correct (they aren’t), your analysis of 22 people doesn’t disprove the rest . . .

    The original chart claims 10% of the current cabinet of 22 has “private sector” work experience. That’s clearly wrong.

    Since then we’ve heard the originator of the chart has some odd views of what “private sector” means — so if you’re a professional, like a physician, or an accountant, or a lawyer, the service is discounted.

    The chief point remains, and my analysis provides ample evidence: Obama’s cabinet is among the highest qualified ever. The chart from the guy at J. P. Morgan is sour grapes, indecipherable, not capable of any kind of scientific replication, and wrong on its own bizarre rules.

    Yeah, there, the guy claims, 432 cabinet members between 1900 and 2009. I didn’t profess to do an analysis of all 432, nor the bizarre logic that claims that slinging burgers at McDonald’s counts more than a lawyer defending Microsoft from the government’s antitrust charges. I suspect that he’s equally in error on all the other 410.

    My next points aren’t correct? I dare you to provide data that shows Steven Chu didn’t work for Bell Labs. My next points are correct, and anyone can check them to see — which distinguishes my work from the original.

    Don’t take my word for it. Do your own legwork. You won’t be able to verify the original chart, either.

  • edarrell

    The original chart posts the number of cabinet officials at 432, not 22.

    Surely you are not claiming the president’s cabinet is 432 people. Are you?

  • sayanything-1317

    There’s a commandment in the Bible that demands you not covet of your neighbor.

    You’re kinda breaking the faith there pastor.

  • sayanything-58

    “They have an incentive going on to make the public sector be comprised of more than 1/4 veterans by veterans day next year”
    Did it ever occur to you that given this administration’s (and the left’s in general) hostility to the military, this may be their cynical way of winning over veteran’s votes- by co-opting them? It has occurred to me, but maybe I’m just being skeptical, huh?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Ramsey/507267166 facebook-507267166

    Obama is not a liberal. He is a far-left radical Marxist (of course he would deny that).
    I am not surprised that his administration lacks work experience in the private sector.
    The left captured Academia a long time ago and have brainwashed a generation with texts
    from Saul Alinsky, Noam Chomsky and Herbert Marcuse.
    These are the children of the 60s and 70s radicals who see nothing wrong with sucking
    blood from the flesh of ordinary Americans.

  • sayanything-58

    I believe you are making that shit up about yourself. Nobody can be pro-choice and pro life- you are just a dumbf*ck, and probably a mail-order minister, to boot.
    I believe Jesus wants us to “Work out our own salvation, with fear and trembling”- which would include being reponsible enough to repay our debts, and preclude being some kind of deadbeat looking for debt forgiveness, free healthcare, and “social justice”, a meaningless term if ever there was one.
    I believe Jesus would want peace, but understands it is not in man’s nature to avoid conflict.
    I believe if you think Obama is right-wing, you are from another planet.
    I believe capitalism as we know it is the best system ever yet devised to provide the most people with the highest standard of living ever known in the world- even the “poor” among us in this country live better than kings did 100 years ago.
    And last of all, I believe you should have your cranial-rectal inversion treated. God bless you, you misbegotten oxygen waster.

  • sayanything-6955

    Name those flaks in this administration with “real world experience”, I need a sunday morning laugh. Van Jones? oops he was just a czar wanna be, Valerie Jarret? Tim Geitner? Leadership? By whose definition? You are a fool.

  • sayanything-1317

    A debate is not usually reserved for the two people in the debate. It is to sway minds that are on the fence. If anyone was reading, who could be swayed, then the response was for them. While Aviv cannot be swayed from his foolishness, he may be less likely to go running his mouth after a smackdown.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Wait…the private sector brought us 9/11?

    That’s some high quality stupid righh there.

  • edarrell

    Obama’s appointees are among the best qualified for their posts of any cabinet, perhaps since Lincoln. The chart is a bit of a crock, and I detail the problems with it, cabinet member-by-cabinet member.

  • sayanything-4056

    Possibly you should realize that your chosen vocation was never intended to support a lifestyle to which you have become accustomed. Those like you who leech off the system made successful by those who take chances should not be rewarded with an equal lifestyle.

  • Anonymous

    Say anything, but please try to be more accurate so the “anything” you say has some value, eh?

    http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/obamas-well-qualified-cabinet-conservatives-hoaxed-by-j-p-morgan-chart-that-verifies-prejudices/

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