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		<title>By: natty dark</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_earth_is_melting/#comment-42325</link>
		<dc:creator>natty dark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good call Dave, that would have been a better response.

I prefer the way Bill Hicks described it.  His stand-up about dinosaur bones being placed there to test the faith of Christians is priceless.  &quot;Oh, so he&#039;s a prankster God!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good call Dave, that would have been a better response.</p>
<p>I prefer the way Bill Hicks described it.  His stand-up about dinosaur bones being placed there to test the faith of Christians is priceless.  &#8220;Oh, so he&#8217;s a prankster God!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Don Myers</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_earth_is_melting/#comment-42326</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear, Mr. B---the vast majority of the world scientific community is wrong, and you&#039;re right.

Is &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; what you&#039;re telling us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, Mr. B&#8212;the vast majority of the world scientific community is wrong, and you&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>Is <i>that</i> what you&#8217;re telling us?</p>
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		<title>By: The_Whistler_ofnd</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_earth_is_melting/#comment-42327</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Whistler_ofnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how do we know that the actions we may take wouldn&#039;t make the situation worse.

In fact.  Here&#039;s the deal.  These &quot;scientists&quot; or mystics or whatever they are seem to be smart.

Here&#039;s the deal.  If they can tell me what the temperature is going to be on the top of the hour, every hour for tomorrow, maybe I&#039;ll believe them what the weather&#039;s going to be like in 200 hundred years.  

While they&#039;re at it they can tell us for certain where Hurrican Rita is going to make landfall.

Or we know that the weather was warmer and cooler in the past.  Maybe they can explain why?

Or they could explain why it appears that the rate of warming was higher before World War II than since.

Or they could simply explain where the white goes where snow melts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how do we know that the actions we may take wouldn&#8217;t make the situation worse.</p>
<p>In fact.  Here&#8217;s the deal.  These &#8220;scientists&#8221; or mystics or whatever they are seem to be smart.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the deal.  If they can tell me what the temperature is going to be on the top of the hour, every hour for tomorrow, maybe I&#8217;ll believe them what the weather&#8217;s going to be like in 200 hundred years.  </p>
<p>While they&#8217;re at it they can tell us for certain where Hurrican Rita is going to make landfall.</p>
<p>Or we know that the weather was warmer and cooler in the past.  Maybe they can explain why?</p>
<p>Or they could explain why it appears that the rate of warming was higher before World War II than since.</p>
<p>Or they could simply explain where the white goes where snow melts.</p>
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		<title>By: natty dark</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_earth_is_melting/#comment-42328</link>
		<dc:creator>natty dark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my point is, if we are limited to the general concensus of scientists, then we wouldn&#039;t have progressed past the flat earth center of the universe stage.

it doesn&#039;t take a worldwide conspiracy.  Just a poor education system, some well-placed media bias, and a lot of repitition.

Perhaps you would rather drink the kool aid than question that which is put before you.  How&#039;s the weather in Guyana?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my point is, if we are limited to the general concensus of scientists, then we wouldn&#8217;t have progressed past the flat earth center of the universe stage.</p>
<p>it doesn&#8217;t take a worldwide conspiracy.  Just a poor education system, some well-placed media bias, and a lot of repitition.</p>
<p>Perhaps you would rather drink the kool aid than question that which is put before you.  How&#8217;s the weather in Guyana?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Myers</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_earth_is_melting/#comment-42329</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re saying that &lt;i&gt;science&lt;/i&gt; has an inherent anti-Bush bias? Well, that sounds about right to me...

But you&#039;re also implying that you know more about global warming and climate change than the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www4.nationalacademies.org/onpi/webextra.nsf/web/climate?OpenDocument&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;National Academy of Science&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v436/n7051/abs/nature03906.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MIT&lt;/a&gt;, The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aip.org/history/climate/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;American Institute of Physics&lt;/a&gt;, the editors of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/EarthSciences/?view=usa&amp;ci=0195108256&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Encyclopedia of Global Change&lt;/a&gt;, and the editors of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/EarthSciences/Geology/?view=usa&amp;ci=0195094859&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Encyclopedia of Climate and Weather&lt;/a&gt;.

I mean, these folks are only respected scientists with advanced degrees and years of research and experience. On the other hand, you read an article on NewsMax so &lt;i&gt;obviously&lt;/i&gt; your opinion is just as valid---if not &lt;i&gt;more valid&lt;/i&gt;---than theirs.

You&#039;re being a tad hubristic, &lt;i&gt;n&#039;est pas?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re saying that <i>science</i> has an inherent anti-Bush bias? Well, that sounds about right to me&#8230;</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re also implying that you know more about global warming and climate change than the <a href="http://www4.nationalacademies.org/onpi/webextra.nsf/web/climate?OpenDocument" rel="nofollow">National Academy of Science</a>, <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v436/n7051/abs/nature03906.html" rel="nofollow">MIT</a>, The <a href="http://www.aip.org/history/climate/" rel="nofollow">American Institute of Physics</a>, the editors of the <a href="http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/EarthSciences/?view=usa&amp;amp;ci=0195108256" rel="nofollow">Encyclopedia of Global Change</a>, and the editors of the <a href="http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/EarthSciences/Geology/?view=usa&amp;amp;ci=0195094859" rel="nofollow">Encyclopedia of Climate and Weather</a>.</p>
<p>I mean, these folks are only respected scientists with advanced degrees and years of research and experience. On the other hand, you read an article on NewsMax so <i>obviously</i> your opinion is just as valid&#8212;if not <i>more valid</i>&#8212;than theirs.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re being a tad hubristic, <i>n&#8217;est pas?</i></p>
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		<title>By: natty dark</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_earth_is_melting/#comment-42330</link>
		<dc:creator>natty dark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Don - it is easy to dismiss me as a Newsmax fanatic.  Easy to call it a politically partisan attack.  I consider it a tad xenophobic, but if that is what keeps you sane then just roll on and agree to disagree.  But there is a well-placed philosophy in my post.  Consider me a Bushie - I really don&#039;t care.  If you did any amount of research, you would find that is far from the truth.

I had a discussion with a Yale grad, she ran the numbers on global warming.  It was intellectually stimulating for about 10 minutes.  She saw the data, after all.  Who am I to question it?  I asked her if the person who gave her the data might be biased.  I asked her if there was any way to verify the data before she got it.  Another unanswered question was whether she saw ANY data that was contrary to her findings.  When I walked away from her, shaking my head in amazement that such a closed-minded ignoramus could be a Yale graduate, she was repeating for the 10th time, &quot;I know what I know!&quot;

Do you know what you know?  More importantly, do you know what you don&#039;t know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Don &#8211; it is easy to dismiss me as a Newsmax fanatic.  Easy to call it a politically partisan attack.  I consider it a tad xenophobic, but if that is what keeps you sane then just roll on and agree to disagree.  But there is a well-placed philosophy in my post.  Consider me a Bushie &#8211; I really don&#8217;t care.  If you did any amount of research, you would find that is far from the truth.</p>
<p>I had a discussion with a Yale grad, she ran the numbers on global warming.  It was intellectually stimulating for about 10 minutes.  She saw the data, after all.  Who am I to question it?  I asked her if the person who gave her the data might be biased.  I asked her if there was any way to verify the data before she got it.  Another unanswered question was whether she saw ANY data that was contrary to her findings.  When I walked away from her, shaking my head in amazement that such a closed-minded ignoramus could be a Yale graduate, she was repeating for the 10th time, &#8220;I know what I know!&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you know what you know?  More importantly, do you know what you don&#8217;t know?</p>
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		<title>By: The_Whistler_ofnd</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_earth_is_melting/#comment-42331</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Whistler_ofnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I found funny is the liberals used to claim that 20,000 scientists at the South American (Rio?) conference agreed that we were causing Global Warming.

The only problem was that they weren&#039;t 20,000 climatologists.  The majority were social scientists whatever that means.

I recall a fact from a few years ago.  There have been 5 climatologists that have received the Nobel Prize.

Two of the five believe in man made global warming.  

How do we know that what we do wouldn&#039;t make things worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I found funny is the liberals used to claim that 20,000 scientists at the South American (Rio?) conference agreed that we were causing Global Warming.</p>
<p>The only problem was that they weren&#8217;t 20,000 climatologists.  The majority were social scientists whatever that means.</p>
<p>I recall a fact from a few years ago.  There have been 5 climatologists that have received the Nobel Prize.</p>
<p>Two of the five believe in man made global warming.  </p>
<p>How do we know that what we do wouldn&#8217;t make things worse.</p>
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		<title>By: natty dark</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_earth_is_melting/#comment-42332</link>
		<dc:creator>natty dark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to use the democratic approach towards science, then the earth is the flat center of the universe.

Why is it so hard to believe that those who were taught with disinformation may be misinforming others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to use the democratic approach towards science, then the earth is the flat center of the universe.</p>
<p>Why is it so hard to believe that those who were taught with disinformation may be misinforming others?</p>
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		<title>By: natty dark</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_earth_is_melting/#comment-42333</link>
		<dc:creator>natty dark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to be:

1) 2) and 3) making assumptions on which you have no clue. 

My experience exceeds your assumptions, but laying it out for your inspection will not satisfy you so I will not bother.  The word insatiable comes to mind.

My philosophy did not spawn from this chick from Yale.  This chick from Yale was one of the authorities on which your beliefs are founded.  But then again, you know what you know.  How can there be anything else?

My mention on the flat earth theory seems to be beyond your ability to see as an attempt at humor.  But this stagnant resilience to consider that the earth is cyclical, and those cycles exceed documented history, is equivalent to locking up Galileo when he presented the theory of the earth not being the center of the universe, or around the time when Christopher Columbus was told by modern science that his boats would fall off the edge of the earth if he sailed too far.

My mention of the Bushies is in response to your constant reference to them - inside the White House - as the epitome of all things stupid, which reeks of your political affiliation.  This theory has nothing to do with Dems, or Reps, or who is president.

This is what happens when someone uses politics to address science.  Data loses its relevance and messengers become targets.  

I may respond to your future posts, or I may not.  If I choose to, it will be for my enjoyment, for it is obvious what an act of futility it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to be:</p>
<p>1) 2) and 3) making assumptions on which you have no clue. </p>
<p>My experience exceeds your assumptions, but laying it out for your inspection will not satisfy you so I will not bother.  The word insatiable comes to mind.</p>
<p>My philosophy did not spawn from this chick from Yale.  This chick from Yale was one of the authorities on which your beliefs are founded.  But then again, you know what you know.  How can there be anything else?</p>
<p>My mention on the flat earth theory seems to be beyond your ability to see as an attempt at humor.  But this stagnant resilience to consider that the earth is cyclical, and those cycles exceed documented history, is equivalent to locking up Galileo when he presented the theory of the earth not being the center of the universe, or around the time when Christopher Columbus was told by modern science that his boats would fall off the edge of the earth if he sailed too far.</p>
<p>My mention of the Bushies is in response to your constant reference to them &#8211; inside the White House &#8211; as the epitome of all things stupid, which reeks of your political affiliation.  This theory has nothing to do with Dems, or Reps, or who is president.</p>
<p>This is what happens when someone uses politics to address science.  Data loses its relevance and messengers become targets.  </p>
<p>I may respond to your future posts, or I may not.  If I choose to, it will be for my enjoyment, for it is obvious what an act of futility it is.</p>
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		<title>By: likwidshoe</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_earth_is_melting/#comment-42334</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don Myers spit out, &lt;i&gt;So you&#039;re saying that science has an inherent anti-Bush bias? Well, that sounds about right to me...&lt;/i&gt;

No, that&#039;s not what he&#039;s saying at all. Although I could see how you would want him to say that because you have very little to no argument unless you put up this stupid strawman. What he&#039;s basically saying is that man-made global warming is a &lt;i&gt;theory&lt;/i&gt; and not a proven fact in any sense of the word. A &lt;i&gt;theory&lt;/i&gt; Don. I&#039;ll say it again since you seem to be stuck on stupid: a &lt;b&gt;theory&lt;/b&gt;. Got it? Good.

&lt;i&gt;Also, natty, the only people still suggesting that &quot;the earth is the flat center of the universe&quot; are the creationists and religious zealots--and, of course, their lapdogs in the White House.&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks for showing us once again that you are not a serious person grounded in reality &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; who will take any and every opportunity to turn things into an ugly political contest.

&lt;i&gt;I can assure you that &quot;the general concensus of scientists&quot; is NOT a flat earth in a geocentric universe. Not in this century or outside the White House, at least.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not that way in the White House either. Stop being a jackass.

&lt;i&gt;In conclusion, we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree--with me relying on &lt;b&gt;science&lt;/b&gt;, and you relying on second-rate punditry and your &quot;well-placed philosophy.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll rewrite that so that it makes more sense: &quot;In conclusion, we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree--with me relying on &lt;b&gt;science&lt;/b&gt; being a hostile jackass, and you relying on second-rate punditry and your &#039;well-placed philosophy.&#039; questions I can&#039;t and won&#039;t address.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;Today, prevailing science regarding climatology conflicts with the prevailing neocon dogma.&lt;/i&gt;

The religious dogma displayed here is coming from you. Natty is questioning your dogma and you have gotten hostile. So you&#039;re almost right here, you just had the sides switched.

&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s obvious from your which side of that conflict you&#039;re on, dude, and it&#039;s not on the side of math and science.&lt;/i&gt;

Care to explain this Don is do you just say these kinds of things to replace a real argument?

&lt;i&gt;I know, I know...All I have to do is shine a tiny bit of light into the dark, dank closet of modern neocon thinking, and they all get so bitchy&lt;/i&gt;

Always a cocksucker, aren&#039;t you?

Dave said, &lt;i&gt;Probably would have gone with, &quot;...then the earth is 10,000 years old.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Since like 45% of Americans believe that. Yikes.&lt;/i&gt;

Can you prove this Dave? Any hard numbers? Perhaps some poll out there asking this very question?

modern instances said, &lt;i&gt;Bill Hicks was a fuckin genius. It&#039;s really scary how &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103850/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;prophistic&lt;/a&gt; he was.&lt;/i&gt;

Could you explain that? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Myers spit out, <i>So you&#8217;re saying that science has an inherent anti-Bush bias? Well, that sounds about right to me&#8230;</i></p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s not what he&#8217;s saying at all. Although I could see how you would want him to say that because you have very little to no argument unless you put up this stupid strawman. What he&#8217;s basically saying is that man-made global warming is a <i>theory</i> and not a proven fact in any sense of the word. A <i>theory</i> Don. I&#8217;ll say it again since you seem to be stuck on stupid: a <b>theory</b>. Got it? Good.</p>
<p><i>Also, natty, the only people still suggesting that &#8220;the earth is the flat center of the universe&#8221; are the creationists and religious zealots&#8211;and, of course, their lapdogs in the White House.</i></p>
<p>Thanks for showing us once again that you are not a serious person grounded in reality <i>and</i> who will take any and every opportunity to turn things into an ugly political contest.</p>
<p><i>I can assure you that &#8220;the general concensus of scientists&#8221; is NOT a flat earth in a geocentric universe. Not in this century or outside the White House, at least.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that way in the White House either. Stop being a jackass.</p>
<p><i>In conclusion, we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree&#8211;with me relying on <b>science</b>, and you relying on second-rate punditry and your &#8220;well-placed philosophy.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll rewrite that so that it makes more sense: &#8220;In conclusion, we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree&#8211;with me relying on <b>science</b> being a hostile jackass, and you relying on second-rate punditry and your &#8216;well-placed philosophy.&#8217; questions I can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t address.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>Today, prevailing science regarding climatology conflicts with the prevailing neocon dogma.</i></p>
<p>The religious dogma displayed here is coming from you. Natty is questioning your dogma and you have gotten hostile. So you&#8217;re almost right here, you just had the sides switched.</p>
<p><i>It&#8217;s obvious from your which side of that conflict you&#8217;re on, dude, and it&#8217;s not on the side of math and science.</i></p>
<p>Care to explain this Don is do you just say these kinds of things to replace a real argument?</p>
<p><i>I know, I know&#8230;All I have to do is shine a tiny bit of light into the dark, dank closet of modern neocon thinking, and they all get so bitchy</i></p>
<p>Always a cocksucker, aren&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Dave said, <i>Probably would have gone with, &#8220;&#8230;then the earth is 10,000 years old.&#8221;</i></p>
<p><i>Since like 45% of Americans believe that. Yikes.</i></p>
<p>Can you prove this Dave? Any hard numbers? Perhaps some poll out there asking this very question?</p>
<p>modern instances said, <i>Bill Hicks was a fuckin genius. It&#8217;s really scary how <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103850/" rel="nofollow">prophistic</a> he was.</i></p>
<p>Could you explain that? Thanks.</p>
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