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Thursday, December 13, 2007

The Baseball Steroids List

You can read the whole thing here.  Sosa and McGuire are on it, as well as Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens.

As a Yankees fan Clemens I sort of expected, but Pettitte surprises me.  Of course, as close as he and Clemens have been over the years, maybe I shouldn’t be surprised.

So what should baseball do with this?  I’m thinking at least a 40 game suspension for each active player named, and a disqualification from the Hall of Fame for all players involved.  That includes Bonds and Clemens, and it also means that McGuire should be booted.

It’s painful to say, but I think it needs to be done to both restore purity to the game and to regain the trust of the fans.

Update: Looks like the list at the link above is being disputed by some parties, and supported by others.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see, but it sounds like the case against Clemens and Pettitte is pretty good.

Update: Here’s the full report via MLB.

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Hey Rob, they pulled the story pending more verification.

Justin B. on December 13, 2007 at 10:38 am
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Perhaps someone made a stink?  The list is no longer up as it is being “crosschecked”. 

Any other names you remember?

Jay on December 13, 2007 at 10:41 am

No surprise that the Yankees are a big bunch of cheaters.


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The Whistler on December 13, 2007 at 10:43 am

That $30M prorated contract Rocket signed would sure buy a bunch of HGH.

Justin B. on December 13, 2007 at 11:03 am
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That $30M prorated contract Rocket signed would sure buy a bunch of HGH.

As would the 275 million A-Rod’s due to get.  Wonder if he’s on there too.

Jay on December 13, 2007 at 11:05 am

“crosschecked”

LOL.. what a joke! It’s not being crosschecked, how much you want to bet it’s lawyers getting involved?
Sheesh.. it’s beginning to be hard to find the fun in sports anymore
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Anna on December 13, 2007 at 11:07 am
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Wood and Prior were on the list as well.

The link says some are disputing the list, others are standing by it.

I guess we’ll see.  At this point, Mitchell needs to just release the thing for transparency’s sake.


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Rob on December 13, 2007 at 11:17 am

It’s only the tip of the iceberg.

If you’re going to go after Bonds, you need to eliminate all records that were created by professional baseball at a time when these activities were not illegal.

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I just updated the post with the full report via MLB.

A notable addition to the list of players if Miguel Tejada, who interestingly enough was just yesterday traded to the Astros in a major deal.


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Rob on December 13, 2007 at 01:26 pm
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Either a premature article, or perhaps Senator Mitchell is realizing that the use of “iffy” sources is likely to get him sued from Tacoma to Toledo.

Sorry, but if he’s got good evidence that ballplayers were illegally using steroids, he needs to go to the DA, not the press.  If he’s got evidence that they were legally used, he needs to go to MLB and work there to get monthly testing done for this stuff.  It’s horrendous that he’s going to the press here.

Bike Bubba on December 13, 2007 at 01:41 pm

HAH! Told ya so! tongue wink

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That’s why the list was pulled.


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Anna on December 14, 2007 at 08:07 am
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Laurie Bennett over at Muckety.com has an interesting interactive relationship map of many of the players involved in the Mitchell report.

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Here is the lede of the story… but you have to see the map to get the “Big Picture”

Two major informants play central roles in the searing report on steroid use in baseball, released yesterday by former Sen. George Mitchell.

Kirk Radomski, a former Mets clubhouse attendant, and Brian McNamee, a former strength trainer for the Yankees and Blue Jays, provided much of the information linking players to drug use. The document named 89 players, including superstars Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco and Jason Giambi.

John Decker on December 14, 2007 at 08:52 am
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