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Saturday, March 22, 2008

Ted Nugent: I Don’t Need The Constitution To Tell Me I’ve Got A Right To Self Defense

Great audio of Ted Nugent talking about gun rights (via The Line Is Here):

Key quote:

I don’t need a piece of paper or a court to tell me, a free citizen of a free country, that I can’t defend myself or my family while at the same time forcing me to pay for an armed security force to come along and clean up after something goes wrong. The most basic thing that makes me free and safe is my ability to protect myself from those who would try to take away my liberty or my life.

I think what a lot of gun-control advocates don’t understand about second amendment proponents is that second amendment proponents view their gun rights as inalienable, just as the founders intended.  Much as with 1st amendment rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press, second amendment proponents don’t feel like their right to keep and bear arms depends on the opinions of judges of politicians.

Self defense is a right inherent to a free society, and so if we are to have a free society in America we must keep and preserve gun rights.  It really is as simple as that.

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I agree with him completely.All 911 can do is arrive in time to take a police report and collect your body.

fcsanders on March 22, 2008 at 12:06 pm

I wonder if this yahoo knows what piece of paper makes this a free country.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on March 22, 2008 at 01:03 pm

I wonder if this yahoo knows what piece of paper makes this a free country.

A piece of paper makes this a free country?

Wow! Talk about easy. Oppressed people just have to get the right document.

likwidshoe on March 22, 2008 at 01:15 pm

Even some conservatives here do not see the Second Amendment as being absoluitely inviolable by Congress, the Executive and the Judiciary as are Free Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of the Press and etcetera. Just because SCOTUS and some states and localities want to pretend there are ways around the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms, there is no way to lawfully change even one word of the 2nd Amendment absent the Amendment process dictated by the Constitution.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on March 22, 2008 at 02:31 pm

Neiman.  Exactly, except in the demented thinking of liberals.


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Chief RZ on March 22, 2008 at 03:14 pm

Neiman: I share your view, but - for better or for worse - Article III, Sec. 2, gives the Supreme Court power to decide, “all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution”, and the power to determine what the document itself means, by judicial review.

That is so why it is so imperative that we not give Senators Obama or Clinton the power to nominate justices over the next 4 - 8 years. An expanded democratic congress will simply rubber-stamp whomever they select.

It is depressing to me that so many who post on SA dont’t see, or aren’t willing to see, how urgently this matters.


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The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets on March 22, 2008 at 03:57 pm

pparets:
When we lose the right to keep and bear arms, with the ability to resist an evil government or defend our family, we have lost our Liberty altogether. Yeah, I think that is very serious! When the Bill of Rights can be amended by 9 justices outside the constitutionally mandated process, then none of our rights are secure at all, they are held hostage to the whims of men and women that may not think the Bill of Rights applies to anyone, that is, except the ruling elite. Yeah, I think that is very serious indeed.

Our liberty and the rule of law is at jeopardy with any limitations being imposed on our basic human rights as delineated in the Bill of Rights. Yes, I THINK THAT IS DAMN SERIOUS!


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on March 22, 2008 at 04:48 pm
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Hey Rob,

Why are you endorsing Ted Nugent and linking to him as if his opinion matters when he says things like this? (see below)

Hannity won’t condemn Ted Nugent because he is a friend, but attacks Obama for not condemning his Pastor who is also Obama’s friend..

Hannity and Rob supports Ted Nugent for saying:

“Hey Obama, you might want to suck on these ya Punk.  You don’t get it, Obama hes a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun.  Let’s hear it for him.”

“When I was in New York I told Hillary you might want to ride one of these into the sunset you worthless bitch.

“Hey Diane Fienstien ride on one of these you worthless whore”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGZs7PvoSQk&feature=related

Ted Nugent attacks black people on Fox, “Know’ImSayin”?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tgkmO9VV8Y&feature=related

So why the double standard Rob?

Why is it OK for you to continue to use Ted Nugent as a valid source to quote for important matters when they say such outrageous, radical, hateful and racist things?

Could it be because you are an enourmous hypocrite, phony and propagandist?

Mmmmm...I think yes.

I’m telling you......you aren’t fooling anyone with your mock Obama outrage.

You are a political hack, and an unprincipled boy.

Hannitized on March 22, 2008 at 08:19 pm

enourmous (sic) hypocrite

Yet another rant busting on Rob for...endorsing Ted Nugent??? Ted’s running on which party again now, Han-job?
One thing you would know, if you had the brains that God gave geese, is that sometimes, even in a political blog, items are posted that are of interest, or out of the ordinary, or just because somebody damn well feels like it.
And as you know, you lying, deceitful sack of excrement, Rob only posted Nugent’s comments on gun rights. Period, asshole!
He was, therefore NOT endorsing anything else Nugent said. And before you try some of your infantile, false equivalence horseshit, this is different from Obama and his pastor in that Ted Nugent hasn’t been Rob’s pastor or spiritual advisor for twenty years.

Why don’t you take your one-handed typing, lying bullshit to the Daily Kos or someplace where your shallow, mind-numbingly stupid and mind-numbingly dishonest posts will win you applause and accolades.
Here, you just smell on ice!



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Proof on March 22, 2008 at 08:35 pm
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Oh Hannitized, you stupid buffoon.

I don’t go to Nugent’s church.  He is not my mentor.  I have not named any books after things he’s said.  And when he said those things about Obama I condemned his comments immediately.

There’s a difference in agreeing with something someone said even when that person said something else you disagreed with and having your spiritual guide and mentor be an America-hating bigot.

It’s the difference between belonging to the Ku Klux Klan and thinking that even David Duke is right about something every once in a while (like if he said the sky was blue, etc.)


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Rob on March 22, 2008 at 08:35 pm

The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.
-- Abraham Lincoln, 17 September 1859

I agree with what Lincoln said with respect to the Constitution.  I understand that he meant that if law could be changed by slight of hand, versus via the means that was given to alter the law—the amending process—then we have lost all protections of a written Constitution.

I had rather ask an enlargement of power from the nation, where it is found necessary, than to assume it by a construction which would make our powers boundless.
— Thomas Jefferson to W. Nicholas, 1803.

Even Lewis Carroll, whose thinly-veiled political commentary written under the guise of a childrens’ fantasy, Through the Looking Glass warned of what damage could result when a written Constitution could be altered by simply reinterpreting it out of existence.

`When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.’

`The question is,’ said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

`The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master—that’s all.’

Thus, even if crudely expressed, Ted Nugent is correct when he says that it is not the paper that gives him his rights to self defense.  That is a Fundamental, Natural Right, protected against governmental interference by the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and made supreme over all other laws and pronouncements of the courts by Article Six, Section Two of the U.S. Constitution.

If anyone hates the Second Amendment, then they need to change it by way of the Amending process, in the same manner Prohibition was repealed.

The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever … the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.
-- Justice St. George Tucker

and

“The defence of one’s self, justly called the primary law of nature, is not, nor can it be abrogated by any regulation of municipal law. This principle of defence is not confined merely to the person; it extends to the liberty and the property of a man: it is not confined merely to his own person; it extends to the persons of all those, to whom he bears a peculiar relation — of his wife, of his parent, of his child, of his master, of his servant: nay, it extends to the person of every one, who is in danger; perhaps, to the liberty of every one, whose liberty is unjustly and forcibly attacked. It becomes humanity as well as justice.”

- James Wilson, from a series of lectures given between 1790 and 1792, ‘Wilson, Of the Natural Rights of Individuals’, in 2 The Works of James Wilson 335 (J.D. Andrews ed. 1896).

Anything less is an attack on the Constitution and invokes the duty of all those who swear an oath to protect it to counter them.

It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.
-- Slick Willie


...for great justice

Move_Zig on March 22, 2008 at 11:10 pm
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So, if SCOTUS should decide that the 2nd Amendment does not confer an individual right, (unlikely but just suppose) who is going to go around and confiscate all the guns?

Recall Andrew Jackson’s statement when the Supreme Court ruled for the Cherokee in Georgia.

“John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.”

The Constitution, or any law, is just words on paper unless it is enforced.

So, if the 2nd Amendment is decided not to be an individual right, who is going to go around and pick up the guns.

Not me. When the gun people say “from my cold dead hands” some of it is talk. But many firmly believe and will act accordingly. I don’t want to be the one to try to figure out which is which.

John D on March 23, 2008 at 07:34 am
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