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Ted Kennedy Offered To Work With The Soviets To Bring Down Reagan

Wow...

There’s a new book on Ronald Reagan making the rounds, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism. Its author, Paul Kengor, unearthed a sensational document from the Soviet archives. That document is a memo regarding an offer made by Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts via former Senator John Tunney, both Democrats, to the General Secretary of the Communist Party, USSR, Yuri Andropov, in 1983. The offer was to help the Soviet leadership, military and civilian, conduct a PR campaign in the United States as President Ronald Reagan sought re-election. The goal of the PR campaign would be to cast President Reagan as a warmonger, the Soviets as willing to peacefully co-exist, and thereby turn the electorate away from Reagan. It was a plan to enlist Soviet help, and use the American press, in unseating an American president.

I think there’s two things we need to do here.

  1. Verify the veracity of this document.
  2. Find out if there’s a statute of limitations on treason.

I’m not kidding.  I want action on this.

And, really, how different is this from what we’re seeing from today’s Democrats on Iraq?  Now I don’t think Democrats are secretly trying to collude with insurgent leaders, but I do think they’re willfully playing into the hands of the terrorists by hyping every single negative aspect of Iraq.

See, part of the terrorist strategy is not to beat American soldiers on the battlefield (because they can’t do that) but to beat American soldiers by eroding support for their mission here at home.  By launching a small attack nearly every single day with a relatively minor body count the terrorists can keep death and violence in the headlines almost perpetually.  We know they’re doing this because they’ve referred to this strategy in speeches and communications, yet the Democrats buy into it anyway and help the strategy along.  Because, for them, Iraq isn’t about fighting terror.  Iraq is just leverage they can use to pry Bush and Republicans from power.  The Democrats know full well that the aim of the terrorists is not to defeat us militarily but to get us to withdraw after a long, bloody confrontation, but they choose to cooperate with that goal anyway for the sake of political expediency.

Just as Teddy’s apparent dealings with the Soviets were to serve as leverage to get Reagan out of power.

Update: Robert108 has more on this in the reader blogs.

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Great quote:

I knew the economy was in good shape when they (the media and the democrats) stopped using the term ‘Reaganomics’.

gilbyguy on October 20, 2006 at 07:32 pm
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“Specifically, the board of directors of ABC, Elton Raul and the television columnists Walter Cronkite or Barbara Walters could visit Moscow.”

Can you liberals say, “media bias”?

Rob,

Excellent post.  If this is verified it’s huge.

HG on October 20, 2006 at 07:47 pm
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Kinda like that warmonger Bush...who created a war while at his ranch in Texas for political purposes...against Iraq who, like Iran and North Korea, just want to peacefully co-exist?  Hmmmm...think that the Cape Cod orca is re-using some tricks from the past!!!

WhatTha? on October 20, 2006 at 08:07 pm
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Kinda like that warmonger Bush...who created a war while at his ranch in Texas for political purposes…

Yeah, that’s it, he was aiming for his current 42% approval rating.

HG on October 20, 2006 at 08:21 pm

Rob: Check the reader blogs.


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robert108 on October 20, 2006 at 08:27 pm

Rob,

Huge indeed.  I can’t remember the name of the act now, but there is a law on the books about engaging in un-authorized diplomacy.  That would be sufficient basis to start and investigation and bring an indictment.  That would finally force the gasbag out of the Senate at a minimum.

Treason, after the Hanoi Jane precedent, would be almost impossible to convict on.

Not, mind you, that I don’t agree that this rises to the level of treason.

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Rodney Graves on October 20, 2006 at 08:40 pm
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Rodney, I believe you’re thinking of the Logan Act.

That would be the law John Kerry broke when he met with the North Vietnamese in Paris to negotiate a “peace deal” with them.


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Rob on October 20, 2006 at 08:51 pm

Rob,

Bingo.

And it now seems that Rep Harmon (D-CA) is the employer of the staffer (Larry Hanauer) suspended on suspicion of having leaked the NIE, and Newsweak is reporting she’s been under investigation for over a year.

Not even the Dark Lord Rove could engineer such a series of calamities for the Jackass Party of Treason.

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Rodney Graves on October 20, 2006 at 09:00 pm
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Unbelievable!, I mean really Rob, is this the best you can do, quote from one blog that quotes from another blog from another blog and then finally from Cybercast News Service which is under the Media Research Center. The so-called MSM ain’t got nothin on you today!

Puzzlefeet on October 21, 2006 at 02:36 am

Confirmation from Puzzled.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 21, 2006 at 04:16 am
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Kinda far fetched…

gregdn on October 21, 2006 at 04:36 am

Hell, puzzledf**k, that is more sourcing than you and your party, the Democrat Party, ever use. Toot and Rod, I heard this author in a radio interveiw yesterday, trying to access their archives and put the audiolink up. Lik, can you get into the warroom archives? So far I have just been run in a circle with usename and password, I emailed Rose and World Com, no answer yet.


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2Hotel9 on October 21, 2006 at 04:39 am

As much as I detest Kennedy and his ilk I hope this isn’t true. I’d like to think that our own Senators wouldn’t conspire with a blood enemy to bring down a sitting president. Shakespear couldn’t come up with a more bitter drama.

If it turns out to be true, however, Kennedy and whatever other traitors were involved in this should be tried for treason. This could, finally, bring the Kennedy political dynasty crashing down in flames.


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Pilgrim on October 21, 2006 at 04:42 am
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Unbelievable!, I mean really Rob, is this the best you can do, quote from one blog that quotes from another blog from another blog and then finally from Cybercast News Service which is under the Media Research Center. The so-called MSM ain’t got nothin on you today!

Shorter puzzle…

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Though, in all seriousness, this didn’t just come from CNS.  It came from a book by a conservative, though well-respected, professor and author.  The book itself apparently has a copy of the document in it.

You’ll notice that in the post I didn’t automatically assume that this is true.  I do want to get to the bottom of it, and I’m wondering why you, Puzzle, who claim to be oh-so-interested in government accountability, don’t feel the same way?


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Rob on October 21, 2006 at 05:31 am

If true, that is unbelievable.... Though I’m not so sure it’s too great an idea to go digging up such old stuff this close to an election.  I’d rather see us get to the bottom of the NIE leak investigations and focus on current and relevent stuff like that in the last couple of weeks before Nov. 7th.  Rep. Harman could end up being in a LOT of trouble over that fiasco… I hope SOMEONE gets in a lot of trouble for it anyway.


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Sphagnum on October 21, 2006 at 05:48 am

puzzledf**k only cares about accountability when it involves Republicans. Or raising taxes. Or Socialized Medical System. Or Federal tax dollars for abortion on demand. Not for Democrats, they are allowed to do anything they like. As long as they screech about Republicans and raising taxes and Federally funded abortion on demand and Socialized Medicare for all.


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2Hotel9 on October 21, 2006 at 05:49 am
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Though I’m not so sure it’s too great an idea to go digging up such old stuff this close to an election.

That’s sort of dumb...if it’s true who cares when it comes to light?

We need to get to the bottom of it, regardless.


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Rob on October 21, 2006 at 05:56 am
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Investigation?

I didn’t automatically assume that this is true.

Get Captain Bennett Marco on the case of “desperate to smear.”
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WOOF on October 21, 2006 at 06:13 am

That’s sort of dumb...if it’s true who cares when it comes to light?

We need to get to the bottom of it, regardless.

My comment was one of focus.  It’s horrible, if true, and quite honestly deserves a noose… but if I had the option of digging into this story or digging into the NIE story, I’d chose the latter for the next couple of weeks.  That’s all.


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Sphagnum on October 21, 2006 at 06:50 am

Sphag: I think we can do both quite handily… Today’s Dem foreign policy is just as bankrupt as it was in 1983, because it’s the same foreign policy.


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robert108 on October 21, 2006 at 06:58 am
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I am not saying that I believe this to be true.

I am also not saying that, if this were true, it would not be wrong and quite possibly illegal.

A charge of treason, however, would not hold any water. 

Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution defines treason.

Section 3: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

The first thing I would point out is that finding two witnesses willing to testify in this matter would probably be next to impossible. 

The next thing I would point out is that the Soviet Union was not, at the time, technically levying war against the United States, not in a legal sense.  That’s why it’s called the cold war.  So, by definition, not treason.

Now before you go saying that he was trying to overthrow a sitting official, the president no less; let me just say that he was not trying to overthrow anybody.  Were the charges true, he was not attempting to stage an uprising or coup, but attempting to influence an election.  So sedition is out, too. 

So, dirty politics?  Definitely.  Illegal?  Quite possibly.  Treason or even sedition?  Not a chance.  But these are big words, and shouldn’t be thrown around before we even know difinitively if the guy did anything.  It’s irresponsible. 

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t care for Ted Kennedy either.  But treason, sedition, murder, and rape all ruled out; the statute of limitations is past, and there’s really nothing to talk about.

muniz on October 21, 2006 at 11:31 am
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