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Monday, April 28, 2008

The GOP’s Youth Problem

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It’s easy to pass this off on public schools and the universities as they have absolutely become centers for liberal indoctrination (my seven year old came home the other day full of stories about Earth Day and how we’re all going to perish in a fiery apocalypse of global warming if daddy doesn’t sell his SUV immediately), but in large part I blame the GOP too.

Idealism is what attracts young people, and the GOP has been decidedly bereft of idealism since the mid-1990’s.  Republicans are supposed to be the low-tax, limited-government, increased-freedoms people but they haven’t stayed true to that brand, and so young Americans are tending not to trust the GOP these days.  And for good reason.

Think about it: Why is McDonald’s a ubiquitous landmark all over America?  Heck, all over the industrialized world?  Because for better or worse, when you go to a McDonald’s you know what you’re getting.

With the GOP, people (especially the young) know what they’re supposed to be getting, but they also know that the reality isn’t often matching the pitch any more.

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So what’d you get for your SUV?


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The Whistler on April 28, 2008 at 03:53 pm

Boy, Rob, if your sevden year old daughter came home using words like “fiery apocalypse”, she had better get into the gifted and talented program.  Or did you exaggerate just a bit?

Puzzlefeet on April 28, 2008 at 04:50 pm

I didn’t see any quotation marks.


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The Whistler on April 28, 2008 at 05:00 pm

oops that should be “seven”

Puzzlefeet on April 28, 2008 at 05:00 pm

Rob:  And this can’t be passed off on the private schools as well? 

Do you really think that private schools churn out conservatives? Because, if that is so, then the Ivy League schools should all be bastions of republican values.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on April 28, 2008 at 05:05 pm

American youths see only liberals on center stage, while republicans sit in the back, largely misunderstood and without a script.

A republican walks out, and people don’t know what they’re getting when they hear him speak, stuttering, mostly because republicans do not speak: they act, and do not voice their justification.

The Iraq War was left in the dust, we made no defense and still do make no defense of that war and the left has spit on it with every different kind of insult and attack that they can muster.

Why not? it’s on center stage? We sat in the back wimpering.

Inspiration is left to the liberals, and is almost a quality split among party lines now that republicans stick to their bills and their propisitions--strictly on capitol hill. 

Big guns, like Limbaugh or O’Reilly, may have the most effect as men of the right who speak, but something goes against my taste when I think of them as a “uniter” much less an “inspirer”.  They are good, intelligent men, but I don’t think they have taken on the real front.

Youth’s do not know, and adults are getting amenesia: what is the republican party?

dirl126 on April 28, 2008 at 05:41 pm

pparets,

I think it’s safe to assume that Rob was speaking about the liberal indoctrination of our educators in general.

What’s the reason for the consuming passion over private/public education?


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laydownSally on April 28, 2008 at 05:52 pm

Big guns, like Limbaugh or O’Reilly, may have the most effect as men of the right who speak, but something goes against my taste when I think of them as a “uniter” much less an “inspirer”.  They are good, intelligent men, but I don’t think they have taken on the real front.

Rush, the drug addled doctor shopping Viagra smuggling riot inciting election undermining gas bag, a good intelligent man?

Billow, a porn novel writing phone sex out of court settling T&A hustling falafel perv, a good intelligent man?

And you wonder why your gop is swirling down the drain.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 28, 2008 at 05:53 pm

The organized , energized part of the Republican party is Ron Paul.
Expect to hear from him at the convention.

WOOF on April 28, 2008 at 05:54 pm

LDS:  .... because discussion of this type on SAB always takes`a cheap shot at public education. Sadly, conservatives in general tend to assume that public school educators are liberal union goons.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on April 28, 2008 at 06:04 pm

Woof, I think you are right that the energized part is Ron Paul.  Ron Paul, like Obama, is an unfit candidate to take the word “Revolution” and “change” in originaly and unifying ways.  Ron Paul has the right goal but the wrong method.

RBB, you are wrong.

dirl126 on April 28, 2008 at 06:05 pm

...in general tend to assume that public school educators are liberal union goons.

Maybe that’s because they are, in general, liberal union goons.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

laydownSally on April 28, 2008 at 06:11 pm

LDS:  And that is simply not true.  You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on April 28, 2008 at 06:26 pm

In 2003, 45% of public school teachers said they were democrats, 28% republican, and 27% said they had no affiliation.  77% reported being members of a church, synagogue or other religious group.

http://www.nea.org/edstats/images/statushighlights.pdf

Published, Nov, 2003


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on April 28, 2008 at 06:42 pm

dirl126, what was incorrect?


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 28, 2008 at 06:48 pm

And you wonder why your gop is swirling down the drain.

And yet, once again the dems will shoot forward to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Democrats just like to talk, they’re not much for action. And I love when you little lefties get all tied up in knots and start the name-calling (Rush, etc.).


""That’s the problem with you lefties, you’re not willing to get your hands dirty. I’d suggest you roll up your sleeves.”

-Jack Bauer

Hoss on April 28, 2008 at 07:48 pm

And what’s the old saying: If you’re in your twenties and you’re not a liberal, you have no heart; but, if you’re in your thirties and you’re not a conservative, you don’t have a brain.


""That’s the problem with you lefties, you’re not willing to get your hands dirty. I’d suggest you roll up your sleeves.”

-Jack Bauer

Hoss on April 28, 2008 at 07:50 pm
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LDS:  .... because discussion of this type on SAB always takes`a cheap shot at public education. Sadly, conservatives in general tend to assume that public school educators are liberal union goons.

Something tells me pparets is personally invested in public schools in some way (former/current teacher?) and thus cannot view the issue objectively and must interject his public school bias into threads that have nothing to do with the issue.


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Boy, Rob, if your sevden year old daughter came home using words like “fiery apocalypse”, she had better get into the gifted and talented program.  Or did you exaggerate just a bit?

Well, “apocalypse” was my word but my little girl is certainly pretty intelligence.  Smarter than you, for sure.

After she told me about earth day we sat down and had a nice long talk about environmentalism, including some pondering upon why Earth Day coincides with Vladimir Lenin’s birthday.

wink


The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

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Rob on April 28, 2008 at 08:06 pm

Sadly, conservatives in general tend to assume that public school educators are liberal union goons.

Professionals have no use for labor collectives and their lazy, greedy bosses.

Kevin on April 28, 2008 at 08:19 pm

And that is simply not true.  You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

Maybe you can show me where I provided fact??

I’d say you facts show an overwhelming plurality.


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laydownSally on April 28, 2008 at 08:28 pm

The youth are young, stupid and naive. It stands to reason that they would naturally gravitate towards the Democrats.

Relax. A good many of them outgrow this immaturity.

likwidshoe on April 28, 2008 at 08:48 pm

Luckily I have never felt an urge to go over to the democrat party, Maybe young people gravitate towards the dems because they always promise free stuff: free health care, free college tuition, etc.

Since many young people don’t pay much taxes it doesn’t really concern them because they view it as almost free for them.  The GOP would also be wise to get more involved with facebook, myspace, and youtube to get young people involved in the party.  My generation wants everything now and instantaneously.



A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

dougee on April 28, 2008 at 10:21 pm

The GOP would also be wise to get more involved with facebook, myspace, and youtube to get young people involved in the party.

You’re probably right dougee, maybe some contemporary, well produced flicks would help also; something that doesn’t show conservatives as racist, uncaring and greedy.

The left nearly has a monopoly on those things which appeal to the young.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
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laydownSally on April 28, 2008 at 10:47 pm

Do you really think that private schools churn out conservatives? Because, if that is so, then the Ivy League schools should all be bastions of republican values.

You raised this in another thread and I proved you wrong there. Stop churning out this mind numbingly stupid tripe.

Kenny on April 30, 2008 at 02:57 am

Kenny,

It’s the common trait of those who have little to offer, to continually harp on a tired, unproven thesis.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
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laydownSally on April 30, 2008 at 02:46 pm
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