I Love that show! IF I ever get into a fight I am going to use the Cordell Walker moves!

And Iron, their evidence amounted to one anonymous phone call with no physical evidence (at this point) that there was any truth to the call. We don’t even know at this point that the call even came from the compound. Based on what is known , it could even have been somebody making trouble for people who aren’t (in their eyes) “living right”.

Gary who stole millions? The mothers of those children?

investigators “observed a number of young teenaged girls who appeared to be minors and appeared to be pregnant,” the affidavit states, as well as young teens who had already given birth.

Obviously, something isn’t right. Fact, something is terribly wrong if you have the above situation.

I understand that this is a world of hurt for these people.

But their lifestyle is not acceptable and Texas is way late in putting a stop to it. For that cause the hurt is maximized.

They have stolen millions from you in transfer payments and you’re pissed at the government for finally doing something?

So why did it take an anonymous phone call to identify this program.

Apparently the welfare department knew enough to know what was going on and didn’t turn this over.

How about we prosecute them for being accomplices? [hyperbole]

So if some one calls and says they are going to commit suicide and the police get there and no one answers the door I guess the police should just leave because there is no proof any ones in there to commit the suicide.

No but I don’t see any reason to show up in a tank. Furthermore if they check it out and the guy is OK there’s no reason to take him away for his own good.

Taking all of the kids away from their families is an extreme action not justified by what the public now knows.

RZ:

We are in the midst of Communism and many do not see it.
The family unit is one of the first to go. This “judge” as well as a few others I have seen have a problem. We have a problem.

The Truth:

The 55-year-old Republican judge has been thrown into the limelight with the biggest case she has presided over. Those who know her say she’s the right person for the job.

“I cannot think of any judge who is better qualified and better prepared and better suited to handle a thing of this magnitude,” said Rob Junell, a former Democratic state representative from San Angelo and now U.S. district judge in Midland. “She’s the kind of person you’d want to be the judge in this type of case.”

So you’ve got commies infiltrating your gop, RZ?

Well said, Pilgrim. They may be overplaying their hand.

On the other hand, the age of consent in Texas is 17, and the girls in this area are being married off at 13 or so. Add that to the reality that a large proportion of the moms are committing welfare fraud by not revealing that dad is there to support them, and we might find that the vast majority of kids here WILL be separated from their parents for a time due to the issues of statutory rape and welfare fraud.

It’s a scary reality.

shaunaw,

You’re making two different cases.

Yes, in most cases the police should make entry into the house to see if an attack has taken place or if someone has committed suicide.

But if someone in a crowded gym or a theater is supposed to have committed a crime do you take everyone there into custody (protective ot otherwise) until you find out who did it?

That’s the difference.

Guys,

The call was most likely a fraud. An arrest has been made in Colorado. See my new post at the top of the page.

I too am having a problem with this, especially since this is happening in my beloved state. Either CPS is keeping a lot of damning evidence close to their chest or they are out of control. Unfortunately, as much as I would prefer to defend those who enforce our laws (i.e. various flavors of LEOs), CPS has a shoddy track record in just about every county and every state in this great nation. Of course, when a whole government agency is invented just to enforce a few dozen laws, they have to find some way of justifying their existence whether they can find a true crime or have to invent one.

I wearily await the evidence to be presented and the judge’s ruling. Hopefully, the judge has her head screwed on straight and will rip CPS a new one if their only evidence is an anonymous phone call from an alleged 16 year old rape victim.

It will be interesting if we ever do find out the story in it’s entirety. There are a lot of wrongs compared to rights and hopefully it’s straighten out quickly.
I have to add though, if the state leaves those children and something unthinkable happens then the blame falls on the gov’t. and if the state takes the children and nothing happens the blame goes to the gov’t. It’s a mess for sure

What the heck! I have been in a close situation years ago and I can not believe any one would except what is happening in these places. Proof? Teenagers with 2 or more kids from overage men? What more proof do you need? Come on people if you think they are so right then take your daughters and live there, personally I would lay down my life to make sure my daughter was out of those situations. The beautiful children have no choices in their lives, is that what you want for your children?

shuanaw,

Explain the removal of the children from the mothers. Look, I don’t like this creepy cult any more than anyone else, but the state needs evidence that these children were being abused or were likely to be abused before taking them away from both parents. If there are a couple of men in this group who were molesting children, then prosecute those men and prosecute the mothers of those children if they were complicit in the molestation. Certainly, not every man and every mother was involved in abusing children. If, and only if, that were the case would the state be justified in removing all of the children. As it is, we only know of one man, Warren Jeffs, who has been convicted of anything.

So if some one calls and says they are going to commit suicide and the police get there and no one answers the door I guess the police should just leave because there is no proof any ones in there to commit the suicide. And if someone calls the police and says their being attacked and the police get there and can’t get any one to answer the door they should just leave, I guess every one wants a tradgedy to happen, must there be a death before police have the right, then when that happens they get blamed for not doing something in the first place.

There is a presumption at work here that the families of all 416 of those kids were engaging in child abuse up to and including rape and molestation.

Maybe the state feels that these particular religious fundamentalists are delusional and therefore a danger to their own children?

For if these people knew about this type of behavior, subjecting themselves to this danger intentionally would surely be reason enough to take them away.

shuanaw,

I’m not going to respond to your further analogy because 1) it doesn’t apply and 2) you’re grasping at straws.

You may know how these communities work, but unless you know how this community works then I suggest that you have no more information than any of us do. If you do happen to know how this community works, then please do give us details and please offer yourself up as a witness for the prosecution.

Until further evidence is offered, I will remain weary of the actions of CPS in this case. So far, your expert opinion aside, the actual evidence does not justify ripping away all 416 children from both parents. I’m willing to believe that an investigation was warranted if the anonymous phone call originated from within the ranch itself, but doesn’t include bringing in armored personnel carriers, SWAT teams, and removing all the children without probable cause.

How do you know it wasn’t anymous, as you say, what if someone calls from a pay phone and says they are being attacked? No name just HELP! No one should even bother? I believe they do need to talk to the children but as I said I know how these “communities work”. The children have no choices, a strong person makes their own right choices (and sometimes wrong), and I would want my child to learn to make choices, not babies, at the age of 13 and 14.

I’m not 100% certain on this, but from what I understand, CPS went in with Texas DPS and the county sheriff looking for that one girl, based on what they found once they got in (and I don’t know what that was), they went to a a judge to expand the search warrant. As the search of the compound expanded, that was when they went to a judge to get a court order allowing the removal of the kids. I learned a lot about what it takes to get one of those court orders approved from watching what my wife had to do, and they’re pretty specific about there needing to be something beyond just a feeling that something is wrong.

So initially, this was about one kid possibly in danger. Something they found in their first visit led to the expanded search, and the eventual removal of the kids. To me, that doesn’t sound like some going off half-cocked. They reacted based on what information they had and what they found. And yes it is possible that all 416 kids could have been in danger, although, even I’ll admit that beyond their programming, I’m not sure what could have been done to the boys beyond physical beatings or neglect. Ever since Warren Jeffs lowered the age for the ‘spiritual marriages’ down to puberty, every girl their was under threat of statutory rape. I was hoping to learn more today, but it looks like it has turned into a three ring circus at the court house.

One personal observation that I made to my wife last night was that it’s almost a misnomer to call this group polygamists, since they are not legally married to anyone outside of their first wife. There will not be a single charge of polygamy leveled against anyone associated with this group.

I may sound angry to you, I am not! I do not believe much in our countries “system” anymore just like many of you. I do however believe in giving every child a chance of a better future. Like I said, yes they do need to talk to every child, and I did not say they should take every child away from their mother, but they need to make sure the child is in a safe place before giving them back. And who’s to say maybe some of them don’t want to go back, if they are old enough to have children shouldn’t they be old enough to make that choice?

Not as of 18:54 this date. They can not even produce their “informant”.

There is more to the situation than what is being made public.
To skirt the law, men in the FLDS take one wife legally and the rest “spiritually.” In other words, this situation gives the benefit of qualifying all the extra spiritual wives (and litters) for welfare, since the law sees these unwed mothers as classic examples of need. “Bleeding the beast” is how the FLDS refers to this practice of defrauding the government. It’s considered a virtue. Bleeding the Beast is a law to follow for this (so called) church.
This cult scams gov’t money by breeding the unwed mothers to produce more money making offspring to provide continuous money for the sect.
Majority of these people receive gov’t funds through medical, food stamps, WIC, childcare etc.
The only people who do not qualify are legally married couples and their kids. (Well, until the female child is raped, becomes pregnant and is now “in need” of welfare.)
Millions of additional dollars are being taken through various gov’t programs to fund buildings, water treatment plants, roads and more. THEY ARE RUNNING A SCAM!!!

No crime has been proven. No convictions handed down.

Nobody’s even been CHARGED have they?

The government had enough information to realize that they had to go in and protect those young girls. What to do you want for proof before you act? It is apparent brain washing had been going on, I saw on either CNN or Fox news four women who had left one of these places, and they were unanimous in their answers to young girls 12 and younger having sex with the older men.
I suppose you would wait another couple of years hoping that some 12 year old who was raped would come forward, meanwhile more young girls are getting brainwashed, and their loving mothers are telling them its Gods plan and wish for them to consent.
The goverment had to save these children, anything less would be an approval of what was going on in there, if you disagree then you must be one of them.

Just because the witness hasn’t stepped forward, doesn’t mean their are any. Brainwashing can take years to correct, how long did it take Patty Hearst to wake up to the truth?

Iron Mountain:

Did you actually read my original article above? I never said it wasn’t happening to some degree, and I said if it is it needs to be met with the full power of the law.

What I also said was it was flat out WRONG to take all those kids away from their parents on the basis of one anonymous call.

What part of that is difficult to understand?

Yep. That is how the American legal system works. Anonymous accusation, followed by immediate punishment, followed by trial, followed by investigation. Joseph Stalin must be so proud.

Iron Mountain: Really?? Can you link us to that proven fact? So far, all I know is that there was an ‘anonymous’ phone call.

BTW: Our nation was founded by ‘government doubters’.

On the positive side, at least they didn’t burn them up as they did in Waco.

So why did it take an anonymous phone call to identify this program.

Exactly! And… people should be down right pissed, huh?
That’s my point, all this fraud has to stop and stopping it, via massive exposure, on what could be considered a corporate equation as the FLDS runs it… I say go for it!

It just so happens that I live in west Texas and the news here has identified the woman and I believe I saw that Texas Rangers took her into custody. They showed a picture of her and I believe she was in Colorado. They arrested her for false allegations. OR something like that??? Pretty weird! It sounds like something is very wrong with the entire ordeal.

Wise up people. This is how they acted in Nazi Germany. This is religious persecution. These children need to be returned to their mothers today! If the people of Texas allow this to happen in their state it can happen to anyone in the state. Speak out LOUDLY against this.

Anna,

Everything you said may be true, but that is not CPS’s realm of responsibility. The problem that I have is not the enforcement of our laws, but the lack of evidence that justifies removing all 416 children from their mothers and fathers. CPS has yet to identify even a victim.

Here is my fear as a father of five children. Some person makes an anonymous phone call to CPS in my county, falsely accusing my wife or myself of some form of child abuse. CPS bureaucrats, in their infinite wisdom, come to my house, rip my children from our home, and then take their sweet time justifying their actions.

Something like this has already happened to me. My oldest child, who is from my previous marriage, was included in a molestation allegation by one her cousins from her mother’s husband’s family. This child claimed that her step father molested her and several other kids including my daughter. CPS did not contact us not did they ask for our permission or help before they just took my daughter out of school. My ex-wife went to pick up my daughter from school and only then found out from the school staff that my daughter was removed from school by CPS. After we contacted them, they, without apologizing, told us we could come and wait at their “child advocacy center” while they continued to interview our daughter without our permission or presence. When we arrived there, we were made to wait in an interview room where none of the people there could tell us where our daughter was, how long it would take, or even why they had our daughter. All that they would tell us is that, yes, she was there. I was busy contacting a lawyer when we were finally told what the whole thing was about. So, without being accused of anything or even implicated in any way, my rights as a parent were completely trashed by these bureaucrats who did not even apologize for scaring the bejesus out of my ex-wife by not contacting her to let her know that our daughter was not in school but in their custody. (BTW, my daughter was adamant that nothing happened to her and the dates and times given by the accuser made it impossible for my daughter to have been molested. Trust me, I would have thankful to CPS, though still leery of their actions, had it been otherwise.)

Now, if you want to talk about welfare fraud then let’s talk about that. But even that does not justify removing the children unless both parents are in prison.

I agree Zsa Zsa. The entire situation seems odd, but on both sides.
I just hope the true makes it to the public so justice can be done where deserved.

This has turned into a horror
for everyone involved.