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“The world court don’t mean diddly,” he said. “This business belongs in the state of Texas. The people of the state of Texas support the execution. We thank them. The rest of them can go to hell.”

For some in the world, the death penalty is considered barbarism.  I guess those people deserve hell, according to Pilgrim and this gentlemen?

Pilgrim,

You seem to have this sick side of you that enjoys death.  What is up man?

In March the U.S. Supreme Court ruled by a 6-3 vote that Bush [Executive Branch] lacked the authority to compel state courts to comply with the judgment[s] from The Hague [World Court].

Unless the United States has agreed by international treaty to abide by World Court decisions, this case seems very clear - Adios Jose Medellin!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

For some in the world, the death penalty is considered barbarism.  I guess those people deserve hell, according to Pilgrim and this gentlemen? You seem to have this sick side of you that enjoys death.  What is up man?

In defense of our nation or family or anyone from the actions of those that would kill them, it is neither barbaric, cruel or sick to act in self defense and kill murderers. It is cowardice in the extreme and an act of suicide to not send the strongest possible message, if you threaten to kill my family or members of my extended national family you will die!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

THe rules are very simple!
DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS
In the words of Mr. White:
“We have a death penalty & we UUUUUUSE it”
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Hannitized asks:

You seem to have this sick side of you that enjoys death.  What is up man?

No, I’m actually a kind person. What I enjoy is seeing animals like this, who ripped the lives away from two young girls in a brutal, inhuman way, get their just desserts.

This guy deserves to die. Period.

If you think that’s sick, so be it. I think that anyone who thinks this guy deserves mercy has issues with reality.

What do you think your perspective would be had it been your daughter who was raped and beaten to death in that park that night. Think your take on the situation might be a bit different?

Don’t condemn the families for how they feel until you’ve been in the same boat.

The future ain’t what it used to be.....

You seem to have this sick side of you that enjoys death.  What is up man?

So speak the one with a “douche” side.

In defense of our nation or family or anyone from the actions of those that would kill them, it is neither barbaric, cruel or sick to act in self defense and kill murderers.

Self defense and capital punishment are two different things.  Jeezus!

It is cowardice in the extreme and an act of suicide to not send the strongest possible message, if you threaten to kill my family or members of my extended national family you will die!

Life imprisonment is quite a deterrent.  Getting but raped by bubba maybe fun sounding to your side, but to me that is far worse than death.

No, I’m actually a kind person. What I enjoy is seeing animals like this, who ripped the lives away from two young girls in a brutal, inhuman way, get their just desserts.

I think to enjoy watching people get shot with .50 cal guns and getting blasted by rockets is just sort of sick.  That is something you have demonstrated in the past. 

Now, here you are asking people to Rock-n-Roll about this guys death.  It’s one thing if it was your family member, it’s another to not be.

I think you are just a bit off center.

What do you think your perspective would be had it been your daughter who was raped and beaten to death in that park that night. Think your take on the situation might be a bit different?

Don’t condemn the families for how they feel until you’ve been in the same boat.

You are all over the board man.

One, if someone was killing my family and i had access to a gun, I would kill them.  Two, if I wasn’t around I would want the harshest penalty available, but I wouldn’t condemn to hell anyone who opposed the death penalty.  And I certainly wouldn’t enjoy any response that resulted in more death.

You head is all twisted up like a pretzel.  You got a pretzel in your head. - Cal Nawten Jr.

Self defense and capital punishment are two different things.  Jeezus!

Capital punishment is self defense for society.
Instead of just praying to Jeezus, maybe you could crack a book sometime as well?

Barack Obama: All hat and no cattle since 1997!

Why am I not surprised that nutjob Hannitized here is siding with a jurisdiction outside the U.S.  The death penalty isn’t just about being a deterRent, it’s about justice.  You can tell a lot about somebody who takes time out of their day to defend rapists and murderers.  To Hannitized, YOU are a sick individual.  To the “world court”, justice will be served regardless of your pathetic opinions.

God Bless America
HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE - NOT WHINY LIBERALS

Why am I not surprised that nutjob Hannitized here is siding with a jurisdiction outside the U.S.  The death penalty isn’t just about being a deterRent, it’s about justice.

What is not surprising is your ability to read.  I did not defend anything.  In fact I even said I would kill murderers of my family.  I also said I would want the harshest penalty available.

My argument was that I don’t condemn to hell those who disagree with me and that I also don’t “enjoy” bringing on more death, as does Pilgrim.

People like you Scott are a clear example of why this site is a joke.  You are barely qualified to tie your own shoes and have an understanding of what you just accomplished. 

You.  Are.  A.  Moron.

Self defense and capital punishment are two different things.

No they are not! When someone comes into my home with the clear intent to harm my family, I must kill them to defend my family. If they come into this country with the clear intent to harm our national family, in self defense we must follow them where ever they go and kill them that they may not return and kill again, The same with capital punishment, we kill them so they may not kill again, including a fellow prisoner or a prison guard or has been done a judge. It is all self defense!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Capital punishment is self defense for society.
Instead of just praying to Jeezus, maybe you could crack a book sometime as well?

What a total idiot. 

One, the words SELF and COMMUNITY are diametrically opposed to each other you complete twit!!

Two, I am begging you, BEGGING you to pull something from a book that suggests capital punishment is self defense for society.  You idiot!!

Self-defense (or self-defence — British) is the act of defending oneself, one’s property or the well-being of another from physical harm.[1] While the term may define any form of personal defense, it is strongly associated with civilian hand-to-hand defense techniques. Self-defense defines a civilian activity as opposed to Hand-to-hand combat in a military context.

Nieman,

Show some intelligence.  You are so fricking off your rocker on this, it isn’t even funny.

See self defense above, then compare and contrast.

Capital punishment, also known as the death penalty, is the execution of a person by the state as punishment for a crime. Crimes that can result in a death penalty are known as capital crimes or capital offences. The term capital origins from Latin capitalis, literally “regarding the head” (Latin caput). Hence, a capital crime originally was to be punished by the loss of the head.
Historically, the execution of criminals and political opponents was used by nearly all societies—both to punish crime and to suppress political dissent. In most places that practice capital punishment today, the death penalty is reserved as punishment for premeditated murder, espionage, treason, or as part of military justice. In some countries sexual crimes, such as rape, adultery and sodomy, carry the death penalty, as do religious crimes such as apostasy (the formal renunciation of the State religion). In many retentionist countries (countries that use the death penalty), drug trafficking is also a capital offense. In China human trafficking and serious cases of corruption are also punished by the death penalty. In militaries around the world courts-martial have imposed death sentences for offenses such as cowardice, desertion, insubordination, and mutiny.[1]

Lord......i just can’t deal with this level of stupidity.  I am sorry for the insults, but you guys just are so fricking pathetic it is beyond my ability to be polite about it.  Why cant you just admit you used the wrong words?

I am going golfing.  Tournament.

Sad, sad lil man hannitized thinks that if people take satisfaction in knowing that murderers receive their PROPER punishment that somehow they are sick.  Let’s think about that.  He took the time to post about somebody seeking justice being sick.  Everybody else took the time to support the punishment of killers.  Like I said, it’s no surprise Hannitized chose to speak bad of a supporter of the death penalty in his first post here.  The only thing about this site that’s a joke is you. 

God Bless America
HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE - NOT WHINY LIBERALS

The death penalty isn’t just about being a deterRent, it’s about justice.  You can tell a lot about somebody who takes time out of their day to defend rapists and murderers.

Justice is about the right punishment for the right crime, not revenge. Trust me, if anyone touched my daughter, sister, or mother, I would put them to the ground. Frankly, I come from a country where touching a girl inappropriately means ending up a scythe in your neck the next morning. But that’s not America. America is the land of justice whether it be for the raped, the rapist, or the families of both.

Do you think we do justice by killing rapists? They are men who have lost their soul. Death is a painless escape for them. Instead make them repent their every sin by putting them out to work in the Death Valley and kill them off slowly. It’s a worse way to go for them.

The second thing we must ask ourselves is how we define ourselves? Are we like the Middle East governments (except Turkey) that don’t care about human life? Are we like the terrorists who don’t give a second thought before killing somebody. If we kill even our worst criminals, their blood defines us as killers. And we are not killers. We just want justice done right. And the right justice is never death, not for Adolf Hitler, not for Jose Medellin. We must show ourselves to be better humans than the people we label as criminals. It is the only way to maintain a society that respects life enough not to damage the right to life of anyone even if that most fundamental of one of its citizen’s is harmed.

What is not surprising is your ability to read.  I did not defend anything.  In fact I even said I would kill murderers of my family. I also said I would want the harshest penalty available.

Now I understand your point.  It’s okay for you to kill for your family but not for anyone else.

hyp·o·crite
1.  a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

Libertarian,

Thanks for the intelligent discussion.  I agree 100%.

I hope you can make some ground with these guys.

CY.

I never said people shouldn’t want to kill people who killed their families.  I said nobody should ENJOY IT.  I also said that we shouldn’t condemn to hell those who oppose the death penalty.  THEN, I criticized Pilgrim for a long history of what seems to be his enjoyment of taking lives.

I can’t help you if you lack reading comprehension skills.

Justice for murderers = DEATH

Justice for rapists = DEATH

God Bless America
HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE - NOT WHINY LIBERALS

Sad, sad lil man hannitized thinks that if people take satisfaction in knowing that murderers receive their PROPER punishment that somehow they are sick.

That is not what I said either.  I said I think Pilgrim is sick because he enjoys death.  He enjoys watching people get killed and he takes satisfaction in it.  I think it is sick.

I don’t think it is sick for people to want revenge, for I understand it.  It doesn’t make revenge right, nor does it mean justice. 

I may kill those who would kill my family, but that does not mean that I would have either served justice nor satisfied my desire for revenge.  I would have just done it.

Scott,

You are a idiot.  Where do you live?  I am dying to know.

What a total idiot. 

We keep telling you Han-job! Signatures come at the end of your post!

Scott: Ignore the Tiki Troll, Hannitized. Most of us do!

Barack Obama: All hat and no cattle since 1997!

You can’t ignore a single thing I write Phoof.  Nor can you counter with an intelligent argument.

Out....registration at 10:00am.

When Hannitized calls me an idiot - all I do is consider the source, shake my head, and pray for him.  He was obviously a product of our failing public schools.  Sad, sad lil man.

God Bless America
HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE - NOT WHINY LIBERALS

OK
I see that there’s some misunderstanding here.
In Texas, it’s the written Law that if you kill someone & it’s proved to be murder, you will be punished.
An available punishment is death by execution.

There are 2 clear ways around this:
1) Lobby & petition the System & change the Law
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2) Don’t commit murder in the State of Texas

Scott: I never really appreciated the game of golf until today! But, if it keeps that moron out of our hair for a few hours, it deserves a government subsidy!

Barack Obama: All hat and no cattle since 1997!

Nor can you counter with an intelligent argument.

Intelligent...like this one?

You are a idiot.  Where do you live?  I am dying to know.

Barack Obama: All hat and no cattle since 1997!

In order for self-defense to fit your narrow definition, killing another to defend your own family is not, purely speaking “self” defense, is it? So, you are not justified in killing someone attacking your daughter, for your daughter is not your self. It is commonly understood that self defense involves defending ones own life, that of loved ones (home/family) and that includes even members of ones national family. The latter is called war, but it is an act of national defense, the defense of our national family. You are free to choose another term, the end result is the same, a rose by any other name still smells as sweet.

we kill even our worst criminals, their blood defines us as killers. And we are not killers. We just want justice done right. And the right justice is never death, not for Adolf Hitler, not for Jose Medellin

Under this idea, to kill those that kill our people in time of war, makes our soldiers killers and that also defines us as a nation of killers. Ridiculous! If a man sheds innocent blood, his blood should be shed is an injuction by the Prince of Peace. Or, as liberals do you consider your judgment greater than His?

Under other threads I have made it clear there should be no rejoicing in killing another human being, no matter the justification. It should always be done soberly and with justice.

Liberals protest that we have blood on our hands even to execute murderers; but when we are unwilling and unable to execute even the most severe justice on those that are without respect for life, then we are condoning murder and we become known as a weak people, easy prey to men with evil motives.

Note: It is fascinating that these murderers, like the Green River Killer, cry and beg to be spared the death penalty, so apparently they do not see life in prison in the same way as you liberals.

Lastly, I find it sad that most liberals protesting the death penalty are in favor of the cold-blooded murder of over one million innocent human beings in the womb each year or the cold-blooded state sanctioned murder of human beings by using, kind to themselves, euphemisms like euthanasia and assisted suicide. Talk about a double standard and twisted morality that is it in a nutshell!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

We keep telling you Han-job! Signatures come at the end of your post!

Excellent!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

You can’t ignore a single thing I write Phoof.  Nor can you counter with an intelligent argument.

H,

Sorry, but not a single thing you’ve written, nor the entire body of your commentary here, warrants this sort of high esteem.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Reb Tex nailed it.

Don’t want to be executed by the state - don’t commit murder in Texas. Simple.

And, Hannitized, your observation that my mind is twisted like a pretzel because I occasionally post gun camera videos of jihadis who want to kill our troops getting their wish for martyrdom granted by an Apache or Cobra or AC 130 is off the mark.

When those guys get their 72 virgins they won’t kill or wound another American troop - and, yes, that pleases me.

If, by your definition, that makes me warped somehow, so be it. Now, go play golf. Hopefully you play golf better than you process thought.

The future ain’t what it used to be.....

I don’t really understand the whole debate issue here.
First of all, The law in Texas is as. End of story. Case closed.
So, if you have a problem with the law ...well, dang nabbit, don’t go breaking the it then.
The same goes for any other standing law in United States.

When those guys get their 72 virgins they won’t kill or wound another American troop - and, yes, that pleases me.

I heard it was 72-Virginians and that it didn’t say female virgins. So, maybe these guys all get a big surprise in Paradise!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Now, go play golf. Hopefully you play golf better than you process thought.

No, I believe he strives for both equally: Low score wins!

Barack Obama: All hat and no cattle since 1997!

My argument was that I don’t condemn to hell those who disagree with me and that I also don’t “enjoy” bringing on more death, as does Pilgrim.

For someone who supposedly sees nuance in every word, this is such a stupid blunder. He doesn’t want them to LITERALLY go to hell because they disagree with him.

For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.

He doesn’t want them to LITERALLY go to hell because they disagree with him.

And you know this because you feel it in your bones?

In order for self-defense to fit your narrow definition,

It’s not MY narrow view Nieman, it’s WIKI’S.  And did you catch that little word “another”.....??????

That refers to other people than yourself.

Again, I am loosing patience with your ability, or lack of it, to be able to read, let alone comprehend what it is that is written in black and white. 

Wake up!

Please pay attention: If anyone goes to hell it is because of their choices while still this side of the veil, no one sends them there, no one has the power to condemn them there; and wanting to rid the world of a murderer does not speak to his eternal destiny at all.

It is of great concern to me if anyone ever goes to hell, that is the worst thing we could ever wish on anyone. I do not want this person to spend eternity in torment. Only by God’s Grace will any of us escape hell! But, he that lives by the sword (instrument of death) will die by the sword. He who takes an innocent life, will have his life taken from him. Jesus the Prince of Peace and the God of Love said that, but of course, you are much wiser than Him.

You are judging Pilgrim’s heart without any direct, objective evidence that you are right and that my friend is wrong.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Hannitized: Are you suggesting we are to live or die by what Wikipedia says is the proper definition of a word/term?

Legal:
Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.

After this there are a host of rational arguments about the immediacy of the threat, the extent to which self-defense involves others (self, family, neighbors, nation, etcetera); but in no case have I read wherein a very inaccurate, questionable source like Wikipedia is the only right definition.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Using Wikipedia as a real source is ridiculous.
Too many entries are opinion based & not fact based.

Using Wikipedia as a real source is ridiculous.
Too many entries are opinion based & not fact based.

Stop being a whiny little kid and come up with another example or source that defines SELF DEFENSE and CAPITAL PUNISHMENT then, genius.

You are the king of making statements that are meaningless.

Instead of insulting people which is the only recourse for a cornered liberal, I offered a legal definition. Plus, RebTex is right, Wikipedia must be taken with a grain of salt.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

"You are the king of making statements that are meaningless”
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Perhaps!
Or maybe...just maybe, the statements have a deep meaning that you can’t grasp?
/Should you require an explaination of one of my post or statements, just ask! I’ll be glad to help. : )
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“Stop being a whiny little kid and come up with another example or source that defines SELF DEFENSE and CAPITAL PUNISHMENT then, genius.”
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For self defense,you’d need to look at the definitions on a State by State basis.
What is self defense in 1 area might not be in a different area.
In Texas, which was the actual point of the original post, I can shoot someone for threatening me while I’m off my property BUT still inside my vehicle.
I wouldn’t want to do that in other States because it could lead to capital punishment.

After this there are a host of rational arguments about the immediacy of the threat, the extent to which self-defense involves others (self, family, neighbors, nation, etcetera); but in no case have I read wherein a very inaccurate, questionable source like Wikipedia is the only right definition.

Nieman,

Are you paraphrasing or quoting.  Please refer me to your evidence that states self defense is the same thing as capital punishment.

And you know this because you feel it in your bones?

Simple logic actually.

Common phrase. No one actually means it.

By applying simple logic, many things are clear. It explains why the world is so mysterious for you, stupid one.

For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.

Common phrase. No one actually means it.

Only an idiot would make such a bold statement about every person in the world, thus.......it explains why you said it.

For self defense,you’d need to look at the definitions on a State by State basis.
What is self defense in 1 area might not be in a different area.
In Texas, which was the actual point of the original post,....

Um....so where is the definition of both as it relates to Texas????

Why are you guys having such trouble producing evidence to support your non-arguments?

I can tell you why!  Because you don’t have evidence.  All you guys have is your opinion, which, for the sake of this argument, doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.

You’re perfect proof that you can lead a man to knowledge but you can’t make him think.
I have no arguement on this issue.
It’s Texas Law that murder is punishable with the death penalty.
I’m guessing that you’re probably not in the South & probably argue that the death penalty is wrong.
That’s fine by me!
Your opinion is important to you.
I feel that the death penalty is valid in many instances.
In fact, I feel that repeat offenders of vulgarities against children should also be elgible.
Evidently, many don’t agree on that.
I find that the left are generally against capital punishment & for social rehabilatation.
The Right are generally for capital punishment & for personal responsibility.
You & I going back & forth won’t change the basic differences.
we could, however, have a fair exchange & both come away with a better understanding.
A debate that devolves into a hockey game is useless.

“Why are you guys having such trouble producing evidence to support your non-arguments?”
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Here’s a link to search Texas Law:
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/Text.aspx?LegSess=80R&Bill=SB378
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Typical Liberal sheep, bleating about having compasion for the rabid wolves of the world.They say the death penalty doesn’t deter murder.YES it does!This piece of human offel when executed won’t ever have the chance to murder again.TIT for TAT.

Typical Liberal sheep, bleating about having compasion for the rabid wolves of the world.They say the death penalty doesn’t deter murder.YES it does!This piece of human offel when executed won’t ever have the chance to murder again.TIT for TAT.

Yep!

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