The Most Honest Thing Mitt Romney Has Said All Year

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Yesterday evening news broke of comments made by Mitt Romney at a closed fundraiser back in May. During the fundraiser Romney talked of the high number of people who are dependent on the government, and the likelihood that they’d vote for Obama.

Here it is again in case you missed it:

A transcript of the key quote:

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…

“And I mean the president starts off with 48, 49 … he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to convince the five to ten percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not.”

At Bloomberg, Josh Barro writes that this is a disaster. At Hot Air, Ed Morrissey is more circumspect, noting that elections don’t hinge on a single verbal gaffe.

I don’t know how Romney’s comments will play out in terms of the election, but we should pause for a moment to reflect on their truth.

We can argue about Romney’s numbers – the 47% of the electorate he talks about which pays no income taxes undoubtedly does pay other forms of taxes – but the rising tide of dependence on government is troubling. We have record levels of food stamp enrollment. We have record levels of people collecting disability through Social Security. But it’s not just entitlement programs which are our problem.

The government doles out huge subsidies to companies – solar, wind, etc. – with few hopes of ever being independent of those subsidies. And those companies employ workers who are no doubt looking to vote to keep those subsidies flowing. Public sector unions don’t want to see their ranks diminished by cuts to government. Farmers don’t their crop insurance programs cut. Big corporations don’t want their corporate welfare ended. Local political leaders don’t want their earmarks cut.

And on and on. Romney’s lament, though he only pointed to the number of Americans no longer on tax rolls, was an accurate one. Our federal government and its out-of-control spending growth is so enthralled by thousands of different flavors of parochialism that we have little hope of ever fixing the problem until some swath of the electorate is willing to let their “ox” be gored in the name of the greater good.

Our federal government is spending a trillion more dollars per year than it takes in revenue, a deficit that is impossible to make up with tax hikes, but a big chunk of the electorate is going to vote for the guy who promises to keep the gravy train rolling.

That was Romney’s point, and he’s right.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • igx

    What it comes down to is if they don’t get GDP up and do some cutting, they re going to have to resort to wealth taxation–which won’t work. Obama can’t and won’t do ANYTHING to get private sector GDP up. He’s too stupid and ideological.

    • Bat One

      I’m not sure just how “stupid” Obama is. Certainly not as much so as his more vocal supporters. But like other “progressive” Democrats he is clueless about economics and all but dysfunctional when it comes to numbers and arithmetic.

      • borborygmi

        This is todays politics, my stupid candidate has said some stupid things but they aren’t as stupid as you stupid candidate. Mitt wins does well and signals a death knell for the Conservatives……ahhhhhhhhhh

  • mikemc1970

    Gaffe? What gaffe? It’s the truth. 47% of Americans don’t pay any income taxes, so of course they’re not going to like a president who will be looking at whether they should. I’m sure the left believes they have some sacred talisman of a gaffe that will save their Dear Leader now so we’ll have to listen to them bluster for a few days until Obama goes off prompter again.

    • Davo

      I thought Republicans generally wanted fewer Americans to pay income tax.

      • robert108

        Wrong again. Real Americans want fair taxation, not the class warfare tax policies of the Democrats, who want nothing more than to use the tax system for their redistribution desires. If the Democrats had their way, those they label as “the rich” would pay all the taxes, the the rest of the population would live off of what the govt chooses to give them.
        It’s the Marxist utopia, where the ruling elite own all the stuff and dole it out to “the proletariat”.

        • borborygmi

          What tax rates are we under right now. Bush’s?

          • robert108

            Yes, fortunately, they are sensibly low, but all the other taxes, fees and regulations imposed by obama are giving us a stagnant economy. Romney alluded to income tax only; our total taxes have skyrocketed since Pelosi/Reid seized power, and have continued under obama.

          • Guest

            Now you are just making stuff up….again

      • mikemc1970

        I want no income taxes at all. We could raise all we needed with a national sales tax if we could get the Federal government to stop trying to be our nanny.

  • reggy

    Nuke Medicare/Medicaid, nuke Social Security, cut defense spending in half. There, budget’s down 50%, problem solved.

    • robert108

      No, impose standards on all the social spending programs, and enforce them, while cutting the pensions and wages of public sector unionists back to the level of the taxpayers the pay them. Out of control public sector pension demands are sinking the ship.
      As a result of obama’s spineless foreign policy, we will need to increase defense spending, just like we had to after Carter and Clinton.

  • SigFan

    The truth hurts. And while Romney may have stated his case more elegantly as he tried to explain, he has nothing to apologize for or explain. Speaking the truth, no matter how hard it is to hear or how many might be offended by it is the right thing to do. And Romney and his campaign need to tune into the fact that after four years of Obama lying, a majority of the public just want the unvarnished truth.

    • $8194357

      The religion of PC and its leftist disciples will crucify him
      for it tho even if it is the truth.
      Thats what PC cultural terrorism was born for.

  • Bat One

    Mr. Romney was being generous. The last number I’ve seen, based on IRS compilations, was 49.6% don’t pay income taxes, and over half of those are receiving money “back” from the government, mostly via the mis-named Earned Income Credit or EIC. Money which was taken by the government from our more productive citizens and redistributed.

  • WOOF

    Romney talking at a $50K a plate fundraiser at a hedge fund
    managers house, to people who might want something from
    his administration.
    Making excuses for his dismal electoral chances.
    In his heart he’s already lost.

    • mikemc1970

      Yeah they want him to defeat Obama so they can get this country economically moving again.

      • WOOF

        Romney’s and other hedge funders income taxed at 15% and that’s the way they like it, and want to keep it, and why they opened their check books. Goodfellas.

        • $8194357

          Versus….
          Soros and the OSI globalist hedgefunders slush funding leftist Democrats to destroy Americas national soveriegnty?
          Not much of a choice to be made for a “real American”
          who isn’t PC brainwashed internationalist, huh woof…

        • mikemc1970

          While societal leaches, who have no skin in the game at all, like it the way it is now under Obama. Let’s see, whose vision of the country do I trust more, achievers or mooches? Tough decision there woof.

          • Bat One

            The argument you describe – Achievers versus Moochers – is the vary same, most basic argument going on in Europe where the people in the northern Eurozone countries (Germany, Denmark, Sweden, and the Baltic states) are objecting to the notion that they should pay the freight for their more indolent southern neighbors (Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and France).

            In a sense, it is the Cold War being fought all over again, in a different, more economic policy oriented frame of reference, between those who believe in personal liberty and economic freedom and those who worship at the altar of the State.

          • robert108

            That battle was engaged around 1923, when Lenin realized that his collectivist dream would never be able to compete with free enterprise, and his Marxist utopia would have to be achieved through deception and subversion. This is why liberal rely on propaganda to push their agenda. They have to lie, because the truth is not on their side.

        • Thresherman

          Ah yes, the great liberal 15% lie. A liberal can never say that and point out that he or she is refering to capital gains and not income tax. Actually, most of these people pay both income and capital gains taxes but a liberal will never tell that truth either for it exposes their lie.
          And then there are cases like my 15 year old son. He pays income tax on the wages he earns working summers on a relative’s farm, but because his late grandmother willed him the income off of a small tract of farm land she sold, he has to pay capital gains. Now does the left think that he is some sort of robber baron as well? Do they think that he should have to give 40% or 50% of that to the government? And just what has the government done to entitle themselves to the proceeds of what his grandparents sweated to earn and paid for with money that had already been taxed once?
          If you want to talk about greed, one need look no further than liberals and government.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            “And just what has the government done to entitle themselves to the proceeds of what his grandparents sweated to earn..?”

            Stole the land from someone else.

        • robert108

          You lie; 15% is capital gains tax rate, not income tax rate. He pays income tax, as well, on all the income that he invests, which creates jobs and economic growth.

        • Bat One

          The obvious answer, WOOF – at least obvious to those who think – is for everyone to pay income taxes on all their income, regardless of source, at the very same 15% rate. No “loopholes”, no credits, no bullshit! Just one, amazingly simple income tax system for everyone.

          Economic growth kicks into high gear, unemployment drops like a rock, tax revenues increase, deficit diminishes… what’s not to like?

    • Tim Heise

      Please. And Obama doesn’t have 50K plate fundraiser? He doesn’t get money fromhedge fund people? Typical lib.

      • Spartacus

        Libs are all about “do as i say, not as I do”, the Obama family especially so.

      • chris

        Maybe, but he’s not the one offending half of the nation.

        • robert108

          obamacaretax offended a larger part of the population than that.

        • Spartacus

          Who cares? That 47% wasn’t going to vote for him in the first place. What are they going to do? Not vote for him twice?

          • mikemc1970

            Actually they’re Democrats so they’ll just vote for Obama more than once.

          • Spartacus

            In some states I’m sure you’re right, but the voter ID laws enacted by other states should stop the Liberal zombie apocalypse from voting.

          • Davoarid

            Obama is getting 100% of the military vote? Of the over 65+ vote? Of the <$30,000 a year vote?
            Damn, you guys are in trouble.

          • Spartacus

            It’s no trouble at all Davaroid, latest Rasmussen poll shows the light worker has 47% of the vote. Ironic, isn’t it? How about that economy, and how’s that Arab spring going. The light worker still has six more weeks to show what else he can screw up at the last minute, have faith fanboy.

    • Bat One

      Those “evil” hedge fund managers are the same ones who fell all over themselves and each other to open their checkbooks for Obama four years ago. So what changed? Maybe it was the 44 months of 8% plus unemployment… or trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see… or the nearly $6 trillion in new federal debt… or the lack of any leadership on the issues of tax and entitlement reform Those hedge fund managers are finance guys, after all. People who understand economics, fiscal policy, markets, and the creation of wealth… even if Obama doesn’t.

    • robert108

      Typical Marxist class envy screed.

    • $8194357

      Does the class warfare apply to “our represenitves”
      across the board woof?
      Or just the evil Repuplicans?

      The 50 Richest Members of the 112th Congress (2012)
      By Amanda Becker

      Familiar names top Roll Call’s annual survey of Congressional wealth.

      Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) is the
      richest Member of Congress for the second year in a row, reporting a vast
      fortune that in 2011 had a minimum net worth surpassing $300 million for the
      first time.

      McCaul is followed by Sen. John Kerry
      (D-Mass.), who reported a minimum net worth of $198.65 million, and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who reported a minimum
      net worth of $140.55 million. The two lawmakers swapped places since last year’s
      list.

      The lawmakers who round out the top five, Sens. Mark Warner (D-Va.) and Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), also flipped positions
      from 2010 to 2011, with Warner’s reported minimum worth rising about $9 million
      to $85.81 million and Rockefeller’s minimum worth rising slightly to $83.08
      million.

      Since 1990, Roll Call has reviewed the annual financial disclosure reports
      filed by all House and Senate lawmakers to calculate the 50 richest Members of
      Congress. Their minimum net worth is determined by subtracting the total minimum
      value of all liabilities from the total minimum value of all assets.

      The annual disclosure forms show information about lawmakers’ assets and
      liabilities, including stock-market holdings, rental properties, checking
      accounts, credit card balances, student loans and other financial obligations.
      Even so, the details provide an incomplete picture of overall wealth.

      Though lawmakers report the value of mutual funds, bank accounts and other
      assets, they are not required to disclose federal retirement savings accounts.
      And while they had to include mortgages on personal residences for the first
      time this year, they did not have to report the value of those properties as
      assets.

      All assets and liabilities are also listed in broad ranges spanning millions
      of dollars, making it impossible to arrive at a lawmaker’s exact minimum net
      worth.

      Some lawmakers chose to provide more precise valuations of their assets and
      liabilities, and Roll Call used that information whenever possible to arrive at
      a more accurate figure of wealth.

      One theme that emerged on this year’s list is that about half of Congress’
      wealthiest lawmakers reported having a lower minimum net worth than the year
      before. Though in most cases the difference was negligible, some lawmakers
      reported a precipitous drop. Issa’s reported minimum net worth in 2011 was about
      $80 million less than in 2010. Rep. Kenny
      Marchant’s (R-Texas) reported net worth dropped by more than a third. Some
      of the apparent lost wealth can likely be attributed to the new mortgage
      disclosure requirement.

      Though McCaul, Kerry, Issa, Warner and Rockefeller kept a lock on the top
      five spots, there was movement elsewhere on the list.

      One notable newcomer is Rep. Chellie Pingree
      (D-Maine), who saw her minimum net worth increase from about $500,000 in 2010 to
      $28.58 million in 2011 after her marriage to financier Donald Sussman.

      Others who broke into the top 50 this year were Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Rep. John Yarmuth (D-Ky.) and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), who even made it into the top
      half.

      Lawmakers who dropped off the list include Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), Kay Hagan (D-N.C.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.).

  • stan25

    Have things gotten so far out of whack that when a politician speaks the truth, it is a gaffe? But then again, politicians have been lying to us forever. Look at all the lies that “Walks on Water” has spewed over the last 3+ years, with the help of his media lapdogs and the people believe what he said is gospel. So when someone tells the people the truth about what is really happening, they get all weak kneed and piss all over themselves.

    • $8194357

      This explains where the world is at today very accurately..

      John 8:43-45
      New International Version (NIV)

      43 Why is my language not clear to you?
      Because you are unable to hear what I say.

      44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

      45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!

      End quote

      When evil becomes good and good evil
      When the lie is taken as truth and the Truth a lie?

      Woe unto that generation…
      Look up for the Day is at hand..

  • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

    All of the responses I’ve seen so far on the various conservative blogs add up to, “Yeah? So?”

    Calling out the sponges might shame a few into voting for Romney out of shame. Damn few, probably, and zero liberals who simply lack the shame-producing organ.

    • mikemc1970

      “shame-producing organ”

      A brain.

      • $8194357

        10X

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession
        • Kerry

          Agreed, you are brainless, and irrelevant. But hey, at least you got a little attention this morning.

        • mikemc1970

          No click for you. Too many nasty interweb viruses that you’re known for, trollarella.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Yeah, YouTube is totally untrustworthy…..and stuff.

          • mikemc1970

            Everything from you is suspect. You are untrustworthy.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Yet 97% of what you say are lies and distorted garbage.

          • robert108

            You just love to make things up, little hanni; especially after you have been smacked with the truth.

          • mikemc1970

            Answer: Projecting. Washing hands.

            Question: Name two things little Hanni likes to do more than anything in the world.

          • Todd

            1. Talking about himself.
            2. Giving head to military guys in the high grass on the golf course.

          • donwalk

            Citizen will then trust this video also.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3aGJfDSg4

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            And? All taxes spent on government programs are redistribution. It has been this way since the founding of our country. That goes back quite a bit farther than 1998.

            When my income taxes go to some retired military persons pension, or their salary…..that’s redistribution.

            What Romney said was a disgusting lie and he will lose the election because of it.

          • donwalk

            So with the country already at 47%, where do you draw the line?
            At what income level?
            At what percentage of the population?
            At what family member level?
            Obviously you believe that redistribution is the key to a successful economy and prosperity for everyone, so please provide your guidelines? Is everyone equal when it come to income, wealth, assets and possessions? While you are at it, please provide the countries that have successfully pulled off “Equal Redistribution Economies” over history. How does redistribution apply to “High Risk” occupations?
            How does redistribution apply to “Highly Technical” occupations?
            How does redistribution apply to the various levels of teaching and education? How does redistribution apply to union members – everyone equal there also? Again, it does not matter what the reasons are for the no-paying of income taxes. 47% is 47% and no country can continue on that path. Please provide your guidelines for the “Fair and Equal” redistribution economy you are advocating.

            Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: The Most Honest Thing Mitt Romney Has Said All Year

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I don’t think you fully understand what that 47% includes. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.

          • donwalk

            It doesn’t really matter – 47$ is 47% and that number is too high to support the excessive spending that has taken place. American citizens want jobs and economic futures, not the entitlements that B.O. and Democrats have forced upon them. Now, answer the questions posed to you, since you are of the “Redistribution sect” and believe in it fully. So with the country already at 47%, where do you draw the line?
            At what income level?
            At what percentage of the population?
            At what family member level?
            Obviously you believe that redistribution is the key to a successful economy and prosperity for everyone, so please provide your guidelines? Is everyone equal when it come to income, wealth, assets and possessions? While you are at it, please provide the countries that have successfully pulled off “Equal Redistribution Economies” over history. How does redistribution apply to “High Risk” occupations?
            How does redistribution apply to “Highly Technical” occupations?
            How does redistribution apply to the various levels of teaching and education? How does redistribution apply to union members – everyone equal there also? Again, it does not matter what the reasons are for the no-paying of income taxes. 47% is 47% and no country can continue on that path. Please provide your guidelines for the “Fair and Equal” redistribution economy you are advocating.

            Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: The Most Honest Thing Mitt Romney Has Said All Year

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            With all due respect donwalk, you seem to have pulled a lot of assumptions from your ass. Virtually all of your assumptions of my position are flat out wrong, almost all of your conclusions of the 47% of Americans Romney was insulting, and dismissing, are people who have already worked and are now trying to age gracefully and with the investments they have paid into. You may recognize some of them as The Greatest Generation. Are you also “dependent” upon the banks because you deposited your money into it and now you are withdrawing it to pay for your medical expenses?

            Really, you aren’t even serious. You’re just bloviating extreme right-wing talking points.

            Here’s what I actually believe. I am a by-product of American capitalism. Everything I own, and the success I have earned, I have earned on my own, only with hard work and by making smart choices or by building with my own hands. I have never taken 1 dime from government programs or assistance. My views regarding American opportunity are shaped by my experience which include Al Gore’s funding of the internet, which happened to create the largest economic boon most of us have seen in our lifetime. That economic boon provided me the opportunity to develop my knowledge, skills, and experience, which make me marketable and successful in today’s tough business climate. I am NOT a product of trickle-down economics. I have been rejected, time and time again by republican type elitists saving positions for their friends sons and daughters who had less experience than myself, or who have demonstrated almost no ambition or gumption. The only reason I am where I am today is because the economy was booming at the time I was entering the workforce (as an adult) that there was just too much demand for individuals to continue to reject me based on my race, or my background (yes, I actually had people ask me what my father did during an elitist interview for a surgical instruments company). With that single opportunity, I took advantage to excel past all of those others (who were born with a silver spoon, or had the “pedigree” that many elitist gate keepers required before they “granted” opportunity). I had to earn it, the hard way, month after month after month, proving myself to my managers and Vice Presidents and clients. Over time I developed a reputation and my ability is the only thing that allows me to determine my own future today. Had it not been for the government investing into the internet, the free market would not have not created an explosion opportunity, and wealth would have not been generated in the manner it had been.

            So you can sit back and criticize Liberals all day long about being moochers, but it’s simply bullshit. All of my friends are hardworking successful businessmen who believe in helping the less fortunate, who have not broken through the barriers society has created.

            Today I participate in large ways to private charities that do not receive .01 in government funding.

            I AM a free market capitalist who understands the balance that needs to be struck with government to provide opportunity for Americans, and I know personally what the private sector can do to hold down those who are not born of privilege.

            You can shove your bullshit down the throat of someone else. Maybe you can shove it down one of your friends here at SAB? They seem to enjoy the taste of it. It flows out of their mouths so often that it seems that they are most comfortable savoring it.

          • Guest

            You do bring up a good point taxes do need to be raised for everyone, not only the super wealthy. In the United States our tax rates for everyone are much lower than nations that balance their budgets. Your assertation that big government or redistribution never works is not true. In Sweden, Germany, and Norway government spend much more than us per capita as and in Sweden the average tax burden is actually 47%!http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/nov/16/sweden-tax-burden-welfare Yet these nations are a few of the most wealthy and booming economies in the world despite having a very large government that redistributes many benefits to its citizens.

          • robert108

            Again, little hanni, it’s time for you to be smacked with the truth that national defense is one of the few legitimate, Constitutional reasons for the govt to confiscate our earnings. Since you don’t know the meaning of “redistribution”, it’s where money is forcibly taken from someone to give to someone else, for sociopolitical reasons. Retired military have earned their pensions. Sorry you don’t know that.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            The government redistributed my wealth to pay for it.

          • robert108

            Wrong again, little hanni. You have been repeatedly schooled on what “redistribution” means, and you are such a poor student that you keep failing the most basic test of knowledge. Again, the military earn their compensation, unlike the greedy public unionists who jack up their compensation at our expense, while doing little or nothing to earn what they take. Another false equivalence from you.

        • donwalk

          Anxiously awaiting your endorsement this B.O. video
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3aGJfDSg4

  • HG

    The facts are the facts. However, we all knew Romney wasn’t as conservative as we’d like him to be. A conservative leader would not write off any American. He or she would strive to convince as many as are willing to abandon dependence for self-sufficiency; to embrace freedom and forsake gov’t control.
    The President wrote off “white working class voters” a month or so ago. I’d expect that from him.

    • Gern Blanston

      Yet, that wasn’t reported as a gaffe…

      • HG

        I don’t remember it even being reported, not by any major network anyway.

  • Patrick R. Pfeiffer

    If the liberal, Obama-cheering mainstream media thinks they’re going to sink Romney with a “gotcha moment” they’re in for a big surprise.
    If anything, a “closet” Romney conservative momenet being unearthed will only make fiscal conservatives more comfortable in voting for the guy.
    And the people upset by the comments weren’t going to vote for him anyway.
    The mainstreams just did something Romney hasn’t been able to do himself-endear him to Tea Partiers.

    • Davo

      Do you think Romney should start making that speech part of his regular campaign stops? Do you think he should mention during the Presidential Debates that 47% of the country “thinks they are victims” and shouldn’t vote for him?

      • mikemc1970

        It doesn’t matter they aren’t going to vote for him anyway. Although he said the 47% didn’t pay income taxes and therefore wouldn’t be swayed by a promise to cut taxes. He didn’t give a percentage for how many self victimize, but take whatever you need to out of context to maintain your faux outrage.

        • chris

          Actually the elderly who depend on Medicare normally vote republican, but with this turn of events they might just change their minds. After all, they’re just victims of the socialist system.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            How dare they pay into a system and expect to mooch off it when they need it? Darn moochers!

          • robert108

            The moochers are the cronies of the Democrat Party who kick in to elect Dems, who then vote them huge chunks of taxpayer money in perpetuity.

          • robert108

            Actually, retirees know very well that economic growth is necessary to support the present system, even though they were forced to pay into it for fifty years; you illustrate the economic ignorance of the left, and those who think they can emotionally manipulate people who know real economics.

          • Mike Adamson

            Many retirees don’t pay income tax and are thus in the bag for Obama according to Romney, not to mention the apparent truth that retirees don’t take personal responsibility or care for their lives.

            What a dopey thing to say and why can’t the Republicans nominate a serious candidate anyway?

          • robert108

            Romney wasn’t referring to retirees, who have paid into the system all their working lives; he’s talking about wage earners who are relieved from sharing the tax burden due to Democrat class envy legislation. You are just wrong about retirees, but that’s no surprise.

          • Mike Adamson

            Conjecture on your part given what he actually said. Those of us that frequent conservative sites aren’t surprised at his message but it’s good when the public gains exposure to this type of attitude since the Republican party generally does a good job keeping it under wraps. It’s kind of laughable anyway since so few folks who are happy sucking at the government teat bother to vote. The notion that 47% of the vote is tethered to the Democrats is simply more conservative fairy tale stuff IMO.

          • robert108

            Thanks for admitting your prejudices against conservatives. You are simply wrong. The principle is that those who don’t pay the tax shouldn’t be deciding how much those who do pay the tax have to pay. Pure liberal class warfare.

          • borborygmi

            You were for the tax Bush Rates to be made permanent weren’t as a way to stimulate the economy. You know the same rates that are in existence now which have 47% of the people not paying income tax although they do pay the payroll taxes.

          • robert108

            First, you lied. I want the present tax rates lowered, which is direct economic stimulus. We need it now, more than ever. You are conflating two different things as the same, and that’s another lie.
            The part of the tax law that gets us 47% not paying any income taxes is about deductions and special set asides, like the EITC.
            In fact, the Ryan plan is to lower overall rates, while widening the base by eliminating many deductions and set asides. Eliminating special tax privileges in exchange for lower rates. Sound economics, beyond liberal ability to understand.

          • donwalk

            Please post your facts and sources that prove Romney’s numbers are incorrect.
            It doesn’t matter what the reasons are for the voter’s entitlements, 47% is 47% and today numerous media outlets have published that the numbers are correct.
            The truth to a LIberal is always dopey!
            Why do you avoid making any comments about this part of Romney’s statement, “And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what?”

          • Mike Adamson

            The 47% is correct and Romney believes that retirees and students and soldiers should demonstrate personal responsibility and take care of their lives…if we are to believe what he says of course

          • donwalk

            Nonesense, he was referring to not expending his resources on the 47% that are not going to support him. His statement that you “twisters” always ignore in your simple reading of things: “Why do you avoid making any comments about this part of Romney’s statement, “And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what?”

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3aGJfDSg4

            Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: The Most Honest Thing Mitt Romney Has Said All Year

          • robert108

            “…Romney believes that retirees and students and soldiers should demonstrate personal responsibility and take care of their lives…”
            An outright lie. He didn’t say that at all; you’re just twisting and spinning.

          • mikemc1970

            Nay, the elderly do their homework. They know the Ryan plan saves medicare as they know it for people over the age of 55 and that Obamacare raided $700 million which will be rationed from them upon implementation.

          • Bat One

            Mike, A small correction: That cut in Medicare funding called for in Obama’s Affordable Care Act is $700 billion, not $700 million.

          • mikemc1970

            You’re right, please excuse my Dr. Evil moment.

          • donwalk

            Actually, I believe it was $715 billion, but then what difference does $15 billion make here and $15 billion there?

          • davo

            Do these people who want the extra $700 billion in medicare believe they are victims, that the government has a responsibility to care for them, and to provide them with health care?

          • mikemc1970

            They paid into it and want what they were promised. Obama is fixing to stiff them in more ways than one. Hello death panels.

    • borborygmi

      He had the tea party vote no matter what. If you haven’t figured it out yet the independents have to be won over. Gaffes/True Mitt showing up/Gotcha moment ( how can it be a gotcha moment when no one asked him a question?)won’t win the independents. Lets see working poor, working lower middle class with say 4 or 6 children, Elderly and oh yeah the no tax on combat pay they make up a large part of the 47%. Disenfranchising them will endear the Mittster to the independent? Talk about class warfare.
      Still trying to figure this out; The conservatives want the Bush tax rates made permanent. The permanency putting money back into the economy and well as dispersing doubt for the small business owner so he will hire. NOW that would be the same tax rates that have 47% not paying taxes. You know grandma on soc sec. minimum wage workers, people with large families(God put them on Earth to Procreate) now you have something against procreation.
      Talk about hypocritical two faced liars. Sorry folks pick one side or another. More people with more money, or a few people, the wealthy anyone above $250,000 in income according to Mitt with more money.
      How many of that 47% are true Welfare Leeches?

  • headward

    this made me like romney.

  • davo

    “Who are these freeloaders? Is it the Iraq war veteran who goes to the V.A.? Is it the student getting a loan to go to college? Is it the retiree on Social Security or Medicare?”

    • mikemc1970

      It’s the guys who go by internet names like davo, that live off the taxpayer when they’re quite capable of working for a living.

      • chris

        That amounts to about 3% of the total population. The rest, as has been mentioned, are elderly, disabled, students, or people who actually do work and pay income and payroll taxes. Romney and you guys are offending a lot of people.

        • robert108

          Wrong again. Probably 50% of those on social spending programs could work to support themselves, but are too lazy or entitled to do so. It takes resources away from those who really need them.
          The truth always offends liberals and muslims.

        • mikemc1970

          That’s 9,262,366 people with absolutely no skin in the game. As for the rest not all of them are incapable of working or retired. If you make some money you need to pay something, even if it’s just a dollar or two year. Even people making $20,000 a year can swallow that. Everyone who can, should participate, even at the lowest level, but that has to do personal responsibility so I know I’m just wasting my breath with you.

        • Davo

          You get the sense that Romney knows astoundingly little about the country he wants to run.

          • mikemc1970

            I get the sense that Romney knows astoundingly more about everything than the Empty Chair -n- Chief.

          • robert108

            He knows how to create wealth, which is more than obama can do. After four years of the obama economic and spending disaster, we need prosperity right now.

    • robert108

      The free loaders are the ones who collect our tax money when they don’t really need it. As long as there’s no means testing for social spending programs, they will be full of waste and fraud. Everyone on affirmative action is a freeloader, as well.
      Nice cherry-picking, though.

    • Spartacus

      Here’s one that NBC interviewed.

      http://youtu.be/P36x8rTb3jI

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      Yes, I believe our gop friends refer to them as non producing moochers.
      And yes, they really do hate Americans.

      • Onslaught1066

        “Non producing moochers really do hate producing Americans.”

        Well, it looks like you’re starting to come around.

  • davo

    So Republicans really do hate 47% of their family members, 47% of their friends, 47% of their co-workers?
    What an astoundingly unpresidential thing to say. This has to be the worst presidential campaign of the past 50 years.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Are you defining hatred as a desire that Americans be self-sufficient rather than dependent on the government?

      • chris

        Let me tell the 80 year-old lady next door that she needs to get off her skinny ass and get to work, and also her son who has MS.

        • robert108

          Under obamacaretax, that lady will be denied the medical treatment she needs, and will be put on pain medication, to “cut costs”.

    • robert108

      All the hate is coming from the liberals on this one. Mitt told the simple truth, and you guys are soiling yourselves with fear and anger at hearing that truth.

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      Oh look, here’s one now!

      • Onslaught1066

        Will the takers get their freebies from each other or will they just wonder why Dumb-O says the stupidest things like:

        “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
        Barrack Hussein Obama – “Audacity of Hope”

        This Also, Too:

        “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
        Barack Hussein Obama 7-13-2012.

  • chris

    The devil is in the details:
    -Of the 47%, all but 18% pay payroll and income taxes, which means they have a job. There is no need to preach to them about responsibility.
    -Of the 18% who don’t pay any taxes, more than half – 10% of all households – are elderly and on Medicare. They’ve done their time in the work force and there is no need to preach to them about responsibility.
    -Less than 7% of all households are actually too poor to pay any taxes. I’m willing to bet that at least half of these people have legitimate reasons why they don’t work, such as mental and physical disabilities, etc.
    -The remaining 1% are the ultra-wealthy who found loopholes and don’t pay the said taxes. There are people who wonder if Romney is one of this 1%.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/18/romneys-47-percent-us-election?newsfeed=true

    • chris

      Romney want’s to screw over the elderly and disabled.

      • robert108

        No, that’s obama and the Democrat Party. They want to hand out our tax money to their cronies(Solyndra and the rest of the green energy boondoggle), while clamping down on the elderly and disabled with IPAB and other regulation-happy committees. The Democrats consider the elderly and disabled their bitch, to be manipulated for political purposes.
        obamacaretax is meant to replace Medicare, but obama is lying about that.

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      This is exactly the sort of fact based information that wipes the hyper vitriolic propaganda from the chin of these drooling baboons we know as Tea Party conservatives.

      They ignore the seriousness of this information in favor of catering to the emotional reactions they enjoy stimulating for each other with their propaganda.

    • HG

      Romney paid taxes.

    • robert108

      All lies.

    • donwalk

      It doesn’t matter what the reason is for not paying any taxes, 47% is 47% and said 47% will vote for the status quo, regardless of circumstance because they won’t have any other choice due to fear!
      Why do you avoid making any comments about this part of Romney’s statement, “And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what?”
      The truth is, 46-47% do not pay any income tax and that number has been backed up by the IRS, the CBO and the Census. Those voters will always maintain the status quo because they are dependent upon their entitlements, regardless of cause or circumstance.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    So in your and Mitt Romney’s mind, 95+ percent of Democrats pay no taxes and leech of the government?

    What a lying dick! Certainly more than half of those folks who pay no taxes are conservative voters. Give me an effing break.

    Proof:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUsBvkfQKUw&feature=related

    Romney pays tribute to the conservative lie that their party is not filled with people who leech off of the government, or who pay no income taxes.

    If Romney loses the election because of this statement, it will be because he would have earned it.

    • Kerry

      Odd comment coming from a known tax cheat who has a tax lien on his record.

      HAWAII.GOV
      Bureau of Conveyances -Official Public
      Records
      Document
      Number R2007203358

      Recording Date
      Recording Date:

      Date instrument recorded.
      YYYY-MM-DD

      2007-11-21

      Document Category:

      Judgment/Lien
      Conveyance
      Miscellaneous
      Mortgage
      Release
      Uniform
      Commercial Code

      Description

      NOTICE OF LIEN
      (INCLUDES COUNTY, FEDERAL & STATE TAX LIENS; MARITIME LIEN)

      Grantor Grantor:

      Party transferring
      interest.

      BONILLA WILLIAM
      L II

      Grantee Grantee:

      Party acquiring interest.

      HAWAII
      STATE-TAX

      • Bat One

        Odd, perhaps, from a “known tax cheat” but hardly surprising from a hypocritical liberal.

    • Bat One

      What a lying dick!

      This is exactly the sort of factless, vituperative, comment that wipes out any pretense of seriousness from liberal Democrats.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        What I said was the truth, what Romney said was a lie.

        You can stomp your feet, but if you can’t take the heat, get your ass out of the kitchen.

        • Bat One

          What I said was the truth…

          If so, it would be the first time!

        • HG

          What lie?

          • Neiman

            What was the lie – be specific?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            The fact that you have to be told, is telling. Heh!

          • Neiman

            That is an obfuscation, it is avoiding the question.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It looks that way to you because you ignore my answers, but mostly because you are an idiot. The fact that you need to be told, is telling.

            It’s more true now, after having provided the answers.

          • Neiman

            If you don’t know the answer, it’s okay, we all know you are a moron.

            It is amazing how often you get caught lying here at SAB and you just try and weasel out.

          • robert108

            You keep ducking and dodging, little hanni; what was the lie you claimed Romney told? Be specific, if you can.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Perhaps you meant which lie?

          • HG

            Answer the question.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Lie #1) 47% of the people, 100% of which are democrats are, dependent on the government and will vote for Barack Obama.

            Lie #2) 47% of Americans pay no income tax and they will be voting or Obama

            Lie #3) Over 80% of Democrats think they are victims and are not responsible for their lives.

            Lie #4) Everything else he implied.

            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755883/vp/49068035#49068035

          • HG
          • Hanni

            Like I said, Romney lied. Your cowardly response does not begin to address my statements.

            It’s why I have never regatta ken you seriously.

            You can never demand a response, again, and deserve one.

          • hanni

            Brahahahahaha!!!!

          • HG

            Nothing to address H.
            Are you trying to hurt my feelings? Lashing out at me won’t lend an ounce of credibility to your claims.
            Most of us know what Romney was saying and it wasn’t intended as you say. Let’s start with the 47% of Americans. His comment had to do with voters not Americans in general. As you should know, only about 55-60% of those eligible to vote actually cast a ballot. That alone pretty much discredits every claim in your list. But #4 needs no explaining to be seen for the absurd nonsense that it is.
            You know H, you made some incorrect claims about my positions and my economic status over the past couple of days. I don’t recall pitching a fit and calling you a liar. Not every incorrect statement is a lie. Sometimes people speak “off the cuff” or just a little hastily.

          • robert108

            Again, little hanni, the truth makes you soil yourself in fear.

        • robert108

          As usual, little hanni, you have it ass backwards.

    • robert108

      As usual, little hanni, you fabricate a lie, attribute it to someone else, and vomit up faux outrage.

  • Nash

    Because of Romney’s comments….now I AM for voting him!

  • Neiman

    If you want to win political office – tell the truth, but NOT all the truth you know, to borrow a line – because people can’t handle the Truth.

  • Davo

    “Under current tax law, for example, a single waitress supporting two children on an income of $22,000 faces a higher marginal tax rate than a lawyer making $220,000. Under my plan, she will pay no income tax at all! And she will be joined by 6 million other low and moderate income, working families, who will be removed from the tax rolls entirely. That is one of every five families in America with children.” -Candidate George W. Bush.
    What’s changed to cause Republicans to hate those people now?

    • robert108

      The only hate in this campaign is the hatred of liberals toward real Americans and real American values. They want to drug us into a stupor so that we won’t notice their lies, and to destroy the American family with welfare and the sodomite definition of marriage.

    • donwalk

      The whole statement has nothing to do about hating anyone. It is all about not wasting time trying to obtain those voters because they are going to vote for the status quo. Whether it be out of loyalty to Liberalism or due to fear.
      Why do you avoid making any comments about this part of Romney’s statement, “And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what?”

  • Davoarid

    “Under current tax law, for example, a single waitress supporting two children on an income of $22,000 faces a higher marginal tax rate than a lawyer making $220,000. (…)Under my plan, she will pay no income tax at all! And she will be joined by 6 million other low and moderate income, working families, who will be removed from the tax rolls entirely.” -Candidate George W. Bush

    • donwalk

      Entitlements:
      According to the Census Bureau, 49% of Americans in the second quarter of 2011 lived in a household where at least one member received a government benefit. (The total population at the time was 305 million).
      That’s up from 30% in the 1980s and 44.4% in the third quarter of 2008, a recent growth in part attributable to the bad economy of President Obama’s first term.
      Wall Street Journal, September 18, 2012

      • robert108

        Wow! Another liberal “blames Bush”. That almost never happens. sarc

  • Davoarid

    “The overall impression of Romney at this event is of someone who overheard some conservative cocktail chatter and maybe read a conservative blog or two, and is thoughtlessly repeating back what he heard and read.” -Rich Lowry

    • donwalk

      This year’s “Index of Dependence on Government” presented startling findings about the sharp increase of Americans who rely on the federal government for housing, food, income, student aid or other assistance.
      Another eye-popping number was the percentage of Americans who don’t pay income taxes, which now accounts for nearly half of the U.S. population. Meanwhile, most of that population receives generous federal benefits.
      “One of the most worrying trends in the Index is the coinciding growth in the non-taxpaying public,” wrote Heritage authors Bill Beach and Patrick Tyrrell. “The percentage of people who do not pay federal income taxes, and who are not claimed as dependents by someone who does pay them, jumped from 14.8 percent in 1984 to 49.5 percent in 2009.”
      That means 151.7 million Americans paid nothing in 2009. By comparison, 34.8 million tax filers paid no taxes in 1984.
      Source: Heritage Foundation calculations based on data from the Internal Revenue Service, “Individual Income Tax Returns,” Publication 1304, 1962-2009, Table 1.4, and various IRS reports.

  • $8194357

    Big Romney scoop came from MOTHER JONES….
    A magazine named after a “socialist community organizer”..

    http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/18/13939069-the-47-percent-heres-who-pays-no-federal-income-tax?lite

    Quote:

    By Allison Linn,
    NBC News

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is facing a barrage of criticism by implying that nearly half of all Americans “pay no income tax” and would vote for President Barack Obama because they are dependent on government handouts.

    Romney was “secretly recorded” at a closed-door private fundraiser in Florida in May as saying: “There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.”

    Pieces of the comments were first released by
    “Mother Jones”
    on Monday.

    Just who are the 47 percent?
    Romney may have been referencing the nearly half of all Americans (actually 46 percent as of 2011) who pay no federal income taxes.
    The Tax Policy Center, a project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, released a detailed analysis of the group in July 2011, which NBC News.com covered in a very popular Life Inc. post.

    End quote

    Mother Jones

    BiographyShe was born Mary Harris, the daughter of a Roman Catholic tenant farmer, Richard Harris and his wife Ellen Cotter, on the northside of Cork city, Ireland.[1] Some recent materials list her birthday as August 1, 1837, although she claimed her birthdate to be May 1, 1830. Her claims to an earlier date may have been an appeal to her grandmotherly image. The date of May 1st was chosen symbolically, representing the national labor holiday and anniversary of the Haymarket Riot.

    Formative yearsThe family emigrated to the United States in 1848 and settled in the town of Monroe, Michigan. Harris studied and qualified to become a teacher in Toronto in 1857.[2] She moved to Memphis, Tennessee in 1862 where she married George Jones, a member of the Iron Workers’ Union.[1]

    Two turning points in her life were the 1867 deaths of her husband and their four children (all under the age of five) during a yellow fever epidemic in Tennessee, and the 1871 Great Chicago Fire. After the death of her family, she moved to Chicago and recreated herself as an independent dressmaker. She lost her hard-earned home, shop and possessions in the Great Fire. This second loss catalyzed an even more fundamental transformation: she turned to the nascent labor movement and joined the Knights of Labor, a predecessor to the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW or “Wobblies”).[3]

    As another source of her
    “transformation into a radical organizer”,

    biographer Elliott Gorn draws out her early Roman Catholic connection — including bringing to light her relationship to her estranged brother, Father William Richard Harris, Roman Catholic teacher, writer, pastor, and dean of Toronto’s diocese of St. Catherine’s, who was “among the best-known clerics in Ontario.” [4]

    Active as an organizer and educator in strikes throughout the country at the time, she was particularly involved with the United Mine Workers (UMW) and

    ” the Socialist Party of America”

    . As a union organizer, she gained prominence for organizing the wives and children of striking workers in demonstrations on their behalf.
    She became known as “the most dangerous woman in America,” a phrase coined by a West Virginia District Attorney Reese Blizzard in 1902, at her trial for ignoring an injunction banning meetings by striking miners. “There sits the most dangerous woman in America”, announced Blizzard. “She crooks her finger—twenty thousand contented men lay down.”

    • Spartacus

      Mother Jones? It sounds like a sequel to “The Devil In Mrs. Jones”. Where was Sandra Fluke? Typical Lib, a day late and a dollar short.

  • LastBestHope

    Romney says the “Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace”
    No truer statement has ever been spoken by an American leader about the so called “peace process”

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      What’s Willard’s plan?

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      Willard’s plan:

      “we have a potentially volatile situation, but we sort of live with it,
      and we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow,
      something will happen and resolve it.”

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Only Rob Port could claim Mitt Romney stating his multiple lies was the most honest moment in his life.

    • donwalk

      Entitlements:
      According to the Census Bureau, 49% of Americans in the second quarter of 2011 lived in a household where at least one member received a government benefit. (The total population at the time was 305 million).
      That’s up from 30% in the 1980s and 44.4% in the third quarter of 2008, a recent growth in part attributable to the bad economy of President Obama’s first term.
      Wall Street Journal, September 18, 2012

    • donwalk

      This year’s “Index of Dependence on Government” presented startling findings about the sharp increase of Americans who rely on the federal government for housing, food, income, student aid or other assistance.
      Another eye-popping number was the percentage of Americans who don’t pay income taxes, which now accounts for nearly half of the U.S. population. Meanwhile, most of that population receives generous federal benefits.
      “One of the most worrying trends in the Index is the coinciding growth in the non-taxpaying public,” wrote Heritage authors Bill Beach and Patrick Tyrrell. “The percentage of people who do not pay federal income taxes, and who are not claimed as dependents by someone who does pay them, jumped from 14.8 percent in 1984 to 49.5 percent in 2009.”
      That means 151.7 million Americans paid nothing in 2009. By comparison, 34.8 million tax filers paid no taxes in 1984.
      Source: Heritage Foundation calculations based on data from the Internal Revenue Service, “Individual Income Tax Returns,” Publication 1304, 1962-2009, Table 1.4, and various IRS reports.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        And what does your out of context, unintelligent cut and paste have to do with Mitt Romney’s lies?

        • donwalk

          Are you really that naive or stupid (dumb question, I know)?
          There are numerous sources that back up his numbers as being perfectly legitimate. Just because you want ignore them in your quest to continue licking President B.O.’s boots does not make them irrelevent. Facts are facts and your lying, fabrications and twisting won’t change them.

          Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: The Most Honest Thing Mitt Romney Has Said All Year

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            The cut and paste you offered doesn’t back up Mitt Romney’s lies. They only speak of information that does not dismiss Romney’s outright distortions related to who votes for Obama, and how many in that 47% will vote for Romney. It certainly doesn’t begin to address the lie that these people don’t and won’t take responsibility for their lives.

          • robert108

            Romney told the truth, while you and obama are lying.

          • donwalk

            So you are denying that 47% (actually it is 46.4% to be exact) don’t pay any income tax? Even though that same figure comes from the IRS, the census and the office of budget managment and the DNC even stated that the number was accurate. BUT, Hannitized knows because he found the information on the heels of Obama’s boots! All Romney was stating was that he wasn’t going to waste his campaign funds on those who he isn’t going to attract as voters anyway. That is called budget managment and establishing priorities – something B.O. hasn’t done for four years and also hasn’t been able to attract even one vote from the members of his own party for support. BUT Hannitized alwasy has the cut and paste response on standby becuase he cannot come up with anything else. Live with it, you whiner because facts are facts and whether they are typed in by memory or if they are pasted in – facts don’t change. Unlike the reports that Liberals adjust daily to fit their political needs at the moment.

            Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: The Most Honest Thing Mitt Romney Has Said All Year

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No, I am not denying that there is a figure between 46-47% that pay fewer taxes. I am telling you that the information does not begin to address Romney’s lies about who is voting for Obama vs. him. Nor is it truthful what he said about that 47% not being interested in taking responsibility for their lives.

            I know 5 older conservatives who are pissed at Romney, for referring to them as moochers, because they take Medicaid and Medicare. They are veterans, and they are pissed.

            Romney’s toast.

          • donwalk

            And I know a few hundred veterans who consider B.O. as inept and a Muslim sympathizer! Why do you avoid making any comments about this part of Romney’s statement, “And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what?” A huge, huge majority vote for the status quo when they are dependent upon their income from the government because they will have no where else to turn to, due to this administration’s complete failings in job creation. Somewhat of a generalized statement about voting, but if you are dependent upon government for your income you will generally vote against any change. If 47% does not alarm you, then what number will? 55%? 65%? 75%?
            Where does the line get drawn and where does the money come from? Please point out where anyone was called a Moocher in this statement! So far you are the only one using that term. “Well, there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right? There are 47% who are with him. Who are dependent upon government, who believe that– that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they’re entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing, to you name it. But that’s– it’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.”

            Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: The Most Honest Thing Mitt Romney Has Said All Year

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Of the small percentage of people who are paying no income tax, that’s the result of bush policies Romney wants to expand and continue or make permanent. You know this, right?

            Romney is their guy if they want free stuff.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You left out the part where Romney said he can’t get these 47% of people to care for their lives and take responsibility for themselves and he was writing them off. That includes wounded servicemen, millions of college students, elderly who have worked their entire lives and are in retirement.

            I mean….he’s an out of touch elitist who lives in a fantasy world.

        • robert108

          Romney told the truth, which is why you are wetting your pants on this blog, again and again.

  • Guest

    Obama wants to slighltly raise taxes from the lowest that they have been in American history and it is class warfare. Romney calls 47 percent of Americans lazy dependents 2/3s of which are elderly, students, or severely disabled and of the remaining 1/3 60 percent are the working poor and it is just being a good American. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505

    • robert108

      The present tax rates on income are not “the lowest they have been in American history”; that’s just another lie from obama.
      Your numbers are wrong. The net taxpayers in this country pay for everything, and Romney just wants those who work and avoid paying income tax to contribute something, so that they’re not just voting to keep the checks coming.

      • Guest

        How are they wrong, maybe I should have specified more at what point in the last 100 years were top rates higher? http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213 And I just showed you the numbers of who those people are. Most all of them are retired or people who work full time and just don’t have that much money. I guess we get to really see who is trying to make class warfare now.

      • ellinas1

        No facts to back up your lies.
        Just false assertions.

  • borborygmi

    The best things a conservative could do is make sure working poor people have less money.That’ll show them who’s boss. That way they can spend less. Now that is an economic plan. I like the clip I saw today on The Daily Show, how MItt dad needed welfare so he could get a hand up. The conservatives must absolutely hate Mitt.

    • robert108

      The poor people have less income due to their poor economic decisions.
      Spending our tax money on cigarettes, alcohol and pot isn’t really helping to produce jobs and economic growth.

  • $8194357

    “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are
    not allowed to criticize.” (Voltaire)

    CBS this moring sounded like a DNC support Barry ralley and
    attacked Romneys %47 on government assistance statement published
    by “Mother Jones” socialist bent magazine..

    Barry gets multi millions worth of “free” add time on Letterman
    with his pompus:

    “If its one thing Iv’e learned is the President is the leader of “all” Americans B/S”.

    Funny how the propaganda machine forgot about the “Bitter clingers”
    speech to leftist elitists huh?

    And of course the defense of Islam’s riots around the globe with the
    scape goating of the western free speech were high on the daily
    “propaganda” indoctrinations.

    And “wow” the “bedrock belief of Christianity”…(their choice of words)
    Was Jesus “married”?
    No fear of those Christian extremeist fanaticals riots?
    Islams prophet is not to be insulted,
    but Christianity a “free fire zone”.

    The “body of believers” is called the “Bride of Christ”..
    Refered to in the New Testement many times..
    Twist twist..spin..spin…
    Cast seeds of doubt with lies, much?
    Lets use this to attack the celebacy of the Catholic Priesthood and a
    pry bar for the devisive gay marriage agenda..

    Medias mass indoctrinations of the populace with propaganda.

    The media “belongs” to the international progressive
    propaganda machine..

    The global version of “Pravda”…

    FORWARD COMRADE CITIZEN TO A GLOBAL UTOPIA…

  • ellinas1

    Most of the increase since the mid-1990s in the number of people who
    owe no income taxes is the result of the child tax credit. This policy was created by Congressional Republicans and expanded with Republicans in the lead.

    • robert108

      Actually, most of it come from the EITC. You lie again.

      • ellinas1

        Blah, blah, blah!

        2011 Tax Year

        Earned Income and adjusted gross income (AGI) must each be less than:

        $43,998 ($49,078 married filing jointly) with three or more qualifying children$40,964 ($46,044 married filing jointly) with two qualifying children$36,052 ($41,132 married filing jointly) with one qualifying child$13,660 ($18,740 married filing jointly) with no qualifying children

        Tax Year 2011 maximum credit:

        $5,751 with three or more qualifying children$5,112 with two qualifying children$3,094 with one qualifying child$464 with no qualifying children

        The Child Tax Credit is an important tax credit that may
        be worth as much as $1,000 per qualifying child depending upon your
        income. Here are 10 important facts from the IRS about this credit and
        how it may benefit your family.

        Amount – With the Child Tax Credit,
        you may be able to reduce your federal income tax by up to $1,000 for
        each qualifying child under the age of 17.

        Qualification – A qualifying child
        for this credit is someone who meets the qualifying criteria of six
        tests: age, relationship, support, dependent, citizenship, and residence.

        You are a first rate liar.

  • ellinas1

    Who are the 47% who do not pay income taxes?
    About half of them don’t owe income tax for the simple reason that they don’t
    make enough money. A couple with two children with income of $26,400
    had no income tax liability in 2011, due to an $11,600 standard deduction and four exemptions of $3,700 each, according to the Tax Policy Center.
    The other half of the untaxed claims their status due to particular tax breaks.Many of them are seniors who benefit from the exclusion of some Social Security income. The elderly make up about one-fifth of all non-income-tax-payers. The other big chunk is parents who benefit from tax credits for children and the Earned Income Tax.
    Keith Hennessey, director of the National Economic Council under President George W. Bush points out, it is the child tax credit that has driven the increase in the numbers of non-income-tax-payers in recent years, as the value of the credit on a per-child basis has risen rapidly under presidents of both parties.

    • Curious

      And what is the average amount of the “refund” check that is given to the people who “don’t owe” any tax?

      • ellinas1

        Hell if I know.
        Do you have any facts on this?

        • robert108

          You made a long list of claims, then admit you don’t know the underlying structure; that makes you a liar.

          • ellinas1

            Blah! Blah! Blah!

  • ellinas1

    Paying no income tax is not the same thing as paying no federal taxes.
    Many zero-liability households still ante up for payroll taxes that fund
    Medicare and Social Security, among other things. According to an analysis even the lowest quintile of US income earners pay about 9 percent of their income to Uncle Sam in payroll tax.

    • Bat One

      E, If you are going to quibble about precise meanings, then you should be just as precise as you expect of others. Thanks to Democrat LBJ and a Democrat-controlled congress payroll taxes currently fund only a portion of Social Security and Medicare. And that portion is diminishing every year, while entitlement payouts increase with no proposal from Obama and congressional Democrats regarding how to fix the approaching actuarial Armageddon.

      • ellinas1

        Dear bother Bat. I hear your call for precision.
        I am precise when I say Paying no income tax is not the same thing as paying no federal taxes.
        But hear this: Successive Republican administrations, some with majority in both Senate and House did nothing to correct this.
        So to be more precise both parties are to blame.

        • robert108

          “I am precise when I say Paying no income tax is not the same thing as paying no federal taxes. ”
          Another straw man argument from a compulsive liar. This has always been about the 47% who pay no INCOME taxes; private sector earners who pay net income taxes pay for everything in this country.

          • ellinas1

            Blah, blah, blah!

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