By way of OHIO….

What’s that have to do with anything?

Try being relevant for a change. It won’t hurt you.

Whistler:

You admit he wrote the truth, but you are upset. You say that he should write about the beauty of the reservation and people but you decline the opportunity to do so yourself.

Once again, for the millionth time, no one is upset at what was said. People are upset for what WASN’T said. And what kind of proof would you like for us to demonstrate the beauty of our reservation. Would you like pictures? Testimonials? Would any proof we bring forward be good enough anyway? You can send for a subscription to our newspaper, the Turtle Mountain Times. Our paper is filled with plenty of good, as well as bad. The phone number is (701) 477-6670. Better yet, for those of you that live in Minot you can see the beauty firsthand. There is an Honor Dance and Spring Celebration at MSU on Friday and Saturday. I’d invite you to participate and OBSERVE the beauty of our people! Then you can print that! Oh wait, that wouldn’t help portray the filthy, disgusting Indians we all know and love.

And Whister, I can’t fix problems with my “cash”. I do donate my fair share of income to charitable causes. I have given money to those who are down on their luck. I have given money to help pay for funerals. I have given money to help pay for college expenses. I do what I can, when I can. My point with the income, not that it’s anyone’s business what me or my fellow Natives on this site make, is that Rob, Lik, you, etc continue to bitch about how THEIR money is going to pay for the filthy welfare queens on the reservation when we, more than likely, pay more taxes than they do. I highly doubt Rob and his new wife, who’s going to school to be a nurse, make very much considering she’s a student and he blogs all day. Just an opinion of mine.

Bring on the insults. That seems to be what goes on here when you don’t like what we have to say.

Give me a break. I’ve referenced two people by name. One was leveling libelous charges. The other one assured me that it was okay to use her name even after I offered to take it out

So that makes it okay for you to do it?

And yes, Whitney even if I’m not your dad, good choice! Just make sure its reliable for your child’s sake!

Thanks, and of course its safe. I wouldn’t have bought a newer car if I didn’t have a baby, I was content with the old one… cept I would have fried in the summer heat this summer! He likes his “voom voom”, hopefully I can give it to him when he’s older.

Let’s consider two 17 year old girls. One studies hards, gets a couple thousand dollars of scholarships, works her way thru college and leaves with $50,000 in loans.

I was almost this girl, until I had a mishap in junior year.

The other 17 year old likes to party, gets herself pregnant goes on the dole and sits around for a couple years before she’s decides maybe she’d like to go to college to do something.

I was never close to being this girl.

It does no good to tell these people all the harm they have caused…to our businesses to our mothers to our fathers to our children to our elders.. I have found no compassion.

There is nothing they can do it is an internal issue that must be taken care of within our members

How many battles have we fought for the right reasons. Everyone knows these people have no standing in our government, Not unless Rob Port has a seat at Congress can their be any help. I highly doubt that will ever happen. If he had a heart at all he would not have written this article that hurts and angers all of our people.

It is no good to imagine Rob Ports intentions were not for his own self.
Xene on May 6, 2007 at 09:17 pm

There is NO TRUTH to anything they say…..I have read much of what Rob Port has said and it is all the same HORSESHIT….Why North Dakota Put’s up with him is possibly boredom.

I will be watching you Port and this is not over. None of the things that I have said to you and your pack will I take back because it is true….

Andy L said, Lik, when did I bring up skin color? Jesus, Dean Crist! Get a damn grip on yourself!
What’s wrong with your memory? You brought it up right here.

Lik. I looked and looked and looked. Didn’t find any reference to skin color.

Jesus, Dean Crist. Get a grip! You’re losing it!

Don’t feel badly about the quotes. Everything else you’ve written here makes you look like an idiot too. The quotes are no big deal.

thanks for the slam batman. You make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU HAVE PUBLISHED IN A PUBLICLY DISTRIBUTED RAG DEFAMATORY INFORMATION ABOUT THE TURTLE MOUNTAIN BAND OF CHIPPEWA AND HAVE GONE SO FAR AS TO INCLUDE ALL RESERVATION IN NORTH DAKOTA AND CONTINUE TO DO SO IN OTHER VARIOUS SECTIONS.( THE DAKOTA BEACON ) and Say anything, blog.

The DAKOTA BEACON is publishing defamatory toward Native Americans of North Dakota. The Dakota Beacon is inciting ethnic hate.

Of course, the World is noticing the ethnic hate is not only directed toward Native Americans only the majority is. Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and other countries are included therefore; Native Americans defamed worldwide. Is not the United States being implicated in their neglect of their trust responsibility toward the indigenous of the richest country in the world? The world is again considering the “value” of the United States treaties and the breeches of The Constitution of the United States
What is worst you are publishing names when perverts spend hours on this site because of the PORN you are distributing. ” INDIAN COUNTRY DOES NOT CONSENT TO BEING AN ISSUE WITH PUBLICATIONS THAT PROMOTE ETHNIC HATE AND SEXUAL PERVERSITY”!
The Dakota Beacon and Rob Port need to held accountable!
Xene on May 2, 2007 at 01:57 pm

My problems are my problems and will never concern you. That’s the difference between us.
likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 04:08 pm

Oh, yes they do concern us. I really want you to change your thought process. Honestly. I feel so sorry for you. You’re such a youngster. To go through life with so much hatred. Jeez, lik. Pay attention. One of these days, by your own volition, you will be very sorry for the hurtful things you have said. I’m an Indian, by the way, I will always respond to bigotry the way I do. It’s a learned reflex. Would that you had to experience it in real life. Then maybe you would finally understand.

Oh,..and stop posting my picture Whitney.
likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 03:46 pm

Yes, whitney! This site is scary enough! lol

Jesus, Dean Crist! Get a grip why don’t you.

yeah, uh, newsflash, we’re all not from ohio…. and thank god, because you all must be this retarded.

Egh. Whatever Andrew. I’ve “attacked” welfare queens and for that reason. So you’re saying that Indian women = welfare queens?

No, little boy. You’re the one saying that, on numerous occassions now.

I do. They’re a few towns over. Cleveland’s expanding Great Society is moving eastward and taking with it any sense of normalcy, responsibility, and wealth. In short, they’re becoming reservations.

You better stop them oh great samaritan!

But make sure you still have enough for a QP. Or and ounce.

I indulge responsibly and I don’t ever drink. But thanks for assuming. And if you’ve got a problem with weed? Tough shit.

No amount of indulging in illegal drugs is responsible. And if you don’t like the welfare system, TOUGH SHIT.

Whitney – Again how is saying I want an education being a welfare queen?

Please, tell me you’re not this stupid. I emboldened the parts that sound like they came out of a welfare queen’s mouth.

Andy L – I would be a hypocrite, if I fit into the profile you have created for me.

I was almost this girl, until I had a mishap in junior year.
A mishap? Or a child?
Now that you have that child, call him or her a blessing.
likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 01:39 pm

Lik, you’re so damn cruel! Anyone ever tell you that?

I must matter something to you if you bothered to look up my first post! You, however, don’t matter enough to me for me to find the first time you started spewing insults, racial slurs and false accusations! Say goodnight, Gracie!
Proof on May 5, 2007 at 05:49 pm

I knew they had blocked me and Andy L. What i didn’t know is they had blocked all of Belcourt and the surrounding area!

I thought to myself good, because these people are nothing compared to where I want the direction of this world to go.

And then I saw what Tribal members were writing about themselves. And MY HEART is never wrong…Rob Port and his Hate Group will only use it against us to promote himself as a literary. An North Dakota God…Who can cure the blind of North Dakota. I know in my Heart he will use anything and everything we divulge to him for his own selfish purpose. His intentions are purely evil.

Those that agree with him are in the same canoe.

It would be in Indian Countries best interest to watch this enemy close!

Just because lik is unhappy in his shitty trailor home, he comes on here to pretend he’s someone he’s not. Come on you guys, don’t bring him down, he actually believes hes someone!

There’s been enough comments on this thread that people are beginning to ignore it.

No one is ignoring the threads, Carrick, we just couldn’t get on for a while. It appears that complaints about blocked IPs from off the reservation have served to open them again. Thanks you guys!

Why can’t everyone just get along?
FlippyChapstick on May 6, 2007 at 02:22 pm

We will not give up, Flippy. Not until Rob and the publisher of the Dakota Beacon issue a total retraction of what was said, unfairly, about the people on the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation.

Thanks anyway. You’ve been saying some good things! Welcome to the thread.

Andy

Have you checked out the inner cities lately? If you have, you’d see that it’s not such a “crackpot conspiracy theory”. If you had, you’d see that the figures for single parent households, incarceration, and poverty have all gone UP. The “Great Society” isn’t living up to it’s name. Which isn’t so surprising.

No, I’m not as myopic as you make me out to be; I’m well aware of poverty that exists beyond the single state in which I reside (the same kind of awareness that Rob lacks utterly, at least judging by his articles written).

How does this even remotely prove it being anything beyond a conspiracy theory? What makes you entitled to say that this particular social program increases or even maintains poverty just because it doesn’t alleviate the dire conditions? What makes you disregard all other factors (which are vast in amount) that contribute to poverty? How do you know welfare isn’t actually stifling the rate of these increasing statistics you speak of which, if welfare was dismantled completely, would otherwise be even more astronomical than they already are?

I know, I know, I said I would never come back, but this is funny.
lik: Poor little pothead. Oh, your problems DO concern us. We are tax payers!!!! Our tax dollars go to support all the drug dealers that are in jail/prison. Those drug dealers sell pot to you, or do you grow your own? That my dear, is how yor pot smoking problem affects us. We should start complaining about that! How do our problems affect you? You don’t pay taxes and you know it. You call me mean? You, little boy are the one who started all the name calling and put downs. When you get it back, you don’t like it at all. You are getting mad over ther in Ohio. Only two things come from Ohio, Steers and Queers! I know, I am being mean. I admit that I can be mean too sometimes. How is calling someones child a “bastard” or a “welfare whore” not being mean and assuming? You are just a punk little boy who doesn’t know squat about anything. You sure have lots of time on your hands. You know, to pick apart what everyone says? Ok, guys, I am outta here for real this time.:P

Oh, yes they do concern us. I really want you to change your thought process. Honestly. I feel so sorry for you. You’re such a youngster. To go through life with so much hatred.

Hatred? I waste no time with such strong and useless emotions. It would take too much valuable energy.

One of these days, by your own volition, you will be very sorry for the hurtful things you have said.

The truth?

I’m an Indian, by the way, I will always respond to bigotry the way I do.

What bigotry?

It’s a learned reflex. Would that you had to experience it in real life. Then maybe you would finally understand.

Shut up. These are nothing but more erroneous assumptions.

Shut up. These are nothing but more erroneous assumptions.
likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 04:33 pm

Jesus, Dean! Sorry for trying.

I have sent a letter to Indian Country News detailing all of the events that has taken place.

You’re going to have me believe that you’re so stupid that you don’t know that calling someone a racist is bringing up skin color?
Are you really that stupid? Or are you just trying to pull one over on us?

So that’s how I brought it up! Wow! I suppose if I called someone a bigot I would be bringing up you?

I get it now! Thanks Dean!

Then why are you acting like victims? Why are you accepting so much welfare? You’re proud, strong people? Start acting like it.

Asshole. When did I ever say I was on welfare? Huh? Can’t answer. Quit assuming then. Little boy.

Actually, I’m stereotyping myself because I’m on welfare and have a new car. Would you rather I do nothing with the money and just spend it foolishly? Get 60 months of “free money” and have nothing to show for it when I’m done? I’m sure.

And the truth bothers me? The truth about what? Anything you are saying isn’t the truth about me besides I’m on welfare, and if THAT bothered me as much as it bothered you, I’d get off and quit school and get a job.

Cute, you blacklisted it lik… good job!

Because what he wrote was true, or because he wished better for those living like that?

What could he possibly gain from us living better? Because I don’t think we were his concern.
He was his concern.

Whitney – And when did I ever act like a victim?

When you collected that welfare check.

And in reality, right now, I am a victim of discrimination.

No you’re not. You’re getting paid.

In turn, you are crying victim because you don’t have a choice. Where will you find your choice? Definitely not here.

Of course not here! You’re here! You don’t offer choice. You just take.

yeah, uh, newsflash, we’re all not from ohio…. and thank god, because you all must be this retarded.

Andy, how come you don’t say anything about this?

Whitney, I’ve lived in six states. Are they all retarded because of me now?

You guys are nothing short of amazing. You project this stuff onto us and then do it yourselves right after you complain.

And I guess I never felt as if “welfare queen” was derogatory… a queen is a leader.. hopefully I can show everyone they don’t need welfare forever.

That’s one way of looking at it. I see the other side: a queen is a dictator who takes. She doesn’t pitch in. She just consumes.

Andy L said, Lik, when did I bring up skin color? Jesus, Dean Crist! Get a damn grip on yourself!

What’s wrong with your memory? You brought it up right here.

You’re so busy crafting two-bit insults that you miss half of what is said.

Asshole. When did I ever say I was on welfare? Huh? Can’t answer. Quit assuming then. Little boy.

You do this all of the time. You were talking as “we” and then I answered in the “we”. I wasn’t talking you personally. Try to keep up.

Good. You’re finally coming around! Maybe, just maybe, you’ll finally start seeing things properly. Maybe there’s hope for you yet.

I’m coming around to what? You don’t say.

Hey, while your in such an apologetic mood, why don’t you come on over to the rez and give us a visit?

I didn’t apologize for anything. Where you did get that idea?

Oh,..and stop posting my picture Whitney.

Andy L says, Lik. I looked and looked and looked. Didn’t find any reference to skin color.

You’re going to have me believe that you’re so stupid that you don’t know that calling someone a racist is bringing up skin color?

Are you really that stupid? Or are you just trying to pull one over on us?

Whitney said, Strictly by CHOICE.

That’s even worse. You had a choice.

So your discriminating because I’m getting paid.

Yes, and that’s not a bad thing.

I take and your mad! Boohoo! And I’ll continue in spite of you! Dont you see that you are fueling my desire for more money? Just stop acting mad, ha ha.

Welfare queen. You have no reason to bitch anymore. You’re more than earning that label.

You see your side and I’ll see mine. No one cares what you think any ways.

You do.

I’ll post whatever the hell I want.

Don’t post my picture. You won’t be posting it.

Besides, isn’t it all about you anyways in here?

Not at all. We’ve been discussing YOU the majority of the time. (more projection)

I asked you to stop with my name and didn’t get what I asked for, why should I be sympathetic to you now? You can change your mind anytime lik.

You have no standing on threats.

So it was irresponsible to spend the money on something other than alcohol and drugs?

Andy L, like you’re not a racist? Pot meet kettle.

I didn’t say that Whitney. The answer is that I would never chose you. I don’t give charity to young girls who got knocked up at a young age. Sorry. I don’t know why you thought I would give to you.

More respect for Indian women I see.

Whitney – Would you give charity to some ex-raving pot head, like yourself?

You can do that. You’ve been looking for an out because you’ve logically twisted yourself into a pretzel, so I’d imagine that you would want to just declare the conversation over. The avoidance certainly wouldn’t surprise me. It fits.

Andy L – why are you still bringing up skin color? Good grief. Get a grip.

Well after doing some creative investigative work, I’m wondering if Mr Rob “Port” isn’t the biggest hypocrite of them all. He’s married to a 25 year old, who according to this site he just married in Dec. But they have 3 kids (were they bastard kids likwidshoe?) and one on the way. The oldest is almost 10. How does a 15 year old take care of kids without the help of the government? Hmmmm????

I’d also like to know why a fireman is investigating criminal matters on the reservation? Or was it for your wife’s insurance job?

Just wondering…..

Isn’t this a bit extreme?

No. I really need my money. I certainly don’t appreciate it forcibly taken from me to go to some little ungrateful welfare queen.

To start with, you’re talking something like 0.005 cents per year of your income going to Whitney. If she were to draw welfare for five years, that amounts to a staggering 0.025 cents of your personal income.

Add her and every other welfare queen and we’re talking close to 60% of my taxes. Compare that to something that’s actually Constitutionally mandated like the military that only gets 19%.

BFD. You’ve cost yourself more than that in terms of keyboard wear just arguing the point.

60% of my taxes is a BFD.

My personal view is that there’s nothing wrong with providing people like Whitney a hand to help her get on her feet….

Sure. If that’s your choice. I’d prefer my charity to go to more deserving individuals.

Personally, I “adopt” a kid every year and buy him Christmas presents (I pick boys because it’s easier for me to pick cool toys, I wouldn’t know what to buy girls) and I pitch in on sending clothes, food, and sometimes toys to people in Guinea, Africa. It’s cool. We send them barrels and stuff it with rice sandwiched in between other goods. It costs 200 bucks a barrel to ship. Then we get video-tape back of them receiving that barrel and passing out the goods.

I’d rather have a choice of where my welfare goes. My life is short enough and I don’t want to waste my time on little ungrateful bitches like Whitney Candice Belgarde. Ya dig?

And btw, Andy and Whitney – my point was that Whitney is NOT a victim. I even said as much above. She’s a strong young woman who is assuredly in good health with a good body. Am I off the mark there? She’s NOT a victim.

And when did I ever act like a victim? And you are off the mark, my body is much to fat to do many things.

And in reality, right now, I am a victim of discrimination. You despise me because I am sticking my hands into your bank account. In turn, you are crying victim because you don’t have a choice. Where will you find your choice? Definitely not here.

I don’t assume. I look at what you write and I look at your attitude and it tells me that I’m talking to a welfare queen. If you’re not that way, then stop talking like you are.

Well, since I’m not finding “welfare queen” in the dictionary, I’ll “assume” that you made that up. Therefore, I’m not talking like anything except for Whitney Candice Belgarde.

You still don’t get it. My life doesn’t affect yours. Get that through your mental midget head.

Ok Captain Ignorant, Selfish, Ex-Raving, Pot-Head, Spoiled Rotten, Introvert, Smart-ass, Disrespectful. I think you need to get it through your head that this is just a complaint that is falling on deaf ears. No one cares that you have less money to spend on weed. I see it as doing you a favor, trying to get your drug addict ass off of MJ. Maybe you do belong here with us drug addicted indians, your ugly just like a lot of the men here too!

I agree. Being a pot head is certainly a flaw.

Did you miss the part where I said that I wasn’t? Either you did, or you’ve ignored it.

I never said that you disagreed that it was a flaw.

You gave away your entire situation and then argued from a position of victimhood.

Victim? We are not victims. And, if we are, its because of your unhealthy rhetoric.

I have decided that there are other, more deserving victims who are deserving of my charity.

How godly and superior of you, little boy!

Andy: Check out lik’s profile on myspace.com. He is a 27 year old pothead. He even has a picture of himself rolling a doobie!!! HA HA CRAZY STUFF. Why is it lik that you don’t have a job listed, or any college listed? I think Misty is right, you must be the lettuce chopper at McDonald’s. On checking Rob’s site, also on myspace, he doesn’t have a job listed either. Oh, he has some college. But some of us “Indians” have Master’s Degree’s and PhD’s. I honestly think NEITHER of them pays ANY taxes. Lik, you are a punk. I think the reason you talk so crazy is that you burned up all of your brain cells smoking wacky tobacky! So quit complaining about all the taxes you pay. We know you don’t pay any. You probably still live with your parents.
CARRICK: You DID say I was becoming unhinged. I do believe to referred to all of us here. Yes, I do have bad manners. I would be the first to admit that. But, I don’t care what you say. I stand proud, bad manner’s and all.
And oh, I know I said I wasn’t coming back here, but a little bird told me about likwidshoe’s myspace account. Check it out! Now, I am outta here, for good this time. Don’t worry, I won’t let the electronic door hit me.

Ken,

I think its from “Super Chief.” Marvel put it out a few years ago after the demise of the Silver Surfer. Very limited readership, so they killed him off after six months, in a fierce battle with the ghosts of some Quaker settlers.
Bat One on May 4, 2007 at 12:47 pm

I’ll tell you what Mr. 1000,YOUR DEALING WITH INDIANS,
and “INDIAN PEOPLE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON EARTH”, “THE DAKOTA BEACON” was evil enough to keep this hidden from us since December 22, 2006. Indian people “DON’T JUST GO AWAY”. We have been here so long it could keep scientist bust with their “theories” for another billion years. That is where your tax dollars go!
Hye, ya’all – It was just an observation, you are free to reach for the 1000 mark and beyond. Have fun!
Neiman May 4, 2007

“THERE IS OTHER THREADS MORON”
The Rob,
Your article in the Dakota Beacon is not remedial. it contributes to ethnic hate. Your obviously using the tribes of Indian Country to promote yourself as a literary. When in fact your only a basement commentator! You do not have tribes consent to publish anything that is tribal. You and The Dakota beacon need to retract your comments!The Dakota Beacon and Rob Port,
I do not give my consent to publishing any more articles of interest regarding the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa’s. You must request consent to publish from my tribe. It must be news worthy> You must publicly retract articles written!
Xene on May 3, 2007 at 06:45 pm
Xene on May 3, 2007 at 06:37 pm

lmao. where can I see this golden myspace profile?

What you wrote in the Dakota Beacon is unforgiveable, and you know it.

Because what he wrote was true, or because he wished better for those living like that?

Or both.

Or you can look at the figures and see that 65% of the Indians on the reservation has no job.

Not that I don’t believe you, likwidshoe, but where can I see those figures?

Janel spews, Andy: Check out lik’s profile on myspace.com. He is a 27 year old pothead.

No..you’re assuming again. I smoke occasionally. Thanks for making an issue out of it even though it didn’t have to be brought up. That was very mature of you.

Why is it lik that you don’t have a job listed, or any college listed?

Because I’m not a goofy kid who lists all of my personal information. It’s a networking site, not a personal ad.

I think Misty is right, you must be the lettuce chopper at McDonald’s. On checking Rob’s site, also on myspace, he doesn’t have a job listed either. Oh, he has some college. But some of us “Indians” have Master’s Degree’s and PhD’s. I honestly think NEITHER of them pays ANY taxes. Lik, you are a punk. I think the reason you talk so crazy is that you burned up all of your brain cells smoking wacky tobacky! So quit complaining about all the taxes you pay. We know you don’t pay any. You probably still live with your parents.

These are all very mean assumptions. How incredibly low. You complain when we assume right, and yet, here you are assuming all of these wrong things. You’re amazing.

Indian Country is welcome when I go hunting!

So if I called you and asked you for $400 dollars a month instead of ever getting on welfare, you’d send it right away? Ha ha. Sure.

I didn’t say that Whitney. The answer is that I would never chose you. I don’t give charity to young girls who got knocked up at a young age. Sorry. I don’t know why you thought I would give to you.

I limit my charity to those who are extremely impoverished because, well,..because they’re forced to live like animals. Those are the people in Africa. The entire continent of Africa suffers under one form of tyrannical government or another. They’re not allowed to build wealth. A lot of them live on substenance farming of bananas because they grow like crazy under that hot AAnd since I don’t have an army to go over there and kill the bad guys, I send over some goods.

The other people I give charity to are little almost always little young victims of the Great Society. You see, when I “adopt” a kid at Christmas time and buy him presents he wouldn’t otherwise get, it’s usually an 8 to 12 year old young black “Great Society” victim from a couple of towns over. I pick boys because I know their toys better.

The next charity on my list, when I make more money, is to give to medical research.

Whitney, I don’t see you on my list of charity. Sorry. If you’re still wondering why, it has to do with your behavior. YOU got yourself into trouble. I have decided that there are other, more deserving victims who are deserving of my charity. You’re not a victim.

Now others? They may want to help you. Misty C has already repeatedly said that she’d gladly pay for your bills. Give her a call. You don’t think that she’s just bullshitting, do you? We already know that she makes good money, so hit her up. We’ll see if she keeps her word.

Well, they are not taking a whole 15% out of your checks for welfare alone, and of all the money set aside for welfare, I get like what… 0.0000000000000001% of that?

That’s the same reason everybody else is using. Congratulations. You now make up 15%.

I think you should LOOK IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD AND CALL THEM BITCHES AND WELFARE QUEENS…

I do. They’re a few towns over. Cleveland’s expanding Great Society is moving eastward and taking with it any sense of normalcy, responsibility, and wealth. In short, they’re becoming reservations.

My city, filled with these do-gooders who believe in this welfare much like you do, are holding back this Great Society with high taxes and jumpy law enforcement. Such hypocrites. They’re one step below limousine liberals. We can support the Great Society but we can’t have them move near us! Nosiree! Those people are nuts and they’re often disgustingly poor. And I don’t just mean in the money sense, I mean hygiene, manners, class as well. Those things are free in this country. What an ugly game the welfare state creates. It’s dysfunction. I don’t support it. But I do help some of it’s victims. Why do you support it?

And how have I proved that? Anything I ever said like that was out of SARCASM. Learn what that is, and quick.

All of that so-called sarcasm contained one hell of a lot of truth. You gave away your entire situation and then argued from a position of victimhood. And then you attached your name to it. That’s not too swift. If that’s your sarcasm…

I think you misunderstood what I said, I’d never compare myself to such a scuzzball.

That’s nice.

I said that I’d rather not feel as bad taking your money than how bad I would feel if I just ended up being a subject that Rob comes here to write about, you know, like all the people he described in his column?

That’s one hell of a justification you’ve manufactured there. So let me get this straight; it is worse to write an article that you don’t agree with, even though it is the admitted truth, than it is to take money that is not yours.

WOW Whitney! Take a creative writing class because holy shit. You’ve just got stories that are waiting to be told!

Whitney said, No amount of indulging in illegal drugs is responsible. And if you don’t like the welfare system, TOUGH SHIT.

You still don’t get it. My life doesn’t affect yours. Get that through your mental midget head.

Must be from all that weed he smokes. Crazy irresponsible. IRRESPONSIBLE. IRRESPONSIBLE
Whitney on May 4, 2007 at 02:49 pm

Hey, maybe he wants to come over here to Turtle Mountain and share some of that weed with all the drug-addicted Indians here on the rez.

Lik, you’re such a hypocrite.

The proof is in the pudding.

Andy L.
He can’t have had a father to be talking to “women”
like that. Aren’t you proud our people don’t have “bastard” in our language!
Whitney official member of “Indian Homeland Security”!
Misty official member of ” “Indian Homeland Security”!
Warszawa official member of “Indian Homeland Security”!

Please, tell me you’re not this stupid. I emboldened the parts that sound like they came out of a welfare queen’s mouth.

Ok, I will tell you that I’m not that stupid. But you can’t assume I’m a welfare queen (and what the hell is that anyways?) based on a sentence I typed on a computer. I can easily look at your pictures and assume a lot of things about you, but I don’t, would you like me to start?

nvm, found it.

Go spamk your monkey. And don’t think of me!

Likwidshoe: here is one website that states Native people have the highest per capita rate of joining the Armed Forces.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq61-1.htm

Where did I EVER say I was entitled to welfare?

You took it and think that it was your right. That’s entitlement thinking.

In my defense, I never said I was entitled to it. It was available to me. I used it to help make a better life for my son. I never screwed around, drank it up, used drugs with it, etc. I think my irresponsible act of getting pregnant at a young age was and using government assistance has been paid back to society tenfold and will continue to be paid back for the next 50 years or however long I choose to work.

I do know what a “bastard” child is. Whether or not a child has a father in the picture does not give you the right to call them names. That’s just mean. It’s not their fault for the decisions their parents made. And I never said what my situation was, yet you assumed my son is a “bastard”. And since you thought it was funny that I had a “bastard” son, I figured you would think it was funny that he had a stroke too.

Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa Constitution

Article IX Powers Of The Tribal Council
(a) Governmental Powers
Section 4: To enact ordinances to remove from the reservation persons not legally entitles to reside thereon and whose presence may be injurious to the peace, happiness or welfare of the members of the Band.

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Sorry for the typo, must be my “inferior” 17th century Indian keyboard. Damn it.

I have no problem with people who ask.

So if I called you and asked you for $400 dollars a month instead of ever getting on welfare, you’d send it right away? Ha ha. Sure.

You’re taking a lot of assumptions with my life. As Carrick pointed out, about 15% of our federal taxes goes towards welfare. Is 15% out of your paycheck a lot to you? Yes it is. It’s a lot to everybody’s.

Well, they are not taking a whole 15% out of your checks for welfare alone, and of all the money set aside for welfare, I get like what… 0.0000000000000001% of that? And your mad at me? I think you should LOOK IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD AND CALL THEM BITCHES AND WELFARE QUEENS because in the mid 1990′s, of all welfare recipients, white people were about 40%, Native Americans, about 3%. I doubt thats changed much in ten years.

And really, you have that stereotypical entitlement attitude. You singled yourself out.

And how have I proved that? Anything I ever said like that was out of SARCASM. Learn what that is, and quick.

Rob’s not impacting your life. How immature that was to compare your parasitic status to someone who wrote things that you don’t agree with.

I think you misunderstood what I said, I’d never compare myself to such a scuzzball. I said that I’d rather not feel as bad taking your money than how bad I would feel if I just ended up being a subject that Rob comes here to write about, you know, like all the people he described in his column?

You don’t want me to call you a welfare queen? Then stop talking like one.

Tell me how saying I want an education is talking like a welfare queen.

But nobody thinks about the taxpayer. We’re just bottomless wells of money to people like you.

And no one thinks of Native Americans until its time for ridicule.

Whitney said, And yes, I would find being a pot head a flaw, and so does Rob, according to his column… I’m sure a lot of others would agree….

I agree. Being a pot head is certainly a flaw.

Did you miss the part where I said that I wasn’t? Either you did, or you’ve ignored it.

I’m back. Couldn’t stay away. Did little lik blow a fuse again? Poor little boy.

Probably don’t have a word for “nuclear fission” or “antiseptic” in there either! Not having a word for it don’t mean it don’t exist!
Proof on May 3, 2007 at 03:52 pm

I know the word fuckhead exits in the english language for quite some time. Most likely to describe people like you.

fuckhead.

Thanks Carrick, I guess it’s different when you’ve been through this, I doubt any of those men have. I didn’t like the thought of getting on welfare, my parents didn’t think too highly of it either. So I asked them to help me and they said no. So I thought, if they wont help me through college now, then they probably wouldn’t have even if I didn’t have a baby. But high school was such a breeze it only made sense to go to college. I was an honor student and scored a pretty reasonable ACT score of a 25. I mean, why should I have wasted my time being a waitress anymore (I worked at a resturaunt since I was 14) when I could be so much more than that? Of course I could work and go to college, but I would never get to see my baby, just when he’s sleeping and that would hurt my heart so bad. I wanted to be a dentist since I was in 8th grade. But after starting college, I realized that would take too long, so now I’m enrolled in the Computer Support Specialist Program, I’ll be done in 2010. I know everyone’s outraged at me for being on welfare, but someday I’ll be equally as proud to see that title behind my name and set a good example for my son. It’s funny how no one bothered to ask me anything like that on here… I know it doesn’t matter to them and thats ok. But I’m thankful, a little priveleged, and kind of selfish, but in the end, we are all a little selfish in our own ways.

So can someone please clarify where in the above I sound like a welfare queen?

Andy L gets indignant, This issue is not going to go away until Rob Port retracts his statement in the Dakota Beacon. OK?

Rob’s not going to retract what he has said. It’s never going to happen. He’s not going to retract the truth.

Lik, don’t you realize that you’re a big part of the problem on this site? Without your big mouth, maybe some sensible discussion would happen. Your the biggest dipshit in here.

For me to be the biggest, I’d have to start in with the false racist charges and other things of that nature. I’ve never come anywhere close to doing such a thing. You, on the other hand…

Go ahead, turn it around on me. I don’t care. While you’re at it, why don’t you attack more of our Indian women.

Egh. Whatever Andrew. I’ve “attacked” welfare queens and for that reason. So you’re saying that Indian women = welfare queens?

You’re such a filthy little boy.

Why do you insist on calling me a boy? That seems….creepy.

Appalling State of “OUR” Reservations

Well,..they are ours. We pay for them.

If you don’t like that, then become independent. Until then, you’re our dysfunctional children.

I fixed your tag.

And now that I’ve got your attention, you always spell blockquote wrong! I’ve fixed that kind of tag from you at least a half dozen times.

It’s no biggie, of course. Just thought I’d mention it.

Nah I think I’ll stick around.

We routinely check to see who is commenting on these threads because we have a problem with people pretending to be something other than what they are. Paid advocates, for instance, commenting as though they were just concerned citizens. Stuff like that.

who is “we”. And, Rob, once you do your “routine” check, is it your policy to publish what you find on the site?

At 605 comments on this thread and the conversations degenerating significantly, can’t we say this horse has absolutely been beaten to death?
Neiman on May 4, 2007 at 01:02 pm

This issue is not going to go away until Rob Port retracts his statement in the Dakota Beacon. OK?

Where did I EVER say I was entitled to welfare?

And Rob, why is it ok for you and Likwid to use adminsitrative privileges to find out about the people who post on here but no one is allowed to find out about you?

I don’t feel that lik is doing a good enough job when it comes to mocking me, I suppose I can lend a helping hand to someone who claims he can make me or break me:

Whitney Candice Belgarde
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I’d rather have a choice of where my welfare goes. My life is short enough and I don’t want to waste my time on little ungrateful bitches like Whitney Candice Belgarde. Ya dig?

Tell me when I ever said I was ungrateful… And I definitely act grateful, as I am taking full advantage of it by getting my ass to school.

She’s definitely got the “you owe me” entitlement attitude. That makes her a welfare queen. Plus the girl has a new car! That’s highly irresponsible. If she was really hurting for cash, then the responsible thing is to get a used car. Nothing too cheap because those can cost more in repairs, but something in the middle of the pack. New car on welfare? Only a welfare queen would do that.

And exuse me, it is used. Just because I’m on welfare means I should drive a car that works properly? My old one:driver window didn’t roll down, no air conditioning, fifth gear going out, no driver side mirror, growing mold in the trunk and in the back seats, among many other things. I think me and my son needed a better car, don’t you?

I call it parasitism. She has no rightful claim on my time. She didn’t even ask. She has no idea what’s going on in my life or how badly I might need my money. Instead, she’s relied on the iron fist of government to take it from me and give it to herself in the most selfish of manners. That’s evil Carrick! A girl like Whitney is most likely a healthy and able girl who has no excuse. So what that she’s made mistakes. Welcome to the club. We’ve all made them.

Well, when I went in for assistance, I didn’t think that it was gonna kill anyone as much as it kills you lik, most ppl would be a little more understanding. And I doubt you worry about your money if you are spending $200 just to ship a barrel filled with things that costed yet more money to other people you don’t know. If I could afford it, I’d do the same, but I wouldn’t complain when my neighbor came and asked for a few dollars for gas to get to school.

And Rob, why is it ok for you and Likwid to use adminsitrative privileges to find out about the people who post on here but no one is allowed to find out about you?
You’re fishing.
likwidshoe on May 4, 2007 at 11:21 am

Likass, you guys did abuse your administrative privileges. Otherwise, how did you find our names? You using that as a scare tactic? Listen, little boy, you’re talking to Indians. We don’t scare easily.

While you’re at it, stink butt, why is it you can hide behind your cover “likwidshoe”, spew filth, and come off like you’re so damn tough. Shame on you, little boy.

Crap, should have used the preview button. (Missing end tag.)

First of all, if you are going to quote something instead of writing it yourself, you should provide a link so we can go check it ourselves.

Andie,

It’s called common courtesy, something with which you are obviously unfamiliar. Suffice to say, it’s a good part of the reason that so much of what you write here is either derided, or completely ignored.

The Dakota Beacon and Rob Port,
I do not give my consent to publishing any more articles of interest regarding the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa’s. You must request consent to publish from my tribe. It must be news worthy> You must publicly retract articles written!
Xene on May 3, 2007 at 04:45 pm

The Dakota Beacon and Rob Port,
I do not give my consent to publishing any more articles of interest regarding the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa’s. You must request consent to publish from my tribe. It must be news worthy> You must publicly retract articles written!
Xene on May 3, 2007 at 04:45 pm

I not only fish, I spear, net, and shine!
Xene on May 3, 2007 at 07:27 pm

Misty C said, Yes, Likwid, he also had a stroke when he was 5 months old. Is that funny too?

Why are you bringing up this bit if irrelevancy?

You also say you assume nothing about me, only what you know. Yet you called me a welfare queen. You called Whitney a welfare queen because she act like she was entitled to welfare and drives a new car. How do you know that about me?

Because you were on welfare and you act as if you were entitled to it, hence, the welfare queen status.

And how do you know Whitney’s car is “new”? Maybe it’s NEW to HER!

Perhaps, but she did mention that she “just bought a new car” and when most people say that, it means new car. I’ll take her at her word.

Again, there is nothing wrong with assumptions but they should be able to go both ways. You keep saying you don’t assume things about us, but you do. Just acknowledge it!

You’re stretching that point.

I guess it’s one of the benefits of being a sovereign nation…like it or not.

“Sovereign nation”? More like welfare sponges.

After I thought about it more, I don’t know too many firemenwomen who are Republican. I guess that’s another stereotype of what kind of jobs people have and what their political affiliation is. The job didn’t fit the Republican side of you.

Rob’s woman is a Republican?!?!!! Since when? When did she change her liberal ways?

What were you saying about assumptions Misty?

First of all, if you are going to quote something instead of writing it yourself, you should provide a link so we can go check it ourselves.

Ken, check “Talton v. Mayes”, is that too difficult? You have a computer, do a search. Read it.

I’d also like to know why a fireman is investigating criminal matters on the reservation? Or was it for your wife’s insurance job?
Just wondering…..
Misty C on May 4, 2007 at 09:35 am

Misty, excellent question. Well, Rob, what is it? Why exactly were you on the reservation?

Bye Xene!

Umm, Misty C, just to let you know, almost all of the information you have on Rob is incorrect.
Andrew on May 4, 2007 at 10:12 am

How is it incorrect? Tell us.

How do you know I’m not Andy LaVallie, or Andy LaDoux? Maybe I’m Andy Laducer or Andy LaFromboise? How many Andy L’s live in Belcourt?

Maybe it came from my email address? You have access to that.

Well if you don’t like it, there is a great solution . . .

Go away.

Misty, I love you….. will you marry me?

lol.

Again Lik, I’ll continue to support Whitney with my taxdollars and you can continue to give your money to your idiotic president and work towards killing more of your troops. And again, I doubt your tax dollars would support a “welfare queen” for more than 6 months.

Thanks for acknowledging my valid point. I’m being very sincere in my appreciation. Why can’t you acknowledge my, or any other person’s valid points without having to be asked twice? All you do is continue to perpetuate negative feelings. If you actually acknowledged valid points maybe this could be a DEBATE!

The only reason I ever complained about assumptions is you think it’s ok to assume things about us but we can’t assume things about you. So I will continue to speculate that you have a horseshit job and pay pennies in taxes, yet act like you are really paying for ONE family’s yearly welfare check, while the rest of us have real jobs and help to contribute to society. Again, nothing wrong with a horseshit job, someone has to do it. But get off your high horse and quit pretending you are better than the rest of us. I may have once been on welfare, and I can say I’ve never NOT been hired nor asked if I have been on welfare while interviewing, but I am very succesful and prosperous today–thanks to the welfare system. Why can’t you at least be ok with people using the welfare system for the right reasons? I used welfare for less than 2 years while I got my 2 year degree and then needed medical assistance while I worked part time and went to school full time to get advanced degrees. The welfare system is a fact of life. It will never go away. So why not support the people who use it for the right reasons, like Whitney, instead of pushing them to use it for the wrong reason?

You used it yourself.

Exactly, I used it, and didn’t assure you that you could.

I am amused at the fact that you actually think employers or anyone else for that fact will google my name. And if they do, they will clearly see whats going on here, and see that you are all just mad because I’m on welfare and taking your money and using it to better myself. And I will tell them I am/was on welfare myself, you’re not telling them anything that I wouldn’t tell them myself, like I said, I have nothing to hide. I don’t regret anything I’ve said or even anything I have ever done in my lifetime. And if someone would chose not to hire me because I am/was on welfare, then thats discrimination and against the law. Nice try on scaring me though, but it wasn’t good enough. Ha ha.

I don’t worry about where the money is going. Why worry about something you have no control over?

Well Janel some of us feel that we should pay our own way in life, and we do, and we donate money too to those who need it. But our increasing tax liability that goes to those who do not make the sacrifices, or choices to pay their own way isn’t right also.

We do have a say in where that money goes, or at least a voice. I am not sure what it is that you don’t care where your taxes go, but I do.

You are not an authority on publishing. Rob needs no consent from you or Turtle Mountain.
Andrew on May 3, 2007 at 04:52 pm

If this ends up in court he’ll find out! Remember, he’s dealing with Indians here.

this country will always be full of racism

Correct me if I’m wrong, I may have missed a post here or there, but has anyone on this site said that the reason the conditions on the Turtle Mountain reservation were so bad was because they were Indians? If not, where’s the racism?

I’ve seen government blamed, both tribal and federal. I’ve heard talk of people (generic: every race) being encouraged to take personal responsibility for ending their plight, but I haven’t heard anyone blame the Indians because they were Indians!
Racism? STFU!

Oh, and lik, please excuse all those type-o’s! I was in a hurry!!

I’m sorry that you feel ashamed about where you live (apparently even before my column), but you should know that it’s not my fault. Or even really your fault, but rather a circumstance of the welfare state the reservation has become.

Rob, quit pandering. You’re such a pig. What you wrote can never be taken back. We are not asking for an apology. I don’t think any apology from you would ever be sincere. We sill be asking for a retraction from you and from the Beacon rag.

Bye.

Whitney said, I’m sure if you died tonight, I’d still be alright.

You still don’t get it. At the end of the day, you negatively impact on my life. You can’t claim the same about me.

RaeMarie70 asked, Not that I don’t believe you, likwidshoe, but where can I see those figures?

I had said 65% unemployment. It’s actually 63%. Or was,..that’s from the 2000 census.

Warszawa said, I happen to think that living in poverty licks a dirty phallus, which is why I also happen to realize that eliminating welfare is the single stupidest fucking idea ever proposed in an attempt to finding a solution for poverty

Because nothing says “solution for poverty” more than cheering on the irresponsible welfare mentality!

You’re clearly not the All Seeing Eye if you fail to realize that most of us pro-welfare “commissars” choose the stances we take because we, unlike the guilt-free capitalist scumfucks such as yourself, have the ability to realize that offering your “tough love” to those impoverished will leave them both homeless and dead by means of starvation.

Why? Are they too stupid to help out their own situation?

For the love of God, please tell me why you don’t suppose that stripping welfare wouldn’t actualy worsen conditions? I’ve asked you this numerous times already.

For the same reason that poverty rates went down after Welfare Reform Act of 1996. Look it up and surprise yourself about what happened.

I don’t feel like typing the same question for the millionth fucking time…

They’ve been answered. Maybe you need to cool down and check out the answers.

Misty C blows, At least Rob said the point of writing the article was to “help” us, I’m sure since your head is still buried in his ass that must be your vice too.

You know what? Fuck you. You’re as ignorant and derisive as Andy L.

Why is it that each of you have never addressed anything pertinent that we ask or acknowledge any of our issues?

The only way you could say that is if you ignore all of what we have already said.

Rob keeps alluding to an agenda that includes Indian people leaving their homes, finding jobs elsewhere and becoming full-fledged contributing citizens of the greater society. For Indian people, not only is that easier said than done, it’s also an option that we may not want to consider.

I didn’t want to consider moving out of Michigan state. Yet I had to because of a multitude of reasons, not the least of which is that the job situation in MI is sinking fast. Sometimes you have to do what you’ve got to do.

We know and understand the resentment for Indian people in this country.

Yeah, but you’re not finding that here. What you’re finding is that people here object to the reservation system and the welfare mentality.

and barely human (most recently in various comments at this sacred blog site).

Who has said that?

But, you know what? We are survivors, and we survive under our terms, as Indian people.

Your terms? Then why are you (plural) accepting welfare money? Those aren’t your terms.

But, you must all understand now, that these are our problems, not yours.

They’re our problems as well. We are, after all, paying for it. If you want independence, then start being independent.

I will tell you now, the reactive comments each of you have made and the ill-will each of you have shown toward Indian people serves no purpose whatsoever.

You keep on trying to play that victim card.

We are entirely capable of solving our problems…

We know. That’s why we’re upset with the situation. As it is currently, you’re not solving your problems. Instead, you’ve (once again, that’s the plural you) become dependent upon the taxpayers.

Let me remind each of you that we have our own laws and even if you disagree with those laws, they are our laws, not yours.

If you have your own laws, then why are you accepting so much government money? Why do you consistently fail to address this very pertinent point?

If you all want to stop paying taxes in protest to the way funds are distributed to Indian programs on our reservations, have at it.

That’s not realistic.

Each of you seems so proud spewing your so-called conservative republican agenda.

Interesting that you consider the espousal of freedom, responsibility, and individuality as “spewing”.

I’ll tell you right now, fighting Indian people is way out of your league.

It is?! I’ve only heard a couple of you come here and give coherent responses. Seems that most of you do a good job of fighting yourselves.

I ask again – how many government chains will set you free?

Now tell us how these are your problems and not ours, even though we are paying for these problems that aren’t ours. You like to make that point and never once do you realize what you’re telling us.

Andy L spews, Did little lik blow a fuse again?

“Blow a fuse”? Is there ever a time when you don’t read into things?

Lik, you never paid for anything your whole life.

I guess I just answered the above question. The only time you don’t read into things is when you’re straight up making up things.

You gawd damn neocon.

Oh no! What the hell is a “neocon”.

I guess it is all a conspiracy theory that everywhere welfare has been implemented, things get worse. This is the welfare norm.

This link proves jack shit. I don’t need to look up other sources telling me how poverty continued to rise even after welfare was implemenated while failing to offer any evidence that welfare caused said rise. You and Rob have been doing that already.

Just because you say it over and over again doesn’t make it true.

Reference to what I’ve told Rob about pretending Indian reservations were utopian societies before welfare came along. You’ve based the assumption of welfare increasing/maintaining poverty on nothing other than the fact that welfare users are a trait of an impoverished society and that poverty increases as the amount of those accepting welfare increases (but never the other way around, for some reason or another). By the same criteria, I can say that bad teeth are increasing/maintaining poverty; what with the inability to afford a decent dentist, I’m sure bad teeth are a common trait amongst dwellers of an impoverished society. As the amount of people with bad teeth increase, poverty increases: bad teeth is increasing poverty, but not the other way around; welfare is increasing poverty, but not the other way around.

I don’t. Why would you even say that?

Rob’s arcticle makes no regard for any of the factors that are proven contributers to poverty. I assumed you condoned this attitude considering how much you’ve been defending Rob without stating any qualms about what he’s written. My apologies.

Because that goes against the evidence.

What evidence? Are you referring to the assumption you’ve made based on a fucked criteria?

Because nothing says “solution for poverty” more than cheering on the irresponsible welfare mentality!

Irresonpsible as opposed to what? Thinking that all your tax money would be best spent wiping your own ass as opposed to helping the poor? There’s probably a good reason the government takes money from you if that’s how you feel. I’m not “cheering on the irresponsible welfare mentality” as so much as I’m denouncing those like you who actually think it’s a good idea to deprive money completely from those too poor to have much of it to begin with. We can all just assume that every single one of these people will up and find jobs that make them $25,000 a year, can’t we?

Why? Are they too stupid to help out their own situation?

Well, if we’ve got dim-witted philistines such as yourself making more than enough money to even accept welfare, I doubt their intellect has little to do with it.

For the same reason that poverty rates went down after Welfare Reform Act of 1996. Look it up and surprise yourself about what happened.

What you’re referring to is actually the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. This is supposed to further your argument that state involvement increases poverty how?

I’m talking about the complete eviction of welfare in which Rob (in his article, anyway; haven’t been able to keep track of his backpedaling) is condoning. The act you speak of was a reform that limited the time you were able to stay on welfare to only five years (I’m assuming this is why you think it proves your your idea of eliminating welfare to even be considerable). However, to think that placing a time-limit on welfare had anything to do with the decrease in poverty would be to place blatant disregard towards the numerous social programs the act set up to assist families lacking privilige and to help those on welfare find jobs (not that one finds fulfillment in collecting garbage or cleaning graffiti, but beggars can’t be choosers I guess).

Specifically what did he say that was untrue?

So your statement that I quoted shows just how stupid your complaints have been and still are.
By the way, can you tell me why you all are upset over Rob telling the truth about and wishing better for the people on the reservation?

Well I guess you probably shouldn’t expect much from an 18 year old. But besides that I upset because (and this has been said so many times, go read and see) because it WAS NOT THE ENTIRE TRUTH. And you wouldn’t know unless you came here and walked into our homes yourself. There is SOME truth, but its mostly exaggarated. I am also upset because he is pretending to be some vigilante or something of the sort and saying he’s a “concerned citizen”… Concerned for who? Because it’s sure not us…

But besides that I upset because (and this has been said so many times, go read and see) because it WAS NOT THE ENTIRE TRUTH

Did he (or anyone else) ever say it was.

I guess if he refused to acknowledge that it wasn’t the entire truth then you could be upset. Of course he’s offered his blog for people to post what they think is the entire truth.

Do you honestly think that you’d get that anywhere else?

I am also upset because he is pretending to be some vigilante or something of the sort and saying he’s a “concerned citizen”…

Vigalante? What’s that supposed to mean.

I guess it’s wrong to be concerned and wish for the best.

You said his post was exaggerated. How so?

likwidshoe: Stop trying to act like you don’t have administrative priveleges to this web site. How did you know it was me who wrote that comment under “Yo Mama” For “George Tenet, A Big, Fat Lying Liar?” There is no way you wold have know it was me unless you were googling around again. You know who we all are. You googled all of us. You even knew my age! Well, almost anyway. I am 35! Not 36! But google away. Freak!
Again, why is it that you can say what you want, but we can’t? You are such an idiot.
So, everyone from the Turtle Mountains: Let’s all stop coming to this site. We have given it enough hits. Oh, and Andy, 2Hotel9 even thought that we were posting from the same computer! Check out the above bog. Then, likwidshoe assured him that we were’t. He said we are on the same class B provider, and that he knows we are in the same area. Talk about investigating! He should start a TV show called CSI: sayanythingblog!!! Get a life lik. Google all you want. Next I suppose you will go and boil my rabbits. Oh, wait, I don’t have any rabbits! But take heart! I didb’t get a check OR foodstamps on the 1st. Happy googling! Say what you like, I am sone with this site. As I hope all the Native-American’s are.

Lik, nice try OHIO boy.

Give me a break. I’ve referenced two people by name. One was leveling libelous charges. The other one assured me that it was okay to use her name even after I offered to take it out.

I didn’t assure you that it was ok to use my name at all….

Then I also asked that if you were going to mock me by repeating it over and over to take it out. So please do so.

And even if someone is going through legal troubles, it still doesn’t give you the right to put their name out there.

I also agree that while you urge others to brush up on their english, you should learn a little more about human relations and respect. You’re mother should have taught you better than to speak to and about women in such a derogatory manner.

If you have your own laws, then why are you accepting so much government money?quote]
Why did your government promise us (and the rest of the US population who goes and puts in an application at Social Services, like the some of the people at Jefferson Trailor Park in Minot) that money if it was such a big problem for the taxpayers? And when you end the welfare system, who or what else will you all attack and attempt to bring down so your tax money wont go to them either? I don’t see anyone writing blogs complaining about any other person on welfare except for Native Americans. It seems we are the only people out there on welfare when in fact of all people, there are more white people on welfare than anyone else. (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm) I think you are all looking in the wrong spot when you complain. Look right in your own backyard next time.

Andy L – you had said, Why is it that each of you have never addressed anything pertinent that we ask or acknowledge any of our issues?

That looks to be what you’re doing. At least I’m responding to what you have said. You, on the other hand, are blowing a lot of hot air.

It’s more of your projection.

likmyshoe,
My tribe has a law against looking into our schools records. We also have laws to keep people like you and Rob..out. Why don’t you stop talking to our women like that. I am about 6 foot 4 and weigh 280lbs pure muscle and I am ready to go. Talk to me … I’m right here…

I made my point.

What’s your point again?

Oh,..that’s right. It’s that we’re white and we can’t have an opinion about the Indian reservations that happen to suck up our money.

All you want to do is talk circles. You make no sense whatsoever.

Now you’re projecting.

Any more fallacies of argument you’d like to add to your repertoire?

I made my point. All you want to do is talk circles. You make no sense whatsoever.

I am requesting that tribal members not divulge individual personal information unless it pertains to yourself. I ask the respectfully.
Mii-gwetch!!

likwidshoe, you continue to amaze with the ridiculous things that you say. I am trying understand your thinking and have come to realize I won’t because I don’t have the mentality of a two year old. And I apologize to all the two year olds for comparing this idiot to you. I think it is time for lidwidshoe to grow up.

I told you in an earlier comment to stop generalizing and assuming. There is no way for you to know that every Indian on this blog has lived on welfare. So stop assuming you know that they have.

Because your politics differs from ours doesn’t make you the authority on how people should live and how they run their lives. Your condescending rants prove that you are sad, little man who in order to make himself feel better has to put other people down.

Lik, I can see you have no ethical backbone.

If making you responsible for the libelous things you say means that I have “no ethical backbone”, then so be it.

I’m simply asking: Do you have administrative privilage to this site? Easy question.

Yes. Isn’t that obvious by now?

By the way, explain to me once again why you are not a bigot and why your agenda is not harmful to Indian People.

That’s quite a leading question.

I’m not here to correct your negative assumptions. We already know that it doesn’t matter. You shoot first and ask later.

Btw – what’s my agenda here besides freedom?

Tell me, how many government chains will set you free? Do you think that the welfare and food stamps really help the Indians on the reservations? If yes, why isn’t it working?

I want to see an end to the poverty that’s handed down to every generation. There’s my agenda.

Misty C misreads, I am very literate, idiot. Here is your assumption above. Each and every one of the Indians came here and told us that he or she was or was on welfare. Again I ask, where in the threads does it say Creasy, RaeMarie, Janel, Concerned Citizen were on welfare?

Did you miss that part where I had said, “And almost to a man”? You’re “very literate”, so perhaps you just missed it.

I think it’s real cute how you copy and paste quotes and then give your little opinion on what was said.

I do that because many of you keep on misunderstanding what I am responding to.

But answer my question. How do you know what Rob said is the truth?

Because the guy doesn’t lie. And I’ll stand by him as a friend when his name is slandered with racism and other charges. If he said that he saw it, he saw it.

It’s ok if you’re ashamed of your profession.

The rest of what you say after this should be beneath you.

I see one statement there.

Really? Let me elucidate as to how they’re fundamentally different. Pay attention to the emboldened words. (That’s how they’re different.)

You keep saying we want our people to live on “the government’s tit”.

Compare that to what I said,…

As has been explained ad nauseum already, I don’t want to be any kind of authority on how you should live or run your life. I just want you to stop sucking on the government tit.

I never said that you wanted to be on welfare (although it does seem that some of you do). Okay?

Now…about that remedial English course…

Tell me, where can I take a good basic English comprehension course?

Start with the basics. When you master that, we’ll go on from there.

RaeMarie70 said, However, I am sure you must be lying because according to likwidshoe–we are all welfare queens who continue to have bastard children with who knows where the fathers are!!! LOL

You’re all that way?

It is getting a bit ridiculous how often you put peoples’ full names on the blog. At one point you said to respect your choice for anonymity, why don’t you try some respect yourself.

Give me a break. I’ve referenced two people by name. One was leveling libelous charges. The other one assured me that it was okay to use her name even after I offered to take it out.

Xene said, My tribe has a law against looking into our schools records. We also have laws to keep people like you and Rob..out.

Good. Protection of data retention is important. What’s your point?

Why don’t you stop talking to our women like that.

If they can’t stand the heat, then they can head on out of the kitchen. They can’t come here and level charges and get angry at Rob for describing the reservation’s conditions and not expect a response. Sorry. They’ve been rude and I’ll admit that I’ve been rude right back.

I am about 6 foot 4 and weigh 280lbs pure muscle and I am ready to go.

I see that we’ve got another Internet tough guy making sly threats. That makes three Indians this past few days (and about five or so total this year). You’re not looking too swift here.

Come on boy, I don’t have all day for you to think.

Aww..that’s cute. You’re hanging on my every word.

Times up!!!

What are you going to do? Hah.

Xene,

Your money does not come to tribes.

Then where does it come from?

I work my body to the bone and I work for fools who live in Castles unreachable by phone. I am nothing to them.

So, then… you’re okay with continuing to make the same choices? Oh… I get it… you like servitude!… AHHHH… It’s so clear now. You are beholden to the Government and you like it so much that you work for a similar group.

You’re like the woman who is beaten by her boyfriend but still claims “but he loves me”…

SAD!

By the way, I feel no sympathy toward you. Your vitriol is disgusting.

And its not my fault you don’t have a choice, thats your fault. Don’t complain to me. Goodbye….

Well I will, Ms. Whitney Candice Belgarde, D.O.B. May 28th, 1988.

And I can’t help but feel like you are mocking me, and I didn’t come here to be mocked, so just delete all that shit.

Your funny man….lololol Did you really say “Then guit taking my money” lololol Are you spread out?

No, I never said that. I’ve never used that word, “guit”.

Are you drinking or something? You’re not making much sense.

I am recieve government money! I get my check today! A whopping $400,

Wait a minute, the last payroll check I got had about $400 out of it.

What’s going on?

“Concerned citizen” said, Please don’t waste your time trying to explain your situation to these morons! Nothing you can say is going to make any sense to these racist, prejudiced, too-much-time on-their hands with nothing-better-to-do people!

“Racist” and “prejudiced” doesn’t mean what you think it means. But don’t let the truth stop you from your libelous statements. I wouldn’t want to take away the only method of discourse you have.

Oh my goodness…then what will likwidshoe do? Get a life perhaps?! HA-HA-HA!!

So an opinion on this matter equals not having a life? Is that what you’re attempting to tell us here? You realize this applies to you as well, don’t you?

The only reason I was reading in the first place was to hear Raemarie, Misty, and Janel tell you all off!! YOU GO GIRLS!! Believe me when I say that many people applaud your efforts in standing up for Natives all over the world.

Thanks for the maturity. “Standing up for Natives”? She was standing up for welfare queens.

Whitney needs more schooling, So what likwidshoe is saying that is if all indians get off welfare he’ll have to stop paying taxes? HAHA.

No. Nobody even came close to saying such a thing.

Thank you Xene and Concerned Citizen, I bet all these white assholes didn’t expect such a young squaw to be so intellectual and intelligent.

And once again, a welfare queen brings up skin color as if it has any bearing on anything we’re talking about. That’s not too intellectual or intelligent. That’s downright stupid.

And there was also a little sarcasm there when I said it was your fault lik that you don’t have a choice, all I was saying was that it isn’t mine, I didn’t create the welfare system, yes I just might be contributing to it’s existance, but am I going to end it? Most definitely not.

That’s not an excuse for being on it.

You’re always going to be paying taxes for one reason or another, live with it.

Well I will, Ms. Whitney Candice Belgarde, D.O.B. May 28th, 1988.

Future employers who have Googled Whitney’s name: this woman has repeatedly bragged about being a welfare queen and then gives the excuse that she’s just one of many. This deep character flaw has been handed to you on a silver platter for you to take into consideration.

And also, I know I stated the problem of likwidshoe calling people welfare queens and bitches and that it should be against policy. I was assured that it wasn’t but when I went to register as a member, this was stated in the Terms of Service: “By registering at this site you agree not to post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, or that violate any laws. We will permanently ban all users who do so.”

I believe what likwidshoe had said very much violated these terms. I’m even guilty of it myself, but thats only because I was assured it was ok… hmmph.

I just have a couple of questions for you. Just how much taxes do you pay? How do you know that your tax dollars are going to the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation? If this is possible I want to know where my tax dollars are being sent. I wonder what part of society I am funding?

Andrew Laverdure continues his threats, Rob, admit it. You are wrong. Your article in the January 2007 edition of the Dakota Beacon was one sided, biased and intentionally harmful. There is no way on earth you can ever take those statements back. What’s said is said. We will certainly never forget! The show isn’t over Rob. It’s just starting. We’re actively getting the word out. Hope you enjoy the lessons that are coming your way.

What was he wrong about again? Why are you continuing to threaten him?

The disgust each of you display toward us Indians is purely political. We have treaty rights and you resent that.

This is just another erroneous assumption. How can you sit there and complain that Rob was wrong (about what, we do not know), while making so many assumptions. That’s very hypocritical. (I guess you’ll call this “spew” because I pointed this hypocritical behavior out.)

We are sovereign and have established jurisdictional strength that cannot be displaced.

You’re not sovereign. The reservations are a big part of the federal government’s “Great Society”.

The symbolism of the Gadsen flag, so proudly defended by Rob, rightfully belongs to us natives. Individualism, inner strength, the works! Those are the attributes we carry and demonstrate daily.

Individualism equals welfare and food stamps? WOW!

” INDIAN PEOPLE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON EARTH”
Boozhoo;
Aanin ezhi ayaayan noongom? Ni mino ayaa. Belcout, Anishinaabeg, ninonjibaa. Eya’ Gabebimaadiziyaan. Gi ga-ga-noon-i-di-min. Wiidookaa miinawaa zhawenim giijii Anishinaabeg. Gego gagwe nibaadiziken! gego zazaagizeken! Gego awiya baapinenimaaken gegwadaggitood enigaazidad gaya! Gidaa miiggwechiwendam gii oondaadiziyanji Anishabewiyan! Mashkawiziimagad imaa Anishinaabe bimaadiziwin! Mino bimaadiziwiin! Zaagi idig zhawenindeg! Giida mikwenimaag ogo ge ondaadisjig goozhisheyag naagaj!
Hello;
How are you today? I am fine. Belcout, your people, my whole life. We converse with each other. Do something for your people and be kind to them.Don’t be greedy! Don’t be stingy! Don’t make fun of anyone who is suffering!Be thankful that you were born a human being, an Indian! There is power in the Indian way of Life! The good life! Love each other! Remember your grandchildren! Weweni bimaadiziwin!!!
Xene on May 1, 2007 at 01:38 pm

Lik continues to call her a welfare queen, among other insults. So you continue to point out the bad. Do you think that encourages people to get out of their situations? Not really. Lik, if you were at all close to mature, you would encourage her to continue on with her education so she won’t be “taking your money.”

I totally agree with this. When my friends ask me how am making it through college right now, I tell them. I tell them “You know what, going in and getting on welfare isn’t the most prestigious thing to do, but it’s a choice you have to make. Either go to college or get a job. You have your whole life to get a job and work, but without qualifications, you’ll always only have a minimun wage job until you get your ass to school.” Everyone’s always told me to get to college ASAP because if you don’t, time slips away and you might end up never going. If they don’t have kids, then sure they can work AND go to college, but thats just too much of a challenge for me, especially since I just bought a new car, trying to get my own place, and there are two huge family problems going on my life right now and I’m far to stressed as it is.

I’ve noticed that some have commented and said the Native people are playing the victim card here… but I would think that is in fact the opposite. The main complaint from you all is that we are taking your tax money (boo hooo) seems like you’ve all pulled that victim card in the first place.

I thank those who have given kudos to me on the fact that I’m am putting myself out there with such a hard crowd, but in my family, I’ve always been the outspoken one and sometimes (foolishly) didn’t think of consequences. I don’t really think I was born with any fear in me. Either that or I’m stupid and crazy but either way, it doesn’t matter to me.

I know I posted a comment yesterday with welfare statistics and I saw that no one addressed that, almost like they ignored the truth, there are far more white people on assistance… I’m not surprised, is anyone else? Why try to exterminate such a minute part of the welfare system? Go big or go home.

Whitney said, How is our lifestyles affecting yours? ITS NOT. Get over it, and forget it.

It looks like someone needs reminding that the reservations take in a ton of welfare money. Your lifestyle IS affecting everybody else’s and you’re too damn selfish to notice that fact.

To top it off, we would love to “get over it”. Stop taking the welfare money!

Lastly, you’ll never have the welfare system ended in your lifetimes, so I’m not even worried about a thing, as a matter of fact mine only lasts 50 more months and then I wouldn’t care less, by then I’ll be on my feet.

Ah haha! How typical. An Indian from a reservation on welfare complaining about people pointing it out. We’ve had so many visitors that fit into this category. You’re just another irresponsible and arrogant piece of shit.

So enjoy paying my bills until then Rob, likwidshoe, and the rest of you who agree with them.

You’re happy being a thief. But you’ll be mad if anybody points it out.

I figured I’d play nice until I saw likwidshoe call someone a bitch in one of his comments…. I would believe that would be against policy on this blog site. But watch as no one does a damn thing about it…

You want me to ban myself because I called some racist a little assuming bitch?

First of all, Rob, why do you care so much about this problem? How is our lifestyles affecting yours? ITS NOT. Get over it, and forget it.

As for this…

The damage has been done and I’m not here to try to fix it right now, just get some more answers and perhaps a little apology to the people of Turtle Mountain and a promise that this wont happen again. At least not in all over the states newspapers. I’m not saying he shouldn’t write what he feels anymore, but just to not be so insulting.

Not once did I say to never speak of it again, but to watch how he says things. “I’m not saying he shouldn’t write what he feels but just to not be so insulting”. Read it again likwidshoe.

Also, who showed Rob around our reservation? Well, I just happened to talk to the person who pointed out all of the terrible looking homes to him because this person thought Rob was from HUD. Or maybe he was high or drunk when he told me this and made it all up? We’ll let Rob or some know it all suck as likwidshoe (who wasn’t even here) answer my questions.

Lastly, you’ll never have the welfare system ended in your lifetimes, so I’m not even worried about a thing, as a matter of fact mine only lasts 50 more months and then I wouldn’t care less, by then I’ll be on my feet. So enjoy paying my bills until then Rob, likwidshoe, and the rest of you who agree with them. I figured I’d play nice until I saw likwidshoe call someone a bitch in one of his comments…. I would believe that would be against policy on this blog site. But watch as no one does a damn thing about it…

May God help Rob Port and all of his cronies. I wonder how God will judge them for the way they are taking it upon themselves to judge the Native American Indians?! SCARY!! Remember boys…THERE IS A GOD.

I never once said that you or Creasy, personally, live off of money you didn’t earn or government assistance. Nor did I say that all Indians live this way. So your sarcastic comments are, frankly, untruthful.

Yeah, women and men of the Turtle Mountains, I think we should all just give up since this doesn’t pertain to us… sadly the people it does pertain to mustn’t be able to afford computers to come do this themselves… or wait, its the first today so perhaps they will take their humungous checks and finally break down and go buy one today! Great. WAIT! I am recieve government money! I get my check today! A whopping $400, and after I pay my car payment and insurance, I’m left with $170. Awwww…. thats not enough for a computer.

WAIT! I am recieve government money! I get my check today! A whopping $400, and after I pay my car payment and insurance, I’m left with $170. Awwww…. thats not enough for a computer.

You complain about the free money you steal? The hubris.

I have a question: are there any Indians here commenting that aren’t collecting welfare? An Indian not on welfare you ask? Surely, I must be joking. The proud Indian people have shown that they aren’t smart enough to take care of themselves.

What’s wrong with the Gadsden flag? It’s a symbol of our revolution. You know, the one in which we threw off the tyranny of the British monarch? Freedom fighters?

That’s all we need; more frivilous patriots such as yourself blowing smoke up your own country’s ass while the rest of your brain-dead cult are standing around scratching their gonads wondering why the United States is loathed by the rest of the world.

Individualists shirking the yoke of too much government?

If these same “individualists” were aware of your rampant stupidity that currently chokes the rest of us to death, I’m sure they would have instead favored a totalitarian rule wanting to find the nearest excuse to have your silly red-white-and-blue ass tossed in a gas chamber.

now symbols of the American revolution are bad?

Not bad, just silly; you know, like girls at the age of sixteen frothing at the idea of a new Linkin Park album.

What planet are you from?

The same planet that doesn’t feel the need spit in everyone’s face about how awesome they are because of achievements made centuries ago, despite turning into a circle-jerking capitalist society and an eventual consumer plantation since then.

And I love your refutation of my thesis on welfare.

I would’ve thought you were intimidated by my refutation if anything, seeing as how you’ve yet to offer a counter-argument.

I point out that populations dependent upon the state always live in poverty

What’s your point? I’ll bet you ten dollars that these same people who have welfare at their disposal also have prototype-ish fudge-chunk cookies mailed exclusively to them and no one else (gosh darn it, there goes more of your “hard-earned” tax money). These fudge-chunk cookies (which are only prototype-ish, remember) are clearly the root cause of their rampant poverty.

you shrug it off and claim that there’s still nothing wrong with the dependence.

Are you that fucking dense? Please tell me you’re not. It’s one thing to either put words in my mouth or to make rediculous misinterpretations of what I say; it’s another thing entirely to make a complete fabrication of an expression I’ve never made. At what point have I shrugged off poverty?

How about it this; I’ll make a rediculous misinterpreation of what you said (sans a complete fabrication an of expression not made) and just say that the only reason you think I “shrug off” the issue of poverty is because I’ve pointed an utter myth in your claim that welfare somehow worsens the conditions of poverty.

Do you like the idea of living in poverty?

I happen to think that living in poverty licks a dirty phallus, which is why I also happen to realize that eliminating welfare is the single stupidest fucking idea ever proposed in an attempt to finding a solution for poverty

I think most of you pro-welfare commissars do.

You’re clearly not the All Seeing Eye if you fail to realize that most of us pro-welfare “commissars” choose the stances we take because we, unlike the guilt-free capitalist scumfucks such as yourself, have the ability to realize that offering your “tough love” to those impoverished will leave them both homeless and dead by means of starvation.

All the more better to control the plebes, right?

Yes, because these welfare checks happen to have the technology to completely deprive you of sapience and transform you into a robotic tool at its disposal; in your case, they’ve transformed the Injuns into androids whose sole mission is to increase poverty.

For the love of God, please tell me why you don’t suppose that stripping welfare wouldn’t actualy worsen conditions? I’ve asked you this numerous times already.

I don’t feel like typing the same question for the millionth fucking time, so I’ll just quote the same list of questions I’ve asked likwidshoes. I would also ask that you pleeeasssegive only answers that are based on objectivity.

How does this even remotely prove it being anything beyond a conspiracy theory? What makes you entitled to say that this particular social program increases or even maintains poverty just because it doesn’t alleviate the dire conditions? What makes you disregard all other factors (which are vast in amount) that contribute to poverty? How do you know welfare isn’t actually stifling the rate of these increasing statistics you speak of which, if welfare was dismantled completely, would otherwise be even more astronomical than they already are?

Whitney said, I didn’t assure you that it was ok to use my name at all….

You used it yourself.

Then I also asked that if you were going to mock me by repeating it over and over to take it out. So please do so.

I rescind my offer. It’s too late anyways. Next time think before you divulge such information.

And even if someone is going through legal troubles, it still doesn’t give you the right to put their name out there.

How does this apply to your situation? You’re the one who put it out there. And now you’ll have to live with your actions.

The main complaint from you all is that we are taking your tax money (boo hooo)

Whitney Candice Belgarde is going to take your money and “boo hooo” if you don’t like it. She just got a NEW CAR and doesn’t care that she forced other hard working Americans to buy it. The selfish Whitney Candice Belgarde is telling us that she is entitled to your money.

Janel spews, likwidshoe: Stop trying to act like you don’t have administrative priveleges to this web site.

What are you talking about? I don’t hide that fact.

How did you know it was me who wrote that comment under “Yo Mama” For “George Tenet, A Big, Fat Lying Liar?” There is no way you wold have know it was me unless you were googling around again.

Actually, Googling wasn’t necessary. All I had to do was look at the IP address.

You even knew my age! Well, almost anyway. I am 35! Not 36! But google away. Freak!

You’re quite angry. If you have to know, I merely looked at your e-mail address and logically deduced that the number “1971″ attached at the end meant your birth year.

Again, why is it that you can say what you want, but we can’t? You are such an idiot.

Nice insult. Can you show me where I said that? It should be no problem for you. Thanks.

Oh, and Andy, 2Hotel9 even thought that we were posting from the same computer! Check out the above bog. Then, likwidshoe assured him that we were’t. He said we are on the same class B provider, and that he knows we are in the same area. Talk about investigating! He should start a TV show called CSI: sayanythingblog!!! Get a life lik.

Once again, it took about 5 seconds to figure this out by using the IPs that were used to post.

You’re telling me to get a life? This is your comment. Next time you decide to make fun of someone’s weight, don’t use the same IP address and the same e-mail address.

Say what you like, I am sone with this site.

Good riddance. But if you’re actually done with the site, why are you still here? Honor your word and leave already.

Warszawa said, The claim that social programs (such as welfare) proposed to alleviate poverty actually perpetuate poverty is a crackpot conspiracy theory.

Have you checked out the inner cities lately? If you have, you’d see that it’s not such a “crackpot conspiracy theory”. If you had, you’d see that the figures for single parent households, incarceration, and poverty have all gone UP. The “Great Society” isn’t living up to it’s name. Which isn’t so surprising.

Misty C said, I’d have to say that we pay more taxes than you.

Even if true – so what? Are only the rich allowed a voice? Think about what you’re telling me here – He who has the money has the voice. That used to be true. Blogging and technology has changed all of that. Now everybody has a voice.

Once again, for the millionth time, no one is upset at what was said. People are upset for what WASN’T said.

Then start saying it. Or you could continue to bitch and moan. Your choice.

My point with the income, not that it’s anyone’s business what me or my fellow Natives on this site make, is that Rob, Lik, you, etc continue to bitch about how THEIR money is going to pay for the filthy welfare queens on the reservation when we, more than likely, pay more taxes than they do.

That’s irrelevant.

Bring on the insults. That seems to be what goes on here when you don’t like what we have to say.

This is coming from the same person who said this – “But don’t worry, some day maybe McDonalds will promote you from lettuce chopper up to fries.”

Regardless of this country’s current problems, it’s still the best one in the world, bar none.

You take the good with the bad!

But at least I’m not making up many assumptions about you while attributing evil intent.

Again, you err. I haven’t made any assumptions about anything. Because I don’t believe someone doesn’t mean I think they are evil. It just means they are wrong!

No. I hang out here. You’re just a passing storm.

Again, you take the good with the bad.

I wasn’t the one who said to stop taking your money. Any money I have gotten, I earned.

The article bashed an entire race based on the observations of one.

I explain every answer I write.

Sparkie – here’s more variety for you. These are good as well.

So what likwidshoe is saying that is if all indians get off welfare he’ll have to stop paying taxes? HAHA.

Thank you Xene and Concerned Citizen, I bet all these white assholes didn’t expect such a young squaw to be so intellectual and intelligent.

And there was also a little sarcasm there when I said it was your fault lik that you don’t have a choice, all I was saying was that it isn’t mine, I didn’t create the welfare system, yes I just might be contributing to it’s existance, but am I going to end it? Most definitely not. One reason being is because not only one person alone can end it, I only wish you little handful would realize that.

You’re always going to be paying taxes for one reason or another, live with it.

And ah-thank-u.

And you’re all mad because we dont want to “take care of ourselves” and theres nothing you can do about it. The day you little group of people take my welfare, I’ll shit a goat for you. Promise.

More of that “proud” Indian attitude. It’s not much of a proud situation being beholden to the government cheese, but whatever.

So there its done, I think we got this one, we win.

60+% unemployment, rampant gangs, welfare queens, bastard children with no hint of fathers, astronomical school dropout rates. Yeah,…you’re really winning. Good job. Any more of these kinds of “wins” and you’ll end up exterminating yourselves. Again – great job you’re doing there.

No matter what you say, you’re never getting what you want, N-E-V-E-R!

Yes, most of us have already come to the conclusion that thievery is here to stay. You’re not telling us anything new.

Just to shut you and so you can’t respond because I’ll just say it for you: We are all proud to be on welfare, we don’t want to and never will “take care of ourselves”, we’re happy, we love our alcohol and drugs, being a thief is the only way of life we will ever live and thats the way we like it. There. Done. Happy?

This is one of the more honest things that have come out of an Indian mouth on this blog.

Thanks.

ok then, perhaps you don’t understand sarcasm.

There’s no way of you telling how proud we are.

We’re all in life for ourselves, how you decide to go about your life is your problem, so let ours be our problem. Calling names and arguing with us isn’t doing anything for you, take it to our governor or something.

And if we’re exterminating ourselves, then let us do it, no more welfare for us after that, so just be patient.

Go ahead and keep typing yourself in circles, I don’t even care anymore, I realized that I have your money for now, I don’t care anymore what you think or have to say, nothings going to change, and I’m selfish and I know it, but I don’t care.

Call it ignorance, sweeping it under the rug, what ever you like. All I know is I’m getting mine and in a few short years I’ll be proving you fuckers wrong about me. I’m not some poor stupid indian I know who I am. I’ve got a few more years of college, was an honor student all through high school, I’m pretty, smart, and driven. I’ve held a job since I was 14 until I decided to go to college and had taxes taken out of my checks just like you. My blood is as red as yours, you and I aren’t to different besides the fact I’m on welfare and if thats all thats setting us apart, then thats not much.

Do you all seriously think we are proud to be on welfare? N-O. But does it help? Yes. So I say, why not? Being a full time student and mother doesn’t allow me to work (which I’ve explained before). Should I get off welfare just to make you happy? No. Because I know you’d still dislike me, and like I said I’m not here for you just as you are here for yourself, so am I. I’m doing things the best way I know how as for the moment. Today I am putting in aplications for an apartment for low income families. Unless you like to see me and my son go homeless (which I am sure you don’t want to wish upon anyone, right?) I am going to accept what ever they give me. Otherwise, he can just be another kid with no shoes and a parka in the winter. So now what names would you like to call me? And what other ways can you find to insult me? I told the TRUTH about who I am. I would be glad to tell you anything else, my address, full name, perhaps provide a family photo of me and my son… I don’t care, I have nothing to hide from anyone, and have nothing to be ashamed of. Google this: Whitney Candice Belgarde, birthdate May 28, 1988, Born Trinity Hospital Minot North Dakota.

We’re all in life for ourselves, how you decide to go about your life is your problem, so let ours be our problem.

I’d love to. Start living your own life.

And if we’re exterminating ourselves, then let us do it…

No. I won’t be silent as you take a bunch of innocent victims (your children) along with you. My voice is here to stay until you guys shape up.

Go ahead and keep typing yourself in circles, I don’t even care anymore, I realized that I have your money for now, I don’t care anymore what you think or have to say, nothings going to change, and I’m selfish and I know it, but I don’t care.

That’s not how a proud person acts.

Call it ignorance, sweeping it under the rug, what ever you like. All I know is I’m getting mine and in a few short years I’ll be proving you fuckers wrong about me.

You’re already accepting welfare. You’ve already proven yourself. Now, no matter what happens in your life, you didn’t do it on your own. You did it with welfare money. In a way, the only ones vindicated of anything will be us. If you fail, it will be your failure. But if you succeed? It won’t really be your success, will it?

Do you all seriously think we are proud to be on welfare?

Yeah, actually, I think you are. You’ve convinced yourselves that it is normal and that it is the only path to success.

So I say, why not? Being a full time student and mother doesn’t allow me to work (which I’ve explained before).

Why did you get pregnant? Why are you giving me a sob story that you created for yourself? It’s not an excuse.

Should I get off welfare just to make you happy? No.

No. You should get off of welfare because it is the right thing to do.

Unless you like to see me and my son go homeless (which I am sure you don’t want to wish upon anyone, right?) I am going to accept what ever they give me.

No, I wouldn’t wish homelessness upon you or your young one. Why have you convinced yourself that government money is your only option?

Google this…

Whitney, I urge you not to put your name out there. I know you’ve got nothing to hide and whatnot, but it’s not really a smart thing to do. Just stay anonymous. You’re young and there are a lot of crazies out there in the world.

If you want, I’ll take it out of your comment. It wouldn’t be a big deal.

Whitney said, And its not my fault you don’t have a choice, thats your fault. Don’t complain to me.

It’s my fault that you take my money through government force?

You’re not a bright one.

And also I didn’t take away anyones choice.

Every time you cash your welfare check you’re taking away someone else’s choice. Do you have to be reminded that the only way you got that money was because other people are forced to give it over? And if those people don’t pay, they get taken to jail. If they refuse to go to jail, the government will kill them. That’s the force that collects the money.

You seem so naively unaware of this reality.

But I’m sorry to inform you that this money is burning a hole in my pocket and instead of studying for my finals this week (which according to most is a lost cause because no matter what us Native Americans do, welfare is still ruining our lives) I think I’ll just go pick up my son and head out to Minot to the Zoo and go buy him some much needed new shoes. Maybe we can stop by Rob’s for lunch and maybe he can observe how clean we are and how good we smell and how clean and new my car is and smart and articulate my 2 year old is. But maybe even that wouldn’t be up to anyones standards. Sorry if me mentioning this money is making anyone feel bad, but I gotta go spend some. Until next time……

Mistake–

While you’re pondering that question, why don’t you give us your real name? What do you have to hide? Right?

You made this up–

In other words – we must not speak of the truth again. It might hurt someone’s feelings.

You seem to think it okay to making falsing accusations–

I can only conclude that you are the very ignorant one who should do some more researching before making such false accusations.

Something else you made up–

Some of you people are standing on your heads and telling the rest of the world that it is upside down.

That is just a few of your ridiculousness, likwidshoe.

Creasy: Good response!

Last week talking to a black woman, I said that in my six decades of life I have seen racism decrease significantly in this country and the lives for people of so-called racial groups and sub-groups improve greatly, on average. Although she is quite successful and never at her place of employment, in her home town or at church has she has been treated with much if any discrimination, she insists that nothing has changed in the past 60+ years in America, nothing at all. Why? She has been sold a lie of victimhood and racism that, pardon the pun, colors everything she sees in life with the idea she is inferior to others or hated because of her so-called racial group. No facts to the contrary will ever change her mind, because she has been spoon fed this victimhood agenda by the Left as long as she has been alive.

The point is: 1. In my lifetime racism has decreased significantly in America. Not wiped out by any means, but no longer a real barrier to anyone choosing to cast off the idea of victimhood and desiring to succeed. 2. This woman has succeeded despite her accepting the lie of her being a victim, proving she was not a victim at all. 3. Those still wallowing in the idea of victimhood; that is, feeling hated because of their race, for the most part use it as a crutch and a means to explain their own personal failures in life. 4. There is not a succesful minority person in this country that has succeeded until and unless they refused to play the victim. What your young friends need to know is this; they don’t need anyones help concentrating on the perceived racial barriers in their lives or accepting them as being real; but they do need to take personal responsibility for their lives and choose to succeed, leaving victimhood behind them. But, with money and power being at stake in keeping such people feeling dissatisfied and feeling victimized, thus garnering their votes and support; the Left will not be there to help in any real way, because the success of minorities is not in the Left’s best interests.

Hi Whitney

Neiman, where did I say you were racist? I didn’t. That word is really getting old. I don’t care who is racist and who isn’t. What I care about is standing up for what I believe is right.

Thanks for signing your piece, FH!
Proof on May 3, 2007 at 04:05 pm

It wasn’t a signature, stupid.

I was referring to you.

Misty C asked, Likwidshoe, why am I an idiot?

That’s a good question. I’m glad you want to know. That’s the first step towards improving yourself.

Because I have an opinion that does not agree with yours? Because you have your head buried so far up Rob’s ass that you can’t see things for yourself?

You’re an idiot for asking these questions and making these assumptions. They’ve already been answered ad nauseum.

You keep saying we want our people to live on “the government’s tit”. When did we ever say that?

I don’t know. When did I ever say that? You need to get the story straight, because I’ve never said that.

We give examples of how we are educating our people to improve their lives, but that means nothing to you.

It doesn’t? What else supposedly means nothing to me? Please do tell.

You keep saying that we don’t want people to know about the dire situations on the reservation.

I’ve never said that. But now that you mention it, it does make sense given your behavior.

We certainly don’t need people like you who really don’t give two shits about US, all you care about is the government money.

Why do I have to care about you? I just want you to live your life on your own just as I will mine. My life is too busy with other concerns to worry about you. Sorry.

On the converse, why wouldn’t I worry about the government money spent? It is, after all, taken out of my paycheck. I give my time that goes towards your reservation. It demands my concern.

And if you “don’t need people like you”, why are you taking my money?

I hate to break it to you but there are FAR MORE non-Indians sucking on the government’s tit than Indians.

I’m well aware. We call it the “Great Society”. This horrendous system has infected many groups of people.

We are just a small percentage of this country’s population. Why aren’t you writing articles about them?

We are. There are thousands upon thousands of articles of just that topic here at this website alone. Why aren’t you paying attention to what we do say?

Why aren’t you visiting their homes?

Why would I visit their homes? Do I have to do this before I’m allowed to talk? What kind of requirement is that?

Obviously people know what the situation is on the reservation when the media uses every opportunity to expose our faults…

What are you talking about? I live in the mid-west. We don’t see those kinds of stories highlighting problems on Indian reservations.

King Rob certainly didn’t miss the opportunity to jump on the media bandwagon to point out the negative.

What media bandwagon? You guys are a protected PC group. That’s the only bandwagon I know of. Why are you calling him “King Rob”? That seems kind of immature.

But why is it that you never hear about the good things our people have done?

Good things? Then why are you bitching? Start telling us the good things! (This has already been said by others here.)

How do you know things haven’t improved on the reservation? The all-powerful, ever-knowing Rob made one trip (or maybe multiple trips) for 15 hours. 15 hours? Give me a damn break! Suddenly he’s the expert on what we’ve experienced for our entire lives!!!!!

Calm down. He’s never claimed to be an expert. He’s been upfront and honest in that these were his observations. (Pointing a relevant fact like that out earns me the title of “butt kisser” from some.)

Our reservations have made tremendous progress over the past 20 years (I guess Rob wouldn’t know that though since he only spent 15 hours there.)

It’s irrelevant. The reservations are still in dire straits.

We are making progress without the likes of you fools.

No you’re not. The reservations suck up a lot of federal money. You’re not doing it without the likes of me.

I’m “getting rude” by telling you to mind your own damn business.

Once again: I’d love to “mind my own damn business”. Stop taking my money.

Then please tell me what you are when you tell me to “shut the fuck up” and call me an “assuming little bitch”. Grow up!!

You’ve assumed all manner of ill things about me. Just read above. About half of my responses are correcting your erroneous assumptions. Really, at that point, I would like you to just shut the fuck up. You do nothing but bitch, moan, and make up slurs against those who disagree with you. It’s really sad to watch.

Misty–You are one smart lady. How did you every pull yourself out the depths of hell known as the reservation? You are one of the few lucky ones. However, I am sure you must be lying because according to likwidshoe–we are all welfare queens who continue to have bastard children with who knows where the fathers are!!! LOL

By the way, likwidshoe, why don’t you try acting like an adult instead of high school student (as you once told someone else). It is getting a bit ridiculous how often you put peoples’ full names on the blog. At one point you said to respect your choice for anonymity, why don’t you try some respect yourself. If a person chooses to put their name on here, it should be there choice to post it…not yours.

What’s wrong with the Gadsden flag? It’s a symbol of our revolution. You know, the one in which we threw off the tyranny of the British monarch? Freedom fighters? Individualists shirking the yoke of too much government?

Rob, show me anywhere in this sacred blog site where you are fighting tyranny, defending individuality and feedom? You’re such an anathema.

Warszawa, you’re right on. Keep up the good work.

Rob, keep trying. Maybe one day you’ll get it right.

RaeMarie70 said, So that makes it okay for you to do it?

Yes.

I haven’t been rude.

I disagree. But, it’s not really important.

Lik, You are abusing your administrative privelage on this blog. You have access to my email address and admit it on the site. You gave the information to the rest of the bone heads on your site. Now you did a little research to ID me (you got most of that wrong!) Rae and Whitney, they have all your information also.

What a bunch of rags!

If anyone needs help with condescending bull, you can just see likwidshoe. He is very good at it.

I will take a comprehension class if you take a human relations class. I think you need to be reminded about life outside your comfort zone. I’ll bring back what I learned and you can do the same.

RaeMarie70 said, No, likwidshoe, you’re a moron because you point fingers at others’ mistakes and get defensive about your own.

What mistakes have I made? Please list them.

You don’t use your real name because you don’t want people to google you—LOL—what makes you think people would want to google you?

Thanks for the insult.

Since when is it racist to think it wrong and undeserving to bash an entire race based on a few.

Who is bashing an entire race based on a few? Please point it out.

I, along with many others, have worked our asses off to become who we are…educated, tax-paying, home owning, productive AMERICAN INDIAN citizens of this country. I can see how that would tick you off. You want us to cower in the corner and accept defeat.

This is an erroneous assumption. You are projecting evil that isn’t there upon us.

If I have to stop and correct idiots while on my way, then I will. Say what you will, but it won’t stop me from pointing out how ridiculous you sound.

All you’re doing is making erroneous assumptions. You not only read into Rob’s article and read things that weren’t there, but you’ve also attributed all manner of evil intent towards us. The ridiculous one here is you.

If it is not in our language it didn’t exist!

“GOD”, Papal Bull, had sent them was the first justification for this mass murder. Yes, the Catholic Pope did give Europeans the authority to come to my country and civilize a people who already lived a life of an inherent respect for each other. We also respected the earth, we call her mother, and the skies we call him father. We had our own Jesus, do you think God could only have one son/daughter? It is a small world evidently contrived of even smaller minds. Native Americans do not write anything down but given gifts to remember. It is written religion that is forgotten resulting in personal interpretation to justify murder, greed and power. The bible is written in testament and any book has a beginning and an ending. It seems your people live for this ending. We can not preach to our children of this ending because it is terror and nightmares we inflict on our children. We understand that our children our gifts and we are only instruments trusted in their care. My child is not mine I am his or hers.

You know Rob, obviously, you need something better to do with your time. From what I can see, you sit at your computer and “blog” all day. You and the same people from your KKK type group blog and comment on everything that each of you write. It’s rather pathetic. I wish that I could sit around at the computer and “blog” all day. But then again, I don’t. I don’t really care what you think about the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation, because you are nobody. Rae, Misty, Andy L., and the rest of the people who aren’t your friends here are probably getting a good laugh at all this. It is rather funny. The only people getting mad here are you and your white supremist group of friends. Yes, you may think I am racist, but I am not, truly. But this is the way that you come off to people.

I haven’t been rude.

Proof:

How about people who are discriminated against for something else that is beyond their control? Like their age, or sex or their country of origin?
Race isn’t everything, except to those obsessed by it.

To answer your statement, they are all the same. If someone hates you because of your age, sex, country of origin, race, or sexual orientation.

The fault lies within the person filled with hate. They are the ones with the problem, not the person who is hated.

I have said over and over to the students and individuals I work with. The only person who can make you feel bad is yourself.

Our ancestors told us to LIVE. Our ancestors died so that we may live. GOD told them “We are to remain THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON EARTH!” Our ancestors told us live…survive. Some of us were starving as we ran from the soldiers. The Catholic churches would not harbor us until we become baptized. They would see us die! We listened to our ancestors we became baptized so that we could live.

I’m not talking to you Nieman.

brilliant professor!
Proof on May 3, 2007 at 04:10 pm

Like…you aint! lol

Funny! When I hear people talking about racial superiority and purity, I think of another Austrian who had similar ideas…

Proof, you are too funny! Who is talking about racial superiority and purity? Since when is it racist to think it wrong and undeserving to bash an entire race based on a few.

Was it also your Cristian duty to ask residents of this housing if they had spent more time in jail than out of jail? I recently attended a law conference where Judge Ralph Erickson currently the U.S. District judge in Fargo, North Dakota sited that Indian people sit in jails or prisons longer than most citizens of North Dakota for the same crimes. Do you have any remedies for this obvious disparity?

Right on! The problem is with the government. Now I’m not saying that some Native American’s shouldn’t be held accountable for the way they live, they should.

I don’t know if all people on assistance were given the same terms as I was, but I think if they weren’t they definitely should. There are some of us who are planning on getting off welfare and we are working towards that, like myself. It was explained to me that if I wasn’t going to college, that the New Jobs Program would be helping me and making me look for a job. If a job came up, I had to take it, no matter what. I signed and agreed.

I don’t think welfare should be totally taken away, but the same plan that they have for me should be offered to all, and if not, cut their damn heads off… I mean, welfare off… lol. Perhaps that could be some kind of alternative though, right? At least you know that the money isn’t being wasted.

A lot of people don’t know what’s happening on the reservations. Or they know, but don’t know how bad it is.

Did you take a poll and know this for a fact? Or are you saying it because it is justification for your article.

Because I disagree with your tactics you think that says that I want to sweep the problem under the carpet. Wrong! Try again!

.because pointing it out is racist or something.

Racist, racist, racist, blah, blah, blah!

I could give a rat’s ass if you are racist.

Since when is it racist to think it wrong and undeserving to bash an entire race based on a few.

And yet you do that to “white people” all the time, as if we are all the same. Doing that is racist all by itself.

Creasy: By your statement, I must assume you are one of those wallowing in your own sense of perpetual victimhood or believe others of what you would erroneously call racial groups in this country are victimized. Racsim exists to be sure, but no one can make you a victim of racism without your consent.

Too many people of every so-called racial group have succeeded in every level of our society for the idea of racism creating victims to be believed. It is comfortable when by our lack of drive, energy, desire and work ethic we can blame our personal failures in life on those ‘other’ people that victimized us, and if we are of a so-called minority racial group, well hell, it has to be because of racism. No its not! It is because we were unwilling and/or unable to pursue our dreams and succeed in life.

The Left has sold victimization to every group of people that can be identified in any shape, manner or form to have a difference from other group, an they sell the idea of their being the savior of these victimized people. It is all crap!

Rob,
Your article in the Dakota Beacon is not remedial. it contributes to ethnic hate. Your obviously using the tribes of Indian Country to promote yourself as a literary. When in fact your only a basement commentator! You do not have tribes consent to publish anything that is tribal. You and The Dakota beacon need to retract your comments!

And yet you do that to “white people” all the time, as if we are all the same.

Tell me how I do that to “white people” all the time. Please tell me where in my comments that I lumped all white people into a category.

Creasy said: “I not talking to you, Neiman!

Wow, I am stung by your increbile rapier wit and stinging repartee! HOW YOU IT?

Rob,
My family is in and from Belcourt. My mother a judge recently awarded by Janet Reno for being one of the co-founders of The national native American Judges Assoc. My father after WW II an engineer test top ten math nationwide before Indians could even go into bars legally in this country. I have three sisters who are Doctors, a doctor of med, a doctor of educ, a doctor of clinical psych,I have four brothers, an accomplished architectural engineer,BA of criminal justice and one with many degrees, myself am an accomplished artist and law student.I have a nephew BA from Yale and at Harvard at the moment getting his MD. My son is BA of clinical psych on on to get his MD. this are just a few on many Indians in my family living off welfare.

Rob:

And this is a tu quoqe fallacy. Because someone else uses straw man attacks it’s ok for you to do it.

Which is absurd, of course, but that’s the logic you’re using.

If I have done this in any of my postings, I truly apologize. I too would like to be taken seriously on this blog and debate the issues at hand.

Respect goes both ways.

The appalling state of “our” reservations.
Here is my response to “our” Rob and North Dakota.
Tribal sovereignty is but a stick in front of a tank; but to the individual Indian, and in some circumstances to outsiders, the wielder of the stick may be more powerful than any state or federal official. The Constitution of the United States restrains state and federal officials, but not tribal officials acting on behalf of a tribe in “Indian Country”. ….Among the rights guaranteed under ICRA are the rights of free speech and assembly, protection against unreasonable search and seizure, Rob, what were you doing in Belcourt

Who is talking about racial superiority and purity?

one more:
Andy L:

All you white boy monkeys!

I wish I could build homes worthy of their existence. Honor each and every one of my relatives from all corners of this North America with the lives dignified that they deserve.

And they just get nuttier and nuttier.

Get over yourself, Rob! It must be a wonderful life when you can go around pointing out awful things and say you are doing so because you want to help. What have really done to help the situation on the reservation? If you are as concerned as you say you are, then what have you done to change things? I ask this of all the bloggers who think the Indians need to get real jobs (since selling drugs doesn’t count) and stop living in filth.

You sure like to call people names, Rob. I am guessing that Gustafson doesn’t agree with you so he must be bad, bad, bad!

Lik, You can kiss my ass. You are a racist and a pig. You’re a toad and a troll. Everyone on the res is laughing at you! lol lol lol

One question. Rae Marie, pay attention! No one has asked yet, WHY WAS ROB PORT EVEN ON THE RESERVATION? WHAT WAS HE DOING THERE? WHAT WAS HIS PURPOSE? I’M SURE HE WASN’T DELIVERING DAKOTA BEACONS (CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN FILTH)! MAYBE HE WAS DELIVERING DRUGS! MAYBE CRANK! YOU KNOW ALL THE DELIVERIES COME FROM OFF THE RESERVATION! I WONDER HOW BIG A ROLL HE HAD ON HIM WHEN HE LEFT?

Has anyone said they saw Rob while he was in Belcourt? Who are these people? We need to find them and ask them what he was doing sneaking around the Barns! Any help, let me know.

Later.

Andy L asks, Lik, How do u know who I am?

I can see your e-mail address.

Get your facts straight. U don’t know me. U never will. And, I’m not unstable.

I beg to differ. You’ve already become unhinged in this thread. And you’re right, I’ll never know you. I don’t waste much time anymore on scumbags who level libelous charges. Incredibly, some wonder why most netizens go anonymous. Your behavior should put that question to rest.

But, u wouldn’t understand cuz ur not capable of listening to the truth.

I have no problems understanding. Nor listening.

2Hotel9
Are you sure my check is on the way? I am so excited! I can hardly wait to spend it! LOL

Unlike you, I am not afraid to have my name out there.

Actually, it’s not so much that I’m afraid to have my name out there. It’s more that I just don’t want to Google my name.

I live in Minnesota, YOU MORON!

Thanks for the insult. I’m a moron for not hanging on your every word.

Good reason to use a screen name – Andy Laverdure, the guy who has called me a “racist”, a “bigot”, a “pig”, a “toad” and a “troll”, was once arrested for a violent encounter. I don’t want that guy knowing my name. He’s probably unstable.

Tribes were “never conquered”! Conquered is a conjured word in the U.S. Constitution to give authority to give a body of immigrants supremacy. The United States Government modeled after our own Native American structure of governance post Columbus. Today many countries model this method of governance. Conquered is a word in the Constitution that gives a governing body legal authority to rule over a Nation Indigenous to a country. We, Indigenous of North America were never conquered. We continue to fight in our own way. We honor our ancestors who gave their lives for us in this way. We remember…with our language, our humble way of prayer, our traditional social gatherings called “pow-wows”, our inherent respect for the gifts around us and in a world that is measured by wealth in poverty we continue to take care and love our relatives. With all my heart, I shed tear for my relatives I love so dearly the relatives you write about and speak of so cruelly of at “The Old Housing” in The Turtle Mountains, and on the reservations where my heart is.

Likwidshoe, I’ll take your name calling lightly. I’m “getting rude” by telling you to mind your own damn business. Then please tell me what you are when you tell me to “shut the fuck up” and call me an “assuming little bitch”. Grow up!!

Lik, How do u know who I am? Are u positive that I work where u say I work? When was I ever violent? Was I convicted?

Get your facts straight. U don’t know me. U never will. And, I’m not unstable. But, u wouldn’t understand cuz ur not capable of listening to the truth.

The Alcohol, Meth and drug abuse that you accuse my people of is not only a problem of my people it is a problem Nation wide. It is a substance unnatural brought to this country from Europe. Alcohol introduced to my people when their bodies have not evolved to handle the chemical inflicting disease that causes death. It is genocide. When Columbus first came to this country he wrote ” these people love to laugh”. It is tears I shed as I write this.

A common reaction to the smallpox story is that it has to be folklore. Fact is on at least more than one occasion a high ranking Eur. considered infecting Indians with smallpox as a tactic of war. Lord Jeffrey Amherst & a subordinate discussed seriously sending infected blankets to hostile tribes. There are documents to prove it. Thanks to the research of Peter d’Errico, legal studies Professor at the univ. of Mass. at Amherst The exchange took place during Pontiacs Rebellion which broke out after the war in 1763. Pontiac was the chief of the Ottawa Amherst first raised the poss of giving Indians infected blankets in a letter to Col. Henry Bouquet who led reinforcements to Ft. Pitt. Amherst replied in a postscript. PS I will try to inoculate the Indians by means of blankets as well as every other method that can serve to extripate the exercable Race. I should be very glad your scheme for hunting them down…
Zsa Zsa on April 30, 2007 at 05:48 am
Good Job Zsa Zsa It is finals are due, I have little time….INDIAN PEOPLE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON EARTH

Rob,
Did you notice the roads on the Turtle Mountains? Our children get killed on those roads sometimes twice a week. Those roads are BIA roads. The BIA by treaty is supposed to be our paternalistic government trust doctrine. Every dollar the Government sends to the BIA for tribes 32 cents is reverted into Tribal development.

Ken,

I think its from “Super Chief.” Marvel put it out a few years ago after the demise of the Silver Surfer. Very limited readership, so they killed him off after six months, in a fierce battle with the ghosts of some Quaker settlers.

Because the truth is ugly.
likwidshoe on May 3, 2007 at 06:46 pm

Yes, it is ugly. That’s why all you assholes are getting so angry at us Indians. You didn’t realize we wouldn’t cower at your spew!

Rave on, little boy!

I already know why Rob was on the reservation. Steve Cates said he was looking for criminals.

We do not have to feel sorry for you, Rae. You feel sorry for yourself, and that diminishes you. Take heart! 1st of the month is near, and your “check” is on it’s way, most assuredly.

Who said there weren’t problems? It certainly wasn’t me.
You call me any names you like. Keep up the good work, 2Hotel9! I can hardly see what you have to say next.

x, you are here, no need to bring on any crazies. andy has the racist scumbag slot filled. Between you the moron slot is quite effectively filled. Y’all are so special.

warszawaawaa, just keep cashing that welfare check, it appears to be the best you can accomplish.

You are so funny 2Hotel9! How do you come up with this stuff? You should take it on the road!

How would you know if I feel sorry for myself? What would I have to feel sorry for? Because I am Indian? Because I have a college education? Because I have job? Because I don’t let people like you get by with saying idiotic things?

Thanks for letting me know the check is the mail. DId you send it to the right address?

Carrick-

Isn’t Rob part of the media, didn’t his blog get published in newspapers?

You stated:

the popular media are responsible for perpetuating negative stereotypes of Amerindians among ordinary people.

With this comment you validated my earlier point:

The thing that bothers me is that so many will read this article and think this is how all Native Americans are like. People tend to believe things that are in the newspaper and on television without really thinking about it.

First of all Kudos to Rae Marie for standing up for what she believes in, her people. Misty Condiff: Don’t tell your husband that you hate white people! He might get mad!
To all the people of the Turtle Mountains: Don’t bother with this man. This is obviously what he wants, to get a rise out of people. Who is he suppose to be anyway? He sure has lots of time on his hands. May be he is on welfare! I looked at his picture on the internet. Since everyone here is calling names, I would like to say that maybe Rob should go on food stamps. Maybe he would lose some weight. You can respond and say what you like, because I don’t give a big fat rat’s ass (Rob’s).
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, Proof! I’ll remember that next time. Honestly, though, do you?

Yes, I can see how you would think Andy was being negative considering he disagrees with you. If you aren’t with us, then you’re against seems to be the mentality for the bloggers on sayanythingblog.

I know, I know. I am perpetuating us vs. them with my comment.

Janel has spoken. Free speech is at an end. No more interaction is allowed.

Can you say “Balkanization”? I doubt it.

Creasy, I think the best way to expose stereotypes and bust them is to discuss them publicly, not pretend they don’t exist, or in some cases may have some basis in fact.

maybe he could have mentioned it in the article, and I suspect he will in the followup.

But with the short amount of time and space to do the article he talked about what he’d like to see changed.

My normal smart alec self would normally have written that you don’t want to see those things changed. But since you probably wouldn’t have seen my sarcasm I’ll say that everyone wants to see the reservation lifted out of poverty.

I am pretty sure that I never said I was angry with what you said. I said that I was offended. There is a difference.

Okay, Rob, you aren’t a doctor, social worker, or politician. Then what are you? You must do something else besides write. What else are you going to do to help? I go to work everyday to make a difference. I physically, mentally, and emotionally do something. I don’t just give suggestions because suggestions don’t mean anything unless you have actions to back them up.

My problem is with those who continue to say they are concerned, but do nothing to make a difference. Debating on a blog isn’t going to change anything for that child who was running around with shorts, parka, and no shoes on. Words are nothing but words. Without actions, they mean nothing.

Andy L came up with an honest question, Whistler, on one hand, when talking about treaty rights, you say we need to obey the letter of those treaties and then on the other, when talking about Minnesota Indian treaty rights You say “I don’t know anything about that stuff and I don’t care”.

Which is it?

It’s both.

If you don’t care, then why the hell are you even bothering?

The contracts should be honored. It’s not much of a bother to say that.

I don’t care if you call me delusional, vomiting, or an asshole.

Rob hasn’t called anyone that.

Myron what has he said besides saying that he feels bad for those people on the reservation living in poverty, expressing concern for them and suggesting that the blame lies with the federal government?

If you want to find out the good that is happening in Indian Country why don’t you start reading some of the newspapers that are available online. They are free and they are available to all.

Rae, how many folks get an education and find success off of the reservation? (I’m sure they still consider it home just like my family that’s moved consider ND home)

RaeMarie70 said, likwidshoe–How wonderful your life must be to sit in judgement of those around you?

Is that a question?

It doesn’t matter how many times he continues to deny that he didn’t mean everybody that lives on the reservation lives the conditions he described. He wrote the article and that is what it implies because he doesn’t say anything else about anyone else.

So why are you here if it doesn’t matter what Rob says next? Are you here just to bitch and moan?

Hmmmmm….Oh yeah, taking everything away hasn’t worked for the non-Indian sector of this country. Got any other ideas because I believe that this one is in the process of failing right now for most of the people below the poverty line who live in the US.

What are you talking about? You’re making things up. The places in this country with the greatest amount of generational poverty are places where the “Great Society” is supposedly taking care of them. Generations get worse under government care.

I wouldn’t go to your house and tell you how to fix what is wrong. Please offer us the same courtesy.

They don’t compare. I’m not sucking on the government tit. You guys are. Until that is changed, get used to people having opinions about how their money (it’s emboldened because it is important!) is spent.

likwidshoe–Why is Misty Condiff a racist for giving her opinion of how she sees Rob and her husband?

Are you dense? I explained this one already. She said that white skin is a “fault”.

You defend Rob for giving his opinion of how he sees the reservation which could be racist considering it was written by a White person.

Goodness! You’re lost. This is racist thinking, RaeMarie70, and it is coming out of your mouth.

You can’t have your cake and eat it, too. Based on your comments, either both Misty and Rob are racists or they both are not.

Once again you are comparing two things that differ in key areas. Misty sees white skin as a fault. Rob doesn’t really give two-shits about skin color. They don’t compare.

When you said our taxes, how was I to know that you were including people on the reservation? To me, “our” meant you and those like you.

And really, that’s where the majority of our misunderstanding comes from. It all stems from yours (and others) insistence on making this an us versus them issue.

I was commenting to Proof, not you about the casino issue. He is the one who seems angry.

When you said our taxes, how was I to know that you were including people on the reservation? To me, “our” meant you and those like you.

I think that if people are going to sit at home, smoke weed, not work or get education, be drunk, pop out kids left and right, not clean their homes, and not take care of responsibilites, then they should not be entitled to assistance.

Agreed. I would like you to quantify what percentage of people fall into this category. Put it in perspective.

Now we know that these problems exist other places–particullarly in the minority communities (regardless of minorities). If Native Americans had gangsta rappers, it would be the same story the African American community tells.

If you go back, Rob has said numerous times that these same problems that he describes about the reservation system apply to almost all public housing projects and particullarly to the “victims” of Katrina that lined up to have government take care of them at the Superdome. They would say how beautiful New Orleans is and ignore the rampant violence and drug crimes that were there both prior to Katrina and after. But unless we talk about the issues and point out the problems, they get glossed over.

I am happy that you are choosing to go to college and further your education. I am certain that a significant portion of the population wants a better life. It is precisely your initiative that is encouraging. And it is also your recognition that many others do not share you initiative.

I hope that you can differentiate Rob’s comments directed at those that you recognize as being part of the problem as being an indictment of their lifestyle and dependence on government, not as a racist statement about “all Indians”. But many of the comments here have focused on “the beauty of Belcourt” or the wonderful lifestyle or of family values or of whatever else.

There is no need to defend all African Americans simply because you are black. Listen to Bill Cosby. There is no obligation to defend the lazy, ignorant, uneducated, etc., simply because they are Indians and you happen to be too. We are people first and poverty and apathy transcend race, color, heritage, culture, etc. But the Reservations and Housing projects represent the absolute worst of poverty and unemployment and something needs to be done. To label Rob as a racist for pointing out how much worse these problems are in the Reservation system or the Public Housing projects and claim that he hates blacks or Indians or whoever is not right.

What is the answer you propose? More jobs? More programs? Do you really believe that if there were more jobs these folks would jump up and say, “We would much rather work than sit on our asses and smoke pot and drink.” They are given enough handouts to survive and until the handouts end and they are forced to do something different, they will not. The current system has built this system of dependence on government and is perpetuating it. I know it seems mean spirited to point it out and to propose difficult cures, but the easy ones have all been tried and failed.

BTW…since you started this uproar, how much did you get paid for these putdowns, to get it broadcasted nationwide? You sit here ripping into the Native people and then you make a killing off the profits? Hmmmm very interesting and a way to make not only the headlines all over the country, but hoping to gain a name as well. Interesting!

Toot, as long as andy can sell his drugs and collect a welfare check to boot he don’t give a fuck about other people suffering. That just makes him mone