Sniffle, sob, wah, (gasp for breath) blubber, whine, simper.

Find your binky and your Barbie. You’ll be fine.

This is why reasonable debate gets us nowhere. I offered a reasoned, factual argument to counter Pilgrims paranoia, and he can only offer insults.

I consider that a victory. I am going surfing now….enjoy your holiday friends.

The SD government is gop.

Where is the actual complaint?
Where are corroborating accounts of this action?

Pilg,

I know you were supporting Homosexuals in a previous thread but if you don’t want more of these attacks on the church, you might wish to re-evaluate the intel coming in on just how these special rights for Gays are being used to attack the Church and religion.

It’s not a matter of peaceful coexistence. As Homosexuals gain political influence, they will be doing more and more to attack the Church in this way, until it and Christianity (and even Judaism) are criminalized and outlawed.

Gay rights is not about Gay Rights …. it’s about destroying the religious and moral foundations of heterosexual society.

Not really.

By and large, Leftists are Statists and condemn Christianity.

It’s not a cheap shot if it’s the truth.

But Statism and Global Warming are not religions, even if Leftards embrace them in that way.

San Diego you say?

Well maybe if they stopped voting gop and put in a few Dems down there thing might get better.

blaming a right controlled areas actions on the left

I already gave an example of the right controlled city I live in and yet having to deal with a liberal zoning official drunk on power. Just because conservatism is prevalent doesn’t mean they only hire consevatives.

RBB:

Nice dodge away from the subject.

Try real hard to think about the subject matter and then respond. How would you feel or react if someone showed up on your doorstep to tell you what you can’t do in your home.

Try hard…you can do it….

Christians have been persecuted and killed by other Jews, Muslims (Armenians), Romans (atheists) and many others. On topic. Reading a bible in one’s home should certainly be protected by the First Amendment that many fought and died for.

Zig,

In that other thread you are referring to I was not supporting homosexuals per se, just pointing out the illogic of not allowing them to serve in the military regardless of qualification.

You are right to some degree in this matter, though. There seems to be a concerted effort to corral and/or discredit Christianity in general.

The left is frightened by Christianity and for good reason. If you even partially believe in the teachings it tells you that it’s just not okay to do what they do.

So…if you fear it, kill it.

This is the bestest pity party I have seen in a while.

The thrust of this argument sounds a lot like:

Sniffle, sob, wah, (gasp for breath) blubber, whine, simper.

Find your binky and your Barbie. You’ll be fine.

Way to quote out of context, Hannitized. Fine example of leftist word play.

Sparkie,

Talk about “faux indignation.” That bit of sarcasm you cited was damn near a year ago. That’s a long time for you to be carrying that cross, don’t you think?

(I just knew you’d appreciate the Christian reference there!)

Tictoc tictoc tictoc. Keep shitting on people’s rights you liberal kooks. Tictoc tictoc tictoc.

One must wonder if the same permit would be required for a “homosexual study group”…….

Drip, drip, drip…..

One more reminder why libs are NEVER, EVER, to be entrusted with stewardship of our Rights!

Think real hard about who makes the local laws down there, you just might figger it out.

And RBB still hasn’t answered the question…what would you do?

Clearly the violation in question is related to parking and not to religion

I am sure that the reason the official knocked on the door was due to traffic and parking. However, what he is trying to do is create the situation where he can show that these folks are attending “church”. And if they are doing that, THEN he can force compliance.

That official is wrong; he is using legislation that clearly does not apply. For example, if these guys were gathering to watch a NASCAR race or Sunday football, they would be perfectly within their rights.

The right thing to do here is have the neighbors work out a solution without engaging the government.

Likely a neighbor complained. With the completely irresponsible budgets in CA, counties are looking for anything to generate revenue. Code enforcement has stepped up in the counties surrounding me. Violations are much more common. When that sort of an excuse presents itself, it seems Christianity has a bullseye on its back.

Next door to our Church is a home in which it is not unusual to find 10-15 cars parked in front. No problem though, they’re Buhdists.

My point is, same old story, nothing new here, move along.

Sparkie,

You are one of the most outspoken opponents of religion and given your comments on this site, the majority of your disdain targets Christianity. I know you hate mormons too… I suppose you lump them in with Christians? It’s not a victim parade. I don’t mind it. But people need to own it. It’s no illusion.

I don’t like a lot of state rules that have a purpose. Take for example ticketing the poor for driving on expired registration.

I like laws that prevent the rich (who buy mansions and live in them, subsequently paying no state tax, and sticking it to the residents to pay for the roads) from renting out their houses to loud, partying tourists.

H,

An interesting admission. In essence you are advocating for a system that consists of different rules for different sets of people based on their respective level of income. And while I might admire your (inadvertent?) candor, I doubt you can successfully defend that position, since obviously if income is an acceptable basis for legal discrimination, then why not race? Or sexual orientation?

In my view, and I believe that of most Americans, we should all be equal under the law. But if you think success should be legally penalized and those who are more productive and more successful should be dealt with more harshly under tha law, then by all means lets hear you try to defend that point of view.

I live in a predominately conservative city, but I have had it out with a zoning official so full of himself and his authority he thought he could arbitrarity interpret the zoning ordinance and deny my permit. Liberals do this crap, not conservatives.

I have never hidden my distaste for people who willingly handicap their world view with deified myths.

Sparkie,

Perhaps… but your endorsement of government harassment of those whose personal religious beliefs you find “distasteful” is in sharp contrast to the libertarian creed you once trumpeted with such vigor. That “handicap” is the source of great strength and hope to its adherents, and so long as no one promotes official sanctions toward those of you who hold no religious faith, I can’t see the intellectual honesty in rationalizing sanctions toward those of us who do.

You’d find yourself the object of a lot less ridicule and contempt if you were a lot less sanctimonious and a little more honest.

I fully support San Diego’s ability to make all the silly parking laws they want.

If the couple is breaking parking regs, they should remedy that. However, it was poor form for the official to ask those questions in an effort to enforce those regs.

Again, the proper means of solution is for the neighbors to meet.

Paranoid Pilgrim says:

The left is frightened by Christianity and for good reason. If you even partially believe in the teachings it tells you that it’s just not okay to do what they do.

So…if you fear it, kill it.

Cheeznrice Pilgrim, they only needed a permit to run weekly meetings that cause a problem for parking.

What’thedelio? Nobody is trying to kill Christianity any more than they are trying to kill capitalism by having zoning laws.

Someone this paranoid and delusional should not be allowed to have a gun.

Let me go on the record (as if a blog is “the record”) to say that IF it truly ends up being a case of religious persecution the San Diego authorities should be tried and hopefully be found guilty.

That is IF it is actually religious persecution.

If it’s a parking permit thing, then let’s agree to all have a big laugh at the Whirldnutsdaily editors’ expense.

Well said, Bat One.

Funny variants of handles are in bounds, I thought.

Sparkie,

In other words, what’s funny in your mind is in bounds, but what’s funny in the mind of someone else is not? Is that what you’re suggesting?

More hypocrisy?! You and Hannitized having some sort of weekend contest?

Apologies to Nieman. Didn’t see his post on this yesterday and when I saw it this morning my blood pressure went through the roof.

“only give minimal lip service to having some sort of Christian faith”

But the mere fact they believe they have to in order to get elected is my point. I’d be the first to admit that a pro-abortion Catholic is an oxymoron, based on official doctrine. Nonetheless, they underscore their religion, even though it may not come out in their voting record.

Clearly the violation in question is related to parking and not to religion, as anyone with eyes whose not illiterate can see.

Pilgrim was right, you simply cannot read or deliberately choose to misread in order to force things to fit into your narrow minded, Christ hating agenda. Your self-hate is destroying you!

Let’s try a counter-factual. Imagine the Tuesday night gathering is a homosexual, ‘pig-sex’ gathering with lots of alcohol, straps, whips, and the lot. Every Tuesday the street is parked up. Many of the neighbors complain and correctly report that the cause of the zoning violation is a gratuitous gay-sex gathering, albeit in a private home.

Sparkless (Clueless): Religious worship, freedom of worship is protected under the First Amendment. Therefore to even ask the questions was a violation of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Your pig sex parties are not protected, they violate indecency laws and that illegal activity can be subject to questioning. So, you engage in pig sex, without or without actual swine at your own risk.

I have a bone to pick with fundamentalist Christians like Zig and Neiman.

No, you hate Christ and His Church, and anyone that believes in Him, that is the entirety of your issue with me!

The Left Runs Amuck: San Diego???

The couple, whose names are being withheld until a demand letter can be filed on their behalf, told their attorney a county government employee knocked on their door on Good Friday, asking a litany of questions about their Tuesday night Bible studies, which are attended by approximately 15 people.

San Diego County’s identity as predominantly republican territory is eroding . The latest voter registration numbers show the gap between the number of red and blue voters is narrowing. KPBS reporter Alison St John has more.

Sparkie, The thing about this particular case is the people were questioned about their religion and their freedom of speech was being denied for religious reasons. IF the cops or the city want to give the people parked illegally a ticket that is fine with me. BUT to come in to my home and ask if I have a permit to practice my religion or say whatever the heck I want to is a little extreme.

Funny that Zsa Zsa has to teach logic to Sparkie, but she’s right! If they wanted to deal with a parking issue, they deal with a parking issue.
Whether they say “Praise the Lord” or “Amen” inside the house is not the county’s business.

And Hannitized pipes up:

Get real Pilgrim.

Your paranoia is becoming dangerous. Look at what you are doing to Rabid American.

You and he are both dip-shits.

Sparkie must have nudged Hannitized awake to share his outrage over this.

By the way, observation and comment do not amount to paranoia. Besides, where is your disdain when it comes to shrieking left idiots like the above mentioned Garofalo, or the detestable Bill Maher?

Go back to sleep.

we only have that on hearsay

Well, let’s take them at their word. Otherwise we have to doubt the official’s word as well and this becomes a silly topic.

The point is, if those folks were watching a Sunday football game instead of holding prayer meetings, there is nothing that SD could do. So, the official is trying to drum up a church service where non exists.

Poor form.

Bat-Shit-Oner

Sparkie,

Why the personal insult? Did I make fun of your “handle” or call you names? I mean, personally I don’t much care… particularly considering the source. But if you are going to try to make a case for reasoned, fact-based debate, only to then start throwing personal invective around at the first opportunity, then clearly what you sez and what you does is two entirely different things, and your calls for civility and debate will be treated with contempt your hypocrisy deserves.

Bat, THANK YOU. Oh thank you for your inability to read my comment and inadvertently support my position.

An interesting admission. In essence you are advocating for a system that consists of different rules for different sets of people based on their respective level of income. And while I might admire your (inadvertent?) candor, I doubt you can successfully defend that position, since obviously if income is an acceptable basis for legal discrimination, then why not race? Or sexual orientation?

That is exactly the point Bat. I may not like a state rule, but that doesn’t mean the rule is in just or improper.

Please note that I said I don’t like a lot of state laws, that have a purpose. Of course ticketing a poor person for driving on expired registration is the law, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it. Now, that aside I am not saying the law should be changed, or that they are unfarily targeting anyone.

You see, I let my emotions get in the way, just like y’all are doing over this particular incident. You may not like the fact that permits are required for weekly events that cause public nuisances for the neighborhood.

Hell, I would like to run a bbq every-weekend out of my back yard and charge for my Santa Maria style BBQ tri-tip sandwiches and bbq beans. But there are laws that require permits for that sort of thing, and also zoning laws that may prohibit it. And……that’s fine.

If a cop came to my door and said, are you selling these sandwiches and asked questions that reveal the type of operation I am running out of my house, it is the required information needed to make a conclusion, it is not an infringement on my ability to pursue capital.

You guys are nuts.

dawneyr
Your Chicomm thingy is related to San Diego parking laws how?

Are you trying to make an argument against supporting that oppression by shopping for Chicomm plastic shit at WalMart and handing our country over to them vis-a-vis retarded GOP explosions of our trade deficits? Perhaps you should start there and see where it takes you.

I’ll admit. I have a bone to pick with fundamentalist Christians like Zig and Neiman. That’s a whole different issue than whether or not San Diego can enforce stupid zoning laws.

Let’s try a counter-factual. Imagine the Tuesday night gathering is a homosexual, ‘pig-sex’ gathering with lots of alcohol, straps, whips, and the lot. Every Tuesday the street is parked up. Many of the neighbors complain and correctly report that the cause of the zoning violation is a gratuitous gay-sex gathering, albeit in a private home. (In the actual case, no doubt the neighbors reported the cause of the violation, namely overparking due to religious gatherings.) The police know that neighbors can gang up. In order to corroborate the stories, they knock on the door of the party in question, GIVING THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT WITH REGARD TO THE ZONING VIOLATION, and ask a few questions in order to verify that the reported violation is actual. “Do you have gratuitous pig-sex gatherings every Tuesday evening?”

The homosexual activists would no doubt brand the episode an infringement of private rights, on private property — a clear anti-homosexual instance of improper wielding of state power.

I have no doubt that you fellas would point out what an OBVIOUS VICTIM PARADE based on claims of the VICTIMS it is. You would identify the problem, namely a zoning violation. Perhaps you could lament the annoying zoning violations, but they are the result of local lawmaking (something which is good to support in principle). Either way, VICTIM PARADE BULLSHIT is exactly how to characterize your actual post AND the counter-factual reaction from the pro ‘pig sex’ crowd. I highly doubt you fellas would back up the pig sex crowd with an eye to preserving your own private freedoms, all your constitutional screeching to the contrary.

15 people require a major use permit? We sometimes have more people over than that for a family supper.

The thing about this particular case is the people were questioned about their religion and their freedom of speech was being denied for religious reasons.

that is merely THE CLAIM of people who were cited for PARKING VIOLATIONS. its not clear that’s at all what this is about.

No problem though, they’re Buhdists.

What the fuck is a Buhdist? Do you mean Buddhist? It must just be discrimination. You should join Pelosi and Reid and Frank at their press conferences. Good stuff here.

How’s you victim parade going? I see the Jesus blimp is on its way down 5th avenue. Awesome.

Tictoc tictoc tictoc. Keep shitting on people’s rights you liberal kooks. Tictoc tictoc tictoc.

In cities, because many people live in close proximity to each other, sometimes there needs to be regulations of things like parking. People don’t, unfortunately or not, have a freedom to park wherever they want. Bummer.

AR-15-year-old
A fly just farted over here in Philly. I can forward you the details if you want. You might want to analyze it for socialist manipulations, as clearly it was engineered in secret by the Obama administration to disrupt your freedoms. Kook.

Pilgrim

Parking complaints aren’t generally accomapnied by questions pertaining to prayer or asking if you say “amen” or “praise the lord”.

Let me play that back for you, nice and slow like.

The only source we have for the religious spin is the ‘victim’. I ain’t buying it with a wooden nickel.

Its a he-said-she-said. You side with the victim. Clearly the violation in question is related to parking and not to religion, as anyone with eyes whose not illiterate can see. Keep throwing ticker tape at your little victim parade.

what he is trying to do is create the situation where he can show that these folks are attending “church”. And if they are doing that, THEN he can force compliance.

This is the result we get if we believe the rantings of the victims. Maybe they are telling the truth about what the official asked. Maybe not. Who knows. We do know that the violation is related to improper parking in residential neighborhoods. In densely populated areas, there are zoning laws to prevent problems like this.

No one is saying that people cannot worship or speak in tongues if they want to. That’s clear. Only the victim garbage from the right has attempted to cloud that simple fact.

you are THE kook on this blog.

Sweet. I would prefer not to fit in with the pro-stupid, pro-hate crowd this blog attracts.

Man, I can get ten of you kooks screeching at once. Heh.

Aren’t you guys supposed to be at Church or something? Eating the body and drinking the blood?

it was poor form for the official to ask those questions in an effort to enforce those regs

we only have that on hearsay from the victims whose motives are unclear. they are making a parking violation into a religious scurfuffle.

the proper means of solution is for the neighbors to meet

ideally, perhaps. still, i support the ability of communities to enact asinine laws if they want to. the constitution puts a governor on that phenomenon, but unfortunately it provides no parking rights. damn.

Pilgrim

Sparkie must have nudged Hannitized awake to share his outrage over this.

By the way, observation and comment do not amount to paranoia.

Dude. You claim that Hannitizer and I are coordinating attacks on your bogus post and then whine about how its not paranoia. Heh.

Get ahold of yourself, man.

Rob

15 people require a major use permit? We sometimes have more people over than that for a family supper.

I guess every street and every parking arrangement in every town and city is just like the one you have at home. Right? Is that the brunt of your claim?

Get off it. These people were parking up the place, as the article clearly reveals. Turning it into a religion thing is silly. The only source we have for the religious spin is the ‘victim’. I ain’t buying it with a wooden nickel.

What if a bunch of Muslims caused a trafficjam and then whined about their persecution claiming it was religiously motivated? You’d take em to town for it. Give us all a break, please.

Obviously bob. No one here is against the freedom of religion. I, personally, am against making up things to slander your partisan opponents. The SAB cabal is not, clearly, as it is their MO.

Stating the obvious is sometimes a waste with these folks. You will no doubt he attacked for it.

HG
I have never hidden my distaste for people who willingly handicap their world view with deified myths.

What does that have to do with overparking a San Diego street? Just bringing personal attacks? Have I exhausted your ‘arguments’ that do not rely on berating yours truly?