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Yeah, right.  How many “News” organizations have you seen get upset that sombody used that word and literally go after them through boycott?

In reality, its FOX that went after companies that said “Happy Holidays”......another fine example of right-wing spin.

S T U P I D, AND scary.

And here’s the bigger lie:

Who thinks Christmas is all about Christ?  If you think that, then tell me the date Christ was born!

Yes H, the date of Christs birth was lost in the first several hundred years after His birth.  Turns out that what with the persecutions and all they couldn’t keep track.

Do you have a point?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Hannitized and I hope sterilized, no matter the actual date of birth or even the pagan origins of celebrating Christ’s birth on December 25 each year, or even the fact that such an observance is not found in Scripture; most of the world is reminded of Christ at this time of year, reminded of the greatest gift ever given to man and are reminded of the precious gift of acting in kindness to those in need. America has made it into one of our most cherised ‘seasons’ of the year and I think God will forgive us our inaccuracies and some of the less seemly parts of Christmas, as we are honoring and worshiping His son and by that Him. If most of the world does not observe Christmas as a means of remembering Christ, the message still gets through to a few and they discover their need for Christ in their lives and that is very good indeed.

Yeah, right.  How many “News” organizations have you seen get upset that sombody used that word and literally go after them through boycott?

You are right about the Left not boycotting those that celebrate Christmas, God bless them liberals; they just pass laws that are hostile to Christ and the Church, contrary to over 150 years of our history as a nation. They have kicked Him out of the public square and made any mention of him on public property into a violation of the Constitution, based on a lie manufactured out of whole cloth by another KKK member who was a Democrat and was a partner with FDR in the Court Packing Scheme. No, boycotts necessary, just make Christmas and Christ a crime, that’s what your pals do in protest.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Nieman:

Hannitized and I hope sterilized,

Best one liner of the day.

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CHRISTmas sure isn’t about Kikes and Sandnigger, atheists or what ever other falsehoods that exist.

The hell with the “diversity tree” Jesus is the Tree of Life.

then tell me the date Christ was born!

Now whether that’s the year that we consider 0 A.D., that’s another matter!

Probably in the Spring, since you had shepherds watching over their flocks by night. But, as far the date you can celebrate Christmas (Christ’s Mass), that would be determined largely by those who hold masses, I would think? A group of largely religious fellows last time I looked!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

CHRISTmas sure isn’t about Kikes and Sandnigger, atheists or what ever other falsehoods that exist.

I’m sure that Jesus, who was born a Jew, would forgive you if you asked him!

The rest of us may reserve judgment…

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

I think the scholars think that Jesus was born before 0 AD because of trying to reconcile the gospels with known historical facts.

Turns out there wasn’t a lot of great record keeping for common folks (as Jesus was born).

So really the date of His birth isn’t important, but it is definitely worth celebrating.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Wetback

CHRISTmas sure isn’t about Kikes and Sandnigger, atheists or what ever other falsehoods that exist

Your saying bizarre things like this is what makes others treat you with contempt!

No real Christian would ever refer to Jews as Kikes or Arabs as sandniggers. He created and loves every human being unto His own suffering and death on their behalf, He died for them all, you cannot place those vile words in Jesus’ mouth and so they should be in our mouth or mind either.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I think the scholars think that Jesus was born before 0 AD because of trying to reconcile the gospels with known historical facts.

I respectfully disagree. The New Testament is full of historical references, most of which were validated by other extant, secular historical documents, which would give us at least a very close approximation. Proof was right about it probably being in the Spring, on the other hand the actual date is of little spiritual importance except to eschatological scholars.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

It’s inconsequential to me what year He was born, but there appear to be some valid reasons to think that the historical year chosen (O) is inaccurate. 
Here’s a discussion. I don’t claim to be an expert by any means.

Of course Jesus was born on time, it’s the calender that would be off.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler: I agree with its being unimportant and whatever date it was - was perfect. I was only saying that the estimated year should be fairly close when Scripture uses historical figures and events for that time as do secular historians of that time. Quite frankly, I won’t get too deep in this matter because, as Jesus said, His perfect wisdom would confound those thinking themselves wise (scholars) and I cannot see how the exact date or even getting the year right changes anything for people of faith.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I can’t believe nobody noticed that it is impossible to have a year 0. It went from 1 BC to 1 AD.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

True Jesus died for everyones sin, but only His chosen are saved. Not everyone. You can goto church every Sunday, give to the poor and all. Only they who have the Spirit are saved.

Proof: what does it mean to be a JEW? explain to me what you think being a JEW is please. Who are those who are pretending to be a JEW?

The word JEW restrains the truth. Pick up the bible and read it for your self and see the difference between this Jew and that Jew even thought their both called a Jew.

Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Nothing has changed God’s chosen have been his chosen since there spiritual birth in Heaven.

Wetback:
(1) Your anti-Semitic views are not supported by God’s Word, neither are you anti-Arab views.
(2) Your ideas about predestination (election) are likewise not supported by Scripture, if it is then you have to get that nasty word ‘whosoever’ out of Scripture, it is all inclusive to everyone that accepts Jesus as Savior and Lord.
(3)This is not the place for such weighty debates. (4) Your hatred of the Jews and Calvinistic views on predestination are part an parcel of your heterodox Christian beliefs and not in the Nature and Character of a Loving God.

I would send you my teaching on Predestination, but Rob’s email program would not permit such a long document.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Read the Bible and you will see that Neiman has no idea what he is talking about. Why would Jesus say to anyone then that they are are the seeds of satan, and that they are not of his flock?

Why would Jesus say only those who born in Heaven return to Heaven?

Read the bible yourself don’t believe me or Neiman.

I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth (John 17:15-19)

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. (John 17:9-10)

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: (Ephesians 1:3-4)

From Beginning to end read the bible, it’s easy to throw out verses like the above. So it’s important that you know the whole picture.

Whistler, nice blog even if WETBACK is trying to ruin it with his man crush on Neiman.

Neiman I almost think your too intelligent to be responding to WETBACKS racist rants. I wouldn’t even bother with him anymore.

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Happy Holidays from Billow Riley

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I always love a “chicken/egg” debate! It is almost as funny as as assbags, like sannitized, attempting to pretend that Christians and Christmas have not been the focus of a concerted campaign by the political left. Wow, I am glad the be home!

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contrary to your post Christmas is alive and well in America.
In my neck of the woods the malls and grocery store were well stocked with merchandise, Christmas sales signs everywhere,people were shopping like crazy and to top it off our schools are closed for two weeks so the Christian students can spend the Blessed day with their families.
The best thing about this Christmas though is that no JEW* from the ACLU filed any lawsuits to prevent the celebrations.
*Jewish attorney.

Yes H, the date of Christs birth was lost in the first several hundred years after His birth.  Turns out that what with the persecutions and all they couldn’t keep track.

Do you have a point?

Whistler,

You mead aside from the POINT that the comic is a joke onto itself?  You mean besides the point that it’s the right who is persecuting people who say Happy Holiday instead of Merry Christmas?  Besides that one, that you ignored?  Yes.  Yes I do.

The point is that Christmas ISNT about Jehova, or the goodness he might have brought and stood for.  It’s quite obvious that it’s about shopping and pagan holidays.  Ever heard the expression “How many shopping days till Christmas”?  Where is the term that expresses Americas desire to countdown the days to worship God on Christmas?  In how many movies over our lives have you seen a single Christmas movie that dealt with the religious undertones of the Holyday?

I submit none, if not a few.  All the ones we know of....don’t.

Ah, no Holiday Season would be complete without a large dollop of JOOOO hate from e, to go along with sannitized’s bouillabaisse of leftarded stupidity.

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Ah, no Holiday Season would be complete without a large dollop of JOOOO hate from e, to go along with sannitized’s bouillabaisse of leftarded stupidity.
2Hotel9 on December 31, 2007 at 08:36 pm

Can you deny that Jewish lawyers from ACLU filed suits against Christmas decorations/celabrations?
Other than that happy new year dahling.
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/06b/indianriver.html

John Reinstein, Legal Director of the ACLU of Massachusetts. “We are confident that the court will preserve the principles of religious liberty and free speech and rule in favor of our client, no matter how asinine and poorly-written their ads are.”

Catholic League: For Religious and Civil RightsFramingham, MA—Robert Meltzer, a Jewish attorney, filed a lawsuit in ... Chester County, PA—The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed suit against the ...
http://www.catholicleague.org/annualreport.php?year=2003&id=81 - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

I can find more dahling.

More JOOOO hate. My, my. You are absolutely terrified of Jews, and blacks, and whites, and everyone else. What a sad, tiny minded little excuse for a life you live.

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Ever heard the expression “How many shopping days till Christmas”?

Did you actually discover on your own that there is a commercial side to Christmas?

Where is the term that expresses Americas desire to countdown the days to worship God on Christmas?

The season is Advent and the countdown mainly for the kids is the advent calender.

In how many movies over our lives have you seen a single Christmas movie that dealt with the religious undertones of the Holyday?

We don’t go to the movie theater for that.  We go to Church.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Did you actually discover on your own that there is a commercial side to Christmas?

Cute, your making funnies.  But can you point me to where the overwhelming feeling of love for Christ overpowers the commercial interest?  No.  Therefore, it’s simply a holiday, not a holyday.  Therefore, Happy Holidays is appropriate because there is no overwhelming sentimate that the day is about Christ.  So there is no reason to get upset about the dumb expression.

Further, are you upset about the WAR on Christmas because the overwhelming interest on Christmas is about shopping and not Christ?  Where is your action and disgust or argument about that?

The season is Advent and the countdown mainly for the kids is the advent calender.

Its that and its also a reminder for parents, so they can shop in time to make sure they buy presents for everyone.  It’s not a rush to make sure people go out, door to door to talk about Christ.  Further, where is the public expression that teaches children about the importance of Christ’s birth, instead the commercial rush to buy presents.

This is another right wing non-argument.

We don’t go to the movie theater for that.  We go to Church.

Yes, but the fact that Christ has hardly ever been associated with Christmas going back to....heaven knows when (in our culture), it goes to demonstrate that America doesn’t put a whole lot of interest around Christ’s birth.......they put it around Santa Clause, elves snowmen and.......PRESENTS.

Give me a break Whilster.  Make an argument, because that sure as heck wasn’t one.

Give me a break Whilster.  Make an argument, because that sure as heck wasn’t one.

Coming from a guy who’s comment consisted of nothing but yes but and don’t make fun of me that’s somewhat amusing.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

OK,

Here’s your challenge Whistler.  If you run away, and I know you will, it proves you dont have an argument or that you know your fighting a loosing battle

You insist I didn’t make an argument, yet my challenges will prove that I did, so you here you go:

1) Can you show me anywhere in our Holiday traditions that point us to Christs birth over the commercial interests?
2) Can you explain why we aren’t mad about movies that exclude the story of Jesus’s birthday, or why we aren’t mad that Santa doesnt talk about Christ?
3) GIve me one public and common expression that shows we are MORE interested in Christs birth than the commercial interest of Christmas.
4) Give me on example of a message in our American traditions of Christmas teach our children about christ and not Santa Claus.

What your lack of evidence will determine is that our rich American culture of celebrating the holiday, Santa Clause, elves and rushing to buy presents instead of focusing on the birth of Christ will prove is that THERE IS NO REAL CONCERN TO BE WORRIED ABOUT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS “HAPPY HOLIDAYS”, because there is no Christ in our holiday to begin with. 

Further your lack of evidence will prove there has never been any anger over the ongoing American tradition to exclude the message of Jesus from our celebrations....it just isnt there and it never was, except in private.

So to reiterate, the whole point of the excercise will prove that Americans have never been angry of the lack of message about Christ in our holiday traditions.  And therefore, to arbitrarily single out a phrase “Happy Holidays” is really nothing more than another right wing non issue that does little more than create more anger and bitterness between our two parties.

Americans say Happy Holidays because there is also New Years and Hanukkah and all the others and you are afraid you might miss one of them or say the appropriate greeting.  So you use the shotgun tactic of saying “Happy Holidays”, instead of all the six different phrases.  It has never been about removing Christ from the tradition.  It was never there in any real public sense anyway.

The use of the word doesn’t remove Christ from the American traditions of celebrating it, because all the worship to Jesus is done in private, as it has always done.

1) Christmas Day has been a religious holiday for over a thousand years which has only recently been commercialized.  Of course many of us have no problem with that but manage to celebrate both.

2) Why must we be upset over Santa Claus movies.  As marvelous as the nativity is it isn’t really a proper topic to make a money making movie of.  Why would Santa a mythical character talk about Christ?

3) Millions of people go to church on Christmas Eve and Christmas day.  Often that’s one of the few days of the year that they do attend.

4.  This is the one you’re really missing the point.  The great majority of families bring the message of Christ to their family.

I don’t mind “Happy Holidays” if they are in fact referring to the Holidays.  On the other hand if they are referring to Christmas they are wrong. 

If someone choses Happy Holidays because it might offend someone then they are wrong. 

it just isnt there and it never was, except in private.

You’re wrong, it’s been part of the fabric of the United States since it’s founding.  Pop culture has avoided it because of that very hostility and political correctness. 

Since when do we say that pop culture is our identity anyway?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Hannitized: Christmas is about the giving of yourself in the dead of winter, and it just so happens that Christ preached a similar doctrine.  Christmas was originaly a festive holiday held in winter to keep the spirits alive.  It still serves that purpose, even if non-religious people are too caught up in the heist to notice. 

That is why I atleast, do not care if “Christianity” is wholly excluded from Christmas, so long as the spirit of giving is not.

Also Santa Claus itself has Christian origins from Saint Nicholas of Myra. 

The tradition of Santa has penetrated much of the non-Christian world.  Pretty good, huh?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Very good!  It is just the religion of Pop Culture, and its side-kick, the MSM, that we have to worry about.

Hannitized, do you give Christmas cards or christmas presents at all? Or are they holiday cards/presents?

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Notice how sannitized squeals when you bend it over the table and bang it in the ass. No direct refutation of the facts, simply a pile of cut&paste blahblah that no one reads. Then more cut&paste blahblah. Followed by,,,you guessed it! More cut&paste blahblah that no one reads. This is almost as funny as elinas and wetback spewing Jew hate in every single thread they comment in, only totally incoherent and disjointed.

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A couple of weeks ago I was eating lunch, and when the waitress gave me the bill she said “Have a great day sir, and Happy Holidays!” I promptly punched her right in her stupid, God-hating face.

Why would you do something like that, Dave?  Seems terribly un-Christian of you.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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She had it coming. She said “Happy Holidays"… thus, she hates Christians and thinks “Christmas” is a swear word!!!

So you think it’s ok to assault people who don’t share the same religious views as you?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Why would you do something like that, Dave?

I don’t believe him. He lies about other stuff, too!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Dave is simply trolling, as usual.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I’m actually concerned that Davey is hitting people he doesn’t agree with.

Is there something else wrong that’s making you act out in this way, Dave?  Financial woes?  Boyfriend leave you?  Come clean.  We’re here to listen.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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It’s his B12 and protein deficient crank diet.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Could be.

Maybe instead of hitting that waitress, he should have asked her to bring him a delicious steak.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Naw, he was upset by her pro-life t-shirt.

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he should have asked her to bring him a delicious steak.

LOL!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

How can you guys joke about something so deadly serious? We’re at war here: the War on Christmas.

But don’t take my word for it. Check out this book (http://www.amazon.com/War-Christmas-Liberal-Christian-Holiday/dp/B000EUKQV4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199244824&sr=1-1) from noted investigative journalist John Gibson.

2hotel9:

Naw, he was upset by her pro-life t-shirt.

Oh, yea. Your the moron that spent 6 months telling us how you are morally superior because you support infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia. Try again, stupid ass.

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Dave, I don’t think anyone here feels the Christmas issue is worth hitting girls over.

Really.  That’s just plain criminal.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Dave, I don’t think anyone here feels the Christmas issue is worth hitting girls over.

Rob: I don’t think you have to worry! When Dave smacks them with that limp wrist of his, they hardly feel it!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Edit: video embeds from YouTube do not work in comments.

1) Some of what you say is true, but even still, it does nothing to establish that Americans have traditions that show our interest in Christmas is primarily rooted in Christs birth.  Where is the beef?  You failed to provide even one tradition.

2) Its not that you “must” but it certainly goes to show that there is NO consistency with the complaints people have about the phrase “Happy Holidays”.  For if there truly was a principled position or complaint about us removing Christ from the Holiday, you would have to show that it existed in the first place, you have not done so. 

In fact there is really nothing we have in American traditions that emphasizes our interest in celebrating Christs birth, over the commercial and material interest. 

3) Yes, but that does nothing to demonstrate that we have any expressions that we are MORE interested in Christs birth over the present exchange.  Did you even read my question? 

While millions may go to church, this practice is largely (or completely) done in private and no commercial interest in this aspect of Christmas has been taught through an expression or American pop culture. 

4) Yes the families may do that, but they do it in private.  There is no public exhange that relates this message.  Instead we have celebrations of Santa Clause, elves, rain-deer, the gift of giving and everything else that has almost no relation the the whole point of why Christmas exists in the first place.

Thank you for taking the time to answer honestly, I appreciate it.  I do.  But I think your answers provide adequate proof that there can not be any legitimate complaint about the use of the word Happy Holidays because the idea that not saying Merry Christmas is an attempt to remove Christ from the Holiday can not be taken seriously if you first can’t demonstrate it exists in any real way from the start.

Or, in more simpler terms, as far as American culture goes, Christ was removed from the holiday over a few hundred years ago.  The idea that this is some liberal agenda is sheer nonsense. 

I don’t mind “Happy Holidays” if they are in fact referring to the Holidays.  On the other hand if they are referring to Christmas they are wrong.

That is honest and I thank you for your intellectual honesty.  Nobody should be upses if they use it in reference to the Holidays.  But one, how can you demonstrate that anyone has used it to replace Merry Christmas?  And two, why is it wrong?  If someone goes on vacation to do missionary work, are we not supposed to say “Hope you have a great vacation”??

And finally, I will finish with this.  What is so “Merry” about Christ’s Mass in the first place??  Don’t you think the phrase “Have a Merry Christmas” refers more to a happy jolly time exchanging gifts and enjoying the holiday spirit?  If you know its origins, having to do with a card and from a book by Charles Dickens, than I think we can safely say the phrase “Merry Christmas” has almost NO origins primarily based on the nativity of Christ.

This one is locked up and done.  Not much more to talk about here.

Well that didn’t work.  I was trying to post this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKk9rv2hUfA
It’s from A Charlie Brown Christmas.

The Three Wise Men came to the Christ child bearing gifts.  Duh.
As usual, your ignorance does not justify your arrogance, troll.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Hannitized, do you give Christmas cards or christmas presents at all? Or are they holiday cards/presents?

Mano,

Yes I do.  In fact I have been politically corrected into saying Merry Christmas more than I usually do.  After I got tired of worrying about saying that to my friends who are not Christians, I thought it was sort of stupid. The phrase has no origins dealing with the sentiment of celebrating Christs birth anyway.

Once I finally took the time to think about it, I realized that your intolerance of my tolerance was unacceptable and I am now going back to saying Happy Holidays, because its a play it safe phrase anyway you look at it.

But here is the real issue Mano:  I don’t care if anyone says Merry Christmas...i just don’t like being politically corrected into saying it when it doesnt apply.  Make sense?

I don’t care if anyone says Merry Christmas...i just don’t like being politically corrected into saying it when it doesnt apply.  Make sense?

It does! Very concise and civil. Political and social discourse needn’t be laden with invective and dripping with sarcasm.
If you brought this approach to your discussion sans name calling, the discussions would be less rancorous. Unless, that’s what you want?
Happy New Year!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

This,"In fact there is really nothing we have in American traditions that
emphasizes our interest in celebrating Christs birth, over the commercial
and material interest.”, is a load of crap. Based on this New Age history revisionist BS that America was not founded on a Christian paradigm, as espoused by such fake political luminaries as Ray Suarez in his thinly veiled anti-Christian fishwrap titled The Holy Vote.

Try again, eurotrash.

Oh, and this is debating you, since you have such a hard time figuring that out.

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Han, neither I nor any of my immediate family are Christian, but we still celebrate Christmas as a time for family to get together (and exchange gifts [and we write ‘Merry Christmas’ on them]). My extended family are Anglican to one degree or another and celebrate Christmas as Christs birth.

I can see your point that Christmas itself has become over commercialised and has lost it’s way a bit. This is evidenced by the number of people (many of whom claim to be Christian) who believe Christmas (see Q6) to be the most important Christian festival.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

If you brought this approach to your discussion sans name calling, the discussions would be less rancorous. Unless, that’s what you want?
Happy New Year!

Duly noted Proof.  And if this is how you rather play it with me, I will not be the first to throw an insult, unless it comes to me first.

Therefore, for sake of the new year.  Lets start out fresh as if we had no past.

Han, neither I nor any of my immediate family are Christian, but we still celebrate Christmas as a time for family to get together (and exchange gifts [and we write ‘Merry Christmas’ on them]). My extended family are Anglican to one degree or another and celebrate Christmas as Christs birth.

I understand. I sent an email saying Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to the entire company.  I am not opposed to using it, or saying it.  I just don’t think it is appropriate to say it to directly to my friends who are Bhuddists, Hindu, Muslim or whatever.  I live in Honolulu and before that I lived in SF.  There are a lot of different faiths in the areas I live and I just want to be respectful.

Truth be told, my mother is a Jehovas Witness, my father is a non practicing Chatholic (arent we all) so my dad celebrates Christmas, but my mom does not.  This doesnt mean I dont give her gifts, it just means we really dont do the Chritmas tree anymore....not that i live at home anymore, but you get the idea.  I do say Merry Christmas to my family and loved ones, and I know this is about celebrating Christs birth.  It’s just that Bill O’Reilly took it too far.  The WAR on Christmas is a farce to me.  Anyone ever criticize Bing Crosby for sining “Happy Holidays”??

I can see your point that Christmas itself has become over commercialised and has lost it’s way a bit. This is evidenced by the number of people (many of whom claim to be Christian) who believe Christmas (see Q6) to be the most important Christian festival.

Thank you. I also can understand the nature of the argument, I just haven’t identified a malicious intent behind it.

Han:  I’ve been thinking about your contention that a lack of Christmas movies (religious wise) indicates a lack of interest in the Nativity.

However Hollywood doesn’t always do what’s in their own best interest.  There are a few older Easter movies around but no one had made one for years and years.  That is until Mel Gibson did it with his own money.

The Passion of the Christ turned out to be one of the most profitable movies ever but Hollywood didn’t want to touch it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

This is almost as funny as elinas and wetback spewing Jew hate in every single thread they comment in, only totally incoherent and disjointed.
2Hotel9 on January 1, 2008 at 06:52 pm

You may want to deny the fact that the ACLU is top heavy with adherents of the Jewish religion, and those attorneys are the ones making the decision to go after public displays of Christmas.
However that does not take away the reality.
Those attorneys are activists with an agenda. So if singling out non Christians to point out their rabid opposition to everything Christian makes me in your oppinion antisemitic, so be it.

You accuse me of Jew hateyet you are not a loving person. You spew hate at any chance you get.
How then are you different than me?

You may want to deny the fact that the ACLU is top heavy with adherents of the Jewish religion…

True, but irrelevant.  They are making personal choices, which are not in any way a part of Judaism.  You can’t seem to comprehend this distinction, e.
Your identity politics has led you astray, once again.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

However Hollywood doesn’t always do what’s in their own best interest.  There are a few older Easter movies around but no one had made one for years and years.  That is until Mel Gibson did it with his own money.

The Passion of the Christ turned out to be one of the most profitable movies ever but Hollywood didn’t want to touch it.

Whistler,

I agree, Hollywood doesn’t always seem to do what is their best interest.  Further, I don’t think that Hollywood always makes movies that are in touch with a lot of Americans Christianity.  This I think is almost another topic, but its closely related.

My point is that if Christmas was really more about Christ, I think there would be more songs about it, more movies, more expressions.  Somehow our interests are served by any or all of those.  There are a few exceptions, but not a lot.  I do see your point though.  If you saw the new movie “I Am Legend”, there is quite a statement about the sort of country we are, as it relates to our belief in God.  I think Hollywood is getting it now, well see.

Well I don’t really agree with you there but that’s ok.

Another thing about movies is that you can do a lot with Santa Claus.  If you made movie about the Nativity there wouldn’t be much room for creative.

Another thing about popular culture is that yes there is a HUGE amount of marketing for Christmas Presents.  It turns out the manufacturers and the retailers are spending billions on advertising.

However the churches and families have no need to do that.  So of course watching TV is going to be more about the commercial and less about the true meaning of Christmas.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The truth is that Christmas was created to supplant the old Saturnalia, a time of debauchery.  Instead of that, Christians wanted something more constructive, and so celebrated the Birth of Christ during that time.  It has been a tradition for about 1000 years, and continues to be that, even though some have also used the spirit of giving to market their products.  No one is forced to either celebrate Christmas or give Christmas presents at the point of a gun, or as a result of govt mandates.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I just don’t think it is appropriate to say it to directly to my friends who are Bhuddists

My parents are Buddhist and both give and receive Christmas presents. ‘Happy Christmas’ is just words to them which no longer carry any meaning other than ‘Happy holiday’.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

And yet, you continue to spew Jooo hate because you are inferior to the most mentally retarded Jew that can be found.

Sad. Pathetic. Moronic. And a pathetic little bitch to top it off. You bring shame down upon all women.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem