Typical; the 'right' wants killing; the peacemakers don't.

Nothing new here.

Well, obviously he's not smart enough to understand that we don't hate him, we hate what he's doing.

We don't hate Bush, we hate what he's doing.

I knew they were recuriting dummies or dummies were joining, but this made it very obvious.

I'll just bet the decent Germans were pressured by the Hitler supporters of their day to 'support the troops' as well. That's why it happened.

And the support of nonthinking idiots is why this is happening.

diane spews, Typical; the 'right' wants killing; the peacemakers don't.

Nothing new here.

Typically, the "right" wants to kill and/or defeat evil, the ridiculously named "peacemakers" want to lie down.

Nothing new here.

I knew they were recuriting dummies or dummies were joining, but this made it very obvious.

So much for "supporting the military". You fraud.

I'll just bet the decent Germans were pressured by the Hitler supporters of their day to 'support the troops' as well. That's why it happened.

And the support of nonthinking idiots is why this is happening.

One would think that you're the "nonthinking idiot" the way you compare Hitler's imperialism to America freeing Iraq.

Many of us HATE this immoral war and don't support it and for that people like you treat us like dirt. Who cares?

Anybody who believes that freedom is "immoral" should be treated like dirt. You earned it.

How many innocent Iraqis will your brother-in-law kill, I wonder?

How many innocents will die because of your appeasement to the most evil dictators in the world. Hmmm..I wonder.

Oh no, lik's back and now every sentence will be replied to…one at a time.

Was really looking forward to that.

Hey, overall lik, you don't do pre-emptive strikes for non-reasons and expect things to go well. And they're not.

As much as you'd like to believe they are…you are wrong.

diane says, Oh no, lik's back and now every sentence will be replied to…one at a time.

I do that because there is just so much to Fisk you about and the up and down nature of these types of comment boards lends itself easily to such a practice. My arguments are very different and have very little Fisking at Scoop-based sites.

Hey, overall lik, you don't do pre-emptive strikes for non-reasons and expect things to go well. And they're not.

1. There was no "pre-emptive strikes". There was a low-level ongoing war for 12 years. We just finished it.

2. There are not "non-reasons" for the war. You are dismissing out of hand and simply denying the reasons instead of countering them. Why? Because you can't counter them, that's why.

3. Things are going swimmingly well. But I don't expect you to admit as much or even recognize it since you are having a hard time recognizing other simple realities.

As much as you'd like to believe they are…you are wrong.

Your framed argument is wrong from the start, so therefore this little statement of yours does not apply.

Hey, it was a pre-emptive strike. Since you don't even admit that, there's no reason responding to anything else you say about the war ON Iraq.

Define "pre-emptive". Explain how the war is "pre-emptive" while Saddam was ignoring the terms of his unconditional surrender of 1991. Explain how the war is "pre-emptive" when Iraq was shooting at U.S. planes for 11 years.

Oh…and it is a war in Iraq. Small point, but one an honest person would make.

Period.

End of story.

When you catch up, we will move forward.

Heh. You act like you're special. In any regard, does this mean you'll stop commenting now or shall we continue to expect to see your condescending anti-American screeds devoid of logic, reason and reality? Just asking…

lik ploddingly answers, point by point:

Define "pre-emptive". Explain how the war is "pre-emptive" while Saddam was ignoring the terms of his unconditional surrender of 1991. Explain how the war is "pre-emptive" when Iraq was shooting at U.S. planes for 11 years.

Should we do a shock and awe on Israel for the USS Liberty? That's how it was 'pre-emptive'. Selectively so.

Oh…and it is a war in Iraq. Small point, but one an honest person would make.

Period.
End of story.

It is a war ON Iraq being fought IN Iraq. Small point but one an honest person makes.

When you catch up, we will move forward.

Heh. You act like you're special. In any regard, does this mean you'll stop commenting now or shall we continue to expect to see your condescending anti-American screeds devoid of logic, reason and reality? Just asking…

Heh, you act like you're tough. Do you still beat your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/cousin?

Since Bosnia/Kosovo never attacked us, and wasn't connected to anyone who did attack us, that war was really "pre-emptive", wasn't it? Funny the lefties never mention that one. Selective memory, I guess, or maybe partisanship instead of principle.

Diane,
So just as a point to what you originally said,

Well, obviously he's not smart enough to understand that we don't hate him, we hate what he's doing.
We don't hate Bush, we hate what he's doing.

So you support the troops just not thier actions?
Am I to take it that you support terrorist just not terrorist acts, you support racists just not racist acts and you support Republicans just not Republican acts? If so, you might want to reconsider your support.

However, I will admit, I question how sincere your lack of hate, which I think you equate to mean "support" is furthered by the leap of insnuating that your stance is just nuance and that he is too dumb to understand nor does he believe in what he is doing. It further damages your stance to ask "How many innocent Iraqis do we think he'll kill?"

However, in a effort to be fair, I ould estimate that he will kill an iraqi, innocent or no, that targets him or his fellow soldiers while he is attending to his sworn duty.

As far as your support or lack thereof the war goes, you are allowed your stance and vote equally to mine. Whether or not your treated like dirt can be independent of your actions. That being said, your freedom is guarenteed but any semblence of respect or regard isn't. That is the nature of the freedom that you rely on to express your displeasure, other people have that same freedom as well.

The people that blocked the ship yard took their freedom and streached the intent of it beyond thier legal rights. For that reason what happened to the was visited on the because of their own action and a disregard for the law and the rights for others. While a small part of me can appreciate thier commitment to their beliefs, most of me finds it amusing that they got gassed. The police warned them and the continued, so take your chemical martyrdom like a man. I for one, think that they should have never blocked the gate to begin with because in the US the property rights of the shipyard will always supercede theirs when it comes to the obstruction and possible destruction of personal and government property. to fly in the face of that show a level ofemotional immaturity that colors every intent to their actions after that.

If people want to claim the moral highground on their beliefs about the war, go ahead. I've yet to see a scoreboard where it matters. But people need to remember that "Civil disobedience is still disobedience." You will pay the consequences of your actions.

Rob B:
So you support the troops just not thier actions?
Am I to take it that you support terrorist just not terrorist acts, you support racists just not racist acts and you support Republicans just not Republican acts? If so, you might want to reconsider your support.

What I said was:
Well, obviously he's not smart enough to understand that we don't hate him, we hate what he's doing.
We don't hate Bush, we hate what he's doing.

Let me explain to you that there's a big difference between not hating someone and supporting someone. Sorry you can't grasp it.

However, following your logic, you hate everyone and everything you don't support? That must be an awful way to live.