The Appalling State Of Our Indian Reservations

Yesterday I had occasion to spend about 15 hours visiting people on the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation in northern North Dakota, and I’ve got to say that I was pretty shocked by what I saw.
I’ve spent a lot of time on North Dakota’s Indian reservations. I’ve worked there, visited businesses and restaurants and driven throughout them. I’ve even been up to a lot of people’s houses to deliver things or obtain information, so I’ve been aware of the poor conditions on the reservations for some time, but never before yesterday have I had the opportunity to have such an intimate look at life on the reservation. I was not impressed with what I saw.
The first thing I noticed was that while I was going around neighborhoods and knocking on doors was that nearly everyone seemed to be at home. Just about every knock received an answer. In a non-reservation community when I go through residential neighborhoods during the day it’s hard to find people at home. Everyone is out and busy. Why isn’t it like this on the reservation? Probably because in most of North Dakota the unemployment rate is around 3%, while on the Indian reservations it’s about 65%.
Which is a sad commentary in and of itself, but rampant unemployment aside the simple reality of the conditions these people are living in is even more amazing. I saw kids playing outside, on a day when the temperature was just below freezing, in shorts and bare feet (though they were wearing parkas). I met people living in homes with broken out windows and nothing but a piece of plywood or some plastic stretched over them to keep out the cold. I saw homes with dozens of abandoned vehicles around them, and took in smells emitting from some of the doors that were opened to me that brought tears to my eyes. Inside the homes I saw mountains of unwashed dishes, mounds of unwashed clothes, overflowing trash cans, walls literally dripping with nicotine from the constant smoking and throughout it all children playing in the reek.
And the people living in these homes were as disappointing as the homes themselves. I met people who were drunk (or high or something) at noon, even as their children played in the road and on the twisted, sharp metal of abandoned cars. I saw a visibly pregnant mother smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer. I met a woman who was 29 years old and already a grandmother (to no fewer than three grandchildren) thanks to both her and her daughter’s young pregnancies. I met men and women, fathers and mothers, who had spent more of their lives in prison then out of prison. I met entire families whose only source of income seemed to be from stealing or selling drugs plus whatever they got from the government in terms of assistance.
I have heard tales from the notorious slums in places like Los Angeles and New York, but I’m not sure those slums can beat North Dakota’s Indian reservations in terms of pure filth and abhorrent living conditions.
So how is this happening in North Dakota? A state that is thriving economically right now? A state where the unemployment rate is so low that employers are practically screaming for workers? I know why it’s happening, but not a lot of people are going to want to hear it.
It’s happening because of the total failure of the idea embraced by some that the government exists to take care of us. The government has been taking care of North Dakota’s Indians, but it’s harming them more than it’s helping.

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  • http://Array jackson

    After reading the article I was offended by most of what was stated in the article because it is not fair and it is one sided. Obviously there wasn’t nearly enough research done before writing the article. I do see that you did apologize

    Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa(TMBCI) has hundreds of well educated and/or trained “workers” including medical doctors, licensed attorneys, engineers, PHD’s and also self owned businesses, electricians, educators, etc… Many live on the reservation some live off. Many work on the reservation many work off the reservation. We also have some people who don’t work and can’t find work due to NO jobs available. Our population is so high compared to the land base and there is not enough work available. We do have many employers such as our casino, the tribe itself, Turtle Mountain Community Schools (1605 enrolled k-12 students), Ojibewa School(unsure of enrollment 300-400), TM Community College, TM Manufacturing, CTI, Quentin Burdick Health Care Facility, BIA, private businesses, and several more including surrounding indian communities.

    Some of our people will not move away from their families. Family is everything to our people.

    Our lifestyles are improving all of the time. Most attend our community college and move on to pursue their Bachelor’s, Master’s, PHD’s, and Doctorate’s degree. Coming out of poverty is not going to improve overnight it will take years and years. Welfare is not what people want to live on–you can’t survive on welfare (now TANF) The program is not for life; you can only be on it so long and there is a cap on how much you can receive regardless of how many dependants you have. There are requirements such as attending training sessions on work skills, social skills, life skills and job searching. Once that is completed–you are “cut off” of TANF. So there is probably a lot of people out there who have went through this and now receive absolutely nothing to live on and do not live off of the government. I don’t know how they survive, but they are–it is their business if they choose not to work and live the life they live. And if they can’t find a job we cannot judge them for that–

    Our casino is not profitable;it is basically an employement agency for our people. Probably 99% of the 400 employees are Native American. We are not located in a suburban area so our profits are low. Profits go back in to employing our people for the tribe and casino.

    I know I kind of jumped around but this is not an essay and I just wanted to relay some information and give you some websites to go to.

    http://www.tmbci.net/index.html
    http://www.tm.edu

  • carrick

    Biskakone:

    Thats what happens when you force white ways on any dark race

    This is both racist and ignorant. It’s hardly just “white ways.” Many cultures and races (including Asians, Asian Indians, Blacks, Arabs and yes even Amerindians) have contributed to the “main stream” culture, which is the synthesis of thousands of years of human struggle.

    Though the use of a Macintosh is a commendable, and I understand the problem of living in two worlds. It is also the same one that many blacks in black ghettos are faced with when trying to “better themselves.” The only real solution in bettering oneself, for many of them, is to leave their birth home, which only impoverishes those they leave behind even more…

  • robert108

    Bat: I’m sure it will be even less effective than the boycott by the illegals was.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    without… slamming the people from the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation.

    Can you point to even one instance where I “slammed” anyone from Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation other than you and Xene, who came first with your name calling and slurs?

  • carrick

    Rob, according to the census bureau, urban areas in Nodak have a net population influx. It is the rural areas that are losing people…

  • carrick

    Thanks for the like Likwidshoe. These are rather jarring numbers:

    The poverty rate for American Indians in North Dakota is more than three times the rate for North Dakota All Races population: 38% compared to 11%.

    American Indians are nearly three times as likely to live in households without plumbing facilities as the general North Dakota population.

    Unemployment varies from reservation to reservation, but averages 63% for North Dakota American Indians as compared to the overall U.S. rate of 5.1%.

    I’d be curious to compare TMR against surrounding areas. I’d put money on the TMR unemployment rate being much higher. So how can we blame the remoteness of the region on the unemployment rate?

    I’ve already said where I thought the blame lies:

    * Federally support that removes incentives for people to work.
    * Corrupt leaders on the reservations who leverage on the disproportionate power given to them via control of federal dollars
    * An entitlement mentality generated by the harm done to the Amerindian’s ancestors by the white majority’s ancestors.

    Nobody here fought in an Indian war, most of us on the “white side” would like to correct the inequities of the past. We just don’t feel that the reservation system that our inept ancestors set up is working. The numbers I quoted above prove that.

    The reservation system as it exists in this country is broken, and needs to to completely overhauled. That is the take home message from Rob’s commentary that so many people have found offensive.

  • 2Hotel9

    Here is an adequate link, I believe.

  • Faith

    Great job my vegetarian buddy. Let’s live as one color and one cause to good for the greater! and btw Rob my aunt takes care of my grandma 24/7 because no one will see her in a nursing home, she recieves welfare.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Anyways good look on going to reservations anymore hopefully nobody scalps you.

    Now come on. Admit that if we had said that we’d be called out for inappropriate stereotypes. :)

  • philus

    It’s NEVER fritless to want to see people treated right….and judt cause the native Americans didnt seem to speak and take the same approaches to progress or establishment that the white man did , dose not mean that they should be treated as less. They simply should have been LEFT ALONE TO LIVE!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    I thought this was sayanything.com

    It’s not. This is sayanythingblog.com.

    i guess this is not sayanything.com

    You guess right!

  • Dawn DeCoteau

    Okay, I do admit that some of my article was childish but you don’t realize what it takes to show that you yourself are not just a “drunken Indian” like people think we are. I know that the reservations need help. People are trying. I just think you should realize that the Native Americans are trying to improve. You don’t see Bush helping our homeless that much or our hungry, he just helps every other country. Anyways good look on going to reservations anymore hopefully nobody scalps you.

  • noneofyourbusiness

    out of the 60-70 % of people that are unemployed on the reservation rob did you ever take into consideration that maybe a % of those people may be medicaly disabled, or elderly and cant work

  • carrick

    AV:

    America had 50% of the world’s wealth straight after WWII, yet now the Europeans have probably caught up.

    Got a reference for that one?

    These days, there isn’t that much difference currently between national wealth/capita among developed nations, so I’d expect to see most of the effect for wealth versus nation as due to population size.

    The actual numbers by the way are 30% of the wealth is owned by the US, another 30% by “old Europe” (United Kingdom, France, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Austria). Populations are comparable, the US has about 280 million and “old Europe” closer to 340 million.

    A great reference for all of this is Where is the Wealth of Nations?, a report by the World Bank.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Proof. Let me tell you a story. We have people on this reservation who try their best to make things better, but they are faced with being treated poorly by banks, loan institutions, etc. It’s very hard to get a loan on many reservations to start businesses. Did you know that? We have an outstanding tribal member on this reservation who had a dream to start a Taco Johns business. He banked in Rolla, ND (non-Indian town adjacent to the reservation) for many years. He had collateral. He had money saved. Do you think he could get a business loan from that bank? No. He had to eventually go to the Native American Bank in Montana. This Montana bank, Native owned, didn’t hesitate to give the loan. Belcourt now has a Taco Johns.

    I’ve had bankers treat me like crap before too.

    Maybe the bankers a jerk or maybe he doesn’t like investing in fast food businesses.

    I don’t remember if Rolla has a Taco Johns? Maybe someone wanted to start one there. It costs a lot to open a fast food restaurant. And the success rate even in larger towns isn’t that great.

    I also had a local banker say that they had legal problems when they tried to foreclose (auto’s) in the reservation. He didn’t think they got a fair shake from the tribal courts. I don’t know, maybe the banker was lying, I thought he was kinda a jerk anyway.

    But hey I’m glad that the Taco Johns guy is doing well. I hope he lets the banker in Rolla know that he lost a good loan. That’s the best revenge on bankers is to let them know you can deal without them. (I saw the prick banker at lunch today, I let him know things are going well for me (too bad for him).

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    How about giving Rob a break! He wrote about something he observed and cared enough to give it some attention…

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    you’re really showing your brains (lack thereof).

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Rob Port and the Tellitubbies Moron choir,
    Did you approve the Gay Indian Men advertisement on your blog site because your Homo-phobics as well as
    jealous of tribes? You cheap abusers.
    Your (sic) a pack of dogs!

    Xene obviously has no arguments to offer and can only vomit up cheap insults. Pathetic!

  • carrick

    Likwid, I should have made it clear I was using population numbers at the time that the wealth assessment was done….

  • Andy L

    Whistler. Why don’t you just shut up. You troll.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I do not totally agree with everything that Rob Port has to say. It is to bad that he is basing his visit to the housing projects as a overall view of The Turtle Mountain Reservation

    Braveheart: Thank you for your rational disagreement with Mr. Port. It is a welcome change from the threats, and name calling rants from the likes of Andy L.

  • Troy_Pineri

    If Mexico had won do you think there would be this outcry for the poor Americanos? No. Spanish would be the language from South America to Canada.

    Found here

    Pilgrim –

    What are you talking about? Mexicans were never a Native American Tribe and Spanish is definately not a New World Language. If the “Indians”; the Aztecs and the allies specifically had beaten Cortez there would be no Mexicans.

  • carrick

    TMBCImember, is the Turtle Mountain Times online or is there anyway for us outsiders to get a PDF copy of it?

    Thanks for your comments though. Banning some of your tribal leaders from the res may be a positive step in any case. Just a suggestion. ;-)

  • Andy L

    zha zha. Have you ever been to Turtle Mountains? Or, any other reservation in North Dakota for that matter? Do you know anyone from those places? The situation is a lot different in Oklahoma, as it should be. Are you located in North Dakota?

  • Faith

    Great Job Jackson!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • robert108

    America had 50% of the world’s wealth straight after WWII, yet now the Europeans have probably caught up.

    This is the typical leftie dishonesty with numbers. AV’s implication is that the US has become less wealthy since WWII, which is obviously false. The truth is, the whole world has become much wealthier, due mostly to the dynamic US economic system. China’s economic growth, for instance, has been almost entirely based on being able to sell to the US market. Ditto Japan. We have a smaller piece of a much larger pie; a pie which grows on a daily basis. Marx was wrong.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Hey! Here’s a question for Lik, Rob, Whistler, Neiman, Robert, Batman and anyone else who has apparently chosen sides. Why is it that each of you have never addressed anything pertinent that we ask or acknowledge any of our issues? Are you that afraid?

    I don’t think of one pertinent thing you’ve said.

    Here’s some guidelines. If you can answer this I’ll answer your nutjob off-topic questions.

    In what provable ways did Rob say anything that wasn’t true in his original post?

    Why would any rational person be upset over someone writing something that was true and wishing better for people?

  • carrick

    Anarchist Vegetarian:

    Really? I thought anarchism was hip again. I thought that Seattle ‘99 showed that clearly.

    It’s as hip a pop culture movement as crystals and astrology. Which says nothing.

    As a philosophical framework, it’s long dead.

    But here’s an example of the problems with your claim that property rights protect the rich:

    QINGLONG, China — Xu Xiang, a 37-year-old reporter, showed up in this Sichuan province town in December, tasked with investigating allegations that officials had forced residents off their farmland. Over two days, he interviewed farmers and local authorities, taking time to view the gleaming white chemical factory and the long rows of unoccupied stores that have replaced many of Qinglong’s rich green rice paddies.

    Reporting on an eviction of farmers from their land by corrupt Chinese communist party members.

    Laws don’t protect the wealthy from the poor. The police do that. Laws protect the poor from the excesses of the rich and powerful. Anarchy is the friend of the rich and powerful.

    You have your valence 180 degrees off. If you didn’t though, you probably wouldn’t be an anarchist.

  • Bat One

    I’d still like to know why the stores Andy contemplates boycotting belong to someone else and not to him or to “his people.”

    There’s a lesson here, for someone willing to see it for what it is. Independence is something to be proud of. Dependence is not.

  • zac

    Docdave? so I hear you got docd on you spelling test to hu but I you seemed to come up with 100% wihile I only got 98% for spelling Bureau wrong oh crud I dont get a gold star next to my name on the chalk board. Shuks my mom is going to be super mad at me I might even have to polish the pilgrims shoe oh gosh golly no. I mean whats up with you are your panties in a bunch because if someone spells something wrong you cant read it.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    but corporations get limited liability, that’s almost like welfare for shareholders.

    And green apples are almost like rocks.

    I love how the retards have to ignore logic in order to make their point.

    But if government gives money to the genuinely poor,

    The government doesn’t give anything to anyone. They take money from one group and give it to another bunch.

    Now personally I don’t mind that as much when the recipients are in desperate straits due to no fault of their own. But to take the money from people who make good choices and give it to people who make poor choices is wrong.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Andy what exactly what would be the reason for a boycott?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Rob – next time you need to take pictures. Then we can sit back and watch the idiots and the paranoid proclaim the pictures to be “racist”.

  • robert108

    This is all pure stereotypical hatred coming from a while male perspective.

    A perfect example of stereotypical hatred of white men.

  • 2Hotel9

    andy, you want to sling crap, crap will get slung back. And just to clear the water, all my familial relations that resided on 3 different Reservations have long since gone out into the World. They understood in the mid-’70s that BIA and Dept Interior were not, ever, going to change. And yes, they hold and cherish and pass their tribal traditions and history to their grandchildren.

    As long as you spew nouveau-Marxist dialectic you illustrate yourself to be no better, or different, than the mainstream race-baiting, povertypimps embodied by the august personages of Jesse Jackson,Charlie Rangel,Al Sharpton, et al.

    Want to help your “people”? Open a business. Spend the next 6 months raising money to buy farming equipment/materials.

    Get a fucking clue.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    You really hurt my feelings, you racist trolls.

    Interesting that I ask for exactly what reasons you’d have to boycott over this you have to resort to the overused racist card.

    I’m thinking that shows that you don’t really have a gripe but that you are angry with the world.

  • 2Hotel9

    The only organized anti-indian groups in America are the Dept of Interior and Bureau of Indian Affairs, and your owners, the Democrat Party. A fact you are well aware of, since you are working so hard to destroy the Tribes and strip them of anything they have a legitimate claim to, andy. Backstabbing, lying, betrayal. Those are the tools that Marxist shitbags like you use to steal other people’s possessions and lives.

    You go to some other site, like your home over at D Kos, leftard lying asshole.

  • Troy_Pineri

    Yes, Troy; human sacrifice for everyone! Yay!

    What does this comment mean? Because the Aztecs practiced human sacrifice? Isn’t the foundation of your religion on human sacrifice also? And don’t also eat the flesh and drink the blood of your savior? Yeah totally different my bad.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Hey bonehead, this was the opposite of what normally happened during those times.

    Conquered people were given no status and left to make it or not.

    In this case the government at the time gave the indians plenty of land (at least in Acreage) and which would have allowed them to do pretty well.

  • philus

    Graeme you got it

  • NorthDakotan

    I spent 20 years of my life in and around a reservation in north dakota. The natives americans there have grown to rely on the government for everything. They expect that every white person should wait on them hand foot and they do not have to provide for themselves or there children, someone should do that for them. I worked at a local grocerie store near the Spirit Lake Reservation, and if I was doing something for another customer (a non-native american customer) and there was a native american customer needing something i was suddenly a “Racist” for not helping them first. They expect that the government should build them a house and give them a check on the first of the month because the white man “stole” their ancestors land and made them move to the reservation. Well from my understanding when the first white people came to this land the natives americans told them the land didnt belong to anyone so he claimed it for himself. If they have a problem with that they should take it up with their ancestors and not expect to have everything handed to them. Wheres the motivation to get a job when you know you can get a check from the government every month just by playing the race card. Dont get me wrong im not saying that “Every” native american is moneygrubing lazy and racist, Ive known quite a few that have made good lives for themselves. And they didnt have to get money from the goverment to do it either. And the situation with the kids running around outside in freezing weather with no supervision, well if your native american you can get more goverment money for each child you have, and even more if that child is born out of wedlock. So now you have all these children being born so their mother can get a few more dollars on her EBT card and also get WIC. These children have very little disipline, as do most children born out of wedlock and whos fathers are not around. So here we are a few generations after this began and it has become a way of life for them. If we really wanted to change the situation there we would stop giveing them money based on there race, we would disband the reservations and stop giving them housing. That would be great motivation for them to get jobs and make thier own way.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Mr. Peabody is not stupid.

    And even as a cartoon character, has a better grasp of history than Xene!

  • robert108

    Isn’t the foundation of your religion on human sacrifice also? And don’t also eat the flesh and drink the blood of your savior? Yeah totally different my bad.

    No. You are wrong there, but your antiChristian ignorant bigotry is showing. The Aztecs recruited thousands of children to be sacrificed. Jesus Christ turned a false accusation and unjust death penalty into universal forgiveness. I’m sorry you can’t see the difference.

  • Faith

    wasn’t meant to hurt, I’m not like that, there’s to much hate and bad things in the world and I am not going to be apart of the bad.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    This is between TMBCI and Andy L.

    And since it’s only a public forum, you had every expectation that it was a private conversation!
    And since you refer to yourself in the third person, we should regard you as rational despite all the evidence to the contrary!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Andy is telling the truth about his IP.

    On the other hand I don’t agree that the editorial was mean, abusive or uninformed.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Whistler, quit trying to read between the lines. You are wrong again. I am an Indian.

    Where did I say differently Andy? I really really want me to know.

    he said as long as there is one drop of Indian in you, you are an Indian!

    I believe I qualify then and Andy’s still wrong about everything.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Nerds

    Man that hurt! :)

  • 2Hotel9

    andy, you can spew your white-guilt leftarded crap all you want. You do not care at all about people or conditions on any Rez. You are no more a Native American than Boris Yeltsin. The socialist disease has rotted your brain. All you care about is getting your welfare and foodstamps.(Toot? Did I cover all the bases?)

  • Bat One

    Andy,

    My remark was not directed at your lack of purchasing power, but at your lack of sensibility instead.

    Here’s another one for you: Why is it that the stores you contemplate boycotting, whatever your specious rationale, belong to someone else and not to you?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Walter Williams describes himself as a radical such as the founding fathers.

  • zac

    carrick mabey a white guy from Minot shouldn’t have been pointing out problems that where not his to point out.

  • Andy L

    Doc, the only reason you see it that way is because you just don’t understand the importance of treaties, treaty rights, sovereignty, cultural survival. In Minnesota, everyone is angry because of the White Earth Land Settlement Act and the treaty cases those tribes have been winning over there. They have hunting and fishing rights. Non-Indians are angry about that. Thus we have “TEA Parties”. Efforts to abolish Mille Lacs Indian Reservation.

    In Wisconsin, again treaty rights are established. Then we had nut cases stating “kill an Indian, save a fish” and the idiots started selling treaty beer to raise money to fight Indian rights. Now, everyone is in the same boat over there and fighting conglomerate interests supported by Fred Thompson.

    CERA started in Montana over land issues and disagreement over treaty rights. The list goes on and on.

    Our movement in Indian Country is organized. We will not give up. Your perceptions are flawed. Study the issues. Try to understand my perspective.

    Tribal autonomy and sovereignty need to be protected at all costs. enough said.

  • docdave

    Andy, although a bit vulgar [he's a cranky old man] he has some good points. I believe that in order to move forward (and this is true of anyone tied to nanny government strings) one should get clear of government as much as possible. If I was in a position of power in a tribe, the first thing I would do is get clear title to my land. Next I would try to eliminate any ties with the tyrannical BIA. Then I would eliminate any government programs that have government employe overseers. Now you can truly independant moving forward to enjoy the fruits of this great nation in which your ancestors lived and prospered.

    I, like Rob, see the rez system as an albatross holding you back from your real potential. Remember the rez idea was the Governemnts not the Indians. It’s way past time that all of you had an opportunity to make your own way in the country and the world. Hopefully you will find something better than the rez. Your ancestors had something better before it was taken from them. Maybe it’s time to rediscover that.

  • 2Hotel9

    WaaWaaWaa. Victim or citizen. Your choice. Stand up and be something. Or sit and be nothing.

  • 2Hotel9

    My favorite part is all the faux indian supporters. They are all incensed over Rob, one of the genuinely good people I have encountered in the last 10-15 years, because he points out several major problems that are in plain, public view. And that their political advocates routinely parade before media and Congress.

    Their disingenuousity knows no bounds.

  • unknown

    I think that Rob needs to get a fucking life and wake the fuck up

  • Andy L

    Sparkie, hotel and lik…It appears you guys are the only ones who are pissed off. Is it because you hate being confonted by the truth? All you guys know how to do is call names, manipulate ideas, distort facts, and attack those that make more sense than you (which is almost everyone else on earth).

    Admit it, you are all wrong. And, admit further that you are all a bunch of bigots and pigs.

  • Bat One

    Hey, Sparkie,

    Happy Birthday from me as well!! (Coddling not required)

  • Andy L

    Whistler, read my initial article. Look up CERA, STA, etc. Check out Zoltan’s website. Rob’s comments have everything to do with those organizations. check out Michael Berry too. He must be one of Rob’s buddies too. A fellow Republican, I’m sure.

  • 2Hotel9

    ZZ, don’t tell that lying piece of whitebread crap anything else! It is not an indian and damn well not a person you can trust. It will take any information you give and use it to steal from you.

    andy, we have all read the article, and your lying bullshit comment to which you keep referring. Poverty and crime and drug/alcohol abuse are rampant on all Rezs. Just like they are rampant in all major urban centers. And you are happy about that, it puts money in your pocket when they buy your crack,oxies, and meth. Your personal profit selling drugs is why you support the Reservation system and BIA/Dept of Interior. Just another racebaiting poverty pimp scumbag fuck. You are the Tribes worst enemy.

  • 2Hotel9

    I never liked scalps, they stink and are messy as hell. For confirmation of stepons I always prefer ears.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Terminal,

    Are you terminally ignorant as well as illiterate.

    It is none of your business!

    Go sit in the Hooskow if you don’t want to pay your taxes…I don’t give a shit what you think!

    Well I did read those stories in the state’s newspapers. Are they false? Have you challenged them to butt out.

    Rather than sit in the “hooskow” I’d rather talk to my neighbors and let them know what happens on the reservation is none of our business. We’ll contact our Congressmen with that information and let them know we’ve been asked to butt out.

  • robert108

    Actually it is true. Its called Transubstiation.

    Only for Roman Catholics. I’m a Lutheran, so you lied about me. Typical antiChristian ignorance. Jesus Christ was falsely accused and unjustly put to death. That’s fact. He turned this into a symbolic sacrifice for the purpose of universal forgiveness. You just can’t seem to understand simple factual information. I guess your brain is fogged by your hatred of Christianity. Too bad. Jesus died for you, too, Troy.

  • Selina

    Jackson for Chairmen!!!!

  • Faith

    Holy Crap we didnt wipe out 90% of anyones race ya Genius!!!!!!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    It is my civil right to face my accusers!

    Xene: You’re confusing the Internet with a court of law!

  • http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

    Jabberwocky,
    As an outside observer (I’m British), I do not have first hand experience of conditions on or off the reservations in the US, so must rely on second hand accounts & data and compare of what I have learned of other native communities worldwide.
    Most native communities in (colonised) countries worldwide face (or at least used to face) degrees of marginalisation and ostracisation from the colonisers, which in many cases has led to a certain amount of institutionalisation – a kind of victim syndrome – so it’s hardly surprising that you have reacted the way you have.
    Rob has repeatedly pointed out that his issue is not a personal attack, but the reactionists insist on behaving as if it is one.
    63% unemployment is definitely a cause for concern and would be anywhere in the world.

    Dang-nabbit! I don’t have time to continue, will post again this evening. Ta-ra, bach!

  • http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

    I understand the ideation of the right-wingers here saying that the Natives need to pull themselves out of poverty, however, as with the natives of Australia (and many Latin American countries) they have been ostracised from main-stream society for generations and their persecution complex (and therefore victimhood) has become a cultural phenomenon. Unfortunately, if we want the poverty to end, we need to keep throwing money at the reservation (whilst encouraging greater accountability within [the corridors of power of] them), perhaps in the form of encouraging manufacturers or power companies to relocate there (through subsidies).

  • Leroy

    Well, Andy- though obnoxious & ignorant, at least they try, huh? (hee-hee)

    –Try this one on for size: imagine an article that details all of the school shootings, violence, poor reading and math scores, poor attendance, high drop out rate, and etcetera. Imagine that it is titled,

    “The Appalling State of Our Public Education System”

    Question: is it talking about ALL of the children?

    No, of course not.

    Doesn’t matter if it’s talking about ALL the children…the title itself refers to the public education system as a whole, consisting of- yup, you guessed it- ALL the children. Now, imagine an article written from a short experience on a Reservation, based on visiting only a few spots, totally ignoring anything positive in any other spots, & it is titled:
    The Apalling State of our Indian Reservations.
    (‘Reservations’ being plural; you seem to be missing this somehow)
    Does it mean ALL the Reservations?
    We see the title refers to Reservations as a whole (Reservations consist of- yup, you guessed it again- Indians) Hmmm- what about the content of the article? Read it again, and- well, if you still can’t figure it out, then I guess you are deserving of more pity than I first assumed.

    –What games?

    Your malnourished posts.

    –What do I know “absolutely nothing about”?

    Indian issues in any aspect.

    Though you are strange, I find you quite amusing…
    but still of no use to me.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    I understand the ideation of the right-wingers here saying that the Natives need to pull themselves out of poverty, however, as with the natives of Australia (and many Latin American countries) they have been ostracised from main-stream society for generations and their persecution complex (and therefore victimhood) has become a cultural phenomenon.

    That makes me think of Asian immigrants. Nobody can deny that they are discriminated against in various forms. Yet, what happens? Normally, they come here and work hard and within half a generation (sometimes it takes one full generation) they are upper middle class.

    Persecution complexes are self imposed. Since I don’t feed into it, I’m declared a “bigot” by unthinking morons like Leroy up above.

  • Xene

    Rob Port and The Dakota Beacon,

    You will retract your article…it is a demand I make to you now. You are less than Human.

    Andy L. I am sorry if my language offended you…
    I am sorry you had to lower yourself to address this…

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    andy l – ignoring the many insults you’re throwing my way, can you explain what you mean here: Poor comparison, lik. You know it. Now, you are truly grasping at straws.

    How was it a “poor comparison”? Tell us. Just saying it doesn’t make it so.

    I, for one, know that the comparison is apt. It fits in every way. Leroy was talking about the title itself referring to “ALL the people”. I changed a minor point and asked if the new title referring to the schools refer to all children.

    (See what I just did there? I explained my reasoning. Why can’t you do the same?)

  • Bat One

    You imply that all Indians think the same and that we all have the same agenda.

    Andie,

    Au contraire! I have implied no such thing. You have obviously inferred that “all Indians think the same and have the same agenda.” Its a common mistake.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    I say FREE ROB! Banning Rob from the rez is unjust. IF his eyes were lying? Why not let him back on the rez so he can make sure his eyes were not playing tricks on him???…IF the things he believes he saw are not true? Why not allow him access to prove him wrong? I am sure Rob would be more than happy to be proven wrong!

  • Leroy

    Good Lord…Let’s try this one last time. ‘As a whole’ consists of ‘All’. (WHEN you graduate, you’ll understand synonyms- hang in there) The system consists of the children, so then it is the children.
    The Reservations consist- well, I’m gonna assume you get it, & just refuse to admit it, as I have faith that no-one who can read could be that challenged. You want to be the animator- you practically beg for the spotlight. Doesn’t matter, though. Your ignorance prevents you from drawing parallels between aspects of poverty on the Rez and off. In your community, in mine. In the real world, & in an article. Dysfunction? Have you seen the crime rates by state? By city? Do a search on your own community & state, and tell me what you find.
    One parent households and welfare exist all over America; apparently it is only significant to you on Indian Land. You search for specifics in an overall statement to you, & yet spend your time conjuring up ironic comments about anyone else who does the same concerning the article. I’ll let you deny your bigotry, again, and continue to dig yourself deeper and deeper- it’s fun to watch. Your posts remind me of those commercials where the guys are talking sports out of their-”"”
    You really do need help. Contradictory. What a- nevermind.

    ‘Grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls, the courage to debate with honest opponents, and the wisdom to know the difference’.

  • andy l

    I didn’t destroy the integrity of your reservation. The leaders who have created the conditions of rampant poverty and crime on the reservation have done that. I simply pointed out the problem.
    Rob on May 7, 2007 at 10:47 pm

    so you say. keep telling yourself that, rob. keep saying that on this thread. maybe, just maybe, someone will believ you.

  • notso

    carrick-i am turtle mountain but i am not rez
    was raised like a na you know, normal american

    sparkie-the hills do have eyes

    and to the smart alec earlier, i’m not borg either HA

    and since i wasn’t raised rez, i don’t understand what all the damn hullabaloo is all about

    some guy spent some time at belcourt and noticed some stuff, for cripes sake, didn’t you guys notice it too?????

    better start making your council and all others in power accountable
    let’s audit everything every year and see how many of our LEADERS stay in the crowbar hotel for their bullcrap

  • andy l

    You want all my people “fixed” so they don’t need any government aide, fine, stop all your people from the practices of racism and genocide, give us our land back so we can make a living, stop raping mother earth for her resources, and leave our children’s minds alone.
    FKFL on May 7, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    Couldn’t have said it better, FKFL. Your posting is great, by the way. And, we do have some attorneys working with us as we speak. Thanks so much. Andy

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    The most pathetic non-rebuttal ever.

  • docdave

    Rob, you really need to be railing at the BIA and the senseless treaties that were made by our government over the years that promised payment for their land ‘as long as the grass grows and the wind blows’ or similar language. Those treaties which are still upheld by the courts are what’s responsible for the creation of the Indian welfare system. Where the BIA is concerned is that they act as overseers for many of the reservations managing their royalty monies and denying the Indians clear title to their lands. Oh yes, corruption in the BIA has been rampant with much of the royalty money from oil and other tribal land resources mysterious unaccountable.

    Like most of us, we want to be free of government in our lives. I believe that many Indians feel the same way

  • Faith

    You have a lot of nerve! I built 2 houses in which I paid for without any assistance from any bank or programs and I make $12 an hour. I am 37 yrs old and have one 17 yr old son. I am not a grandmother or never been to jail. I hate drugs and feel sorry for those who use. My house is very clean and stay home a lot because there’s always something to do. I live on the TM rez. My families have built or purchased their own homes and live as I do. When you were knocking on doors and looking at those houses, you probably should looked a little harder because there is a lot of people with beautiful homes and who EVEN have jobs and I am pretty sure the le savage cleans on an occasion. I feel sorry for you if that’s all you have to see when you come home, your pretty bitter about something maybe your backyard needs a little cleaning. You know you sound familiar I betchya you were one of the scouts that lead Yellow Hair to the enemy!

  • carrick

    Notso, this is one of the things I was commenting on.

    Federal funds generally go into the hands of a select few administrators, and without good oversight, massive corruption is almost an inevitable consequence of such programs. These well meaning programs if anything only entrench the power of that select few.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Andy: How civil of you! On your best manners I see…

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Don’t even get me started on …Limbaugh!

    You’re the one who said his substitute host was antithetical to conservatives. (Of course, you used smaller words!)

  • docdave

    Reading the comments here at this post, I find I agree with most and disagree with others. What I think is lacking is an overall perspective on American Indians and detailed knowledge of their history.

    Rarely does a race of peopls in an entire continent do through as much deprivation as did the American Indians as a whole. From a population of several millions, they were reduced to around 200,000 with most of the attrition cause by diseases for which they had to immunity that were unintentionally brought from Europe by settlers. In many cases, the disease fatalities in a given tribe were 80 – 90 percent effectively destroying the infrustucture of the tribe. That the American Indians have survived extinction is a credit to their perseverance.

    By now some of you may be wondering where I get the expertise for this subject. Well first, I was born and raised on the White Earth reservation. Although living on non-Indian land, I attend school with Indians, hunted and fished on Indian land ahd had quite a few Indian friends. The reservation Indians at the time of my youth had a reputation for drunkeness and laziness, a stereotype that still exists today. Even in the small town where I lived there was unwarranted biases toward the Indians. Today the White Earth Indians are a viable people having a casino, in Mahnomen, and selling their home made products under the Native Harvent label. One of their products is native (wild) rice which harvested from the area lakes.

    I had also done an extensive study of the American Indian culture and have visited tribes from Montana to New Mexico. I have always been graciously welcomed. I found the Indians to be very patriotic with prominant display of the American flag with a color guard of their veterans at their pow-wows.

    Mostly the Indians want to be left alone to pursue life as they see it and they really don’t want non-Indians to tell them how to live their lives. It seems to me that is not an unreasonable goal since it is share by most of us.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    That little dog with the glasses is so cute! so condescending! so stupid!

    Mr. Peabody is not stupid.

    Born, raised, educated and live in the state thank you.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Nice try Andy I’m really sure you tried your best but that was insulting, this post is condescending.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I”m sure glad that there’s folks like you in the Turtle Mountain community. To fix the problems on the reservation is going to take some strong leadership from within.

    No amount of outside ‘help’ will fix the problems.

  • Faith

    and btw for the rest of you, casinos have their ups and downs and the state sure gets there share of money from our casinos. And what’s the big deal is it so hard for anyone to actually look at the positives. I work at one and ours employs over 400 employees, who cares if theirs honkies working at them. Can you become anymore racist? Is it possible that you might take a moment and see the positives, people are employed and working for a living. And I believe it doesn’t matter what the color of your skin is people in high positions and politics have abused or embezzeled you see it all the time on the news or papers, it’s just the person PEOPLE. Yes there are some people educated enough to write a few laws that are on the rez. We just love depending on the government for our roads and schools it’s the greatest feeling ever “to depend on the government” who in their right mind could even post such a ridiculous comment? Who would want to depend on the government for anything, it’s just as ludicris as someone thinking casinos will solve everyone’s problems. I believe after the hurricanes a whole state is DEPENDING on the government I sure hope their the next story, my God for the repercussions, their great, great grand kids are going to go through, they’ll probably be welfare cases forever and than you guys can talk about them next. You know and as far as you guys telling us to get over what the government did to us in the so called war with small pox, slaughtering of the buffalo, our families and the moving of the happy, eager residents. It’s easier said than done. All nationalities have been through some form of genocide just different severities. We are moving on, we are over coming and it is in the past but do you just not mention it or forget it? It is who we are and what was done. What do you think of when you hear “jew”? I pay taxes and live life to it’s fullest what was done, was done but don’t excuse it like it wasn’t anything, holy crap were reminded every day cause we live here. We didn’t migrate here. Don’t you guys tell stories of how you moved or arrived? How would you like it if someone told you to get over your sickening came over on the boat stories. That’s why this stuff is in the history books so it doesn’t repeat itself. Holy cow people! I almost feel sorry for you guys!

  • robert108

    Faith reveals herself as just another raging victim leftie. Takes no responsibility. It’s always someone else’s fault, isn’t it, Faith? Rob was trying to be helpful, and you rage at him because he is giving you bad news. Tough.

  • docdave

    AV. typical anti-capitalistic screed from you. Also typical liberal equivalence effort comparing corporation ‘welfare’ with other welfare. Seems like there was also some anti-war stuff there too in your disjointed comments. What all this has to do with Rob I have no idea. Try being cohesive next time and stick to the post topic because if you want to slam corporations you can write a guest blog on the subject. LOL.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    No, the prostitutes and exotic dancers are available in Minot, Grand Forks, Bismarck, and Fargo.

    I’m sad to say that Grand Forks is tragically without exotic dancers.

  • Faith

    Our Government wasting money??????????????? still thinking about that one……

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Andy’s right there. Only North Dakotan’s know anything.

  • Faith

    You’re worried about the government wasting money? and you want to change US?????? Wow can you possibly get any nicer, so when and how do you plan on doing this??? WOW we are lucky, my do you have a really tall horse well come on over here, now. So I am way off help me understand I’m not that bright. We have about 15,000 living here half are under 18, lets say 15% retired and 40% percent working, so 60% would be a couple 1,000. Holy cow that is HORRIBLE I wonder how many in Minot or some other city live in filth, on welfare and hang on to their life preservers. After you fix us you should go see them next I bet there’s more.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Hey! Here’s a question for Lik, Rob, Whistler, Neiman, Robert, Batman and anyone else who has apparently chosen sides. Why is it that each of you have never addressed anything pertinent that we ask or acknowledge any of our issues? Are you that afraid?

    My answer in the comment immediately your question is:

    I don’t[can't] think of one pertinent thing you’ve said.

    Any other questions. Answer my question and I’ll answer another one.

    In what provable ways did Rob say anything that wasn’t true in his original post?

    Why would any rational person be upset over someone writing something that was true and wishing better for people?

    Of course I’ve answered many of your questions but you’ve been too obtuse.

  • Faith

    Yesssssssssssss it’s everyone’s else’s fault God forbid anyyone is responsible for their own actions and their fate. and that Rob he is so helpful someone should give him an award for all his hardwork, writing all this stuff in this blog. It is going to be so useful, hey maybe it will end the welfare mentality. Thank God he told me the bad news I never knew any of that exsisted. Ok guys help me become more responsible. I wasn’t even aware I wasn’t responsible or responsible. Man do I have a lot of work to do. So guys you abviously know what should take place tell me so I can be a hero like you guys. Wow am I lucky!!!!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    There are very few dumbies in this crowd. OK maybe one? And that would have to be Ronald W… or me.

    Zsa Zsa, I’m not just flattering you because it’s your birthday, but to compare your intelligence with Cut and Paste Ron, would be to put you higher than an SST at 30,000 feet and Ron lower than a snake’s belly button…in a ditch…on the ocean floor!

  • Faith

    Ya we get it, we live here. Well get off your but and do something about it, if not shut up (that’s what my dad always tells me;). It’s people like you that Talk but no Walk. And buddy not mad, just pointing out what you should have. Ya umemployment is high holy crap you keep saying it. It’s terrible, terrible, terrible. We have Boston who came in with his business and bringing in another one. We have Ritchie bringing up his. And holy cow “Life Preserver” not that bad, if you dropped off anyone of our residents in in the middle of no where, I bet both my houses they would make it, we are survivors and would make it anywhere. It’s just we love it here, our families are here, it’s our home. If they want to stay home it isn’t no ones business but there’s. The government has programs in place for that, why are you feeding so much energy into it. If assistance ended what do you think we would just die? I guarantee that we would all make it. Come here start some programs, write grants, start up a business, run for council and put your money were your mouth is. It’s so important that you had to put it on the innernet? Easy gunpowder! We will get it maybe moving a little slow, you don’t see anyone starving, if were going without, as my grandma would say “It wouldn’t be the first and won’t be the last” Why are you so blackened man????

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    We communicate with each other as one.

    They are Borg!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I wish we could fix those things Jeb.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    It’s happening because of the total failure of the idea embraced by some that the government exists to take care of us. –Rob

    You don’t like government welfare when it goes to Native Americans, but corporations get limited liability, that’s almost like welfare for shareholders. If the company goes belly up, the shareholders only lose their stock, they don’t pay a penny to creditors. Ol’ nanny states limited liability jumps in and saves their asses. Where is your rant against that Rob? Do you hate Native Americans Rob?

    If our actions are illegal, we citizens risk incarceration, but corporations only get fined, and again, the shareholders share no blame. Ol’ nanny state is saving their asses again. Do you hate responsibility for ones actions Rob?

    And what about all the welfare money given as tax breaks, I heard AMD was going to get about $1,000,000,000 for a shiny new fab. I don’t recall your rants against that.

    Last year, more was spent on the military than all other countries combined. Tax-payers hard-earned money straight into private hands. Again, Rob was silent?

    But if government gives money to the genuinely poor, all of a sudden, Rob’s there to point out the evils of the nanny state. There is an `H’ word that comes to mind, but I can never spell it, oh well…

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

    Me, too! But, consider a world that places more importance on personal excellence than racial purity…

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Andy, You don’t like what was being said by Rob. AND you start critisizing and say Rob is basically blind and is lying about what he wrote…

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    So does that ban of Rob entering the reservation apply to Andy never leaving the reservation?

    Fair’s fair.

    Of course that doesn’t apply to the rest of you reasonable people.

  • Leroy

    So everyone wants say in the matter…
    Have such, oh heavy burdened taxpayers, opinionate, scream out, and let your voice be heard.
    NO ONE IS LISTENING.
    Moral obligation to respond- of course. But who is listening? Does anyone here actually believe that their moral response will actually make a difference for anything? (Be realistic)
    No, we have no business telling anyone how to spend their tax dollars, but from that I gather that you really think you have some overall say in how your taxes are spent. Taxes are an unavoidable part of life, fellas. Whether 1% or 70% or any ‘insane amount’ goes to welfare, or to defense, or to a retired politician’s pension, or to healthcare for illegal immigrants- we will be taxed. The disbursed amount & it’s destination are insignificant. little can be done about it, and nothing can be said to change it.
    Being Indian, being white, being any of the countless nationalities that make up America is a VERY big f-ing deal. If we all chose to live our lives in this negative attitude, there would be absolutely no strength in the multi-cultural identity that is America.
    You, me, anyone.
    We can complain about the use of our taxes till we’re blue in the face- again, what does it accomplish?
    The slums and ghettos of middle America greatly outnumber the Reservations, and only a fool would say that ‘welfare’ has better recourse in these places. Seems to be only a precious few from there taking grasp of the opportunities claimed gifted.
    WE provide them with nothing personally; WE have no absolute final say in the disbursement of our tax dollars.
    They go where those with the opinions who point out the ugly truths say they go. The difference is, they are elected in some form to do so. Here, they just blow smoke.
    I don’t live on the Rez; I am taxed, and I don’t really enjoy it, either. But I have so much more to deal with in life than stressing about where my tax dollars really go, when I realize that there is nothing I can really do to change it.
    This is why I say I don’t care.
    But taxes, who-cares-who-is-Indian, feed-a-man…,
    one-line wonders,
    these provide me with nothing I request- cute little arguements, but insignificant to the point at hand.
    What purpose does an article of this nature serve?
    WHAT IS THE POINT?
    Was it meant to start a discussion about taxes?
    Perhaps to congregate minds of all stages of evolution into one place, to see what happens?
    To get attention? WHAT?
    I’ve seen dirty houses around Bismarck- hell, I’ve smelled non-Indian people from those very houses. I’ve seen them arrested for possession, for being fried with their kids in the very same room. I’ve watched their kids play in the street, and run around in winter with no coat. I’ve seen the police file complaints w/social service against the parents for having a messy home, and subjecting their kids to THAT filth. It’s that way EVERYWHERE. The difference is, it is never protested and twisted this much about NON-INDIAN communities that share their own ‘appalling state’. This slanderous article only screeches about it ON RESERVATIONS.
    And all compiled from visiting only a few homes.

    Again, I seek an educated point, not an educated guess.

    Peace

  • Faith

    Well of course I can agree to that but you go anywhere, in any country, you are going to see that. Holy crap when you post something put the whole story not just the bad. I’m sure these people commenting on this must think were all drug addicted, lazy, poor, living in crappy houses, on welfare, alcohlics, with fetal syndrome kids with frozen feet. As it is we’re stereotyped enough without one of our own adding to it. And why do you have to blame welfare? We need help so be it everyone comes to that at a time in life just some take advantage of it or don’t have the capabilities to move on. You know for yourself we are not the only ones that get welfare or housing? Why didn’t you post something about the trailer parks or the slums or try the richer side of town I hear their drugs cost a little more but they even have problems. And don’t single people because of their nationality holy cripe you’ll give the skin heads and lord knows who else other great reasons to hate. You know all the races, yellow, black, white, red they all have a percentage of people that live like what you described. Why can’t you write about people as a whole, leave the color of peoples skin out of it. Now you really helped the outside world look more down upon us. Hey here’s a change Scout be apart of the solution and man your ears must be ringing because there is a lot of people who would like to borrow your ears did you see the TM Times????

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    If you were from ND, you wouldn’t enrolled. You need to be at least 1/4.

    The discussion of “real” versus “faux” Indians is interesting…
    Just so we’re clear, enrollment into a tribe requires discrimination on the basis of race?
    No color-blind society here! Talk about swimming against the liberal tide!

    “I have a different dream!” (White men need not apply!)

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    OK Guys, what has Rob said besides say that things aren’t very good on the reservation and it’s the governments fault?

  • Faith

    Rage??? I don’t rage holy cow just setting the story straight and if you can read I wasn’t blaming anyone ya genius. And I sure am not shooting. You come up with all these problems and announce them to the world and that’s it… nothing else and I’m the problem. “SUGGEST a Solution” well you think your the only one on earth that knows there’s a problem. There’s many people like you that suggest all sorts of solutions. Their called lazy because thats all they do is talk and no walk, Scout! and you think these are insults. Well I apologize Lord knows there’s to much of that going around. Just stating the facts…

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    All of this denial that there is a problem isn’t getting us anywhere.

    I’d think that talking about a solution would be a lot better thing.

  • robert108

    Just remember, the so-called “Native Americans” were, at one time, invaders. They came here from somewhere else.

  • pal

    Rob,
    I was born and raised on the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation. I am proud to be a Native American. I am a 39 years old, I am a single mother and I have a 8 year old daughter who will be nine this year. I did not have a child until I was 30 years old. So I guess being a greatgrandmother probably won’t happen for a while. Oh, by the way I was also bought up as a housing kid. But my family moved when I got older. We moved into the country. When we first moved to my fathers land, there were no houses around except for maybe one or two. Now where my fathers house sits there are many homes. (Probably from the reservation being too over populated)
    I am writing this because I would like to know were I can go to get all this help. First of all I have a home that I own. I had to pay to get it setup and moved. I had to pay to get everything redone in it. I am told that I am not eligible for anything because I make too much money for a family of two. I was not eligible for WIC when my child was little. I am not eligible for commodities or foodstamps. I was never eligible for daycare assistance. I am not eligible for fuel assistance. Gosh, I guess getting all this free stuff is not all that you make it. I have never recieved any type of assistance except for our health care facility and that is only if you can spend a whole day off work because there is alot of other people who need to be seen also. I am not taking this personal as you have told the others but if you do not hear from other individuals then you might start believing in what you wrote. I would really like to know where you went to get all you information. I come from a family of five and I have many aunts and uncles I have yet to see the things that you have seen in such a short time that you have been here when I have been here all my life and have never been made a witness to such incidents. As for knocking on peoples doors and finding them all home during day might be due to the fact that not everyone can work an 8am to 4pm job, they may be working swingshift or a graveyard shift. I have to be going because my child is running around outside barefooted with her government issued parka.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Rob…Reservations have their own government. Tribal laws are different from ours.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    And green apples are almost like rocks. –The Whistler

    I was referring to the tax-burden on many which benefits just few, which is sort of like welfare.

    The government doesn’t give anything to anyone. They take money from one group and give it to another bunch. –The Whistler

    You’re trying to be clever. Once the government has taken something from someone, it can then give it to someone else. And obviously you are not opposed to that, in all cases, or else you’d be an anarchist. In this case, some Native Americans receive a little, and some seem to be unhappy about that.

    Well, defense of the nation is a legitimate expenditure of taxpayer dollars. We live in freedom because our military is so fearsome that other nations can’t bully us. –Rob

    By defense you mean offense? I guess you’re speaking Orwellian. And by freedom, you really mean wage-slavery? :)

    Maybe the unemployed Native Americans just don’t want to do shit work. I know I don’t, and won’t.

  • carrick

    RaeMarie70:

    IDon’t you guys have anything better to do then to continue to defend Rob. Oh my goodness, you have your heads so far up his hind-end that you can’t see if you coming or going! It is amazing how often Rob is defended. It makes me wonder if Rob isn’t everyone on this page.

    How is asking probing questions even defending Rob?

    Come up with reasonable, non-kneejerk comments and you’ll not feel like you’re being attacked.

    I don’t know how any genuine American Indian who lives on almost any reservation would claim other than they have problems with their local government, and with a large impoverished minority that is entrenched in entitlement programs. Really.

    Because for anybody who has been on these (unfortunately some of the Sioux reservations are the worst I’ve ever seen) would not be able to honestly claim otherwise.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    these guys have no real good interest in the least toward tribes! Just believe me when I tell you this!

    TMBI Member: Xene is cranky because he has hemorrhoids. Just believe me when I tell you this!

    Most of the folks I’ve met here at SA are reasonable people who wish for all people to prosper. We disagree with most of the libs as to the best way for this to happen. And we often mock the ignorant trolls who come by just looking to stir up trouble.
    I’m sure Rob had no idea what kind of hornet’s nest he was stirring up by posting his observations. But believe me when I tell you this, if he didn’t at least give a damn about the folks there, he wouldn’t have said anything! You don’t get rid of problems by ignoring them. You get rid of problems by first recognizing them.
    The ones who keep inject race and hurling insults are perhaps the ones trying to deflect attention away from their own culpability…
    Thank you for keeping an open mind in this discussion. This should be a time for reason, not vitriol.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Who’s insulting who?

    You were insulting Rob Diane. Now that may be amusing to you but it just deflects from the topic that should be discussed.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    If JN or Spirit had courage, they would say the things they said and use their names.

    If you had courage you’d correct the record rather than playing the victim.

  • jackson

    likwidshoe

    Faith, Selina, pal and noneofyourbusiness are all using the same IP.

    What a coincidence, egh? They’re all on the same network and have all found this one old thread in one day. And they all have the same opinion.

    The reason TM people are just now responding and joining this blog is because they just recently found out about the article because there was something in the local paper this week about it. Most people here aren’t into the magazine that it was published in—obviously. We can be sure to have several more respondents. It will be very interesting to see how it goes….

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    To be honest I asked mine first.

  • Dawn DeCoteau

    Hi there Mr. Alaska,
    I see that all that you point out is the negative. You do nothing to help people on the reservation. All that you talk about is the garbage, broken vehicles, run down houses. You need to touch base with some of the positive. Belcourt is building new schools, what about that they are trying to provide a broadened horizon for their students. Besides some people living on reservations do work and probably have nicer materialistic things than you. That of course seems to be what you are all about. If you are such a devoted husband and a devoted father than how can you teach your child how to put people down and to judge someone when you don’t even know the real truth about anything. Yeah, you may have seen some terrible things, but you can’t believe that everyone lives like that. Come on open your eyes. Besides where did you go to visit. Must of just been one housing complex. Or were you just at the casino. Maybe you lost and are pissed off at THE INDIANS BECAUSE OF IT. I am not one to judge anyone, I like to know the whole story first. You don’t see us writing articles about you but maybe we should. I can’t even believe people like you. You guys all think that you have experienced life. Get real. Geez you probably were suprised that we didn’t live in teepees or ride horses right. Well, I bet you probably lived in an igloo in Alaska.
    I really think you owe the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewas an apology. A real man would know when they are wrong and admit it. You sure would’ve done good when Hitler was alive you sound just like him. Not just INDIANS as you call us are on welfare, damn give some people credit.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Rob is promoting his God-like image in North Dakota!

    Bull Shit doesn’t have to smell to know it’s BULLSHIT!

    I see a lot of similarity in these two statements.

  • Ace25

    Why would anybody apologize for telling the truth?

    Likwidshoe, the truth is to painful to bear sometimes.

    unfortunately there are Too many natives that are satisfied with their low standard of living. (or they are unaware of anything better, or afraid to try.)

    For all of you that are up in arms about Rob’s article: Americans & minorities are criticized daily, every one of us is a minority, get used to it!

    I don’t know Rob’s intention for witting the article, but I would think of it as constructive criticism, and informing the people of ND, that we have a real problem that needs to be addressed. The current methods of dealing with this problem do not appear to be working…

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    By the way Rob, I’m not hanging out with you for a while.

  • philus

    Soon all of us real Southerners -that dont fall under the new south’s way of life that is being forced on us- we will end up being pushed into certain areas communitys backwoods to live……..it’s happening now….now and then I hear from some that have fleed the towns where they lived because of the influx of outside people who have very different ways of living than we do (unbearable taxes, code checking etc..)

    Why do you think the out of staters are running from where they live? – it’s un -livable now.
    So, we better learn how to talk so they can understand us and make as much money as we can so we can keep up with the expense and regulations that they’re bringing for us

  • Xene

    That information is already known by tribes…. We have our own task force working on it..Your posting it does not help a situation. Again you have no political standing with in tribal jurisdiction. If you really cared you would be doing morning raids with the rest of the tribal members I know.

    Terminal,

    We have our own task force, your intentions by posting is to prove what Point?

    As I said it’s a dog pile, come give me all you have…

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Get a life.

    …said the troll who hangs on my every word! feh.

  • Average Jane

    I don’t understand how you can see this as being truthful or shedding light. And to say that you care is just ridiculous. If you cared so much, what may I ask are you doing to make improvements for life on the reservations here in North Dakota? I don’t think blogging, writing in journals, etc and insulting people that you obviously know nothing about will improve anything. Yes there is no denying that we have a lot of poverty on the Turtle Mountain Reservation. Many people are trying to change that but run into obstacles and prejudice that make it very difficult to do anything positive. Yet there are very many strong people in the Turtle Mountain community working hard to make those changes, boost economy, etc for the welfare of the TM people.

    It’s people like you, thoughts like yours that makes it so difficult. With poverty there is little room for high self esteem, and when you write things like this, it only takes away what little self esteem they might have. And you spread ignorance also. Something like this just makes others not want to get to know who we are, they’re quick to pass judgement just as you did in these articles that were brought to my attention.

    I could not believe my eyes, my jaw dropped to the floor. I can’t believe someone thinks they can judge our natives and our community just by spending 15 hours there? That is total BS. I am not ashamed of where I come from, but others who come across readings and statements like yours tell me I should be. That is not good for me, and not for my children. And so what if our people don’t have finely manicured lawns, 3000 square foot houses. That doesn’t mean the people who live in our homes have bad hearts and are bad people. And if we’re out to ridicule appearances, I don’t live on my reservation right now, but I’ve moved to many places… and have seen the filth that America produces. There are tons of trailer parks filled with non natives, junk yards collecting around their homes while children treat it like a playground, and no parents in sight. To blame Native Americans for this is just ridiculous! That is not a Native thing… that’s an American thing.

    Perhaps you should take a little bit more time before blowing off that big mouth of yours, I don’t think that little mind of yours really can handle the truth to be honest… but maybe you should come move to our reservation for a few years… do some good ol’ fashioned volunteering and make some improvements that you state need to be made. And get to know the people before wailing off like you did in this article. My head hurts from the stupidity you put into it.

    And I’ve shown this article to many natives and non natives that have been to the Turtle Mountain Reservation and could not believe how far off from the truth you are.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    notice how the haters can’t bring themselves to explain coherently what was wrong with the post, but they’re full of insults and threats.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    And speaking of “faux” Indians, what’s up with Ward Churchill? Wasn’t this troll given more credence than he deserved based primarily on his supposed tribal affiliation?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Why don’t you explain rationally (that means without name calling and without assuming you know what they are thinking) and reasonably how our problem can be improved, in your opinion. That would be much more helpful than what you’ve posted so far.

    Well said!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Oh, wait! I get it! The satire is you repeatedly classifying people by their color and then you say

    I could care less what color anyone is!

    Frankly, that’s more irony than satire!

  • carrick

    Rob, as you may recall, part of the reason I was questioning this is because people were making an excuse that living on the reservation lands was causing the unemployment. There’s no way I can see that this could be the case, if it’s unemployment rate is so far above surrounding areas.

    I suppose, if some of our tax dollars weren’t going towards the reservation, it wouldn’t technically be my business. But since we are to some extent to blame for this situation because of the misuse of our taxes, it seems to me we have a moral duty to speak out against it.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Andy: You may want to work on your debating skills a little. The use of profanity to mask the absense of logical thought is not likely to persuade anyone to your position.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Rob is a racist. Read the damn Dakota Beacon article with a clear head. Then look at the blog, check into what’s been said even before us Indians got involved.

    Telling the truth and wishing better for people living in appalling conditions is not racists.

    On the other hand the behavior we’ve seen from Andy is very racist.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    TMBCI and Braveheart came with respect and were treated with respect. It was not necessary for them to agree with any thing or every thing said here, they merely had to show common decency.
    Andy L. came with a foul mouth, calling anyone who disagreed with him a racist. Soon, he was greeted in kind.
    The ironic thing is, after reading Rob’s initial post, I had sympathy for the portrait of the people described in his article. Reading Andy L’s vile rants, I saw an arrogant, foul-mouthed prick who paints a far less sympathetic portrait of Indians than anything Rob Port ever wrote!
    Which is worse, a man who voices his opinion and observations, whether mistaken or no? Or one who poisons the opinions of others with his vile character, characterizations and baseless accusations?
    Newsflash, Andy L.: Most of the scorn heaped upon you here had nothing to do with your race ! It was you!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    When are you going to quit deflecting and talk about how we solve that?

    Jabber is apparently too fixated on what color everyone is, rather than content of their character…

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Surely not a conscience, because then you’d stop all this crap of vainly trying to associate people with whom you disagree and evil people!
    Nice try, evil troll!

  • Andy L

    You’re so angry hotel! What does leftard mean? leftist and retarded? Wow, you sure know how to hurt people. White guilt? Maybe that’s your problem. Get a life. Crap? You said it, I didn’t.

    Your rhetoric doesn’t excuse your action. TOOT! You’re filthy.

  • http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

    sorry

    … is their parent’s parenting skills – or lack of them. I will admit that it would be easier to raise kids well with both parents present – or at least two adult carers, but it is not as important as you might think.

  • Diane

    Who’s insulting who?

  • RaeMarie70

    Still waiting for what Rob said that was actually wrong. Apparently you can’t put it into words.

    My bet is that you don’t think that an outsider should talk about the problems on the reservation.

    If that’s your point, you’re wrong

    Of course, I am wrong. But regardless, I am still going to have to disagree. What was wrong with what Rob did was he painted a one sided picture of life on the reservation. I don’t give a crap if he is an outsider or not. Spirit did the same thing in his/her post. Yes, life on the reservation is not the greatest for a lot of people. Yes, people do horrible things to each other. Yes, the traditions, culture, and language isn’t what it should be. However, there are good things. Let’s try to remember them.

    Spirit–A person with your strong opinions should at least have the guts to use their real name. What are you hiding or why?

  • docdave

    zac, flunked spelling didn’t you. The correct spelling is Bureau of Indian Affairs who traditioally is not your friend as they have bargained away your natural resources and kept you imprisoned on reservation for over a hundred years.

  • RaeMarie70

    Another moron stumbles through. Rob has a life, it is pissing off idiots like you is just gravy over top of all the bloggy goodness.

    Don’t you guys have anything better to do then to continue to defend Rob. Oh my goodness, you have your heads so far up his hind-end that you can’t see if you coming or going! It is amazing how often Rob is defended. It makes me wonder if Rob isn’t everyone on this page.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    An elder Cherokee was teaching his grandchildren about life. He said to them, “A fight is going on inside me. It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.

    One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

    The other stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.

    This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every other person, too.”

    The children thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”

    The old Cherokee simply replied,“The one you feed.”

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    When George Washington Stidham was Chief, he said as long as there is one drop of Indian in you, you are an Indian! We should be proud of who we are and how we have survived as a people! The trail of tears and the terrible treatment our ancestors suffered have most certainly lowered many peoples self esteem and standards. American Indians are the coolest if you ask me??? BUT no one ever asks me! We know there are problems on the reservation. We just don’t want a white man to tell us about them. Native Americans don’t trust the white man…

  • Andy L

    Whistler! That little dog with the glasses is so cute! so condescending! so stupid!

    Where you from anyway? North Dakota? Or like beav, you from some far off state like Wisconsin?

    Get along little doggie! Get along!

  • Andy L

    Proof. Walt Williams the economist? Poverty pimps you say? In what context? Directly relative to Native Americans? If not, why did you even bring it up? Walt does not understand our situation. He never will. He can comment, like anyone else, but that doesn’t make him right.

    I thought you were a conservative? Walt is a libertarian. I don’t think he even likes you! LOL

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    More hate by Andy.

  • docdave

    You might have won the battel at first but this is gorrila war fare and you wont last for long.

    Perhaps you should learn to spell correctly before you go to war over virtually nothing. If anything, your stupid threats mark you for the irresponsible lout that you are.

  • Xene

    Joel,
    It suits you…do dream about me.

  • RaeMarie70

    Tell me about that world.

  • RaeMarie70

    That information doesn’t have anything to do with Rob’s observation of what he saw on the rez. I still maintain and stand by Rob. He doesn’t lie. He tells it like it is…

    You continue to do that ZsaZsa! Nobody is saying he didn’t tell it like it was. You guys just don’t get it. I have asked over and over again how anybody on this blog is trying to rectify the wrongs on reservations. So far all I get is that the article was to get it out there so everyone will know. Talking doesn’t mean anything, if you don’t back it up with actions. You think we are here to moan and groan. From where I sit, that is exactly the reason the rest of you are here. If that isn’t the case, what are you doing to make a difference?

  • proud native

    First of all I would like to congratulate some of the posts for their ignorance. I am from the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation, and am proud of it. The publisher of the article is taking a handful of families and judging the rest of the tribal members by those standards. I don’t look at other populations and say “hmm, he’s white, he’s a racist.” I know personally what it means to be on government assistance as I was on food stamps when I was younger. However the writer of the article fails to mention the tribal members going to college, not living on government assistance, and providing their children with stable homes. There are examples of every race out there living in degrading and substantially sad environments. Perhaps instead of focusing on how “sad” of a state, native american reservations are in, they should start looking at the homeless transients living on the street, who not only add to our economic pitfalls due to the constant jailing, and support the government provides throughs soup kitchens and shelters. If we are going to start “airing” everybody’s dirty laundry, why not take a look at the white race as well, because last time I checked they are no better than the rest. We all bleed the same color blood when cut my friends, and god isn’t going to cast us out of heaven because we accept economic support, but rather welcome into his kindom the people who helped other people, not put them down.
    God bless.

  • Andy L

    Well? Whistler? Where you from? What’s your IP?

    Scared to say?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    RaeMarie70 shows that she hasn’t read, I have a hard time believing that people find the article wrong. I haven’t seen anybody disagree with your observations.

    Are you kidding? Hit control F and do a word search on the word “wrong”.

    You and your supporters believe that the government is here to provide for your wants and needs…

    Actually, its the complete opposite. How many times do we have to talk about individualism and how many times do we have to rail against government welfare before you understand that?

    …( which seems to revolve on you guys deciding on how much or little help people should get).

    So not only do you attribute a completely erroneous belief onto us, but you assign evil intent to us.

    I especially get tired of conservatives who believe they have the answer for everyone.

    What are you talking about? We don’t know what’s best for you. It’s in the argument against the one-sized fits all government solution. Remember, it’s called individualism.

  • Andy L

    Rob, you opened up a can of worms. Pandora’s box. We will never allow you to forget what you published. You are opinionated, misinformed, vile and only chose to publish that trash to create a bigger issue and piss off the Indians in this state. Well, you’ve accomplished that. But why should you care, white boy?

  • RaeMarie70

    likwidshoe, what is the point of continuing to write out Andy’s first and last name? Someone who is so afraid of having their real name out there is sure good at putting other people’s names out there.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    My column wasn’t exaggerated in the least. I confess that I am…verbose at times, what I saw is what I saw. There is not one factually inaccurate, or exaggerated, thing in that column. — Rob

    …walls literally dripping with nicotine from the constant smoking — Rob

    Funny. Not one?

    This is the typical leftie dishonesty with numbers. AV’s implication is that the US has become less wealthy since WWII, which is obviously false. — Robert108

    Bollocks. I was alluding to difference in long-term growth rates of the US economy vs. `Old Europe’. The social democrat policies of Europe have averaged far higher rates of growth. This was simply to debunk Rob’s ridiculous argument that giving poor people entitlements (which is a characteristic of social democratic policies) makes them poorer.

    Simply pointing out this doesn’t necessarily mean I am in favor of social democratic policies either. It was simply to show that the political right has an ability to ignore evidence that really has no equal. (Simply look at the effect of `Washington Consensus’ or `Neo-Liberal’ economic policies on the countries where it has been tried, like many in Central and South America, Asia, Africa, and now Eastern Europe.)

    My personal views are that we should continually question whether a given institution, or source of authority, is legitimate, whether it increases liberty and justice, or hinders it. While I agree with Rob that we should question govt. welfare programs, I suspect his motive is out of greed. Why Rob will always be a nanny-statist is that he will never question the legitimacy of sources of authority that he personally benefits from (like the current private property laws, incorporation, etc.).

  • http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

    They expect that the government should build them a house and give them a check on the first of the month because the white man “stole” their ancestors land and made them move to the reservation. Well from my understanding when the first white people came to this land the Natives Americans told them the land didn’t belong to anyone so he claimed it for himself. If they have a problem with that they should take it up with their ancestors and not expect to have everything handed to them

    These children have very little discipline, as do most children born out of wedlock and whose fathers are not around.

    Thanks for the new injection of ignorance into this thread. To claim that the whites were justified in taking the NA lands, because of the statement that “no man owns the land” is, as I’m sure you are aware, incredibly ignorant of the facts and the history of the European conquest of North America. I will concede that the welfare system is not a good way to support the Native American population, or anyone come to that, but the situation they find themselves in is, in part, down to multi-generational conditioning imposed by the ruling whites.

    The whites took Indian lands, repeatedly, and each time promised that they would not take any more. The NAs were forced onto piss-poor land that no-one else wanted, given sub-standard healthcare and foods and generally were deliberately neglected by their conquerers (the whites).

    As for your comments about children born out of wedlock and/or with absent fathers, you are simply wrong. Bastard children are incredibly common these days, to the extent that even the word “bastard” has no real meaning any more. Having married parents is no determinant for a trouble-free upbringing, nor is not having a father figure. In fact, the sole determinant for ill-disciplined children is their pare

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    (See what I just did there? I explained my reasoning. Why can’t you do the same?)

    Because Andy has no reasoning?

  • Andy L

    Hey! Here’s a question for Lik, Rob, Whistler, Neiman, Robert, Batman and anyone else who has apparently chosen sides. Why is it that each of you have never addressed anything pertinent that we ask or acknowledge any of our issues? Are you that afraid?

    We (meaning the Indians, of course) have all acknowledged that there are problems in our communities. That’s not what we want answers to. Rob keeps alluding to an agenda that includes Indian people leaving their homes, finding jobs elsewhere and becoming full-fledged contributing citizens of the greater society. For Indian people, not only is that easier said than done, it’s also an option that we may not want to consider.

    We are treaty Indians. The United States is a nation of laws. We have treaty rights. We have justifiable claim to the reservations we live on. These are our homes.

    We know and understand the resentment for Indian people in this country. Over the years, we have been declared incompetent, welfare-grabbing (sucking on the government’s tit, pew!), whoring, drunken, drugging, and barely human (most recently in various comments at this sacred blog site). We live with bias and misunderstanding on a continual basis. But, you know what? We are survivors, and we survive under our terms, as Indian people.

    We may be dissatisfied with the way tribal matters are handled and have never hidden that fact from anyone. But, you must all understand now, that these are our problems, not yours. We have INTERNAL mechanisms to create change (they are called tribal constitutions). We have had referendums before and the process is slow, but positive change does come. The same process is used on reservations across the country.

    I will tell you now, the reactive comments each of you have made and the ill-will each of you have shown toward Indian people serves no purpose whatsoever. We are entirely capable of solving our problems, but, considering the circumstances, the process is time consuming and takes a great deal of effort.

    Let me remind each of you that we have our own laws and even if you disagree with those laws, they are our laws, not yours.

    If you all want to stop paying taxes in protest to the way funds are distributed to Indian programs on our reservations, have at it. Each of you seems so proud spewing your so-called conservative republican agenda. I couldn’t care less. If you want to fight your opponents the democrats, go right ahead. I’m not going to stand in your way. I’ll tell you right now, fighting Indian people is way out of your league.

    If you consider this love note a threat, so be it. Any retaliatory responses? Have at it.

  • Andy L

    I mean, I can just imagine what people like Andy

    Rob, I wonder how many people “like Andy” are out there?

  • Troy_Pineri

    Whats the record for comments on one post? and when do you move on?

  • Xene

    ” INDIAN PEOPLE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON EARTH”
    Boozhoo;
    Aanin ezhi ayaayan noongom? Ni mino ayaa. Belcout, Anishinaabeg, ninonjibaa. Eya’ Gabebimaadiziyaan. Gi ga-ga-noon-i-di-min. Wiidookaa miinawaa zhawenim giijii Anishinaabeg. Gego gagwe nibaadiziken! gego zazaagizeken! Gego awiya baapinenimaaken gegwadaggitood enigaazidad gaya! Gidaa miiggwechiwendam gii oondaadiziyanji Anishabewiyan! Mashkawiziimagad imaa Anishinaabe bimaadiziwin! Mino bimaadiziwiin! Zaagi idig zhawenindeg! Giida mikwenimaag ogo ge ondaadisjig goozhisheyag naagaj!
    Hello;
    How are you today? I am fine. Belcout, your people, my whole life. We converse with each other. Do something for your people and be kind to them.Don’t be greedy! Don’t be stingy! Don’t make fun of anyone who is suffering!Be thankful that you were born a human being, an Indian! There is power in the Indian way of Life! The good life! Love each other! Remember your grandchildren! Weweni bimaadiziwin!!!
    Xene on May 1, 2007 at 01:38 pm
    Xene on May 3, 2007 at 03:33 pm

  • Andrew

    ” INDIAN PEOPLE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON EARTH”

    I don’t know about that. Besides Pochahontas, there are very few I’d throw the bone to.

    (Before Andy L. gets his panties in a bunch, I am just joking in the above comment).

  • Xene

    I don’t know about that. Besides Pochahontas, there are very few I’d throw the bone to.

    Andrew on May 3, 2007 at 03:44 pm

    What’s up with you guys? Are you all (you know) that way?

  • Andy L

    Which is worse, a man who voices his opinion and observations, whether mistaken or no? Or one who poisons the opinions of others with his vile character, characterizations and baseless accusations?
    Newsflash, Andy L.: Most of the scorn heaped upon you here had nothing to do with your race ! It was you!
    Proof on May 4, 2007 at 05:08 pm

    As usual, you’re right again. I suppose calling Indian women “welfare whores” and Indian children “bastards” isn’t racist at all! Sorry I’ve defended those you and your ilk have defiled.

  • zac

    zac, you morons are failing miserably.

    No we are not failing you idiots who make such big assumptions are. I mean come on have you ever been to the Turtle Moutain rez or to the Turtle mountains for that matter? Have you ever been to ND? Maybe you should go there some time and see how happey the people there are and yeah maybe you will see some bad houses yes but come on man. I mean how about we go to the place you live hand pick about 10 houses and say that the people live in those houses because they don’t know any better. Rob seems to be doing that to the people living on that rez. Rob sais “The tough love needs to begin”. If he thinks it’s so bad up there why do they need tough love? Oh and do you people know why there was so many people home when Rob went to the rez hu? No its not because he hand picked a few houses no its not because the un-enployment rate is more like 30% for the Turtle Mountains’.BINGO it’s because Rob went to the houses during the day. Have you people ever noticed that most of the jobs on reservations are in cainos’ that are usualy needing alot of workers at night because isn’t that when most people gambel? Maybe thats why most people where home in the day.

  • Andy L

    Co-principal investigator Donna Grandbois, clinical instructor and a psychiatric nurse, holds two UND degrees and is working on her doctorate. She is an enrolled member of the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa. Izetta Lattergrass holds a B.A. in psychology from UND and is a member of the Three Affiliated Tribes. Sara Roy, a member of the White Earth Band of Chippewa, holds a B.S. in nursing from UND.

    Hey Joel. I know these women. I’m related to one of them. I’m just going to have to give them a call, tell them how lyou’ve appropriated their work and are attempting to use it in your own twisted way to justify your extreme hatred of Indian People.

    How does that sound?

  • braveheart

    xene, i am not attacking my own people. I am not saying anything that hasn’t been in the papers already. Metis, are not my people!!! Look, if your living on the reservation now, what do you see????

  • Xene

    THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU HAVE PUBLISHED IN A PUBLICLY DISTRIBUTED RAG DEFAMATORY INFORMATION ABOUT THE TURTLE MOUNTAIN BAND OF CHIPPEWA AND HAVE GONE SO FAR AS TO INCLUDE ALL RESERVATION IN NORTH DAKOTA AND CONTINUE TO DO SO IN OTHER VARIOUS SECTIONS.( THE DAKOTA BEACON ) and Say anything, blog.

    The DAKOTA BEACON is publishing defamatory toward Native Americans of North Dakota. The Dakota Beacon is inciting ethnic hate.

    Of course, the World is noticing the ethnic hate is not only directed toward Native Americans only the majority is. Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and other countries are included therefore; Native Americans defamed worldwide. Is not the United States being implicated in their neglect of their trust responsibility toward the indigenous of the richest country in the world? The world is again considering the “value” of the United States treaties and the breeches of The Constitution of the United States
    What is worst you are publishing names when perverts spend hours on this site because of the PORN you are distributing. ” INDIAN COUNTRY DOES NOT CONSENT TO BEING AN ISSUE WITH PUBLICATIONS THAT PROMOTE ETHNIC HATE AND SEXUAL PERVERSITY”!
    The Dakota Beacon and Rob Port need to held accountable!
    Xene on May 2, 2007 at 01:57 pm
    Xene on May 4, 2007 at 06:21 pm

  • Andy L

    Hey, braveheart. Look at the threads! There are three of them. When Internet Debate gets Ugly and Bloggers get Threatened, April 30. The Appalling State of Indian Reservations, Redux, April 24. Those are the other ones. Read what has been said. Read the thread carefully. Then get back to me.

    Don’t defend Rob for his racist agenda until you get the whole story. And, I’m glad you think I’m radical. Hey, there’s more of us out there than you think.

  • RaeMarie70

    Brave, don’t let’em drag you down.

    I am not trying to drag anybody down. I am disagreeing with a point that braveheart brought up. I would like to know how that is dragging somebody down.

    Many Tribes are moving forward and improving their education and businesses. Still problems out there, though.

    This is exactly what I am saying. We are improving and moving forward. To think that lowering the unemployment rate to that of the state is going to eliminate the problems (drugs/alcohol) is ridiculous. People who have jobs and very good jobs can still be addicted, can still abuse their family members or others, and can still not be productive members of society.

    2H9– B) Karl Marx
    If socialism is what you want to call it, then fine. But being Indian means that you help others while you are helping yourself. I was brought up to believe that it isn’t about me, me , me. It is about us. Personally, I would rather live my life knowing that I am helping others to succeed than to live knowing others’ failure could have been avoided had someone helped them.

    I posted links to Choctaw Rez successes and apparently andy,Rae, et al, were uninterested in learning of this. Perhaps this time some headway will be made.

    What is this supposed to mean? How do you know that I am uninterested in learning about the successes of other tribes?

    I already knew this about the Choctaw tribe and know of many other tribes who have successful businesses. I know of many tribes who have the capability of supporting their tribal members through the many businesses they own.

    What was the point of your comment? Please elaborate.

  • Andy L

    Labeling us as racists does tend to have a backlash effect. I don’t think that’s a good thing for anyone here.
    The Whistler on May 4, 2007 at 06:44 pm

    Whose done most of the labelling? Backlash? lol

  • Andy L

    Whose done most of the labelling?
    You actually.
    Whistler, stick to the topic.
    That is the topic actually.
    The Whistler on May 4, 2007 at 06:56 pm

    Whistler, you’re so damn pretentious. Why can’t you take a little time to communicate like a human being? Jeez, get a life, why don’t you.

  • Xene

    Just_me!

    Who said Rob Port is responsible? I must have missed that some where.

  • Xene

    No Rob posted about the poor living conditions on the reservation and wished better for the people living like that.

    That’s not a bad thing.

    Little Doggy,

    Rob had no wishes at all about the poor living conditions getting better. He uses that excuse because he thinks he is dealing with a less than intelligent culture.
    Rob writes….
    Probably because they don’t know any better. They were likely raised in housing projects by their parents, who in turn were probably raised in housing projects themselves. The “welfare mentality” has become so ingrained in these people that most of them don’t have any drive to reach for something better. It’s not that they’re incapable of education and holding down a steady job, it’s just that they don’t have to do those things to eek by in life. Like their parents before them, they leave selfish lives full of self-gratification and little achievement while the government subsidizes them.

    Rob is promoting his God-like image in North Dakota!
    His standard is “Taking Back North Dakota”
    He had no business interviewing tribal members to find cruel observations to Publish in The Dakota Beacon.

    His intentions were purely evil! And self promoting.
    Xene on May 7, 2007 at 08:08 am
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  • 2Hotel9

    Who keeps zapping out the porn x is posting?

  • FKFL

    I may have posted this on the wrong thread previously, either way it appears the issue with the IP’s have been fixed.

    I have been trying to read this blog, it is long, and mostly meaningless. People should pay as much attention on a blog as they would in person in what they say.
    Either this is an open site or it isn’t. I was able to login here, but I have an off reservation IP with my work computer here. I have been told by a couple of my friends they have not been able to log in with their Belcourt IP’s. Did the site owners do something to block those?
    If you can’t understand that the money that goes to the reservation is in payment for land/resource/pain your ancestors caused, we have no problem with that, give back the land, leave the resources alone and leave us alone. Don’t come to our reservation for anything. As to these people who invite you and you take that as a threat, I have been in ceremony with these people for many generations now. I have seen Andy personally serve meals to people who have not always been kind to him, he is known as a humble man taking only what his family needs and sharing with everyone. Strangers come to these yards hungry, cold, needing rest, and they give it. These are not all native, I have never seen anyone on our reservation say you must show your Indian card to get help here, they only ask what else do you need to make comfort. I have seen these people stand for the rights of children, elders, disabled, needy from all walks of life. Because we stand for the same rights for our own children this makes us “welfare queens”?
    Your own quote for your sight is what you should follow:

    “Grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,
    the courage to debate with honest opponents,
    and the wisdom to know the difference.”

    Rather than relying on wisdom, you are using arrogance to determine these people are not worthy of debate, because they don’t give up, but then our people have never given up.
    There are reams of research and documentation to explain the mentality of writing such an article, the arrogance of thinking the natives would not see it? Do you think us so ignorant we would believe you only wanted to educate the world to our suffering?
    There are issues on the reservation. With my job though (I work more than full time) I commute over 1500 miles to work one way and everywhere in between there, I see people in all walks of life. I even worked in New York City for one year. There is suffering and indifference everywhere. They all need help and prayers. And it will get worse, not because there is some inherent issue with native people, or people on a reservation, it is because the social mentality of the United States cares not for its children who are being raised in group homes and institutions with no respect for life or self.
    The thing you attack, our reservation, though, is the only place that is owed a debt. Read the contract, it is all in there and MORE, much more that is owed to us under that contract. Fault your own ancestors for signing it if you do not like the payment. And sincerely, any day you all don’t want to follow the contract, just leave.
    So no one has to look it up, and I haven’t said anything here I wouldn’t say in person, I am Florence Kay Fiddler, direct descendant on both parents side from the original Pembina Band on this land. I know most of the previous posters also, and they are also Pembina. We are still here, we still hold original claim. I pay taxes, lots of them. I don’t drink, smoke pot, take drugs, get welfare, but if I did, I would still have the right to say any of the above, because I am an anishinaabe woman, a mother, grandmother and daughter of this earth.
    I hope if you did block those IP’s you will reopen them. Florence

    FKFL on May 6, 2007 at 07:54 pm

    FKFL
    2 comments
    PS my land on the reservation is Tax land, I receive no services, actually not from your government or mine. I gets lots of help from the spirits though, and a tree I know. Florence

  • Just_Me

    According to Census 2000: 38.7 percent of non-white children lived in poverty; 44.2 percent of children living with single mothers lived in poverty; and 42.2 percent of children on American Indian reservations lived in poverty. -U.S. Census Bureau,Census 2000

    http://www.ndkidscount.org/publications/factbook/2006/summaryfindings/allsummaryfindings.pdf

    And Rob caused this by………..?

  • Xene

    Hot and ob Port,

    It is none of your business…You do not have my Tribes permission to post anything. Like Florence says “if you don’t like it than leave!”

    You have no political standing within tribes…You are not honorable enough to publish anything tribal!

  • Xene

    Braveheart,

    I know your intentions may be good. This is not the place to mention names or enter into internal issues. THESE PEOPLE DON”T GIVE A RATS ASSS! THEY CAN DO NOTHING BUT HARM US FURTHER! IS THAT PLAIN ENOUGH!!!!YOUR STARTING TO ATTACK YOUR OWN PEOPLE!!!
    Respectfully

  • 2Hotel9

    spark, I am to the point I am wondering how to RSS just this thread. Between x and andy this is more fun than trawling leftard blogs for non sequitors.

  • Xene

    How is wanting equality and unity for Indians anti-Indian? Is your definition of being anti-Indian someone who is simply against the status quo on the reservation? Because if so, that’s a ridiculous definition.

    For me, Bull Shit doesn’t have to smell to know it’s BULLSHIT! I was raised in cattle country!
    Xene on May 7, 2007 at 09:44 am
    Xene on May 7, 2007 at 09:55 am

  • andy l

    HE JUST NEEDS TO PUBLIC ALLY APOLOGIZE FOR HIS ACTIONS ON IT!!!
    What kind of person would apologize for telling the truth?
    likwidshoe on May 14, 2007 at 01:52 am

    I hate to disagree, but I personally think it is too late for Rob or Steve to apologize. The damage is already done. An apology at this late date would be insincere anyway. A retraction is all that is required.

  • robert108

    Xene: A word to the wise is sufficient…

  • Xene

    The articles you research are all article studies by our own tribal members. it is not new!

    If you learn while your kissing Rob Port ass and defending a cry baby state that whines about paying taxes.

    Leave the Country….I have a hard enough time even writing to you pussies!

    You will be wiser for it assholes…

    Like I said, Bullshit doesn’t have to smell for me to know that it’s BULLSHIT!

  • Troy_Pineri

    Hot Pussy

    Hot Pussy??….

  • andy l

    It would appear, Proof, that andy is changing tacks. Ain’t that precious!
    2Hotel9 on May 10, 2007 at 04:34 am

    Hey, hot. Don’t even include me in this rant! I don’t even know any lumpy white man! Complete unknown to me.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Andy…I know Rob is a Good guy! He wanted to help. AND no I have never been to North Dakota…yet. I understand how you feel. BUT I reeeeally think you need to give Rob the benefit of the doubt.

  • RaeMarie70

    You should be real proud.

    We are proud of our home. You can find all the mess you want. It won’t change anything.

    I agree with you, Andy. There is no home like the Turtle Mountains. As soon as I get to the reservation line by Rolla, there is an immediate joy from knowing that I am home.

  • andy l

    I was bored with these two assholes after the first day!!

    Joel, the feeling is mutual, believe me.

  • andy l

    I really don’t even see what my complaints about overbearing child support bureaucracy has to do with the reservations anyway.

    You wouldn’t, would you. Don’t you realize that the “overbearing” child support bureaucracy also reaches onto Indian reservations and has the same requirements? We also have non-custodial parents stuck with court mandated support payments. Yet, you arbitrarily decide those issues don’t deserve your attention? And then on the other hand you flipantly decide that the “welfare tit” should be pulled away from reservations. Much of that “welfare tit” you talk about is TANF, wouldn’t you agree?

    While were at it, how about pulling TANF away from all of the non-reservation peoples in North Dakota! Wouldn’t that be the same “tit”? What is it Rob? Why different for reservation folks? Why?

  • browneyedgirl

    It’s the HATE that people have that will keep us down. It cannot get better until we learn to let go of race and color. I too am Indian (CRST) and I have lived on and off the Rez and I say that someday for it to get better for my people we need to integrate into society and do away with Indain Reservations. Use that money to educate. My auntie says that land is ours, it was compensation for what they did to us. Thinking like that builds the hate and we will never rise above if it doesn’t change. I’m glad someone has the sense to want to bring this to someone’s attention. What have you done lately andy? Besides being angry?

  • andy l

    Rae, I went around the rez today, visiting, brought my grandson to the playground, went to the elementary school music festival, store. You know, the usual. Life is going on as usual. Our community is great, isn’t it? Especially now, when the leaves are budding and all the wild berries are blossoming. I’ve always said that the Turtle Mountain Reservation is the best place in the world to live. As an Indian person, an anishinabeg, I am inspired. No matter Rob Port, our world is great, and always will be.

  • andy l

    Anyone come up with a plausible explanation for nicotine dripping down walls yet?

    I’m waiting!

  • 2Hotel9

    I would have loved to respond to andytheobtuse socialistscumbag, but I am still having server problems and could not get into SA. The nicotine dripping off the walls of your lodge comes from the piles of cheap cigarettes you huff&puff on all day. As for diane, she could teach this moron a thing or two about spewing socialist crap. Though not much.

    Finding more interesting little nuggets at DoJ public pages, andy. Quite the mess y’all got going on there. You should be real proud.

  • Bat One

    Well, anyone figure it out yet?

    I’m waiting.

    Andie,

    You’ve managed to chase off everyone else who was here and was interested with your stupid, foul-mouthed belligerence… and now you’re startled that nobody wants to come out and play with you? You are truly a simpleton, sir.

  • andy l

    “The safety net needs to be taken out from under the Indians. The reservation system needs to end. The cradle-to-grave entitlements need to end. The time of tough love needs to begin. Because that’s the only way things are going to get better on these reservations.” So sayeth Rob Port, our savior.

    You know, Rob, every time I read your article, I get angry all over again. People on our reservation are completely inflamed about it also. We will never forget you, and what you espouse. Maybe that is your gift to us, to continuously watch for and aggressively prevent future outbreaks of bigotry and ignorance from the outside world. Your expression of tough love is genocide.

    Genocide, you got that?

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Lumpy…Maybe it is just you who “sucks in bed”?

  • andy l

    Huh?

  • andy l

    Finding more interesting little nuggets at DoJ public pages, andy. Quite the mess y’all got going on there. You should be real proud.
    2Hotel9 on May 9, 2007 at 03:46 am

    what info? Anything pertinent? I suppose it’s something the whole tribe should be ashamed of? and, if you place on thread, it will make you feel better? Well, Dr. Feelgood?

  • turtlemountainchippewa

    I think that Andy L did has done his job on getting down to the bottom with Rob Port in which will be announcing very soon that ROB’S 15 MINUTE OF FAME WILL BE GONE ONCE AGAIN. What he needs to do is apologize to the Turtles Mountain Band Of Chippewas and well as all others because he knows what he wrote to start this whole thing was a big bunch of BULLSHIT!!! But if that is what he wants I am sure I could find some bulls and load the shit up and mail it to him. This is getting so sicken that people are forgetting that this man put down very nice people that are willing to help other people out all the time, who the hell did he even talk to in Belcourt to get all this information? Does he even have a reliable source, if so whom are they? HE JUST NEEDS TO PUBLIC ALLY APOLOGIZE FOR HIS ACTIONS ON IT!!!

  • 2Hotel9

    Hey, your the moron spewing socialist crap. And it is a common tactic of “you people” to post all kinds of shit under different usenames. Don’t want to be tarred with that brush? Stop spewing socialist crap. You are known by the company you keep. Or, as leftarded socialist morons like you call it, guilt by association. Don’t want to be guilty by association? Stop spewing socialist crap. Is that really so hard to figure out?

  • 2Hotel9

    It would appear, Proof, that andy is changing tacks. Ain’t that precious!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    holashit – Anybody who believes that one race is better than another is an idiot.

    I agree. A few of the Indians have done that in this thread. It’s disgusting.

    I am also sick and tired of most people claiming that they themselves pay all of the billions of dollars in taxes out of their own pocket.

    Who does this? Go ahead and point it out, because I’ve never seen such a thing.

    Our country has its problems and there will never be a fix for them and the United States of America is doing its best to help, one law that everyone agrees upon is that if you don’t like this country, you have the personal choice to GET THE HELL OUT.

    That’s not a law; and that has no bearing on this discussion.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    I think that Andy L did has done his job on getting down to the bottom with Rob Port…

    What did he do? I see threats, accusations of racism that he hasn’t proven, numerous insults, and a bunch of crying. He’s been a crazy old man babbling about non-existent conspiracies. If you want to hang your hat with him, go ahead. Just don’t expect to be taken too seriously.

    …in which will be announcing very soon that ROB’S 15 MINUTE OF FAME WILL BE GONE ONCE AGAIN.

    Maybe among the Indians of Belcourt.

    What he needs to do is apologize to the Turtles Mountain Band Of Chippewas and well as all others because he knows what he wrote to start this whole thing was a big bunch of BULLSHIT!!!

    There was no bullshit and that’s what pissed so many people off. Rob shined a light on the dysfunction and he’s repeatedly stated that he’s not going to apologize for that.

    But if that is what he wants I am sure I could find some bulls and load the shit up and mail it to him.

    What are you talking about?

    This is getting so sicken that people are forgetting that this man put down very nice people…

    No he didn’t.

    …who the hell did he even talk to in Belcourt to get all this information? Does he even have a reliable source, if so whom are they?

    Can you read? Because this has already been explained.

    HE JUST NEEDS TO PUBLIC ALLY APOLOGIZE FOR HIS ACTIONS ON IT!!!

    What kind of person would apologize for telling the truth?

  • Neiman

    Holashit: Just how many races of human beings are there? I thought there was just one human race, not many.

    There are ethnic, national and tribal groups of Human beings, but I am confused, I thought there was only one human race.

  • holashit

    Anybody who believes that one race is better than another is an idiot. ALL races have the good and the bad, but African Americans and Native Americans are always going to be stereotyped. the Natives are always going to be on the radar due to the fact that we have reservations and are easily more pinpointed. As for welfare, that is a problem for all people and besides a farmers subsidy is a nice word for farmers welfare. When have you heard of anybody except a farmer recieve a welfare check in the amounts pushing as well as passing the million dollar mark?
    These farmers also post their land for nobody to hunt or tresspass then collect welfare AND insurance claims on land that was “destroyed” by wildlife, mainly deer.
    I am also sick and tired of most people claiming that they themselves pay all of the billions of dollars in taxes out of their own pocket. If that was true then writing for a stupid paper has its kickbacks because I save lives for a living and I am comfortable paying taxes. Besides if we did not pay taxes then your sorry excuse for a life would include being a minority to whoever would want to take over our country. Our country has its problems and there will never be a fix for them and the United States of America is doing its best to help, one law that everyone agrees upon is that if you don’t like this country, you have the personal choice to GET THE HELL OUT.

  • 2Hotel9

    No, andy, I am not going to post it here. I am collecting much of it for a research piece being written for American Legion Magazine. That is one of the “things” I do, legwork for writers. I really did not care about your specific problems, you inspired me! I contacted a couple of people and SHAZAM they were interested.

    Funny, what turns up when you start trawling thru information and statistics. Far more tobacco is shipped to TMR than is listed as being sold there. One of those interesting little nuggets. What could it possibly mean?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    welcomed you into their homes, talked with you freely, treated you well, and probably offered you a cup of coffee or something to eat, because that is the way people around here are.

    For that reason shouldn’t he want better for those people?

  • 2Hotel9

    andy l, victim du jour. How many of its kind have toddled through here in the last couple of years, Lik?

    Always the same song&dance, “your offending me!” your trivializing my suffering!” “government owes me,,,,,” wawawawawawawawa. Tired assed leftard crap.

    andy? What did you do today to alleviate the crushing level of unemployment in your community? Anything?

  • andy l

    Honestly, all BS aside.
    2Hotel9 on May 15, 2007 at 06:55 pm

    Honestly? HUH?

  • andy l

    lik, has anyone ever told you that you are a big part of the problem in this blog? Everything everyone has said to you, about you, in these “Indian” threads is true! Now you profess to be an Indian expert and create threads about Indians? Get a life, and get out.

  • andy l

    Who is this, attempting to rebuttal the Indian on Indian issues & existance? Just cute…
    Don’t bump brains with me, lik. You’ll hurt yourself.
    I’m waiting on a valid point from the source, not the secondary.
    Just sit back, practice reciting your opinions in the mirror, and enjoy the show.
    Next time come to me without the lopsided mind.
    Leroy on May 18, 2007 at 11:56 pm

    You see this? You see this? There’s more of this where that came from!

    Lik, OHIO BOY! Get a life. by the way, like your avatar! You still didn’t tell my why you seem to be having problems with that arm of yours. Need help? Come on to Belcourt, we’ll make you an appointment with the local doctor. While you’re here, we have a mental health clinic also. They’d take you in a flash.

  • http://www.tamicasworld.piczo.com/ Northern Native

    okay girl,native,16,nwt,Canada here:
    Hello, i live in the north and i read the article and the comments and i have to say, this is what i think(get off my land, was it really that cold in Britain/France? go back to england/France!…jk..or am i…) anyways seriously speaking why did these people have to go everywhere and mess everything up like what the hell the world was healthy and it had healthy happy natives everywhere that were good to the land then all of a sudden…these people think we need more than food,water,and air?! we need more that to live? because frankly no matter how much we evolve and grow in technology,economy,politically, we can be happy we always have problems its because we don’t need anything but to live, the natives already knew this,

    FYI: Russel peters a very hilarious comedian once said “you naives cant be called Indians(so why are you calling us Indian) because native are only called Indian because christopher Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492 and thought he was in India, he saw brown people(the real north-Americans) and he was like “hey look brown people they must be Indian! while the real indian were sitting at the docks waiting for him “where Chris?” *in indian* lol ha ha ha that funny i think…

    lol

    well i hope that one day people will just be a little less ignorant

  • andy l

    Nicotine? Walls? Dripping?

    Well, anyone figure it out yet?

    I’m waiting.

  • 2Hotel9

    andy? You should take your own advice. Get a life, get out. Your Tribe will do far better without your hate-anyone-that-ain’t-red attitude.

    Honestly, all BS aside.

  • RaeMarie70

    Rae, did you see those articles in the GF Herald and Fargo Forum lately about the problems on the reservation.

    Are you demanding that they print a retraction? If so why not?

    Also the source for that information was a tribal official. Are you demanding she hush up too?

    I am familiar with the articles. When have I demanded that Rob print a retraction? That has never been my agenda. I am here to defend myself and many others who have been placed into a generalized group by Rob’s article. And as far I can see, the only thing this article has helped is continuing to inflate Rob’s already inflated ego.

    And I repeat myself again! I have NEVER said that there weren’t problems on the reservation, NEVER!

    The problem with Rob’s article is and always will be that it was written under the pretense of trying to help–stated by him, Mr. Cates, and pretty much everyone else on this blog. The articles that I have read in the last few days are written from the perspective of all reservations, not just mine.

    My opinion is that I don’t care if Rob writes a retraction or apologizes. He wrote it, it’s out there, and now we (tribal members) have more cleaning up to do to repair the damage caused by Rob’s one-sided picture. And I am not saying that Rob caused any of the issues on my reservation. I am referring to repairing the self esteem of our children and perpetuated stereo-types that have been shoved back into our faces.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    andy l, victim du jour. How many of its kind have toddled through here in the last couple of years, Lik?

    Too many. And they all share the certain characteristics that you described. andy’s type believes that they can demand hundreds of thousands of dollars from the productive and then expect that we won’t say a word about it.

    andy? What did you do today to alleviate the crushing level of unemployment in your community? Anything?

    He probably lobbied to take more of your money. That’s what parasites do.

  • andy l

    For all her dogged stupidity, Diane wasn’t nearly this obtuse

    Bat! I don’t know who this Diane is, but, I dare say you are one of the most obtuse individuals I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. And, shame on you for talking bad about “Diane” when she is not around to talk back. The only thing I can think of is that Diane must be another person that disagreed with you.

    How dare you indirectly imply someone is obtuse! Shame on you! Now, I suppose, you will be saying I am obtuse also? Go ahead, if that’s your want. I couldn’t care less. You don’t know me, and your opinion of other people on this blog is not important.

  • Diane

    Since when is grammar so important on the net?

    But thanks for pointing out my error.

  • andy l

    Bulletproof logic there little-kid-shoe! I see a big fella that has earned himself a gold-star next to his name on the bulletin board! We cherish indignant assholes! Keep up the good work tough guy!
    Xavier on May 17, 2007 at 09:10 pm

    kewl!

  • Diane

    How does getting rid of a reservation help the situations you observed? Wouldn’t these same people be entitled to the same welfare with or without a reservation? Getting rid of the reservation was the only solution I see you offering. Don’t you think the problem may be a bit more complex than that?

    And since you are so keen on observations I made a 2 minute observation about you by checking out your ID and even though your photo was so itsy bitsy… I could still tell you are an obese man. Sorry for pointing out the obvious but people really needed to know.

    If we took away your dishes would you still be overweight? Probably. I’m just making an oberservation from your photo… Oh I’m sorry is talking about your weight too painful and humiliating for you to bare? or is it just that you prefer other overweight people to point out your obvious problem with food. Would you like to hear more about how you might be able to lose weight? Exercise and a good diet could make a big difference, but obsese persons such as yourself rarely make it off the couch and have multiple stains on their clothing… Tide with bleach works well… of course I am just telling you this for your own good. so dont feel offended… I’m just stating the obvious and it is the truth.

    Get the point?

  • andy l

    Thinking like that builds the hate and we will never rise above if it doesn’t change. I’m glad someone has the sense to want to bring this to someone’s attention. What have you done lately andy? Besides being angry?
    browneyedgirl on May 16, 2007 at 04:05 pm

    Browneyedgirl, I am praying for you. Put out tobacco, wish you the best. You need to realize, I have worked my entire life helping my people. My anger is actually pity, for the likes of Rob and his crew. You should listen to your auntie, she is right. Self-hatred will harm you, you need to do something about that.

    Again, I am praying for you and I wish you health and happiness.

  • RaeMarie70

    Nicely put, Diane!

    Whistler, I didn’t see any threats in Diane’s comment. And as for as insults go, how is what she said any more insulting than Rob’s observation of Belcourt.

    Who’s a hater?

  • Diane

    I dont see how pointing out obvious problems with him that could lead to serious health conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure, is any different than Mr. Port pointing out problems that were already obvious to the people who live in the Turtle Mountains. And I’ve actually offered better advice than him for his obvious problem… but his “solution” needed a lot more thought because it really isnt a solution at all. And somehow what he said about the Turtle Mountain Reservation was not insulting???? I dont get your logic. But I hope you do agree that being overweight puts a strain on tax payers too because paying for the healthcare for those who dont take care of themselves does end up costing a lot.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    But I hope you do agree that being overweight puts a strain on tax payers too because paying for the healthcare for those who dont take care of themselves does end up costing a lot.

    Which is why we oppose socialistic health care.

    Glad you’re finally catching up to the point, in a roundabout way.

    It’s called personal responsibility.

  • Leroy

    Well that was nice Leroy. A bit heavy on the assumptions, but all in all a typical complaint about someone pointing out some ugly truths.

    likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 10:08 am

    Who is this, attempting to rebuttal the Indian on Indian issues & existance? Just cute…
    Don’t bump brains with me, lik. You’ll hurt yourself.
    I’m waiting on a valid point from the source, not the secondary.
    Just sit back, practice reciting your opinions in the mirror, and enjoy the show.
    Next time come to me without the lopsided mind.

  • andy l

    I assume you’re educated, Rob. Act like it, & behave.
    Leroy on May 18, 2007 at 09:48 am

    Leroy, excellent comment. And, I don’t believe the man is educated. Finished high school, but college? Nope, don’t think so.

    Also, just to let you know. Rob’s teletubbies? Most of them are not from North Dakota. Very few of them know anything about Indian peoples or reservations, for that matter. And, they are self-absorbed. So far, the only ones I have identified as actually being from North Dakota besides Rob are The Whistler and Goon.

    One person in our community said “that’s a good thing! I’m so glad they’re not my neighbors! At least North Dakota doesn’t have to bear their cross!”

    At least there’s hope in North Dakota. We do have some good people in this state. Oh, and, by the way, your comment on problems faced by non-tribal peoples in the state? So true. If I could help them, I would. They’re pitiful!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Well that was nice Leroy. A bit heavy on the assumptions, but all in all a typical complaint about someone pointing out some ugly truths.

  • andy l

    Well that was nice Leroy. A bit heavy on the assumptions, but all in all a typical complaint about someone pointing out some ugly truths.
    likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 10:08 am

    What’s the matter lik? Tired? Maybe you should get some rest. Did you change your diaper yet?

  • Leroy

    Well, well-
    Looks like we have ourselves a little something here…
    Banished from the Rez, huh? Why does this matter so much to you, anyway, Mr. Rob? Seems to me that you’re ‘appalled’ by it anyway. Why waste everyone’s time ranting about something you are powerless to change. Your mouth is’nt going to change anything, that’s for sure.
    Look at all these posts- I guess I was wrong in assuming that we live in an intelligent world.
    ‘He who has the bigger hammer wins, get over it’- watch John Wayne movies much?
    Well, guess what, pilgrim- on Indian Land, the Indian has the bigger hammer. Get over it.
    And ‘the Indians were treated better than other conquered peoples’…
    So purposely afflicting us with diseases, or stealing away children to place in some psychotic mission school to be raped & tortured at some priest’s demand, or bashing in infant skulls to save bullets, or lying over & over for their own benefit in treaty after treaty, or by feeling legal to attempt Genocide because of beliefs that god said it so- well, if this was part of the better treatment, shit I’d hate to see those worse off- what did they do to them, eat them with kneophla?
    Come on, man.
    You go to a rez for one thing, and leave with a one-sided other which you use to explain the entire Reservation experience in ND by the FEW things you witnessed.
    ‘Rob, I don’t like you, or any of those who agree with you here. I think you are all fat & strange, & you steal land & lie too much. You could get much better houses, & your families could be more normal if you tried harder. But it won’t happen, ’cause I don’t think you know how to try.’
    Oops, sorry- I just classified an entire race by the actions of only a few of them. Wait, why am I apologizing- is’nt that what were doing here?

    The Tribal banishment was not just created for sex criminals or druggies, man. It’s there to eliminate any & all threats to the Tribe. You, sir, & your self-serving post have been deemed a threat, and so you were banished.
    You are conceited in your explanation of why Mr. Henry expressed that this banishment was also for your protection.
    Walk down your street, in your neighborhood (which is obviously sooo much more civilized than ours) and tell someone that he/she lives like a dog, and their children are worse, and you think the best way to begin to fix them is to take away their house. (Be sure to post the pics of your black-eye here, afterwards)
    Seems to me the government already tried your ‘logical’ idea of this get-rid-of-the-rez & assimilate the Injun crapola, & it blew up in their face. And you, who are you anyway? You write that the ‘tough love’ needs to begin, and follow up by saying you are not trying to put yourself above the Indian. Well, tough love from whom? You, a second rate journalist wannabe who watches waaay too much Rush Limbaugh? Those that agree with you here? Those that pray in mid-type that their post will at least resemble something smart in it’s finished draft?
    Tough love from who, Rob?
    Make your frikkin’ point already.
    So far, all I’ve seen is some non-Indian from frikkin’ Minot of all places, sliding into the Rez, judging a book by one page, and running home to rationalize and label an entire race, but deny it in the same thread. So you saw some poor Indians…I live in Bismarck, & on my way to & from work, and driving OTR, I see plenty of dirt poor, unemployed, addict whites. They stumble out of the bars here at noon, and spend a hell of alot of time in the paper on charges of child rape, or drunk driving, or domestic assault, & selling drugs by, or even at, a school. Strange how you don’t pay more attention to that. Perhaps you should attempt a column concerning that- your opinions might actually matter, there.

    I assume you’re educated, Rob. Act like it, & behave.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Xavier – did you forget to add anything substantive or was your plan just to insult?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Btw zac, you and “BIA” both share the same IP address and commit the same unique spelling mistakes.

    Don’t bullshit us bro.

  • zac

    Well nice to see that the sorce has finally popped his head out of his shell but I still see that you think you are an indian. Stating that you have worked on the indian reservations of ND sorry to let you know you have to be indian to work on the reservations. Oh you wonder why there is such a high un-enployment rate? Maybe it’s because there is so few job opprotunities for such a large group of people. Hu you ever think of that one Rob. Now I would like you to give me the link you got this info off and I will give you mine ok? ok.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Zac, ignoring the immature insults, can you explain where you get off saying this: So maybe you should not make such non-supported assumptions about a place you know nothing of.

    What “non-supported assumptions” have I made? Please point them out.

    Failure to do so will only leave me with the conclusion that you’re talking out of your ass. In other words, making non-supported assumptions.

    Leroy – that’s nice. I hope you feel better now.

  • RaeMarie70

    Seems like Rob’s column has achieved some measure of his intended purpose. People are starting to talk about the problems and how they can be solved. That is what he was trying to get started. Maybe we (or at least the sane among us) can agree that Rob said something that was true and so offensive that people began an examination that may not have started otherwise. That is entirely different from racism or a malicious desire to offend. RaeMarie70, what to you think of that hypothesis?

    I agree with it being true and offensive. But, I have to disagree with the hypothesis because the examination was already going on by people who had more at stake than their taxes being appropriated for government assistance. People were already making changes. All Rob did was write about the bad things he saw and made no mention of the good that was happening. It makes no difference to me his intent, racist, malicious, opinionated, or helpful. What ever his intent, he gave people an unfair picture of the Turtle Mountains. And then, it seemed like Rob was surprised that people from the Turtle Mountains would dare to defend their home.

  • Neiman

    Whether or not my half-sister is and my late half-brother was 1/4 Cherokee, I would and do feel compassion for the Native Americans now, but mostly when this country was young, we screwed them royally, that is the plain truth, and with the reservation system we continue to do so. Of course, I am not in favor of giving any of this country back to them, no more than they already have. Why? I like America and don’t intend to leave. In a similar fashion we royally screwed over African-Americans, and I feel compassion for their pain and I regret our past actions that caused them so much unnecessary harm. But, no reparations, no giving them part of this country as a separate nation, none of that crap. Why? I like America and don’t intend to leave.

    As long as people are willing to live fixated on past wrongs, being unable or unwilling to live in the present and for the future; and as long as they demand special treatment to pay them for their past injuries; they remain held captive to a welfare mindset, a modern form of economic slavery; and both blacks and Native Americans thereby condemn themselves to enslavement to the welfare state and they surrender themselves to abject poverty. Furthermore, both Native Americans and so-called African-Americans, being unwilling to take personal responsibility for their lives and that for the benefit of themselves and their loved ones, they will never gain the financial and political power as unique ethnic groups that they might share fully in the American dream.

    The government cannot lift these unique ethnic groups out of poverty or despair, nor can people of other races; in both cases these people would always remain dependents, subservient to those helping them escape their current situations. The only solution is for these people to take personal responsibility and by hard work solve their own situations and until then, they are fully responsible for their own situation.

  • andy l

    Rae, did you see those articles in the GF Herald and Fargo Forum lately about the problems on the reservation.

    Are you demanding that they print a retraction? If so why not?

    Also the source for that information was a tribal official. Are you demanding she hush up too?
    The Whistler on May 8, 2007 at 06:19 pm

    Mr. Peabody, Apples and Oranges. The articles refer to some studies that are being done by tribal members. We have been waiting for those studies for some time now. We never said we are trying to hide our problems, hence the public notification by tribal members of what efforts are being made by community members. I think one is a study out of UND, am I correct? The other is a concerted effort by all tribes in North Dakota to secure extra funding to fight our meth problems.

    Night and day from Rob Port’s article. You shouldn’t even be trying to compare.

  • andy l

    When you spell a word wrong it will immediately underline it in red so that you can easily see the mistakes. Most of us don’t make a big deal about spelling (except that “Proof” guy; it’s his schtick), but it does help our understanding and your presentation to use properly spelled words. Firefox has an additional bonus in that you can highlight a word or phrase, right click, and then hit “Search Google for…” It makes searching that much quicker.
    It’s just a suggestion.
    likwidshoe on May 20, 2007 at 03:15 pm

    Lik, you’re so sick. Is that the only way you can fight by criticizing someone’s spelling or syntax? Grow up little OHIO boy. Search google yourself, for asshole, you might find a definition for likwidshoe.

  • zac

    Read**

  • andy l

    Question, posted on the other thread too, for anyone capable of answering. How is it possible to have nicotine dripping from the walls in any house on earth? That part of Rob’s purported truthful article is completely implausible.

    We may need to send this out to mythbusters, or some such group.

  • zac

    But I hope you do agree that being overweight puts a strain on tax payers too because paying for the healthcare for those who dont take care of themselves does end up costing a lot.

    There is an assumption right there Lik. You are assuming that U.S taxes go tword health care for overweight natives. No it doesn’t if anyone is fat they have to pay for healthcare themselves. So like I said don’t make such BIG assumptions. Now go away im talking to first in command Mr.Secondary.

  • lumpy white man

    All of us white people suck ass! we are from europe so excuse our ways we try to push on everyone, not all of us are rotten, just about 89% of us are, so i apologize for my stupid race and their ways, just remember indians we white people like to think of ourselves as royalty, alot of royalty were incestual so that tells you about our brains. We also produced the “HILLBILLY” and the “US Government” 2 of the most disgusting group of beings on earth so dont feel so bad. Alot of these other white men posting on here are jealous of you injun men anyways cause we know our wives fantasize about making savage love to you guys. We white men suck in bed! Well thats all for now!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    zac – Well nice to see that the sorce has finally popped his head out of his shell but I still see that you think you are an indian.

    What are you talking about? Where did you ever get the idea that Rob thinks he is an Indian?

    Stating that you have worked on the indian reservations of ND sorry to let you know you have to be indian to work on the reservations.

    What are you talking about? No, you don’t need to be an Indian to have business on the reservations. Rob was there to “assist in tracking down/interviewing several witnesses for a criminal defense case I was working on at the time.” He has stated this repeatedly.

    Oh you wonder why there is such a high un-enployment rate? Maybe it’s because there is so few job opprotunities for such a large group of people. Hu you ever think of that one Rob.

    That’s understood. The Indians isolate themselves on the reservations where there is little in the way of job opportunity. That’s also been stated repeatedly.

    Now I would like you to give me the link you got this info off and I will give you mine ok?

    It’s called Google. Learn to use it. Here’s the link.

    There is an assumption right there Lik. You are assuming that U.S taxes go tword health care for overweight natives.

    Hah! Diane made that comment, not me.

    Learn to read a bit closer.

    Now go away im talking to first in command Mr.Secondary.

    How obnoxious.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    zac – have you raed any of my posts Lik? did you read the one where I said im non-indian so how can I be rasist against my own skin colore WOW how retarded can you get.

    How would I know what color your skin is? It doesn’t matter anyways. When you make a decision of what Rob can and can’t talk about based solely on his skin color, that makes you a racist, regardless of whether or not you share the same skin color. Goodness, how “retarded” are you?

    I’m not talking to myself ither just to let you know I have never heard of BIA on this blog and I wouldnt talk to myself thats what the secondarys are for.

    No, you were talking to yourself and I caught you. It’s okay. Don’t despair. Many two-bit trolls do the same thing. Just be glad that I let you know that I knew what you were doing before you went and had a full blown conversation with yourself.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    zac/BIA – You’re talking to yourself now? Hahaha! How stupid.

    Here, I respond to you zac AKA “BIA”:

    Like I said Lik go away I am talking with the sorce,Mr.secondary.

    Dude, I called you on your bullshit and you haven’t responded. I’m not going anywhere.

    carrick mabey a white guy from Minot shouldn’t have been pointing out problems that where not his to point out.

    He pays taxes, doesn’t he? And what the hell does his skin color have to do with anything? Not only have you outed yourself as a crazy who talks to himself, but also a racist.

  • 2Hotel9

    zac bleats,”Now all you haters see this is a team effort to make a point that your opinions are farfetched.”

    Not opinion, fact. Dept of Commerce, Dept of Interior, HUD, EPA, and BIA are the sources for the information in the public domain concerning Reservations and their populace. Your argument is with them, stupid.

    As for your contention that you are “showing” us anything, you have failed.

  • andy l

    (ANDY and you all, I am stuck at work for another few weeks, can one of you make sure they didn’t strike gold on my land while I was working, there is some reason they want the few square miles we have left now.)
    FKFL on May 8, 2007 at 12:15 am

    lol. I’ll keep an eye out for you. I’ll make sure these boys don’t take it while you’re away. Maybe there’s oil underneath, maybe that’s why they want it!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    andy l – Everything everyone has said to you, about you, in these “Indian” threads is true!

    What are you? Two years old?

    Now you profess to be an Indian expert and create threads about Indians?

    Why do you keep saying “Indian expert”? Those are only your words.

    You spend most of your time arguing against a construct that you created. It’s quite amusing in a way.

    Get a life, and get out.

    *smiles* I like it when certain people get so flummoxed in debate that all they can resort to are insults and the ever popular “get a life” jab.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Yeah,..I just switched over that code tag to a blockquote tag, Carrick. That looked like shit. What was that about?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Those are terrible numbers. It doesn’t seem that our anti-poverty efforts are working at all.

    Maybe it’s time to try something else?

  • carrick

    Zac:

    Oh and rob did you see the #s that carrick put up nothing close to

    They look pretty bad. I don’t think this reflects on individual Amerindians, but I do blame the leadership in a case like this, as well as our anti-poverty entitlement program

    TW:

    Those are terrible numbers. It doesn’t seem that our anti-poverty efforts are working at all.

    Maybe it’s time to try something else?

    I have an idea!

    Why not ban people who point out there is a problem?

  • carrick

    First time I’ve tried that code thing. Thought it would do better but it didn’t (preview wasn’t working for some reason). Here it is in familiar blockquote format:

    The poverty rate for American Indians in North Dakota is more than three times the rate for North Dakota All Races population: 38% compared to 11%.

    American Indians are nearly three times as likely to live in households without plumbing facilities as the general North Dakota population.

    Unemployment varies from reservation to reservation, but averages 63% for North Dakota American Indians as compared to the overall U.S. rate of 5.1%.

  • andy l

    Ask yourself who is causing the poverty you see around you now.
    It isn’t me.
    FKFL, no one is practicing genocide now. That ugly bit of our history is over. Now is the time to come together as one people, and that means ending the segregation that is the reservation system. There’s simply no way around that.
    Rob on May 7, 2007 at 11:40 pm

    Rob, we never implied you’re the one causing poverty! Your article goes a long way to harming the established integrity our tribe has, though. And, I think you know it. I also believe it was your intent to harm our tribe.

    Don’t you get it, Rob? Quit being a bonehead, for god’s sake. Our reservations are not segregationalistic systems. They are all we have left, as tribes, to ownership of anything on this earth! Your clear obsession with obliterating reservation systems is genocidal! Who do you really think you are? Think about it!

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Exactly!

  • Zac

    Joel I did not check out a book I hade to print out 4 sheets off of a flash drive for a school report.

  • BIA

    Zac I dont see why you stupe down to the level of the secondarys’ seeing how worthless they all are. But I like the points you have been making about the #s and statictics that you have argued. I still dont get why Lik bothers to make a point when he cant but oh well he will learn his lesson eventualy. Oh wait no he wont he is from Ohio, WHat an ignorant state. Ok whatever I guess Rob still wont comment on what leroy sais but thats another story. Big tough fat getto boy from minot thinks he can get away with saing this crap. You might have won the battel at first but this is gorrila war fare and you wont last for long.

  • zac

    have you raed any of my posts Lik? did you read the one where I said im non-indian so how can I be rasist against my own skin colore WOW how retarded can you get. I’m not talking to myself ither just to let you know I have never heard of BIA on this blog and I wouldnt talk to myself thats what the secondarys are for.

  • Zac

    it takes 5 minits to get from the library to my house and 3 to find the site and 3 to comment.
    see people wait in lines to use the e mail computers at the library.

  • Zac

    Lik im not being rasist it’s just I think that someone who does not live in a place and know nothing of what poverty is shouldn’t be able to critisize someone because of where they live. Now, Indians wher doing fine untill the whites came over game most of the small pox killed half there poppulation and raped small girls, bashed infants heads in and thought that they should all be killed because they wern’t white. Then we stole there land and sent them to live on crouded rezervations. So it’s only fare that we pay for there health care and give them welfare because we are the ones who through them into poverty in the first place.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    we dont have the same IP lik I was at the library when I typed my last comment

    So what happened? You typed a comment using the name “zac” at 3:39 PM, got up to go to the bathroom or something, someone sat down and wrote a comment (with the same kind of bad spelling) using the name of “BIA” at 3:48 PM, then you came back and signed in as “zac” and made a comment at 3:51 PM.

    3:39 – zac comments!
    3:48 – BIA comments!
    3:51 – zac comments!

    And I’m supposed to believe that?!

    Liar. You were caught. The best thing to do at this point would be to stop digging.

  • zac

    we dont have the same IP lik I was at the library when I typed my last comment now im on at home anyone could have been on the librarys IP.

  • docdave

    if someone spells something wrong you cant read it.

    Yeah, I can read it even with its mispelling and incorrect grammar but why would I want to read the scrawling of an apparent illiterate?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Zac – take this next bit as constructive criticism. I recommend that you download and use Firefox. It’s an excellent web browser that has a built in spell checker. When you spell a word wrong it will immediately underline it in red so that you can easily see the mistakes. Most of us don’t make a big deal about spelling (except that “Proof” guy; it’s his schtick), but it does help our understanding and your presentation to use properly spelled words. Firefox has an additional bonus in that you can highlight a word or phrase, right click, and then hit “Search Google for…” It makes searching that much quicker.

    It’s just a suggestion.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    IN (approx) 2000 comments across three different threads, these two morons (andy-xene) have said absolutely nothing worth consideration…..

    As the notifications hit my e-mail account, I simply “delete” (without reading) any comment that begins with andyl or xene…I was bored with these two assholes after the first day!!

    I’ve learned quite a bit about the Turtle Mountain reservation from other(more reasonable) tribal members and from SABers who have posted well thought out replies—Thanks!

  • andy l

    andy, a position upon which you can speak with authority, spewing racism.
    zac, no matter what you think or where you are headed, speak correctly, write correctly. You can not make any point when people can’t understand you. And do not text mess! That leads to disjointed thinking.
    2Hotel9 on May 20, 2007 at 04:51 pm

    The racism you suggest is only in your mind. My anger is reaction to the hatred each of you have toward Indian peoples. Don’t even try to deny it HOT, you’re one of the main ones.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    zac – Lik im not being rasist it’s just I think that someone who does not live in a place and know nothing of what poverty is shouldn’t be able to critisize someone because of where they live.

    You had said that a white guy shouldn’t be pointing out these problems. As far as the criticism was concerned, it dealt with the system itself.

    Now, Indians wher doing fine untill the whites came over game most of the small pox killed half there poppulation and raped small girls, bashed infants heads in and thought that they should all be killed because they wern’t white. Then we stole there land and sent them to live on crouded rezervations.

    “We” didn’t do anything. How old are you? You’re not old enough to have done any of these things and neither am I. Nobody alive today is. So why level the blame at our feet? It makes no sense to do that.

    So it’s only fare that we pay for there health care and give them welfare because we are the ones who through them into poverty in the first place.

    There you go with that “we” again. You want history? My major blood lines in this country go back to right before WW2. In light of this fact, your blame looks even more ridiculous than it did before. You can’t even blame my ancestors, so enough of this “we” shit.

    At the same time, how is that welfare working out for them? I would say that they aren’t doing so hot. In fact, they’re in downright dire straits when it comes to a lot of issues. It’s not helping. It’s only hurting them. And I, as well as others here, will point that out, regardless of who they are or what the history happens to be.

    What ever happened to the idea of treating people as equals? Coddling them with welfare and herding them onto isolated reservations where the opportunities are few and far between is not treating them as equals.

  • Zac

    gave**

  • andy l

    What ever happened to the idea of treating people as equals? Coddling them with welfare and herding them onto isolated reservations where the opportunities are few and far between is not treating them as equals.
    likwidshoe on May 20, 2007 at 03:05 pm

    Lik, you’re so off centered and off track, people are having a real hard time understanding you at all. Go to school or something. Get an education. Talk to a mental health provider. See a priest. Gawd, Lik, do something! GET SOME HELP, BOY!!

  • andy l

    “We” didn’t do anything. How old are you? You’re not old enough to have done any of these things and neither am I. Nobody alive today is. So why level the blame at our feet? It makes no sense to do that.

    Lik, come off it. You are guilty today of bigotry and racist statements in this blog. The blame you deny is leveled directly at you. You have demeaned and demonstrated hatred toward Indian women in a most hateful way. You’re a hate monger. Your racist spew on the threads in this blog is sickening. And, don’t deny it, everyone knows it to be true.

    Zac, don’t worry about this “child” named lik. He isn’t worth your time.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Walk softly and carry a big schtick…

  • andy l

    You can’t even blame my ancestors, so enough of this “we” shit.

    The blame doesn’t go to your ancestors. They probably weren’t racist or bigotted. The blame goes to you! You’re the one with the bad ways, boy.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    TURN THE PAGE!…

  • 2Hotel9

    andy, a position upon which you can speak with authority, spewing racism.

    zac, no matter what you think or where you are headed, speak correctly, write correctly. You can not make any point when people can’t understand you. And do not text mess! That leads to disjointed thinking.

  • andy l

    Jeez, Lik tries to be helpful, offering suggestions to help alleviate mistakes we all make, and Andy goes off the deep end.
    Tells us a lot about Andy, though. As if we didn’t already know.
    Rob on May 20, 2007 at 05:11 pm

    Rob! Lik isn’t being helpful, and you know it. He’s being hateful to an individual who came to the thread to express his opinion. Lik, poor boy, didn’t like what was being said, so he starts criticizing. Spelling? Syntax? Is that what’s really important here?

  • notso

    i am turtle mountain
    right now i’m notso proud that tm has no freedom of speech
    i don’t know what belcourt looks like-i live in tisa
    and i can tell you that trenton does not look like what rob described and he can come here and tour all he likes and not find anything like belcourt or get banished either and he can write all the articles he wants because this is still part of the united states of america, actually i wish he would come here and help our housing board keep track of the
    1 million dollars they received per the williston herald article entitled “Trenton secures housing funds” there’s only around 2000 indians at tisa, and i’m one of them so if ya do the math……….$1,000,000 divided by 2000 indians…….i figure i’ll get a $50,000 house any day now
    (actually, i won’t see a penny of it and neither will around 1950 of tisa indians–only friends and relatives of the tisa housing board or the tisa board will see any of the money) i dare someone, anyone to try and keep track of all the money that gets awarded to tisa right now, tisa is still refusing to conduct the audit that the court ordered

    rob is right
    only the ones with the power get to use any of that money in ANY government
    it’s just really blatant and obvious on the rez
    and it is obvious to most of us that
    corruption rules and all government is good old boy mentality

    i dare ya rob
    i’ll bet ya can’t track a measly $1 million dollars
    no one else seems to be able to (hint look in savings accounts for rainy day funding which the housing chair seems to think is the proper place to put it instead of spending the money on what the grants say to spend it on)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Put it this way- our government can work to remedy these problems…

    As long as you continue to believe that it is the government’s job to remedy the problems, you will fail. I don’t need to know where you’re from or what it is like there to know that simple truth.

    Oddly, I care more about the insane amounts being taken out of my paycheck, rather than where it all goes.

    If you don’t care that over 70 percent goes towards redistributional welfare programs, then it is kind of facetious to then claim that you care about “the insane amounts”.

    Tell me how non-Indian opinions & ideas could EVER make Indian existance better at all-

    The opinions apply to all, not just the little group known as Indians. Self sufficiency is not just a “non-Indian” idea.

    We all know a non-Indian’s opinion, to an Indian, about that very Indian is- well, to say the least not going to go very far, as brain-farts go.

    So much for an open mind. Why spend so much time caring about something so useless? So we’re not Indians. Big f-ing deal. So you’re an Indian. Again, big f-ing deal. It has no bearing on the particular opinions many of us have been expressing. To claim otherwise is to intentionally muddy the waters.

    Ultimately, I don’t care what you think is your business…

    You have an odd way of showing that you don’t care.

    Otherwise, I would advise you to play with someone your own age.

    Perhaps I’ll take you up on that and focus my “discussion time” to the company of those who are mature adults. Obviously, at this point, I’ll have to bid you adieu.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    Zac-
    What was the purpose of your trip to the library? Just curious….what book did you check out?

  • andy l

    But still, the unemployment rate for Rollette County (surrounding area you asked for) is 10%.
    And I think that number includes the reservation.
    Rob on May 20, 2007 at 05:04 pm

    Additional info: Rolette county population, around 70% native?

  • Leroy

    Leroy – that’s nice. I hope you feel better now.

    likwidshoe on May 19, 2007 at 08:37 pm

    Lik, I’ve niether the time nor patience for your one-liners. I said: Don’t bump brains with me, you’ll hurt yourself.
    I said it because you will…
    What I know of Turtle Mountain is from experience- what you know is from books, or websites, or-Hmmm, what an article feeds you.
    I’ve lived on this Reservation, & you have not.
    I’ve seen first hand it’s beauty, it’s flaws- you have not.
    Is there poverty among our people? Of course, just like there is among any other people. But it won’t change because someone ‘points it out’, or picks at it like a scab just to see how bad it will bleed. Put it this way- our government can work to remedy these problems only as fast as yours can to remedy it’s own- so much has to be ‘approved’ in DC first, you know (oh, those non-Indian opinions)
    I do see failures in Tribal government, but I see it also in the government as a whole. Greater America does nothing for it’s poor, whether they are Indian or not; instead I see commercials all the time for feed the Ethiopians, ect.
    But you know what? This maybe harsh to hear, but the Ethiopians are not my concern, they are Ethiopia’s concern.
    The Turtle Mountain Reservation- none of your concern; it is the concern of the Turtle Mountain Tribe.

    I guess now I’ll hear the infamous “I pay taxes, so it is my business” crapola.
    I pay taxes, just like you. Oddly, I care more about the insane amounts being taken out of my paycheck, rather than where it all goes.
    Understand just how much of those taxes exactly go to the so-called ‘handouts’ to the Reservations, and how much exactly are court-ordered repatriation in lieu of one-sided treaties. Or better yet, how much exactly goes to all the wars we ‘just have to’ fight-
    political or drug or immigration…only an imbecile can’t see our expensive ‘progress’ in those areas.
    Do with this as you may.

    Here, on the other hand, what I saw was a non-Indian brutally, insultingly classify an entire population of a people in this state with his visuals of a few houses, in one area, on one Rez.
    And then, have the gull to attempt an ‘authoritive opinion’ concerning the welfare of all Reservations here, without living on any of them.
    Tell me how non-Indian opinions & ideas could EVER make Indian existance better at all-
    seems to me that these ideas/opinions were the cause of much of the problems in the first place.

    I want to know why anyone with even the slightest amount of brain would think
    A) an article like this really serves any public purpose, other than to create hostilities
    B) why anyone would even assume that they are entitled to defame by way of mass-assumption
    C) that being taxed is the excuse to pry & profile.

    Any aspect of the Turtle Mountain Reservation is absolutely none of your concern (nor anyone else with no intellectual ties to it), it is the concern of the Tribe itself, regardless of what you pay in taxes.
    Be fair to yourself with your thoughts- stop trying so hard to accomplish nothing.
    We all know a non-Indian’s opinion, to an Indian, about that very Indian is- well, to say the least not going to go very far, as brain-farts go.
    So all that is left is insults, or ‘ugly truths’, as you call them.
    What was then the point of the article in the first place?
    Why would anyone openly defame by mass-assumption?
    Is it a Drama-queen complex? The need to be the center of attention, perhaps, regardless of the cost to us ‘equals’?

    I want to hear an educated point, not an educated guess.

    Ultimately, I don’t care what you think is your business, and would prefer- would demand that when you come to me with a rebuttal on this issue, please attempt more than a one or two line wonder spewed out of boredom or loss of thought. Otherwise, I would advise you to play with someone your own age.

    Peace

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    I see that some just don’t understand what the whole point of blogging is, or at least at this blog. We are citizens in discussion, nothing more, nothing less. Because they don’t understand this simple concept, they get angry and question what we expect to accomplish (debate, nothing more, nothing less). Some even miss the fact that this blog is approaching 17,000 articles. They ignore all of that and act as if the Indians were the number one topic here (only an ignorant fool would think this).

    No one is listening? Hundreds of thousands of comments from thousands of people put the lie to that little fantasy. But who cares? Apparently thousands of people do. But what do we expect to accomplish? Usually good debate. But why do we do it? Already been answered, quit asking and read for a change. We have no recourse or ability to change anything? It’s called America and the last time I looked, it was still a representative republic.

    The fool who doesn’t care and makes himself powerless deserves what comes to him.

  • Bat One

    Rob,

    For all her dogged stupidity, Diane wasn’t nearly this obtuse. Well… not quite.

    I’ve had enough. This is like trying to reason with a pair of 10 year-olds. Its a waste of effort.

  • Leroy

    I see some just don’t understand the concept of a simple question… What was the point of the article? Why did it ignore the ‘appalling’ state of America’s poverty as a whole- why ignore all the ‘ugly truths’, and focus only on Reservations, concluding a theory from the experience of just a few homes?
    Free speech is an amazing thing-
    We love it & practice it, use it to defame, and watch it accomplish nothing in an issue such as this (other than angry little one-liners spouting insults, or another want-to-be-acknowledged indifferent following suit- either way, STILL avoiding the point)
    Good debate lies in the ability to understand the actual power of the debate, it’s realistic outcome, and it’s ability to muturely present itself.
    Certain few here choose to insult those in disagreement, and steer as far away from the very ‘ugly truths’ they attempt to explain.
    Don’t use second-line additives to first-line intellect. It makes you look desperate & unstudied.
    Dabate, blog, excercise all the freedom of speech your keyboard desires. Inadvertently one of my questionshas been answered, with the admission that a blog is just that- a blog, & expects to accomplish ‘good debate’.
    What I’ve been asking is, again, what was the point of such a one-sided article?
    What purpose does it serve?
    If you did not write it, why then make such ill attempts to answer something not asked of you?
    To attempt to speak of something you know nothing about, other than what you read or follow, & while doing this label everyone else the fool.
    Stop reciting from the fortune cookies, & validate for a change…
    Now, let’s focus back on that “rubbish”, shall we?

    Peace

  • carrick

    Leroy, now you’re just trying to see how foolish you can look.

    When the communists took over in Russia, one of the first things they did was to control freedom of speech,. especially among the more educated. Even in a non-free country, speech (which blogging is a form of) is a potent tool for change.

    Again, I seek an educated point, not an educated guess.

    What rubbish.

  • Leroy

    You can ONLY validate nothing. America has unemployment, drug/alcohol addiction, and poverty level living conditions that ARE the norm in the most distressed areas of the country (undoubtedly some part of your very own community can be applied, as well)
    Yet, the article was only about the Reservations, & the purpose it serves remains a mystery…
    Supply proof that it applies to ALL the People on ALL the Reservations in ND, as it attempts to do.
    Don’t expect me to not see something like this article as both mass-assumed & sladerous, unless you can show me why I should not see it as such. Show me why the poverty or crime on a Rez is so much different than that in your community. Show me why it’s so important to expose ours, & ignore yours.

    -Do so on Rob’s dime. He keeps inviting you to do that. You refuse to do so. Because you can’t?

    I’ve been trying. Problem is, I keep getting the line snagged on you.

    Give it up.
    Repeated excuses only sound more assinine each time they are used.

    Peace

  • 2Hotel9

    zac, you morons are failing miserably.

  • andy l

    Rob, Question. What about the comments you’ve made about child support and therefore, collaterally, welfare TANF, on your thread:

    Monday, February 19, 2007
    North Dakota Child Support Enforcement Turns To Debtor’s Prison
    By Rob on February 19, 2007 at 10:24 am

    http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/north_dakota_child_support_enforcement_turns_to_debtors_prison/.

    Your statement, in part:

    You gotta love how they brag about all the child support they collect. As though that were a positive thing. A figure that should be increased instead of decreased.

    So what does this shift entail? Putting you in prison if you don’t pay your child support.

    Of course, it doesn’t matter that it’s rather hard to pay off one’s debt while in prison. Or that it’s hard to keep a job and income when you have to tell your employer that you just got convicted of a felony. As long as Child Support Enforcement gets it’s pound of flesh and can add funds to that “total child support collected” figure they’re always bragging about everything is hunky dory, right?

    What’s worse is that the child support agency can also, in addition to putting you in jail, also contact you bank and simply deduct the money you owe without even obtaining a court order:

    What seems amazing callous to me is the fact that almost no consideration is given to the financial burdens of the person paying the child support. What if the person paying got stuck also paying off some massive credit card debt from the marriage? That doesn’t get taken into consideration. Only the person’s income does. Which means that if this person tries to start another family or has to deal with a personal disaster like a furnace that goes belly-up in the middle of winter or a flooded basement, it won’t matter. That person still owes a pound of flesh, and if that pound of flesh doesn’t get paid it will come directly out of his/her bank account (without due process of law). And failing that, the obliged parent will be put in jail.

    Granted, this stuff doesn’t happen often since most parents are capable of paying their child support, but it shouldn’t be happening at all. Especially given that enforcement on the flip side of these issues pretty much doesn’t exist. Meaning that anyone who has ever tried to contact law enforcement or another state agency to get a custodial parent to comply with a visitation order issued by a judge has pretty much met with a brick wall.

    Which is quite the disparity, no? Complying with court-ordered child support is enforced with jail time and bureaucrats digging into your bank account. But complying with court-ordered visitation? Not hardly enforced at all.

    What’s up with all that? And now, Indian people should just up and die, because they collect welfare? What is it Rob? What is fair? Can you explain it? Huh?

    And, further on, you decry:

    I’m also criticizing a state bureaucracy that is growing well beyond the limits that would concern any principled conservative. Seizing bank funds without due process? I mean, c’mon.

    And, yet, it’s OK to pull the rug out from Indian women and children on reservations who are living the high life on the government’s “welfare tit”?

    What is it Rob? What really is your agenda, anyway?

  • andy l

    Rob writes….
    Probably because they don’t know any better. They were likely raised in housing projects by their parents, who in turn were probably raised in housing projects themselves. The “welfare mentality” has become so ingrained in these people that most of them don’t have any drive to reach for something better. It’s not that they’re incapable of education and holding down a steady job, it’s just that they don’t have to do those things to eek by in life. Like their parents before them, they leave selfish lives full of self-gratification and little achievement while the government subsidizes them.

    Xene, you are so right. This is true filth. First, it is not what I would call true journalism. One sided at best. No investigative reporting there. And inarticulate. I just don’t understand how the rest of his cohorts can’t see through the ineptitude of the article, and the harm it has caused our whole tribe.

    You do a good job Xene. Thank you.

  • Xene

    This is the last post i will make…unless I see that you are abusing our woman again. You will speak respectfully to the women of my tribe. Do you understand that..I will not interfere with your bullshit any longer.

  • FKFL

    FKFL, no one is practicing genocide now. That ugly bit of our history is over. Now is the time to come together as one people, and that means ending the segregation that is the reservation system. There’s simply no way around that.

    Rob You really think that there is no longer an active practice of genocide??!!?? I almost laughed but then I thought maybe this guy really thinks that, no no way anyone is that cloistered (are they?).
    The things I listed as examples were not from yester year, those are things happening still today. If you are truly so naive to think that, I finally see how you could have written the article, being blind to the ills of your society makes it easier to do what you have to do then, like participate in ongoing genocide by supporting it with ill written articles.
    There are a lot of non native folks out there that are real human beings; I am so privileged to know many of them. I guess I was naive actually, to think there was any sincerity in your sometimes kind posts. To be an obviously educated man that you are, you know the genocide practices I am speaking about. This makes me think you say these ugly things on purpose. That is so so sad for a grandmother to hear, that no matter what we write, no matter what kind tone I take, I am not getting through to you. And you could be such an answer to many of the ills the world (as a whole) face. It is a pity to not have you working on the positive healing things. We have to, because we have to face our children, and grandchildren, and great grandchildren, I want to always face them with dignity and have them know I gave the world my honest existence. I could even see you and Andy co facilitating an open meeting on the eradication of racism in North Dakota. I have not cussed or ranted here, I wouldn’t there either. When they did this in Minnesota it was well attended and made some differences.
    PS as to leaving the rez as an answer, we learned through the harms caused through the relocation act (a previous admitted attempt at genocide) that leaving it is what caused much of the issues we face today. History teaches us that what you propose as an answer is already proven a disaster.
    (ANDY and you all, I am stuck at work for another few weeks, can one of you make sure they didn’t strike gold on my land while I was working, there is some reason they want the few square miles we have left now.)

  • FKFL

    We had land to make a living on. Non natives realized that a law saying full bloods couldn’t sell their land was stopping them from taking it, so they invented a “scratch test” meaning they scratched our arms and counted the seconds it took for the scratch to disappear, by that method and by “losing” records, they reduced the blood degree of many families thereby opening up our “trust” lands to be sold to non natives for pennies. Even today, a company wants to run cables across trust land, you refuse to sign the agreed lease, the BIA can over ride, making a decision for you, and allow that to happen.
    What you also don’t realize in your small world, is that the enrollment of the Turtle Mountain Band is not limited to the families you see on the rez, we have one of the smallest reservations, and one of the largest enrollments in the US. We didn’t invent the enrollment process by the way, many of us myself included feel it is part of the ongoing genocide practice.
    And yes, it is a practice of GENOCIDE, from the beginning of the diseased blankets, to the alcohol, to the stealing our children and trying to destroy our culture, by bringing the meth to our reservation for the children to find… the list of genocide practices by some of the non native world is long and goes on.
    The WAR AGAINST GENOCIDE continues also. I know Andy’s family has been in it from the beginning, I know that because my parents were too, how do you think I as a child first heard his family’s name? We were, as many of our people were, raised in the struggle. That struggle to keep the traditional culture going for the children, a movement that has been growing stronger on our reservation, making our people stronger.
    The weapon your culture uses these days, institutionalized racism, is even being over come by our persistence and resistance to the genocide.
    There are many of our own people (and obviously yours) who don’t even know the history of our tribe and the original Pembina Band’s historical importance to our continued existence today (which the BIA is trying to exterminate by stopping the enrollment for the Pembina Band in the 1970′s).

    The article in the paper seems to have gone beyond freedom of speech, it was libelous due to the intent:

    “In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against criticism.

    The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action.

    “Defamation” is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between “slander” and “libel”. Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published. If the offending material is published in some fleeting form, as by spoken words or sounds, sign language, gestures and the like, then this is slander. If it is published in more durable form, for example in written words, film, compact disc and the like, then it is considered libel.”

    The difference between the other articles quoted in the blog is that they were printed to give information, your article appears to have been printed to “make a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation.”
    Our reservation isn’t perfect, your taxes which are going to repay some that genocide debt and attempt to repair a wrong (which it falls far short of). My taxes are paying for some of the repairs on your streets, your cities, your BIA. It’s how taxes are, I don’t like it either, but I don’t mind my taxes going for more police, children’s and elders services, education of young women like the one posting here.
    You want all my people “fixed” so they don’t need any government aide, fine, stop all your people from the practices of racism and genocide, give us our land back so we can make a living, stop raping mother earth for her resources, and leave our children’s minds alone.

  • 2Hotel9

    We have to validate nothing. Your rez has unemployment, drug/alcohol addiction, and poverty level living conditions well above the norm in all but the most severely economically distressed areas in the country. Government aid and entitlement programs appear to be having the exact opposite of their stated intent.

    That was the point of the article. You disagree? Supply prove that it is wrong. Do so on Rob’s dime. He keeps inviting you to do that. You refuse to do so. Because you can’t?

    Does not matter. Your done. Goodbye.

  • Anna

    First off I’m going to express my “view” which I do believe is the point of blogs in general.
    The topic is about Rob’s 15 hours visit on the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation in northern North Dakota.
    In my view it was an excellent unbiased article describing what he encountered while there. Amazingly, a lot of you have argued that it was “non-Indian brutally, insultingly classify an entire population of a people in this state with his visuals of a few houses, in one area,” Obviously, that means if Rob was “Indian” then the entire article would be viewed differently? Maybe ,if Rob was an “Indian” author then you and the others arguing here would view it as the Native Americans getting the attention of the “non-Indians” since the majority of Americans are not aware of the situation. But in reality he simply brought empathetically attention to the plight of a given situation.
    Some of you were correct to say he didn’t mention other races unfavorable or unfortunate situations and the simple reason was that that wasn’t what he was writing about. That’s one of the good things about America… we can “SAY ANYTHING” He didn’t happen to mention the hardships that are experienced in Harlem either… or Cambodia for that matter. But, if anyone does feel a need to talk about the other issues not mentioned in the article then by all means start another blog topic and state your view but Ron’s topic has nothing to do with that topic.
    Sadly, some readers looked past his intentions without good thought… straight past into blaming others.
    There is so much more I could say to contradict the ones that have taken an “anti-Ron” approach to something he felt deeply enough to bring light too… lol, and no doubt I will :D

    “A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race — and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin.”

  • Zac

    Ok Lik sorry about your little fit you had about wut people are saying. Non-Indians who sit there and assume you know something about life on the reservations of ND when most of these people supporting Rob are not from ND. So maybe you should not make such non-supported assumptions about a place you know nothing of. Now,I am not an Indian but I support everything that they have been fighting for over the past 5 centuries. So if you know so much about the Turtle Mountain rez maybe you should come see it some time and learn that most of the people living there are content with there life.
    Stop trying to pretend you know something about anything little pretenders.

  • turtlemountainchippewa

    ROB,

    You are sitting here reading all of these blog entries that we all write about the mistake that you had made, you can not say anything but put down Native Americans? Well let’s see, I am 25 years old, my husband makes about 45,000 a year. He works, I go to school, most people that are on this reservation would rather educate them selves at our college. Maybe could that be why there is so much people that do not have jobs BECAUSE THEY WANT TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES BETTER TO PURSUE there DREAMS? I am sure glad that you think that we all sit on our asses and do nothing. Maybe you should go ask the college how many people are enrolled in school there, oh wait you can’t you are part of a very low percent of people who did harm to us and are NOT ALLOWED back here. Man, you should have gotten all your facts right the first time, because now you look like someone that is still full of shit.

    As one man would say when listening to him in the morning:

    GOOD DAY!!!!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

    I apologize to Rob for quoting his name incorrectly*

  • Xene

    I am sorry to my elders if my language has offended you.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Leroy – your questions have been repeatedly answered. You’ve just been too stupid to recognize the answers.

  • Leroy

    Nice, lik. Give you something that makes you think a little, and out come the insults. In reading your past posts, all I’ve found is blatant stupidity.
    Pass on the brain to the next guy, now- you’re time is up (you make me think I need to buy some Tucks).
    One can tire of your one-liners quite easily…
    Go fetch some ‘good debate’ in your own little insulting way; you have the ‘freedom of speech’ to do so.

    There have been no answers anywhere, YET. I’m sure something somewhat intelligent would come up, if you, blogger, would allow the thread to go in that direction, rather than the childish one you repeatedly choose.
    Thank you, but you are of no use to me.

    Peace

  • cazarig

    How dumb are you? I am a Turtle Mountain Chippewa and very proud of it. I don’t live there but all of my family does. Most of family either own their homes or they are buying them. And they are paying for them from the money earn at their jobs. Are you telling me that they don’t have the same problems every where? I work in law enforcement in Montana and the only Natives in my town is my family. We have low income homes, people drinking by noon and guess what they are all white. What you did was sterotype, why not come to my town and talk about all the white drunks, drug users, child/wife abusers because guess what that’s all you will find there. You can’t judge a race by a hand full of people you came in contact with.

  • andy l

    Because Andy has no reasoning?
    The Whistler on May 26, 2007 at 07:17 pm

    Keep going Mr. Peabody. Everyone just loves it when you are condescending…

  • Leroy

    Oh, Lik…It’s like trying to swat a fly in an outhouse with you, is it not? The article was one-sided, and you know it. When I ask about it, you chime in, (like I asked you anything) and play games. You insult, but say everyone else does, you try all hard to answer what is never asked of you, you pretend to have any idea about what you know absolutely nothing about- and still attempt to come off as an intelligent person. My first post was written directly to Rob, & here I am, reading you, whenever your favorite cartoon is over. Now, let’s see how good YOU listen…
    THANK YOU, but you are of NO use to me.

  • notso

    shhhh anna
    don’t give em any ideas
    can they track me from this blog?
    hope not, haven’t got my kevlar jacket ordered yet and i’m not related to the powerful ones
    besides, tisa is not rez land

  • Jon

    It is very sad to hear that the Indian reservations are not doing well. The United States did some pretty awful things in the past to the Native Americans but they have tried to make it better by helping them out now. The problem is that by the government helping the Indians now, they are actually doing more harm than good. The Indians (especially the ones in North Dakota) are taking advantage of all the free assistance but are doing nothing to help their situation. They are still living in their ghettos and are living in shacks. Their living conditions are comparable to those in the slums of New York City or Los Angeles. It sounds like the government needs to help these people out by not giving them so much to take advantage of. They need to learn that it is not okay to live in these dreadful conditions.
    Rob Port stated in his article, “I have heard the tales from the notorious slums in places like Los Angeles and New York, but I’m not sure those slums can beat North Dakota’s Indian reservations in terms of pure filth and abhorrent living conditions.” Our U.S. government gives billions upon billions of dollars creating education and employment opportunities for Indians. They also assist the Indians in the form of housing, money, food money, welfare money, etc. The problem is that these Indians are not realizing how lucky they are. They are not taking advantage of the situation. This is very disappointing to hear about.
    Most likely most of the families that are living in these dreadful conditions do not have a problem with it because they grew up the same way. Their parents lived like this and so did the parents before them. They are completely used to living in slums and in poverty and since there is no reason to get out of it, they are not going to try. Possibly, if the government stopped aiding them so much, they might be able to better their situations. If the government was not paying for so much of their housing and giving them money, these Indians might just go get jobs and try to make their lives better.
    It is very disappointing to hear about stories like this. The U.S. government made mistakes in the past on how they dealt with the Indians and now they are trying to make it better. They are trying to pay the Indians back for all of the pain they caused in the past. Many Indian Reservations are doing great. They are taking advantage of the government’s support and they are thriving. Many have opened casinos which are making them much wealthier. It is just sad to hear that even with the aide of the government; some of these tribes are doing very poorly. They are completely using the government and not giving anything back to the community. They continue to live in poverty and it is just wrong.

  • Jabberwocky

    Proof, I could care less what color anyone is. I was trying to “port”ray a racially biased, condescending, and prejudiced picture of what I chose to see. Obviously it worked if you are accusing me of being concerned about color. Did you fall off the boat again? Oops, should be “miss it”? It was meant to be satire. Did you laugh? Or did I piss you off?

  • andy l

    “Blanket” isn’t a racial term concerning Indian apparel, so don’t get your buckskins in a dither.
    skh.pcola on May 25, 2007 at 12:26 am

    racist, bigotted statement. Real cute.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Leroy – Nice, lik. Give you something that makes you think a little…

    No you didn’t. You just had the same old tired complaints asking a bunch of questions that have been answered one or two hundred times already. You didn’t say anything new or insightful.

    In reading your past posts, all I’ve found is blatant stupidity.

    You know what’s “blatant stupidity”? Reading the article and then reading a bunch of comments and still wondering as to why it was written. Here, real slow just for you chief:

    Government has made the problems worse. The reservations are failing.

    There have been no answers anywhere, YET.

    Yes there have. You just missed it all the many times it has been explained. Watch, you’ll miss the above blockquote and ask the same question in a few comments.

    I don’t know what to tell you. The answers have been laid out. If you read, you’d find out. I guess you can now go back to your insulting.

    cazarig – What you did was sterotype, why not come to my town and talk about all the white drunks, drug users, child/wife abusers because guess what that’s all you will find there. You can’t judge a race by a hand full of people you came in contact with.

    You’re another one who just doesn’t get it. You asked the question, now I ask back: How dumb are you?
    Real slow just for you cazarig: it’s not about race. It’s about the entitlement welfare mentality. It’s about government screwing up what they were tasked to solve.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

    [slaps Sparkie up the side of his head]:P

    notso,
    Exactly, we all agree that all gov’t has some form of corruption but not all governed people have a means to litigate their gov’t and that has to be exposed.
    I commend you on looking past your pride in hope to further educate the public of these issues

  • skh.pcola

    cazarig:

    why not come to my town and talk about all the white drunks, drug users, child/wife abusers

    Why don’t you challenge your intellect and start your own blog in Montana and write about all of those white trash losers? Hell, make it humorous and I’ll come read it and make fun of them, too. Quit ass-uming that we are all blanket bigots.

    “Blanket” isn’t a racial term concerning Indian apparel, so don’t get your buckskins in a dither.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

    notso.. I’m curious as to what keeps you from being banished from the rez for publicizing such unfavorable information?

  • andy l

    Here’s your cue to make some stupid comment and add an insult or two. Or maybe you can whine about how the article supposedly was about “ALL the People on ALL the Reservations in ND”, even though it’s been repeatedly stated that that wasn’t the case. You’ve already shown a knack for asking questions and complaining about things that have already been answered a couple hundred times, so why stop now?
    likwidshoe on May 26, 2007 at 06:10 pm

    Lik, little boy. You’ve been making stupid and ignorant comments from the start! Don’t you realize that you are one of the problems here? You don’t listen. You refuse to or don’t understand. Your statements are filled with hatred. Your attitude toward anyone that confronts statements that you have made, regardless of nationality, is puerile. You have angered nearly everyone who has visited this site, and you continue to spew your hatred. You really need to evaluate yourself. You need help. I know, I know. I keep repeating that, but I really do believe it.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Leroy – I see you’re avoiding my questions.

    Avoidance is your game. You make a bunch of claims and then balk at providing answers or evidence. Many who have been coming around here lately have been doing that.

    Here’s your cue to make some stupid comment and add an insult or two. Or maybe you can whine about how the article supposedly was about “ALL the People on ALL the Reservations in ND”, even though it’s been repeatedly stated that that wasn’t the case. You’ve already shown a knack for asking questions and complaining about things that have already been answered a couple hundred times, so why stop now?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    The article was one-sided, and you know it.

    An article that focused on the poverty limiting its focus to the poverty? One sided or simply staying on topic?

    When I ask about it, you chime in, (like I asked you anything) and play games.

    What games?

    You insult, but say everyone else does, you try all hard to answer what is never asked of you, you pretend to have any idea about what you know absolutely nothing about- and still attempt to come off as an intelligent person.

    What do I know “absolutely nothing about”?

    My first post was written directly to Rob, & here I am, reading you, whenever your favorite cartoon is over. Now, let’s see how good YOU listen…
    THANK YOU, but you are of NO use to me.

    This is a public blog. I’m not supposed to be any use to you. Perhaps you should go somewhere else if you have these problems. If you don’t want people to respond to what you say, then don’t write them in a public forum.

  • Leroy

    The title of the article itself refers to ALL the people on ALL the Reservations in ND– ‘The Appalling State of Our Indian Reservations’, you imbecile. Was it meant to? Doesn’t matter- it does.
    Give it up, child.

  • andy l

    Bigoted: “B” as in bonehead, “I” as in Indian…you get the idea!
    Proof on May 25, 2007 at 10:11 am

    the least you could do is stop making bigotted statements. I’ll speel words the way I want, nitpicker.

  • Leroy

    Some people’s kids, I tell ya…Good grief

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Leroy – so you’re all on meth?

    Tribes need to admit their communities have a methamphetamine problem before they can address it, Karrie Azure-Elliott of the Tribal Judicial Institute said.

    Azure-Elliott, a member of the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa Indians, spoke at the Midwest Methamphetamine Conference in Lincoln, Nebraska. She said reservations are susceptible to meth due to limited law enforcement, poverty and other social problems.

    Using your logic, they must be talking about of the all Turtle Mountain residents.

    I imagine you have a few questions and statements for the reporter at Indianz.com. I’ll lay them out for you. These are all your own words with only the bold words changed.

    Why did it ignore the ‘appalling’ state of America’s meth problem as a whole- why ignore all the ‘ugly truths’, and focus only on Reservations, concluding a theory from the experience of just a few homes?

    Don’t expect me to not see something like this article as both mass-assumed & sladerous, unless you can show me why I should not see it as such. Show me why the meth problem on a Rez is so much different than that in your community. Show me why it’s so important to expose ours, & ignore yours.

    You can ONLY validate nothing. America has unemployment, drug/alcohol addiction, and poverty level living conditions that ARE the norm in the most distressed areas of the country (undoubtedly some part of your very own community can be applied, as well)
    Yet, the article was only about the Reservations, & the purpose it serves remains a mystery…

    The article was one-sided, and you know it.

    We see the title refers to Reservations as a whole (Reservations consist of- yup, you guessed it again- Indians) Hmmm- what about the content of the article? Read it again, and- well, if you still can’t figure it out, then I guess you are deserving of more pity than I first assumed.

    So according to Leroy and his logic, this article is saying that ALL Turtle Mountain Indians are on meth.

  • andy l

    You throw these things out there and then don’t explain or clarify. Suggesting the Firefox browser is “hateful”? I’d like to know how.
    likwidshoe on May 27, 2007 at 03:18 pm

    Your suggestion to zac wasn’t meant to be useful, but only to make fun of him, simple as that.

  • andy l

    Question: is it talking about ALL of the children?
    No, of course not.
    But you don’t see that. All you can do is offer more bluster and insults. Give it up, child.
    likwidshoe on May 26, 2007 at 06:44 pm

    Poor comparison, lik. You know it. Now, you are truly grasping at straws.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    The title of the article itself refers to ALL the people on ALL the Reservations in ND– ‘The Appalling State of Our Indian Reservations’, you imbecile.

    Wow. I say jump and you jump.

    Try this one on for size: imagine an article that details all of the school shootings, violence, poor reading and math scores, poor attendance, high drop out rate, and etcetera. Imagine that it is titled,

    “The Appalling State of Our Public Education System”

    Question: is it talking about ALL of the children?

    No, of course not.

    But you don’t see that. All you can do is offer more bluster and insults. Give it up, child.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Your suggestion to zac wasn’t meant to be useful, but only to make fun of him, simple as that.

    No it wasn’t. It was meant to be helpful. What was I supposedly making fun of?

    But that aside, can you explain how it was “so sick” and “hateful”? What made the suggestion “hateful”?

    For the record, it’s not the first time I’ve advocated for the Firefox browser. It’s a great tool.

    And again (are you avoiding this question?), how was my education
    example
    a “poor comparison”? You never did tell us.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    andy l – care to answer how it was a “poor comparison”?

    Care to answer how this helpful comment extolling the virtues of the Firefox browser comes to be characterized by you as “so sick” and “hateful”?

    You throw these things out there and then don’t explain or clarify. Suggesting the Firefox browser is “hateful”? I’d like to know how.

  • andy l

    Nice try Andy I’m really sure you tried your best but that was insulting, this post is condescending.
    The Whistler on May 26, 2007 at 07:21 pm

    Insult is all you’ve ever been capable of issuing when dealing with Indians. At least we agree on that one, Mr. Peabody.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Doesn’t matter if it’s talking about ALL the children…the title itself refers to the public education system as a whole, consisting of- yup, you guessed it- ALL the children.

    No it doesn’t. It’s talking about the failing system.

    This isn’t a hard concept. Are you a graduate of Turtle Mountain H.S., by chance?

    (‘Reservations’ being plural; you seem to be missing this somehow)
    Does it mean ALL the Reservations?

    I didn’t miss that it is plural. It means our reservations as a whole. It doesn’t mean all, although you could certainly write it that way to mean all.

    We see the title refers to Reservations as a whole (Reservations consist of- yup, you guessed it again- Indians) Hmmm- what about the content of the article? Read it again, and- well, if you still can’t figure it out, then I guess you are deserving of more pity than I first assumed.

    So reservations = Indians. And it means “all”, even though you just contradicted yourself by saying that it means “as a whole”.

    Looks like you have to work that one out. Does it mean all or as a whole? Before you throw out the “obnoxious & ignorant” to everybody else, perhaps you should also question why you would make such an ignorant contradictory statement.

    I don’t need your pity. It’s a disgusting emotion that you should work on. It’s tied into one’s own pride.

    Your malnourished posts.

    That’s not very specific. I’ll take it that you just wanted to insult me and feel no need to explain your criticisms because they have no substance and can’t be explained.

    Indian issues in any aspect.

    Again, that’s not very specific. The only Indian issue I know of is that the reservations are swimming in poverty and dysfunction. The graduation numbers prove it. The home ownership rates prove it. The incarceration rates prove it. The welfare statistics prove it. The child pregnancy rates prove it. The one parent household rates prove it. And on and on. All one needs to do is to read the news and check the U.S. Census Bureau figures to see those stark realities.

    Though you are strange, I find you quite amusing…
    but still of no use to me.

    Again, what “use” was I supposed to be to begin with? You’re at a blog. You can find debate and maybe learn a thing or two if you decide. But beyond that, maybe it’s time to evaluate your expectations and get a reality check.

  • Bat One

    Bat, you just don’t understand. Not our Indian viewpoint, it’s apparent now that you will never agree with any of us, but the reality of the entire situation. You can never really say with absolute certainty that what you are saying is valid because you do not understand our reality over here on the rez.

    Andie,

    The electronic ink is hardly dry on your accusation that I implied that all Indians “think the same” and “all have the same agenda,” and then you have the nerve to write this? Talk about hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance. What the hell are you thinking, anyway?

    If I remember correctly, I was invited by Xene to offer my opinions. Now If you don’t like what I said, or disagree with me on a factual or intellectual basis, that’s fine with me. I’m hardly going to get excited and lose any sleep over your opinion anyway.

    But if that’s the case, try to remember next time not too make such a fool of yourself when you disagree. You have a pretty substantial credibility problem to begin with. Try not to make it any worse!

  • andy l

    Rob,
    For all her dogged stupidity, Diane wasn’t nearly this obtuse. Well… not quite.
    I’ve had enough. This is like trying to reason with a pair of 10 year-olds. Its a waste of effort.
    Bat One on May 7, 2007 at 10:52 pm

    Well, good. You won’t have a reasonable discussion with us anyway. Bat, not one of us will miss you at this thread anyway. You are counterproductive. You don’t really know what you’re talking about. You are ill informed and don’t know much about reservation and tribal peoples anyway.

    None of us will miss you. OK?

  • Xene

    When this first started I sent your article to every state, even every paper in the Uk. I sent your article to every tribal paper, to every law school. I sent it to colleges and newspapers. My job is done with you. You will be exposed to every free thinking person in America,I am done with you and the moron choir. I have checked the papers and websites…. You Rob Port will be remembered….but not in a good way as far as I am concerned.

  • Jabberwocky

    No, the prostitutes and exotic dancers are available in Minot, Grand Forks, Bismarck, and Fargo.

  • andy l

    Second, let me say that when we say we want Indians to assimilate with the rest of society we’re not talking about you losing your heritage. Be Indian if you want to be. Honor your ancestors. Preserve your traditions. Dance your dances and sing your songs. That’s wonderful. But what needs to end is the defacto segregation of the Indian reservations, because they do nothing but encourage Indians to stay away from non-reservation communities where they could undoubtedly be more successful.
    After all, that’s how a free economy works. People go where the jobs are. A big problem is that there aren’t jobs on the reservations, so your people live in poverty.
    Rob on May 7, 2007 at 10:23 pm

    Rob, how warped are you? How can you generalize like that? Who’s to say that our people haven’t left this reservation to get jobs or make a better life for themselves? It happens all of the time! Most of my own family, brothers and sisters do not live here. They live in other communities, contribute what they can to those other communities, and do what they can to help others as much as they can. Since when did you have the market on compassion. And to claim that you have the “right” to arbitrarily choose to destroy the integrity of an entire reservation by your inarticulate and flipant article is just plain ludicrous!

    So, your contention is that “our” people live in poverty because they choose to? That’s stupid, and you know it. God, you really need help!

  • andy l

    The first thing of value I would offer is that you loose the attitude. As far as I can tell, no one appointed you tribal spokesperson, representative, or arbiter of what is and is not valuable. Get over yourself. Your attitude is at the very heart of the problem.

    Why the slam to Xene, Bat? And where has your attitude been of late? Explain that! And, why does Xene need to be appointed spokesperson, representative or arbiter. New Rules? Wow, I’m impressed. Also, Xene’s opinion, as are all other opinions on this site, has value. Or, is it less, because you say so. You’re the one that needs to get over yourself. You are merely generalizing to deflect from your own ability to properly and truly grasp the real issue at hand, something we’ve hashed and rehashed and rehashed.

    Admit it Bat, you’re part of the problem here. Your lack of understanding of the real issues affecting Tribal populations in this country have left you in a state that even you cannot explain.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Leroy – Good Lord…Let’s try this one last time. ‘As a whole’ consists of ‘All’. (WHEN you graduate, you’ll understand synonyms- hang in there)

    Thanks for the insult. That seems to be your main forte around here. Anyways, look it up before you get all jumpin’ ugly on me. The definition:

    All parts or aspects considered; altogether: disliked the acting but enjoyed the play as a whole.

    Look at that example. Btw, it’s an idiom. A synonym is something else entirely. Maybe you need to go back to school and learn the difference.

    The Reservations consist- well, I’m gonna assume you get it, & just refuse to admit it, as I have faith that no-one who can read could be that challenged.

    Refuse to admit what? You still don’t get it. You can’t shake the idea that the reservations equal the people, which just isn’t so. You can’t seem to get the idea that the reservation is a system. It is you who refuses to admit some things.

    You want to be the animator- you practically beg for the spotlight.

    So much for talking with you. Do you tell this to others who are silly enough to engage in conversation with you? I wonder.

    Your ignorance prevents you from drawing parallels between aspects of poverty on the Rez and off. In your community, in mine. In the real world, & in an article. Dysfunction? Have you seen the crime rates by state? By city? Do a search on your own community & state, and tell me what you find.

    I find that the reservations have much higher rates of poverty. So what’s your point again? What was that about “ignorance”?

    One parent households and welfare exist all over America;

    No kidding.

    …apparently it is only significant to you on Indian Land.

    That’s not true.

    You search for specifics in an overall statement to you, & yet spend your time conjuring up ironic comments about anyone else who does the same concerning the article.

    I’m not even sure what you’re saying here. Could you clarify please? Bonus if you can do it without the extraneous insults.

    I’ll let you deny your bigotry, again, and continue to dig yourself deeper and deeper- it’s fun to watch. Your posts remind me of those commercials where the guys are talking sports out of their-”"”
    You really do need help. Contradictory. What a- nevermind.

    You sure do like to talk tough. Too bad it’s blatantly obvious that your insults and libel are little more than cover for your inability to understand simple concepts.

  • andy l

    You have a pretty substantial credibility problem to begin with. Try not to make it any worse!
    Bat One on May 7, 2007 at 10:35 pm

    And, I suppose your credibility is pristine! I don’t think so. You are one of the main problems here. You espouse credibility and counter free thought everytime you touch a keyboard. I never once, in my entire life called a women a welfare whore, especially an Indian women. Have you?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    We have become a nation of victims, where everyone is leapfrogging over each other, competing for the status of victim, where most people define themselves as some sort of survivor.

    We live in a culture where more and more people are claiming their own holocaust.

    Charles Sykes, author of the widely acclaimed A Nation of Victims (1992), points out that if you add up all the groups that consider themselves to be victims or oppressed, their number adds up to almost 400 percent of the population.

    Exploring the psychology or the dynamic of victimhood has been suppressed and censored because it has been equated with “victim blaming”.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Reeeaaaal slow for ya, lik: What was the title of Rob’s article? Mmmkay, now what was the very first impression you got from the title? (Be honest, now)

    Hi, Mr. Condescending Jackal. The first impression I got from the title was that the reservation system is in appalling state.

    In other words: exactly what it says.

    Mmmmkay, now in reading the article, wasn’t it easy to assume that all Reservations, all people on the Reservations…

    Thanks for admitting that you were ASSUMING.

    Conversation over. You’ll just assume your way through everything else and continue to ignore the points that were made. It makes little sense to go on if you’re just going to assume instead of reading what is written.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    Nicely done, Lik-it’ll be a while before he attempts to refute that one!

  • http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

    I know I’m being pedantic, but if Jabberwocky ‘could care less’ then surely he does care somewhat. Before you all point out that it’s popular expression on the other side of the pond, I do know.

  • Leroy

    Reeeaaaal slow for ya, lik: What was the title of Rob’s article? Mmmkay, now what was the very first impression you got from the title? (Be honest, now) Mmmmkay, now in reading the article, wasn’t it easy to assume that all Reservations, all people on the Reservations, are in some nature equivelent to statements such as:
    ‘And the people living in these homes were as disappointing as the homes themselves’.
    Denying so would be for you, at this point (based on your posts) desperate & “blatantly obvious that your insults and libel are little more than cover for your inability to understand simple concepts”.
    Now, in reading your posts, one can see your intake of the article; your mindset makes it easy to see the ‘opinion’ you hold of the Native American society: just do away with it, and all will be well. Call your congressman, or the BIA. Tell them what you tell us in disagreement with you. Let them know that in your opinion(s), life would be better for the Indian if what is left of his lands (which, as his Traditional Lands, is also his Culture, his existance) is taken, & he joins the rest of unstable society. Tell them that the greater focus should be upon any aspect of poverty, crime, & welfare that may exist within Reservation lines, and not on that of greater America. Single it out for them, lik (or Rob, for that matter) See how far it gets ya.
    The assumptions you have, and continue to make, are much bigger than what you actually know. Kinda like:
    ‘Probably because they don’t know any better. They were likely raised in housing projects by their parents, who in turn were probably raised in housing projects themselves’.

    But no! This can’t be such for Likwidshoe- he has so much insight (& google & firefox).

    Bottom line is when one only recognizes & argues the struggles of another society (in this case, another Race is said society) and draws no parallels between the same struggles evident in his community, he is, whether he accepts it or not, a bigot. Poverty is poverty, crime is crime. Neither know race, but it’s evident that you do.
    (In disagreeing with you again, & since you seem to be drawn to my posts, I’ll await your insulting reply)

    I don’t know what to tell ya, man- you make yourself look the way you look.

  • Jabberwocky

    Leroy, you are good. Lik is a TROLL! I can’t stop giggling.

  • Leroy

    And there it is, like clockwork…

    -It makes little sense to go on if you’re just going to assume instead of reading what is written.

    Precisely what I’ve been telling you…

    -The first impression I got from the title was that the reservation system is in appalling state.

    In other words: exactly what it says.

    The title said NOTHING of the system; you assumed.

    -Thanks for admitting that you were ASSUMING.

    Please tell me I don’t need to spell out the syntax of the paragraph which has brought you to this enlightened comment.
    Like you repeatedly tell everyone else, read for a change.

    See what you did there? You tried to deny your faults and push them on someone else, again.
    See what I did there? I giggled when you did it.
    You just seem desperate, now.

    -Conversation over.

    Really?
    We’ll see. You seem to be one of those ‘last-word’ kind of fools.

  • andy l

    Isn’t that counterproductive, to say the least? Are our goals in this not similar?
    Rob on May 7, 2007 at 09:40 pm

    Yes, Rob, our goals may be the same, but yours, by publishing the article, were counterproductive. The article did not give solutions. It did not articulate any opinion from tribal members such as myself. It espoused an agenda that ultimately hurt our whole tribe. I just don’t get why no one can see that!

    Look in my past posts. I talk about efforts made by tribal members, against all odds I might add, to improve living situations on our rez, your article set our tribe back many years.

    The Dakota Beacon is widely distributed, is it not? How many people in the surrounding communities of Rolette, Rolla, Bottineau,Dunseith and St. John actually saw the article? Not one of them raised their voice in protest. It wasn’t until “your Indians” got hold of the article that questions were raised, angrily at best.

    You know what would be an excellent thread? Why there is no response from the outside community to your article. What about Ed Schaeffer? He’s a contributor to the Dakota Beacon. Does he agree with what you stated in the article. He must, because there was no outcry from his camp concerning the recommendations you made. Let me assure you, Rob, the ramifications of your article are far reaching, more so that just in this blog of yours.

    Look around, realize what you have done. Youve attacked an entire community! Remember, we at Turtle Mountains are an integral part of North Dakota, always have been and always will be. Our tribe has been here a long time. Longer than the state! Why attack us? What is your agenda? Can you explain, without any interuption from your cohorts? Better yet, if you want to correspond with me by email, feel free.

  • Jabberwocky

    Hey Rob,

    Did you have any influence on Wal-marts decision to not build on the TM Reservation? I just came across your correspondence with Marshal at

    http://www.blogwriteforceos.com/blogwrite/files/wal-mart.pdf

    How is the Home of Economy surviving against a big corperation like Wal-mart?

  • andy l

    Nicely done, Lik-it’ll be a while before he attempts to refute that one!
    Joel on May 28, 2007 at 03:19 am

    Nicely done? Where?

  • andy l

    We’ve got multiple members of the tribes confirming Rob’s story was true. Heck even people that didn’t like the story admit it’s true.
    The Whistler on May 28, 2007 at 08:26 pm

    Whistler, you’ve got many members saying Rob’s story is fabrication. True?

  • Xene

    Sparkle,

    Our people take care of each other…we always have. It is not uncommon for families to come to their relatives home when in need.

    For me, living on the reservation is a privilege.
    It is where my heart is. It is where my son and father and grandmother and so on is buried.

    It is where my mother lives and she is all dear to my heart.

    When you hurt one you hurt all.

    It is my home.

    Again, the government, justice system, schools, police and every faction that the United States Government is in fact implemented on The Turtle Mountain Reservations. The are all Tribal Members who have educated themselves to run our own Government.

    You have no political standing in our communities.

  • 2Hotel9

    Oh, yes. Pictures are coming. Photographic evidence. Visual aids. Confirmation of all you deny. Night, night.

  • Xene

    Terminally ill,

    You do that.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    We’ve got multiple members of the tribes confirming Rob’s story was true. Heck even people that didn’t like the story admit it’s true.

  • Leroy

    -What I wrote was entirely accurate.

    Concerning maybe the few places you claim were so hellish. But your article is titled: The Apalling State of our Indian Reservations.

    -If it makes you mad, why not get mad at the people who caused it rather than the person pointing it out?

    Perhaps because you ‘pointed it out’ while completely ignoring the crime, poverty, ect. off the Reservation.

    -I simply mystified as to why you think the idea that there’s crime and poverty outside of the reservation, we shouldn’t be concerned with that which is on the reservation.

    Then be ‘concerned’ about it all, everywhere, rather than just certain places. Numbers are numbers, but crime is crime, poverty is poverty, & welfare goes to parts of ALL American communities, regardless. The article was one-sided, & you pointed fingers, & you know it.
    A lopsided ANYTHING fixes NOTHING.

    -When are you going to quit deflecting and talk about how we solve that?

    Strange how you still attempt to maintain this attitude. Your solutions consisted of what? Tell us again…

  • Xene

    Man there is some retarded asses on this blog..

    Come on Terminal do you have more crybaby gotta pay taxes like the rest of the world bullshit you offer you cheap son-of-bitch!

  • andy l

    Open your eyes for a moment. There is no other country in the world where people from elsewhere stand in line, or worse, to get in. No other nation has our immigration problem. Know why? Because despite the occasional racists and the few odd bigots, most people don’t much care what you are or what you look like so much as who you are and what you accomplish. There is still more opportunity here for those who are willing to take advantage of it and work to build success, than anywhere else in the world.
    You talk a pretty good fight… despite the sizable chip on your shoulder. What have YOU done to improve the situation? Its YOUR community, isn’t it? YOUR people? What are YOU doing to make things better?
    Bat One on May 7, 2007 at 09:53 pm

    Bat, you just don’t understand. Not our Indian viewpoint, it’s apparent now that you will never agree with any of us, but the reality of the entire situation. You can never really say with absolute certainty that what you are saying is valid because you do not understand our reality over here on the rez.

    First of all, to directly address your contention that we should be standing in line like the rest to attain our piece of the pie from the greater society, how do you even know that is what we want? First of all, it is very condescending to assume that, and second of all, generalizing about Tribal peoples serves no purpose at all.

    Our people have fought acculturation and assimilation for years now. Our languages were beaten out of us. Did you know that during one period of time, in recent history, Indian children were forcefully taken away from Indian families and placed into adoption just for being poor? That’s our history. In Minnesota, for example, 25% of Indian babies under the age of one years old were taken away. Read the testimony leading up to the establishment of the Indian Child Welfare Act, if you dare! We’ve had a terrible history. More terrible than any one of you ever learned in school.

    Now, everyone who knows what’s best for the poor Indians comes forward espousing fabricated solutions? Well, believe me, your solution, put forward throughout this thread and throughout the other Indian threads is not a workable solution.

    As tribal members, who have given up a lot, care about our future a lot more that you think. But, one question. Do you even care? Or, is your hatred of the welfare state that all Indians apparently live in all that matters?

  • andy l

    You want your own “government?” Your own courts, schools, and tribal “commission” to deal with that run-away drug problem? Go for it!
    Just be sure to also come up with your own taxes to pay for it. Of course, with a 65% unemployment rate, that just might be a problem. But I’m sure if you ignore it long enough… or better yet, just swear at it… that problem will likely just fade away. Right?
    Bat One on May 7, 2007 at 08:22 pm

    Bat! Where did you get all that valuable information from! You are so well informed about the situation on our reservation! Wow, you would have made the BIA proud a few years back as a “Boss Farmer” or “Indian Agent”. Forced Fee Patent issues on your part would have been a snap, let alone any refusals necessary to keep the poor Indians in line and dependent on Governement for their very survival!

    You imply that all Indians think the same and that we all have the same agenda. Not so. And, how do you know, even in a general way, that Xene even thinks that way.

    Talk about fighting for the wrong causes! Geez, how can you even think the way you are thinking, and even admit it?

  • Bat One

    Are you offering something of value…besides words?

    Xene,

    Apparently, you have some sort of appreciation of the value of words… otherwise you wouldn’t rely on them to convey your anger and frustration.

    Good! For you that’s a start. But them, what else is there but words?

    Rob uses words to describe a situation he witnesses which obviously moved and shamed him. You use words to browbeat and insult anyone whose opinions or thoughts you find objectionable. As Linda Ellerbee once said, “And so it goes.”

    The first thing of value I would offer is that you loose the attitude. As far as I can tell, no one appointed you tribal spokesperson, representative, or arbiter of what is and is not valuable. Get over yourself. Your attitude is at the very heart of the problem.

    Second, it seems to me, as it has to several others commenting on this thread and the other, that there is a direct correlation between the drug abuse problem and the unemployment problem. People who have nothing else of substance to be proud of, no accomplishment on which to build a sense of self worth, are far more likely to use and abuse drugs than those whose pride is justified and measurable by what they have accomplished in life.

    Open your eyes for a moment. There is no other country in the world where people from elsewhere stand in line, or worse, to get in. No other nation has our immigration problem. Know why? Because despite the occasional racists and the few odd bigots, most people don’t much care what you are or what you look like so much as who you are and what you accomplish. There is still more opportunity here for those who are willing to take advantage of it and work to build success, than anywhere else in the world.

    You talk a pretty good fight… despite the sizable chip on your shoulder. What have YOU done to improve the situation? Its YOUR community, isn’t it? YOUR people? What are YOU doing to make things better?

  • Jabberwocky

    Rob,

    Why are you responding to a question geared towards proof? Are you Rob, Mickey, Proof, The Whistler and all the rest of the rednecks on here the same person? If that’s the case…Happy Birthday to all of yourselves.

    You didn’t offend anyone. I certainly wasn’t offended.

  • Jabberwocky

    “The Appalling State of North Dakota”

    I’ve spent about 18 years shopping, vacationing, living, attending schools, and working off of the reservation. Some of the things that I saw was shocking.

    Rob please rephrase this:

    I simply mystified as to why you think the idea that there’s crime and poverty outside of the reservation, we shouldn’t be concerned with that which is on the reservation.

    I can’t make any sense of it, is it a sentence? Please stop deflecting.

  • andy l

    What?
    Troy_Pineri on May 7, 2007 at 08:26 pm

    Troy, a little off subject, but I’ve been wanting to say this since I’ve entered this sacred blog site, why the tongue in the avatar? Wow, cool or what? lol

  • andy l

    The DoJ Summary on the ongoing corruption situation there is quite the tale of woe. No wonder the Tribe members are pissed off.
    2Hotel9 on May 7, 2007 at 02:57 pm

    Yeah, Hot, I’m pissed off too. But, I have to live here. I’ve been key to exposing corruption on this reservation, and have suffered for it. I’ve been politically fired, my family has gone without. Many in my reservation community have never even thanked me for my involvement in investigations that have been called. I have suffered more than most, trying to clear things up around here.

    You may think its a conundrum, fighting against tribal corruption on one hand and defending the tribe’s personal integrity on the other, but it’s not. The reason this is happening is because I strongly love my tribe and would defend it at all costs. I also love my tribe enough to fight tribal corruption. Can you understand that?

    You know, if any of you guys even understood a small part of what life is like on a reservation like our own Turtle Mountains, you wouldn’t be attacking our tribal members like you’ve been doing. My anger is reaction to what’s been said to the powerless by those of you on this site who are able to sit behind your blog names, completely incognito and condemn people you don’t even know for lives they don’t have any control over.

    Get it?

  • Leroy

    In your article, you singled out those few, and created a bias from it. Crime & drugs are a growing problem everywhere, man, including Minot. I am very familiar with the ‘Magic City’, and have seen ghetto areas there, as well. A past career of mine aimed to dismantle the sources of Meth manufacture & distribution in ND, and Minot was quite the target.

    –My solution consists of ending the handouts and making people on the reservation responsible for themselves again. And once they’re responsible for themselves and self-sufficient again the pride will come back.

    In all my years living on the Rez, I don’t recall any of these ‘handouts’ you speak so strongly of. And now you’re going as far as saying we have no pride? You are quite the assumer, Rob.

    –I’m also all for encouraging them to leave the reservations, which are mostly backwater communities that will never achieve much economic success, and go to where the jobs are.

    Still assuming…there are many Reservations that are extremely well off; their success has long been achieved. You are blatantly attempting to create a horrific image & incite an illicit response out of what you claim to have seen.
    And this ‘awful’ condition…at the places you visited, or on every single Reservation? Even those who earn a living-who work very hard to do so? Gee, things must have really changed at TM in the one week since I’ve been home to visit.
    Again, you are just pointing fingers, and mass-assuming. True journalism is based upon all sides of the subject- a need for attention & dispute is based on only one side.

    You give me a break.

  • Jabberwocky

    “The Appalling State of North Dakota”

    I’ve spent about 18 years shopping, vacationing, living, attending schools, and working off of the reservation…

    Decades after the “Indian Problem” movement started, second-class citizenship, poverty and injustice are stark realities for Native Americans. After Rob Port’s Blog, no one with any remote contact with reality could deny that both race and class are the axes upon which North Dakotan society rotates. North Dakota’s Native population is blamed for everything from child abuse and neglect to unemployment.
    The question arises, though: Does the oppression of one group of minorities lead to the enrichment or benefit of another?
    On the surface, this may seem like common sense. A random look at any set of statistics shows that, on average, white people have more accumulated wealth, make more money, have more access to college, go to better schools and even have a longer lifespan. What all of these things point to is that we live in a deeply racist society, in which some people clearly do benefit. Rob Port is clearly benefitting through publicity.

  • andy l

    What?
    Troy_Pineri on May 7, 2007 at 08:26 pm

    Troy, a little off subject, but I’ve been wanting to say this since I’ve entered this sacred blog site, why the tongue in the avatar? Wow, cool or what? lol

  • Xene

    Troy

    LIK this!

  • Jabberwocky

    “The Appalling State of North Dakota”

    I’ve spent about 18 years shopping, vacationing, living, attending schools, and working off of the reservation. Some of the things that I saw was shocking.

    In North Dakota off of the reservation, I’ve encountered a “white” mother with 2 young “white” daughters she was over 200lbs, divorced, a nudist, and living with a “black man”. This lady walked around in her house nude all day long and didn’t care who was at her house.

    I’ve seen abandoned cars, “white” people drugging, and partying around at all hours of the night. I saw “white” people digging in the trash cans. I saw “white” people taking discarded furniture and car parts from the curb. In a grocery store a saw a young “white” mother slapping up her child for wanting some candy.
    I saw some “white” teenagers steal 2 Mountain bikes off of the back of someones vehicle. I saw different “white” guys drunk and fighting in front of different bars around the state on several occasions. I met a mormon in his fifties that had two wives. He claimed he was divorced. His second wife was in her twenties. They had 2 houses, recieved public assistance, and had a total of 11 kids. I saw homeless people walking around in the streets. I saw “white” people with signs saying they will work for food. I met “white” people peddling on the streets. I saw “white” prostitutes” and exotic dancers. I saw lakeside parks littered with beer cans and drug parafanalia. I’ve encountered filthy public restrooms(in various places) with feces smeared around. Walmarts bathroom was the worst. I’ve been to fast food places that are filthy and disgusting, with greasy looking “white” people behind the counters. I’ve stopped at rest areas that are in shambles with no plumbing or toilet paper. I’ve encountered numerous so-called upper class “white” people that have good jobs and have kids that are unmarried, living on welfare, jobless, abused by their spouses, giving their children up for adoption, having abortions, alcoholics, druggies, and/or incarcerated. I saw a farmer with an anhydrous amonia tank attached to the back of his truck, walk out of a bar intoxicated and drive away. I’ve encountered the “white nationalist social party”, heck they even have thier own “white power hour” on TV. I’ve seen grafitti plastered on apartment buildings with racial slurs. In Fargo, I saw one “black” lady. All the other people I saw were “white”. I was shocked to see a “black” person.

    I went from door to door selling girl scout cookies and was surprised at the large number of people that were home. Some of the conditions that these peoples houses were in was disgusting, some of the smells I encountered repulsed me. On the outside it seemed that they were “well-to-do”. Shouldn’t they have been working some where? The list goes on and on.

  • Troy_Pineri

    Troy
    LIK this!

    What?

  • Bat One

    There is much to be said for a certain, modest amount of pride (pun intended). The need to be proud of what and who we are is a fairly common human trait.

    But with a drug abuse problem which has been variously described as rampant and epidemic, and an unemployment rate (65%) surpassed only by Zimbabwe (80%) and the pacific island nation (?) of Nauru (90%), its difficult to imagine that there is anything more than silly bravado to back up all the xenophobic arrogance that’s been spewing out of the Turtle Mountain area over the past week or so.

    Xene,

    You can throw all the foul-mouthed, immature insults around you care to, but your childish tantrums don’t impress anybody but you. And they certainly haven’t done anything to improve the situation on the reservation, have they? The people whose concern might be turned into some further attention from congressmen from Alabama, or Texas, or Georgia or Pennsylvania, are the very same people you’ve gone out of your way to piss off here.

    You want your own “government?” Your own courts, schools, and tribal “commission” to deal with that run-away drug problem? Go for it!

    Just be sure to also come up with your own taxes to pay for it. Of course, with a 65% unemployment rate, that just might be a problem. But I’m sure if you ignore it long enough… or better yet, just swear at it… that problem will likely just fade away. Right?

  • Melissa

    Lazywolf, I am an enrolled member of the Turtle Mountain. Do you know what, why, when of anything that happen to us? You don’t. Like so many others. There is a reason for our poverty on the reservations. I will not go into detail because I don’t to. Simple enough. I should not have to defend my people because of the likes of you or anyone else, but I will defend my children. Our ancestors were made to live like white men for a while. After they were free to continue their lives, they still were abused by the white man because if it. Our ancestors were scared to teach their children the Indian way. They were scared for their lives and the lives of their children. The white men came into there homes, and decided to send (take) some of the native children away from the parents and send them to boarding schools. The native children were looked upon as aliens. The white men were, and some are still so ignorant about native people. The native people were abused and not allowed to be themselves. You should try to imagine someone taking away your identity. It is very scary. Is it not? We are simply taking back our identity, and our dignity. It is a slow process, but I guarantee you, and anyone in doubt on this blog it will happen. Rob’s horrible tale about the way people live on our reservation was very unfair and cruel to us. I am one of many who will help our people hold their heads up with pride, and dignity again.

  • redwolf

    its time to abolish the reservation system and all these special rights we no longer owe the indians ANYTHING!

  • Jabberwocky

    Can’t be? Did I offend someone? Port , you and your family of rednecks should be ashamed of yourselves. Carol, you need to sit down and have a chat with your children and in-laws. Please scold away. Afterall, it’s the mother that leads by example…

  • hb

    Rob,
    First I’d like to say that I was born in Belcourt, but raised off the reservation, but have been their many times.

    Second, there is nothing wrong with going to an area and blogging about what you see.

    Third, I have a masters in economics

    However, thats where it ends. Your ideas on how to end poverty are uneducated and based on many assumptions at best. Unless you can tell me you are a developmental economists, I really don’t think you should be offering advice. By doing so, not only is it uneducated, but has offended many people by the assumptions you have made about how to end poverty. I am currently studying the economic development on the turtle mountain reservation, and hopefully will soon be able to offer a better solution to this problem. I have just read the Path to Prosperity, I dont’t believe anywhere in there suggested ending welfare?

  • Pam Moreno

    People come here from other countries and have the opportunity to succeed at WHAT THEY WANT to do. I don’t mean to belittle them or any other well intentioned and industrious person who succeeds, but look at the inequities in this country.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

    OK… who is the lamebrain to get this thread started up again?????
    :shut:

  • Xene

    Bat,

    Are you offering something of value…besides words?

    Is there anything you can do personally?

    Do you have the power to stand alone and make a difference?

    If you do then it is you that is being modest!

    I have not heard one of you come up with a solution that has anything of value.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Your ideas on how to end poverty are uneducated and based on many assumptions at best.

    “Your ideas” were personal responsibility and hard work. Two things that happen to bring prosperity to everybody else who tries it. They are “assumptions” that have repeatedly proven to bear fruit.

    But who cares. You guys won’t learn. Wallow in your self created poverty. You deserve it. You’ve earned it.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    Our economy isn’t zero-sum. — Rob

    Why do the foolish always parrot this? Who has claimed otherwise?

    What does it have to do with the situation of those living on the reservation? Will the average wealth of those on the reservations be less than those not on reservations for the foreseeable future? You criticise them for this, but you seem to have no solutions.

    Just because Bill Gates is rich doesn’t mean there’s less money available for you. — Rob

    That statement is pointless too. At any given instant, the size of an economy is finite. Comparing what Bill Gates has now (and I hope you don’t think that he is “entirely self-made”), and what I may or may not make in the future is relevant how?

    Also, the problem with opinion pieces from blogs is they tend to be low on evidence and formalism, and high in opinion. Where has he defined “entirely self-made”? Obviously this is impossible if taken literally.

  • Xene

    Terminal,

    Are you terminally ignorant as well as illiterate.

    It is none of your business!

    Go sit in the Hooskow if you don’t want to pay your taxes…I don’t give a shit what you think!

    If you don’t like it..leave the country!

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    Ooh, that means that there are atleast 299 million Americans not reading your forum.

    I’ll still be the guy with a million or so monthly readers — Rob

    And I’ll still be fitter, faster, smarter, and better looking.

    Damn, still 43 posts to go to get to 1000 .

    I could do them all by myself…

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    We have as close to equal opportunity as is currently possible in this country.

    The only way to erase inequality is to keep people from succeeding so they don’t get ahead of the slackers.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    Rob, I abused you for being a ‘tard because you fail to understand simple economic ideas.

    In a typical state-capitalist economy, if one group of people have very, very little capital, and another group has a lot, the wealth of the wealthy group will tend to grow faster than the group without any capital[1].

    It tends to take something like wealth redistribution to prevent this from happening.

    For the reservation dwellers to improve their wealth (on average), it’ll take more effort than the average American expends. Since the average working hours have been trending upwards anyway, for reservation dwellers to match the average wealth of Americans would take a heroic effort.

    Assuming that the average level of education is lower on reservations, capital is extremely scarce, and overcrowding is a problem, the options for economic development on the reservation itself could be less than the American average too.

    But living on the reservation seems to be a way of life for many of the inhabitants, and moving out of the reservations, into the cities, is going to be relatively expensive.

    What are your suggestions for economic development on the reservations? Or are you content to simply criticise?

    [1] ABCs of Political Economy, Robin Hahnel, Chapter 3: A Simple Corn Model, pp.45 .

    P.S. Apparently Hitler was so impressed with the American reservation system, he used some of the ideas for the Jewish ghettos.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    If you look at the richest Americans you’ll see that a good portion of them started off with nothing. — The Whistler

    You cover your ass by saying a `good portion’. You could consider good to be 3%, for example.

    All stealing from the wealthy results in less capital for growth — The Whitler

    Even if true, growth for who though? Read `A Simple Corn Model’ chapter from the book I cited.

    For example, someone who works, and has significant investments, will grow wealthier far faster than someone who simply works (on average).

    You clichés aren’t supported by evidence. The most successful era for economic growth in modern American history is post New Deal, for the following 25 years. Your rhetoric cannot explain this.

  • robert108

    …but look at the inequities in this country.

    Inequality of outcome is also known as incentive. It’s what makes our country great.
    All attempts to equalize outcome produce stagnation. If you want excellence, you have to have incentive to be excellent. Of course, lefties fear excellence.

  • RaeMarie70

    Instead, every taxpayer is punished.

    Then move to a country where you don’t have to pay taxes. :) Then you will not have to worry about whose getting your precious money.

  • RaeMarie70

    but you’re sure as hell pretending as if we have no right to talk about them.

    Talk all you want. But don’t expect us to sit by and let you say what you want without getting a response from us. You can say anything you like and I will do the same.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    You linked to a blog as evidence? And the term “entirely self-made” is a meaningless term when the criteria wasn’t given (since they obviously cannot be “entirely self-made”, who gave birth to them, and fed them when they were children?). And 400 people scamming their way to the top of a list is of help to the reservation inhabitants how? How many of these 400 were from a reservation?

    What about the OECD statistics that show that USA has the lowest economic mobility in the OECD?

    There was an “entirely self-made” millionaire from around where I used to live. His mother raised him, and they lived in a house provided by a government housing scheme. But it wasn’t a true rags to riches story because his old man was loaded, just to cheap to give his mother anything. But the kid sure got a nice bonus from ol’ money bags.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Then move to a country where you don’t have to pay taxes.

    In other words: just ignore the problem.

    Great solution there. How is it working out on the reservations?

  • Xene

    It is none of your business…You do not have my Tribes permission to post anything

    It is my business as long as the tribe is taking my tax dollars, and I don’t need your tribe’s permission to voice my opinion. I have all the authority I need in the 1st amendment.
    Rob on May 7, 2007 at 03:25 pm

    Hot pussy…

    Rob writes

    And the people living in these homes were as disappointing as the homes themselves. I met people who were drunk (or high or something) at noon, even as their children played in the road and on the twisted, sharp metal of abandoned cars. I saw a visibly pregnant mother smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer. I met a woman who was 29 years old and already a grandmother (to no fewer than three grandchildren) thanks to both her and her daughter’s young pregnancies. I met men and women, fathers and mothers, who had spent more of their lives in prison then out of prison. I met entire families whose only source of income seemed to be from stealing or selling drugs plus whatever they got from the government in terms of assistance.

    This is not pointing out problems…this a hurting dramatic description of a Tribal members, people that I love, it is meant to hurt people less fortunate then yourselves.

    Don’t play me, do what dogs do best, LIK ROBS ASSS WHILE YOUR AT IT!

  • Indigo

    It’s funny to listen to people argue:)

  • Xene

    likmyshoe,
    I told you to stop talking to our women like that! talk to me I’m 6 foot 4 and 280 lbs.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    RaeMarie70 said, When have I said that the problems don’t exist? You keep saying that but you have yet to show me where I deny.

    You’ve been mad for days because Rob pointed out the problems. Maybe you’re not pretending that these problems don’t exist, but you’re sure as hell pretending as if we have no right to talk about them.

    Xene said, likmyshoe,
    I told you to stop talking to our women like that! talk to me I’m 6 foot 4 and 280 lbs.

    Dude, calm down.

  • Xene

    Well ladies, we are almost up to 30,000 hits on this site. That would almost make up the entire tribal membership. That’s good….naanaagagatawendan jibwaa izhichigeyan! Think before you act!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    If that is what it takes to get you to stop whining about your taxes that you supposedly pay, maybe that option should be taken under serious consideration.

    You know what else would get me to “stop whining about” taxes? Ending the welfare state.

    You don’t know anything about reservations so stop pretending that you do.

    Oh,..I only know what the figures and facts tell me. You know…60+% unemployment, rampant gangs, drug problems. Are these incorrect?

    Stop pretending that these problems don’t exist.

  • Xene

    For me, Bull Shit doesn’t have to smell to know it’s BULLSHIT! I was raised in cattle country!
    Xene on May 7, 2007 at 09:44 am

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    lumpy: Speak for yourself! (And we know you do!)

  • 2Hotel9

    Here, x. You inspired me.

    My favorite part is all the faux indian supporters. They are all incensed over Rob, one of the genuinely good people I have encountered in the last 10-15 years, because he points out several major problems that are in plain, public view. And that their political advocates routinely parade before media and Congress.

    Their disingenuousity knows no bounds.
    2Hotel9 on April 28, 2007 at 01:38 pm

  • 2Hotel9

    x, we have all the “political standing” we wish, anywhere we wish. As do you, or any other citizen. It is when you place yourself outside the realm of citizen that you lose “political standing”. Any highschool level civics text should make that clear to you. Or anyone else.

  • Xene

    It is none of your business…You do not have my Tribes permission to post anything

    It is my business as long as the tribe is taking my tax dollars, and I don’t need your tribe’s permission to voice my opinion. I have all the authority I need in the 1st amendment.
    Rob on May 7, 2007 at 03:25 pm

    You abused the 1st Amendment when you blocked tribes from this site!

    And don’t try to deny this fact…I know you were here because I read your comments after the fact.

    Don’t play me Rob….like I said, BULLSHIT does’nt have to smell to know it for what it is, Bullshit!

    It is my civil right to face my accusers!

    If you don’t like tribes than leave!!!

  • docdave

    You are not and never will be honorable enough to post information regarding tribes.

    Surely you jest!! I was merely posting part of a Federal document which of course is in the public domain and can be read and quoted by anyone. If you had bothered to read it, you would have noted that it includes all North Dakotans. Anyway, if tribe members are helping distribute drugs to non-Indians as well as your their people, they have given up their right to hide behind rez walls and claim sovereignty.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    The “zero sum game” applies to dynamic behaviour, not static, dumbass. Do you understand what that means? If time were somehow stopped, and all the economic activity at that instant was summed, the grand total wouldn’t be infinite.

  • 2Hotel9

    x, we need not search for dirt, it is all about.

    Tell me? Do you think your Tribe’s problems would go away if everyone just pretended they do not exist? That you do not exist? Is that what you really want? Because that is what you are advocating.

  • Xene

    x, pasting comments you already made earlier in the thread does not cast you in a favorable light. As for “you do not have my tribes permission”, no one needs it. Your house’s troubles are quite public and open. Don’t you know how to search for information using the internet?

    You know what I have to say to you…..I could care Less! It’s little bother to me.

  • docdave

    Hey, there are no problems on the Indian rezs at all. Drug distribution and consumption is just a minor aberration. This is obvious from this [email=http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs1/1052/overview.htm]DOJ North Dakota Drug report[/email]

    Mexican criminal groups use Native Americans and Indian reservations to facilitate drug distribution in North Dakota. The North Dakota Indian Affairs Commission reports that the unemployment rate on Indian reservations averages 55 percent. This high rate of unemployment may result in a large number of individuals who are willing to engage in criminal activities to support themselves. Mexican criminal groups often employ members of the Native American population to distribute drugs on and off the reservations. The groups routinely use private vehicles to transport drugs into reservations from Mexico and California. Native American independent dealers distribute the drugs to Caucasian abusers in cities such as Bismarck, Fargo, and Grand Forks. Caucasian abusers also go to reservations to purchase marijuana and methamphetamine. Drug investigations, which are complicated by jurisdictional issues regarding the sovereignty of Indian reservations, require a cooperative effort among tribal, federal, state, and local law enforcement officials. The remote locations of these reservations provide potential sites for methamphetamine production, although to date there have been few reports of this activity occurring on North Dakota reservations.

    Drug abuse remains a concern in North Dakota. The 1999 Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS) indicates that annual treatment admissions to publicly funded facilities for alcohol and/ or drug abuse in North Dakota increased overall from 2,409 in 1994 to 2,659 in 1998 and then decreased to 2,108 in 1999. The same report notes that males composed 72.6 percent of North Dakota residents 18 years and older admitted for treatment for all drugs (alcohol included) in 1999. Individuals aged 21 to 25 and those aged 31 to 35 accounted for the highest percentage of treatment admissions to publicly funded facilities–14.0 and 13.6 percent, respectively. In 1999, of the total number of individuals in treatment for alcohol and/or drug abuse in North Dakota (2,108), 24.8 percent (523) were American Indian/Alaska Native, a disproportionate percentage.

    The above stats includes all of North Dakota. Read the whole report.

  • Xene

    Dock Dave,

    That information is already known by tribes…. We have our own task force working on it..Your posting it does not help a situation. Again you have no political standing with in tribal jurisdiction. If you really cared you would be doing morning raids with the rest of the tribal members I know.

    You are not and never will be honorable enough to post information regarding tribes. Your search for dirt only harms tribes further!

  • andy l

    There have been a few posts on here from people in the tribe up there very supportive of my column, so obviously not everyone in the tribe is with you on this.
    Xene, I will never retract the article because it was the truth.
    Rob on May 7, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    Now, Xene can’t have an opinion? And those tribal members (self-hating, I might add) who agree with you for their own personal reasons are ok to espouse theirs? OK, now I get you. finally!

    Rob, you need to retract the article because it is not truthful. It does not reflect reality on this reservation, and you know it.

    The Dakota Beacon should be ashamed for publishing such inarticulate rubbish.

  • 2Hotel9

    x, pasting comments you already made earlier in the thread does not cast you in a favorable light. As for “you do not have my tribes permission”, no one needs it. Your house’s troubles are quite public and open. Don’t you know how to search for information using the internet?

    Hell. I have not had to use any search term more specific than “Turtle Mountain Reservation, Corruption on”. And I was inundated with information. And a sweep of the various Tribal publications from around the country turned up quite a few references.

    It is an information age, you should learn to track and hunt in it.

  • Xene

    The more you screech, the more I dig. I have about 600 pages of text linked so far. The DoJ Summary on the ongoing corruption situation there is quite the tale of woe. No wonder the Tribe members are pissed off.
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    It’s like i said you are not honorable enough to use any information you have gathered to do anything but use that same information to further harm tribes.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I spend a bit of time on a reservation. There are a lot of honkies working at this casino even though there seems to be plenty of unemployed tribe members within five miles of their facility.

  • Andy L

    look at the thinnly veiled threats andy keeps making.
    2Hotel9 on May 7, 2007 at 04:00 am

    Braveheart, do you see any threats? Veiled or open? This guy, so very concerned about our welfare as a people is from Pennsylvania. He has no idea.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Andy L said, You got that right! Finally. You’ve admitted to being a racist! Good job, boy.

    I’d have to care about skin color in the first place for me to even be a racist. Again, you’re the one who keeps on bringing skin color into the discussion. There’s no reason for it.

    The projection is getting to be disgusting. How about you cool it?

  • Norskhammer

    Good lord Faith. Talk about racist! The guy is supportive of your people and states that there needs to be something done about it. You sound familiarly bitter, as this is the response from many Native Americans. Let’s say there were no casinos and the unemployment rate for Native Americans jumped to 94%, would you still believe there was no problem? He is merely addressing the need for a better way to do business. It is quite appartent that what we are doing or what you are doing (generally) is not working.

  • Xene

    Hot Pussy,

    The divide and conquer theory “blow it!”

  • andy l

    I mean, Indians don’t own North Dakota now. Instead they’re segregated onto isolated reservations. Personally, I’d like to see that segregation end so that Indians can join the rest of their fellow North Dakotans as one people.
    You know, unity. Equality. What’s so wrong about those things?
    Rob on May 7, 2007 at 01:26 pm

    That’s exactly what we’ve been talking about all along, Rob! Anti-Indian agenda. Read previous statements about the subject.

    Instead of realizing history, treaties, federal-tribal relationship, state-tribal relationship, etc., people would rather hear the simple explanation, the one you are giving.

    You are so wrong. Think about it.

  • 2Hotel9

    In all the research I have been doing on Turtle Mountain Reservation I have found one phrase popping up repeatedly, almost verbatim.

    In the final analysis, whatever the many critically necessary in-between
    steps and gains, vital and living health for the Native tribal nations –
    and for all of Humanity — can only be fully achieved in the context of
    genuine socialist democracy.

    That, andy, is your ideology. That is what makes you the worst enemy of the Chippewa.

    Should I really start posting entire sections of write ups of what has been going on since the ’80s? Is that really where you want to go with this?

    The more you screech, the more I dig. I have about 600 pages of text linked so far. The DoJ Summary on the ongoing corruption situation there is quite the tale of woe. No wonder the Tribe members are pissed off.

  • andy l

    Obviously hate speech of the worst kind.

    For once, Hot, I agree with you 100%. Rob’s speech was hate, worst kind too!

  • Andy L

    Also, in order to make a change, there has to be a total clean sweep. Which means, clean out the whole tribe–clean out the people that have been in power. Isn’t it too bad that the United States Government through the FBI need to come to this tribe to find the people that have been stealing from this tribe and bring them to justice? I thought that we were a sovereign tribe and could take care of our own issues. It will never happen this way because, what you call progress, I call a disgrace. There are some people in power on this tribe that will cover for each other no matter what. There are other people that have stolen from the tribe in the past that will never be brought to justice. Too bad for this tribe. If we indeed see “true” progress, then we need to bring them to justice and recover the “people’s” money. However, they continue to walk scott-free. What a shame. It is this type of environment that holds up this tribe’s “progress.”
    braveheart on May 6, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    Braveheart, a lot of what you say is true. I just can’t, for the world of me, figure out why you’ve been attacking me. When you talk about the FBI, program theft, outright greed, etc., who do you think gets the FBI to come in? I’ve been directly involved in bringing in two investigations at the housing authority. There was a lot of money missing, I don’t want to give figures on this thread. I was POLITICALLY FIRED on both of those occassions. I have tried on numerous occassions to bring out the truth. There were many times when I felt very alone. My family has gone without, numereous times, because of my conviction to create change, expose corruption, reveal nepotism.

    You call yourself Braveheart, and yet you come on this god-awful thread and attack me?

    Again don’t miss understand me. I don’t know you that well, but from what i see, i don’t like nor would anyother true indian.
    braveheart on May 5, 2007 at 07:07 pm

    If you don’t like me, that’s your problem. But, I’ll tell you right now – I AM A TRUE INDIAN!, that’s something you will never change, and can never deny me, no matter how much underserved hatred you have for me.

    Here is one of Rob’s responses to an Indian women named Faith:

    I’m sure after everything is taken away they’ll still sit on their asses. Why do you keep saying that? You seen of how they live and what they recieve but you don’t actually know them. Your stereotyping them. I’m sure just die or what?
    Faith on April 27, 2007 at 12:59 pm

    Maybe they will die. That’s a cruel reality. But why should we help those who won’t help themselves?

    Rob on April 27, 2007 at 01:20 pm

    How can you defend or even have discussion with someone that suggests INDIAN PEOPLE SHOULD DIE, if they can’t do for themselves? Braveheart, you claim to be an Indian, if you really are, in your heart, I respect that. But, don’t attack me for being who I am, and, ask yourself, or someone who might know what really happened at the Turtle Mountain Housing Authority, what did Andy really do to get fired?

    Did I do the honorable thing? How many other people on this reservation have stuck there necks out for the right reasons? Can you find any others?

    I’ll tell you right now, Braveheart, I am very proud of what I have done. I’ve been fired for standing up for what is right, and for fighting corruption. Don’t condemn me for that!!!!!

  • Xene

    Get along little Doggy!

  • Xene

    I must matter something to you if you bothered to look up my first post! You, however, don’t matter enough to me for me to find the first time you started spewing insults, racial slurs and false accusations! Say goodnight, Gracie!
    Proof on May 5, 2007 at 05:49 pm

    I knew they had blocked me and Andy L. What i didn’t know is they had blocked all of Belcourt and the surrounding area!

    I thought to myself good, because these people are nothing compared to where I want the direction of this world to go.

    And then I saw what Tribal members were writing about themselves. And MY HEART is never wrong…Rob Port and his Hate Group will only use it against us to promote himself as a literary. An North Dakota God…Who can cure the blind of North Dakota. I know in my Heart he will use anything and everything we divulge to him for his own selfish purpose. His intentions are purely evil.

    Those that agree with him are in the same canoe.

    It would be in Indian Countries best interest to watch this enemy close!
    Xene on May 6, 2007 at 09:53 pm

  • Xene

    No Rob posted about the poor living conditions on the reservation and wished better for the people living like that.

    That’s not a bad thing.

    Little Doggy,

    Rob had no wishes at all about the poor living conditions getting better. He uses that excuse because he thinks he is dealing with a less than intelligent culture.
    Rob writes….
    Probably because they don’t know any better. They were likely raised in housing projects by their parents, who in turn were probably raised in housing projects themselves. The “welfare mentality” has become so ingrained in these people that most of them don’t have any drive to reach for something better. It’s not that they’re incapable of education and holding down a steady job, it’s just that they don’t have to do those things to eek by in life. Like their parents before them, they leave selfish lives full of self-gratification and little achievement while the government subsidizes them.

    Rob is promoting his God-like image in North Dakota!
    His standard is “Taking Back North Dakota”
    He had no business interviewing tribal members to find cruel observations to Publish in The Dakota Beacon.

    His intentions were purely evil! And self promoting.

  • Xene

    ou have blocked all of Turtle Mountains and the surrounding area.
    Fishtrap on May 6, 2007 at 08:21 pm

    Xene a.k.a.

  • braveheart

    Hey Andy, I am not personally attacking you. You are just to radical. I say to you again, and again–save that energy for the tribalk government. And, as far as this white man… He has no clue as to what my ancestors went through. He can wish that all indians die–but, why does he matter!? He is only one idiot in several. That is not the issue, the issue is about–CHANGE. WE NEED A WHOLE 100% CHANGE.

    The FBI indictments came from the United States Government. Which started from Richard Monette, the former tribal chairmen. Now I don’t know what you did, but if you had followed levels of protocal, you would of had your job. Thats what I mean, by people standing together and working to improve. Things would never get out of hand–greed, stealing and envy.

    Stay in your dream world of denial Rae.

  • Xene

    Little Doggy,

    Rob Port was here when this took place, go do what dogs do best!

  • Xene

    Hot Pussy,

    If you have nothing else to say….say nothing at all.
    Your accusations are hilarious!
    If you don’t have nothing to add but trash….than you know where to stick it!

  • 2Hotel9

    FKFL, andy, welcome to the internet. I was not able to get into SA until this morning, about 18 hours. And if Belcourt IPs are being filtered perhaps it has to do with attempts to post porn images into comment threads. And x, you got to lay off the sauce, your posts become more bizzare by the day.

    Rae, I stated very simply what was meant, you need no more elaboration. You keep pounding that socialist drum, your very practiced at it.

    Brave, don’t back up or back down! Put their corruption right out where all the world can see it. Throw the light of day on them and watch them scatter for cover. And be advised, andy and his comrades will attack your family. It is how socialists work, look at the thinnly veiled threats andy keeps making.

  • Xene

    Seems like Rob’s column has achieved some measure of his intended purpose. People are starting to talk about the problems and how they can be solved. That is what he was trying to get started. Maybe we (or at least the sane among us) can agree that Rob said something that was true and so offensive that people began an examination that may not have started otherwise. That is entirely different from racism or a malicious desire to offend. RaeMarie70, what to you think of that hypothesis?
    Just_Me on May 6, 2007 at 07:41 pm

    Rob did nothing but harm our people. Your God Rob…intentions were purely evil and selfish!It does no good to tell these people all the harm they have caused…to our businesses to our mothers to our fathers to our children to our elders.. I have found no compassion.

    There is nothing they can do it is an internal issue that must be taken care of within our members

    How many battles have we fought for the right reasons. Everyone knows these people have no standing in our government, Not unless Rob Port has a seat at Congress can their be any help. I highly doubt that will ever happen. If he had a heart at all he would not have written this article that hurts and angers all of our people.

    It is no good to imagine Rob Ports intentions were not for his own self.
    Xene on May 6, 2007 at 09:17 pm

  • 2Hotel9

    You got them screaming, Brave, keep up the pressure.

  • Xene

    Hot Pussy,

    The issue is this: Let me give you a memory zap….THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU HAVE PUBLISHED IN A PUBLICLY DISTRIBUTED RAG DEFAMATORY INFORMATION ABOUT THE TURTLE MOUNTAIN BAND OF CHIPPEWA AND HAVE GONE SO FAR AS TO INCLUDE ALL RESERVATION IN NORTH DAKOTA AND CONTINUE TO DO SO IN OTHER VARIOUS SECTIONS.( THE DAKOTA BEACON ) and Say anything, blog.

  • Xene

    Unless you actually know any of Andy L. and his comrades personally like Florance K. does how can you honestly threaten Brave with that irrational uneducated asssumption?

    You coerce information from tribal members…..you are have no moral…ethical…explainable….reason to make the above comments.

  • Xene

    Thank-You Florence!

    Che-Miigwitch!

    You know I saw an elderly ladt today and I saw that she was ages. Before I thought of what color she was. My heart said “Creator bless her”. She was a white grandma. My heart does not see color only those that are suffering.

  • Xene

    I have sent a letter to Indian Country News about all of the events that took place. Andy L. try not to divulge and discuss issues with tribal members.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    That is great advise! AND very thoughtful, Joel… I hope they both will take you up on it.

  • Andy L

    Rob, what were you doing in Belcourt
    Xene on May 5, 2007 at 11:50 am

    Yeah. We’ve been asking that question from the “beginning of thread”. We never did get a clear answer. Was it merely to do research so he could print the insidious article and cause a great deal of harm to Indian people? Maybe it was just done to create anger? [b]What is it Rob? Huh? We can’t hear you!

  • Xene

    I must matter something to you if you bothered to look up my first post! You, however, don’t matter enough to me for me to find the first time you started spewing insults, racial slurs and false accusations! Say goodnight, Gracie!
    Proof on May 5, 2007 at 05:49 pm

    I knew they had blocked me and Andy L. What i didn’t know is they had blocked all of Belcourt and the surrounding area!

    I thought to myself good, because these people are nothing compared to where I want the direction of this world to go.

    And then I saw what Tribal members were writing about themselves. And MY HEART is never wrong…Rob Port and his Hate Group will only use it against us to promote himself as a literary. An North Dakota God…Who can cure the blind of North Dakota. I know in my Heart he will use anything and everything we divulge to him for his own selfish purpose. His intentions are purely evil.

    Those that agree with him are in the same canoe.

    It would be in Indian Countries best interest to watch this enemy close!

  • Elyse

    I am guessing whoever whoever wrote this is white, grew up in “average” america, went to college to study some form of socio-economics, poly sci, or something along those lines and thinks that his “great” way of thinking will end the trials of Native American life as it is. In my opinion your an idiot. You have read articles and done what maybe 100 hours of field work? You can’t even be respectful enough to correctly identify the group of poeples you are discussing, did you not notice it angered poeple to be called INDIANS??? Everyone who understands or cares that there is in fact a problem with the socio-economics on reservations would never say let’s just let “them fight it on thier own, they should know better, geezz!” That’s the same kind of thinking that started this mess 100 years ago.

  • Xene

    Rob Port and the Moron Choir,

    The important thing to remember is that Indian People are born with memories.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    It is pretty funny that terms you throw around, like they are truisms, you don’t even understand.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    bak72– It souns like you know how to tell The Truth. Power and money corrupt some people.

  • http://ndblueblog.blogspot.com/ Graeme

    It is hell what occupation and genocide can do to people

  • http://ndblueblog.blogspot.com/ Graeme

    Also, the Indian reservations I have seen aren’t a whole lot different than some mainly white deep south trailer parks.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Graeme–Looked up your blog. Mostly socialist and democrat. But to your post–What has happened on Indian Reservations has been grafted to the officials operating them. One of the first movies I saw that exposed this was HUD starring Paul Newman. But, the Democrats have made it their legacy to create victims and clients. They make people dependent upon the big federal government to solve all their problems. This stiffles creativity and any motivation to work. Have you ever visited the two large casinos in Connecticut?

  • http://anangrydakotademocrat.blogspot.com/ bak72

    What really needs to stop on Indian reservations is the corruption that the tribal leaders engage in. I have seen many tribal leaders awash in money while the rest of the tribe is struggling to make ends meet.

    On my wife’s reservation, the President of a college embezzled more than $5 Million from the school’s budg