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Monday, November 20, 2006

Terrorists Suffering Devestating Number Of Losses In Iraq

One of the big arguments posed against the war in Iraq is the idea that it is an unsustainable war.  “We are spending too much money and seeing too many troops killed to continue,” many critics say.  Yet one aspect of this war in Iraq, and in Afghanistan, that almost never gets reported is just how severe the losses are that our enemies have been suffering.

As Jim Geraghty explains:

Every day, we are reminded of how many fine men and women have paid the ultimate price in the war on terror. I began to wonder, what is the casualty rate for the other side in this war?

In Iraq, I’ve seen several sources cite “about 55,000” insurgents killed; they’re listed as “Iraqi insurgents,” but I have not seen any specification of what percentage are Iraqi and what percentage are foreign fighters.

As of this writing, the number of U.S. troops who have died in Iraq stands at 2,867. I’ve also seen the figure 2,493 for deaths from hostile action.

This suggests that about 22 bad guys are killed for every U.S. combat death; 19 to 1 if you use the total U.S. death figure.

I can find no clear and specific number as to how many Taliban and al-Qaeda have been killed in Afghanistan since the start of hostilities there in 2001. I would prefer a better source than Wikipedia, but they list 5,500 killed and 1,000 captured. According to Wikipedia, 187 Americans have died in hostile action, 102 died in non-hostile action.

Again, about 29 to 1 in terms of combat deaths, or 19 to 1 in terms of all U.S. deaths.

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You would think these rather astonishing numbers (I knew they were high, but not this high) would get more attention from a media industry that is wholly fascinated with Iraq.  Especially if we’re going to talk about whether or not the mission in Iraq is sustainable.  As much as that mission is costing us, it is costing our enemies a lot more in terms of blood.  They are expending approximately 20 - 30 lives for every one of our soldiers they’re killing.

Is that something they can maintain?  I’m not sure, but you’d think it’d be a question some enterprising journalists/pundits in the media would like to ask.

One thing proponents of the war like me talk about a lot is the fact that the media undermines public support for the war here in America by endlessly focusing on nothing but the negative aspects of Iraq.  If the media devoted as much time as they spend talking about the number of our troops who have died to reporting the fact that our enemy’s losses are 20 - 30 times what we’ve lost do you think sentiment on Iraq both here in American and abroad would be a little different?  Hell, a lot different?  I think so.

On a related note, here are some additional numbers worth mentioning.  Specifically, the number of U.S. soldiers we’ve lost in Iraq for each year of the invasion/occupation:

March 2003 - February 2004: 553
March 2004 - February 2005: 946
March 2005 - February 2006: 798
March 2006 - November 2006: 570

There was a spike in the number of casualties we suffered in the second year, but in the two years since then U.S. casualties have been falling every year.  This year we’re on pace to lose about another 60 or so soldiers in Iraq, putting is in at about 630.  About 168 fewer deaths than the year before.

The media often likes to paint a picture in Iraq of spiraling violence and a situation that is trending out of control.  That’s not exactly true.  While things in Iraq couldn’t be described as “peachy,” the number of troops we’re expending on the mission is trending down.  That’s noteworthy, but much like the situation with the number of casualties we’re inflicting on our enemies in Iraq it just isn’t something the media seems interested in reporting.

Which is unfortunate, because again if they focused on it as much as they focused on other negative aspects of Iraq I think public support for the war would be a lot higher.

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As of this writing, the number of U.S. troops who have died in Iraq stands at 2,867.

In bush’s war of choice against a country that did not attack us did not have the ability to attack us and had nothing to do with the actual attacks of Sept. 11th.


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realitybasedbob on November 20, 2006 at 08:15 am

Rob: For more good news from Iraq, contradicting the MSM’s description of how it’s going on over there, check the latest entry in the reader blogs.

Your post again describes the continuing efforts of the terrorist-sympathizing MSM to deceive the American public about the war.


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robert108 on November 20, 2006 at 08:21 am
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In bush’s war of choice against a country that did not attack us did not have the ability to attack us and had nothing to do with the actual attacks of Sept. 11th.

The first two the whole world thought was true pre-invasion, and the second is a red herring.  Iraq had nothing to do with the actual attacks of 9/11.  That’s what the invasion of Afghanistan was about.  Iraq has plenty to do with harboring terrorism in the middle east, which is why we invaded.

Try to follow along, boob.


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Rob on November 20, 2006 at 09:47 am
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Reality ticked me off (Hah!)

Where did Zarkawi run for treatment when injured in Afghanistan war?  Where did he set a training camp?  Where did we find Abu Nidal?  These questions get ignored.

(Hope the links work.  Otherwise mock me quietly.)

Iraq – Al Qaeda link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2979405.stm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2003/04/26/saddam_osama030426.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/27/walq27.xml

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9809/01/sudan.plant/index.html?eref=sitesearch

(Repubs said this was a ‘wag the dog’ incident but 2 years later Clinton stuck by his guns saying they were involved in terrorism support.  Clinton isn’t my favorite Pres but I figure he did what his overly liberal heart thought was best.)

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30910F93C5B0C728CDDAB0894D8404482

General rundown in opinion articles:

http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/cRosett/?id=110006953

FlyOnTheWall on November 20, 2006 at 09:51 am
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Any American death is bad news.

Body counts were a negative during Vietnam.
That’s why the military does not do them now.

WOOF on November 20, 2006 at 11:40 am
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Any American death is bad news.

Jeez, Woofie, we sure needed you to tell us that.

Of course any American death is bad, the point is that we’re making progress in the mission.


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Rob on November 20, 2006 at 12:03 pm

Any American death is bad news.

Not any worse than the death of an Iraqi.
Dave_Comet on November 20, 2006 at 12:18 pm
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Not any worse than the death of an Iraqi.

It is worse than the death of a terrorist, of course, but you’re just throwing this out there to start an argument I imagine.


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Rob on November 20, 2006 at 12:27 pm

Of course, but not any worse than that of an Iraqi civilian.

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No, not any worse than the death of an Iraqi civilian.  Or an Iraqi security troop.


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Rob on November 20, 2006 at 01:06 pm

Dave, just to get the order of importance correct, where do terminally ill babies and animals people eat for food fall into your order of things?


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Hoodlumman on November 20, 2006 at 01:27 pm

Not any worse than
the death of an Iraqi.

Tell that to the terrorists.  They are the ones who have killed the vast majority of Iraqi civilians.


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robert108 on November 20, 2006 at 01:32 pm
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The ratio is 19 to 1 ?…

By avoiding historic sites, religious sites, avoiding attaking a bunch of murderers at funeral, avoiding shooting at certain times of the year, avoiding civilians, women , children as much as is possible and so on and so forth…
and the ratio is at 19 to 1…

Imagine if this politically correct stupid way of fighting a war did not exist, imagine if US troops were allowed to fight like soldiers are supposed to fight in a war,

The ratio would be 1900 to 1 !

Friend of USA on November 20, 2006 at 01:48 pm
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Any death of an American fighting terorism is bad news, the death of those trying block them from doing their jobs...not so much.

bullwinkle on November 21, 2006 at 09:16 am
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Imagine if this politically correct stupid way of fighting a war did not exist, imagine if US troops were allowed to fight like soldiers are supposed to fight in a war,

The ratio would be 1900 to 1 !

Amen!

Paulie B on November 23, 2006 at 07:35 pm
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There was no terrorism in Iraq until we took Saddam out and let the terrorists in. Now there is terrorism in Iraq.
Bush Lied when he said that saddam had weapons of mass
destruction. He also said that that is the only reason for going to war. He said if saddam gives up his weapons we will turn our troops around and come home, and all along he knew saddam had no weapons.

Lee on December 10, 2006 at 09:36 am

He also said that that is the only reason for going to war.

This is a lie.  The President said no such thing.  The truth is that there was a laundry list of reasons, only one of which(about halfway down the list) was the threat of WMD.


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robert108 on December 10, 2006 at 03:45 pm

Lee:

There was no terrorism in Iraq until we took Saddam out and let the terrorists in. Now there is terrorism in Iraq.

There were terrorists in Iraq before we invaded.  And yes there was terror.  It was state sponsored.  There was also terror being exported by Iraq to the rest of the world.  Until we invaded.

Now we still have terror in Iraq, just not state sponsored.  Ironically, much of it is being carried out by former Ba’athist Party members.  It is a misconception that most of the Iraqi insurgents are foreign nationals.  We don’t have a precise number, but it may only be 10%.

Carrick on December 10, 2006 at 04:54 pm
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