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Just link to the picture.  No need to scare people away.

Heshe shouldn’t have to worry about getting caught up in a sex scandal with a student…..or anything else.

I don’t think they should let ugly people teach in public schools.

I always wondered what happened to Herman Munster.

That looks like any number of teachers from my school years. I wonder how many of them….

God damn it rob it is bad enough I have to look at that ugly bitch on the news here everyday. Not that it makes a difference but they are reporting that it is a pretty good teacher. I tell you what if she comes down the shore this summer I am running the ugly bitch over.

wouldn’t it be a problem to get the ugly washed off of your car?

Future article: Why Transsexuals creep me out.

My Gosh that’s Scary!

I had many uglier substitute teachers (remember, he/she is a sub, not a regular classroom teacher) in my day.

As for the confusion issue I would think that keeping he/she out of the classroom until the next school year would take care of much of that.

My final question/statement is this:  If the material to be taught does not in any way deal with human sexuality, how is the teacher’s "gender identity" any issue?  Unless one believes that this person changed identities to somehow hide rampant pedophilia, I fail to see the problem.  If he/she, as a substitute teacher, can meet the school district’s expectations of a substitute teacher (IIRC, ending the day with the school not a smoking hole in the ground met that standard), where’s the beef (other than in the surgical trash can)?

Ned: A few cut-and-paste procedures can’t make a man into a woman.  It’s a guy.  I just think it’s creepy for the kids.

I think midgets are creepy for the kids.

Not to mention transsexual midgets.  Yuck!

Rob, now that you’ve told us you’re bigoted enough to keep transexual Americans out of certain professions, what about gays/lesbians/bisexuals?

Would you keep them outta the classroom as well? How about the priesthood? The military? Food service (they might get their GLBT cooties on your burger)?

Are there any other characteristics besides sexual status—-things like race, creed, national origin—-that you think should bar a credentialed American from the classroom? Or are you strictly bigoted against the transgendered?

Just curious…

If it’s bigoted to protect our children against negative roll models than call me bigoted.  The word has lost meaning.

To answer the question you directed at Rob, I don’t think Ward Churchill should be a teacher, but then he’s not actually Indian.  

To be a bit more direct I’ll accept any religion or race, provided that they don’t teach my children any out-of-the mainstream wacko ideas.  Now if a teacher practiced the religion of Islam it’d be ok.  But if they preached the hate that passes in much of the Muslim world as religion that wouldn’t be ok.

I’d even appreciate it if they gave my kids an understanding of a different culture.  However it’s not their place to try to brainwash students that America is the great satan. 

Shorter Whistler:

"Anyone different will poison my kids."

That’s not what he said, Don; he simply said that he didn’t want this man (yes, MAN, he has a Y chromosome) teaching his children.  Behavior IS a reason to tell a person he can’t have a certain job.

Are there any other characteristics besides sexual status—-things like race, creed, national origin—-that you think should bar a credentialed American from the classroom?

I sure hope he doesn’t extend his wildly subjective prejudices to veganism, or I’m out of a job.

But, I think we can all agree that we should ban the following people from the teaching profession:

1)Transgendered

2)Midgets

3)Really, really ugly people (The ‘really ugly people’ are safe…for now)

4)Those who have had anal sex. (I don’t want my kids hearing about their sick sexual practices!)

I don’t think keeping people who can’t figure out the status of their own genitals away from schools is bigoted, nor do I think it implies that I am against gay/lesbian teachers.

Homosexuality is fine by me.  Not my scene, but whatever.  The difference, though, is that this dude is bringing his freak show into the classroom.  Last time I checked, lesbian teachers weren’t making out with their partners in the middle of math.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

 The difference, though, is that this dude is bringing his freak show into the classroom. 

1) So are midgets! 

2) I highly doubt that s/he’s exposing hir genitals to hir students. If that is the case, I’m with you 100%. That’s just wrong! However, on the off-chance that this teacher is not a nudist, I’m going to have to disagree with you.

Ms. McBeth isn’t the least bit confused about the status of her own genitals—-she just finished expensive and painful surgery to correct them.

I don’t believe that Ms. McBeth was "making out with [her] partners in the middle of math." Did I miss that part of the story, or were you just being an asshole?

The bottom line is that you advocate job discrimination against OTHERS based on YOUR fears and uneasiness. And that makes you a bigot.

1) So are midgets!

Midgets aren’t transsexuals.

2) I highly doubt that s/he’s exposing hir genitals to hir students. If that is the case, I’m with you 100%. That’s just wrong! However, on the off-chance that this teacher is not a nudist, I’m going to have to disagree with you.

The kids know this lady was a dude before.  Its both distracting and presents an inappropriate role-model.

So yes, he’s bringing his freak show into the classroom.

Don,

I don’t believe that Ms. McBeth was "making out with [her] partners in the middle of math." Did I miss that part of the story, or were you just being an asshole?

I wasn’t accusing big freaky of making out with anybody, just pointing out how I don’t have a problem with homosexual teachers since its not like they are bringing their sexuality into the classroom. 

The bottom line is that you advocate job discrimination against OTHERS based on YOUR fears and uneasiness. And that makes you a bigot.

Actually, no it doesn’t.  If I, as an employer, don’t want a transsexual working for me I don’t have to hire one.  Nor do I have to hire some kid with pink, spiked hair and a spike through his nose.  These people have chosen to do these things to themselves, and I can dang well choose not to hire them based on it. 

No bigotry involved. 

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Interestingly, the person here who is most vividly showing intolerance towards those who differ with him is our resident fan of "Brazilian tranny porn," Don Myers.

Congratulations, Don, you’ve won the "bigot" award for the day.

Rob:

I keep forgetting that you think workers have NO rights, while zygote’s have lots of rights.

Interestingly, the person here who is most vividly showing intolerance towards those who differ with him is our resident fan of "Brazilian tranny porn," Don Myers.

Can you point out where I said that people who disagree with me can’t be teachers or should be fired? Thanks!

BTW—-the Brazilians do make the best tranny porn in the world. That’s a fact, jack!

I keep forgetting that you think workers have NO rights, while zygote’s have lots of rights.

I didn’t know workers had a right to perform whatever body modifications they choose and still maintain a job.  You’ll have to point out for me some time where this "right" exists in our laws.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Midgets aren’t transsexuals.

They’re "distracting" though. 

I don’t have a problem with homosexual teachers since its not like they are bringing their sexuality into the classroom. 

Can heterosexual teachers bring their sexuality into the classroom? Say, can a male teacher kiss his wife? Can he talk about his wife’s pregnancy? Can he talk about his wife at all?

I didn’t know workers had a right to perform whatever body modifications they choose and still maintain a job. 

You didn’t? Civil Rights Act of 1964 ring a bell?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode42/usc_sec_42_00002000—-e002-.html

It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer—      (1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

Sometimes invective counts as bigotry, Don.   If you doubt this, try walking down the street in an ethnic/racial neighborhood using ethnic or racial slurs.

Again, congratulations!

They’re "distracting" though.

Well, that’s your opinion.  Not mine.

Can heterosexual teachers bring their sexuality into the classroom? Say, can a male teacher kiss his wife? Can he talk about his wife’s pregnancy? Can he talk about his wife at all?

Sure.  Just as homosexuals can talk in an appropriate manner about their partners.  But there is a line, and transsexuals cross it for me.  It is not something I want my young child exposed to.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Davey, the law states that I can’t discriminate you for being a dude.  It doesn’t say that can’t discriminate against you because you had your penis surgically removed and started dressing like a girl.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Well, that’s your opinion.  Not mine.

What, and it’s a "fact" that transsexuals are distracting? LOL

What, and it’s a "fact" that transsexuals are distracting? LOL

Look at the picture above.  Consider that every kid in that classroom is going to know she used to be a he.

If you don’t think that’s distracting you’re a moron. 

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Note that it says "sex," Dave, NOT "bodily modification."  Mr. (yes, MR.) McBeth is still biologically a man.  On the other hand, his self-inflicted mutilation may indicate something of a disability, both mentally and physically speaking, so one might be able to invoke the ADA here.

Which, of course, does nothing to reassure me that he ought to be paid as a teacher. 

If you don’t think that’s distracting you’re a moron. 

People who stutter are distracting. People with severe facial disfigurations are distracting. Obese people are distracting. Transsexuals are distracting.

How about we base our hiring and firing decisions on aptitude, rather than how "distracting" each person is, eh?

Seems like most of you have never known a transsexual before.  Otherwise, you couldn’t say such hateful things.  Transsexuals go through so much pain and suffering that I can’t believe how cruel you are being.  The transsexuals I know don’t make transsexuality the topic of conversation either.  They converse just like you and me.  It might freak you out (I know most guys can’t even imagine doing something like that), but that doesn’t make her a freak.  Read up before you start judging.  If she’s a good teacher, let her be.  Good teachers are a valued resource.  Would you be so adverse to her teaching if you believed her to be a "good-looking" transsexual?

By the way, knowing a lot of teachers, being in the profession myself, I think almost all of them have some aspect of their lives that others would consider unsuitable for the profession.  However, teachers are professionals, also.  They know what belongs in the classroom and what doesn’t.  It’s part of the training.  If a teacher were to talk about a "questionable" subject or participate in "questionable" behavior with his/her students, he/she would be fired.  It really is that simple.  Teachers have to walk on eggshells nowadays with our sue-happy society. 

However, if you’re just freaked out about her appearance, there’s nothing more to be said.  There would be no reasoning with you.

Amazing after all these years of "progress" that people are still so freaked out about people different from them…

Tammi, I agree teachers really do have to walk on egg shells! It is too bad you all have to spend so much time on things that don’t even apply to the subjects! It is unfortunate that people make fun of others too. Our world could use a big dose of compassion. If it makes her or him happy? It is ultimately up to the person. As long as it doesn’t harm another person??? I say ok by me!... I really do feel for teachers.

How do you propose that she hide her transsexuality, Dave? 

And, Zsa Zsa, thanks for the kind words on our profession.  Teachers are blamed for so much of the problems with our kids…  Teachers are more qualified and better trained than ever before, but they never stop hearing how it’s their fault the educational system is failing.  There are many things wrong with our system, but teachers would be the least of them in my opinion.  Of course, I’m biased! 

Tammi: I agree with you on one thing:  Teachers are not the problem with the public education system.  It is the inevitable fate of a socialized system:  topheavy administration, excessive power of unions, and out of control costs.  I know the teachers are generally doing a good job.  I think the kids know this person isn’t like most of the other teachers, but can’t quite understand how(s)he is different, nor should they.  Being creeped out by someone is not equivalent to hating them.

We could also "celebrate" a reformed bank robber, or peeping tom, or other types. of deviant behavior by people.  Teachers must model behaviors that a majority of parents in the community agree with.  Ultimately, they hire the teachers.  This is another reason why over two million people are home schooled in the USA today.  I don’t have current figures on private, independent, church, or charter schools, but it is probably approaching 25%.

I understand how some people are creeped out by transsexuals.  I don’t think there are many transsexuals running around flaunting themselves (probably from fear of violent rejection).  Unfortunately, the fact that they are not so present in the public eye keeps people from understanding them.  And of course that lack of understanding or opportunity to learn about them breeds the fear of the unknown.  I don’t know how to rectify that situation.  I’m saddened that there’s not more tolerance and I can’t even begin to imagine how a transsexual copes in this world.

Tammi: The reason there are so few transsexuals around is that they are on the extreme fringe of human sexuality.  Think about it: Very few people are "troubled" about whether they are a man or a woman;  they just accept whatever organs they are born with.  Out of those very few who are somehow not in harmony with their physical sexual identity, only a very few of those choose to have something surgical done about it.  If transsexuality were common, the human race would not survive, at least in the numbers we have now.

Excellent posts, Tammi. I know virtually nothing about trans-sexuality (beyond the fact that it’s wrong to discriminate against them, even if they are different from me; I learned that lesson when I was 6), so I appreciate encountering someone with some knowledge on the subject.

Well, from what I know about it, it is like feeling one way inside and having your outsides not match up.  Sometimes it creates such total discord, that a person must change his/her outside to match.  It is the only way to find a sense of self, an inner peace for some.  I don’t believe they can change who they are, but at least they have the ability with today’s science to change their bodies.  Besides, it’s what’s on the inside that counts, what defines someone’s character, not how they look.  I can’t imagine what it’s like to live every day feeling like your body isn’t your own, like it doesn’t fit.  I think that’s what helps me understand the need for some of them to go through the long and complicated procedure to transform themselves.  I would equate it with someone who was born with an extra body part or something.  Should we make them live their entire life with such a deformity or do we use the science we have acquired to help them?

Tammi: I’m not sure what the nature of your gripe is.  You use a lot of loaded words like "tolerance", but since this person, despite being quite unusual, is on the job, so maybe the tolerance would be better applied to your attitude toward those who are exercising their free speech rights on the subject.  I don’t thing "we" are "making" this person do anything.  Those of us who are uncomfortable with the situation, for any reason, shouldn’t be made to feel bad because we have a bad reaction to something so unusual.  I think it’s called diversity of opinion.  I think I have a right to express myself, last time I looked at the Constitution.

Right on robert. At what point does her/his comfort with his sexuality trump my ability to feel uncomfortable with it. I am not saying that anybody should be prevented from teaching if they are qualified to do so but I should not have to be "OK" with it.

I never said there was anything wrong with being uncomfortable with it.  It’s hard to be comfortable with something that’s so unfamiliar - that’s understandable.  My only point is that they should not be discriminated against.  Feel free to express your discomfort or even your disapproval.  It’s not necessary to approve of others; however, it is necessary to show tolerance. 

I am not saying that anybody should be prevented from teaching if they are qualified to do so but I should not have to be "OK" with it.

When you say that, that’s fine. (The idea of transsexuality sounds just as "icky" to me.) We’re talking about people like Rob and others who say that this teacher should NOT be allowed to teach.

Dave: When it comes to teaching, I think the appearance of the teacher is important.  I think the impression the teacher makes on the children is important.  This person could be moved into some other position, and still have a job, just not one who is teaching children who are also learning by example, as kids do.  I don’t agree that it is "necessary" to show what someone else has determined to be "tolerance".  We don’t all agree with what that means.  Sounds like dictatorship to me.

When it comes to teaching, I think the appearance of the teacher is important. 

robert, sometimes you make it too easy . . .

• who is going to judge teacher appearance?  
• do we need a national teacher appearance conformity panel and another big-government organization to oversee how teachers look?  
• what happens when teachers have surgery or get into accidents or just get old?  old teachers are uglier, perhaps we should drop them after age 40 . . . or 30 if kids are upset by how old a 30-year-old teacher looks.
  

Well, being a teacher…  I guess it’s a damn good thing that I’m a hot-looking blond!

Tammi, don’t bet on it.  The hypocrites don’t want you ugly, that’s for sure, but if you’re too good-looking, then they’ll accuse you of distracting the boys (or girls) and luring them into temptation.  You won’t be able to win any way you go.

CV: I’m a firm believer in the "No Fatties" rule myself.

Okay, let me rephrase…  Damn good thing I’m just an average looking gal! 

Perfect!

Now about the e-mail address where you can send photos . . .

Funny, CV…  why don’t you just drop me a line sometime at 1-800-HOTTIES!

Well, being a teacher…  I guess it’s a damn good thing that I’m a hot-looking blond!

Tammi, this is your subjective opinion.  We here at Say Anything like to base our opinions on hard facts.

Please send photos and I will post them. For the sake of the accuracy of this debate, of course.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Hey, but I thought that I could just "say anything!"  Really, do I have to back it up with FACT???

Hey, but I thought that I could just "say anything!"  Really, do I have to back it up with FACT???

Sorry for the repeat - dang computers!

We take babes pretty seriously around here.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Oh, good…  I was getting worried that I was going to have to back this stuff up! 

Tammi…Don’t do it! It will only spoil the mystery…I was going to send my picture to File It Under. BUT, Will didn’t want me to… (Will is my son another blogger) You can’t help it if you are beautiful…

Oh, no worries, Zsa Zsa, I’ve always preferred a bit of anonymity!  Besides I hate myself in pictures! 

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Tammi… AND, you never know what these guys might do with those pictures!!!!! Every one of them seem very bratty to me?(Even Tom)

Rob…Does that mean you are speechless?

Too funny couldn’t pass up.  Maybe I enjoy the sarcasm a bit too much…  Accepted.

Aw!  It skunked my picture… Oh well.  Unlike Hope at Appalachian Alumni Assocaition, I am not recently 15 lb lighter…  Just as well.

Tom… What can In say? You are a guy!

Rick: As usual, thanks for the insight into your mind.  I never said any of those things that you attributed to me, again as usual.  Are you saying that the appearance of a teacher(in this case, claiming to be a woman while appearing very manly, for logical reasons) has no effect on the kids?  Or are you saying that we "shouldn’t" pay attention to the effect a certain teacher might be having on the kids?  Notice I’m asking.  In the first case, I would say you are ignoring the obvious, and in the second case, trying to dictate your personal values to the rest of us.  You seem to have an emotional need to suppress any views contrary to your own. 

Okay Robert108, let’s play this game again.  I hope you tire of it soon.   Line by line:

As usual, thanks for the insight into your mind. 

You’re welcome.

I never said any of those things that you attributed to me, again as usual. 

What exactly did I attribute to you, Robert?  Not one thing in my post is attributed to you.  I merely took your exact words and made 3 valid points about them.  That’s not attribution.  dictionary.com will help you with word choice as well.  It’s not my fault that you say stupid shit.  It’s your fault that you say stupid shit.  Please take a little personal responsibility for saying stupid shit and move one.

Are you saying that the appearance of a teacher(in this case, claiming to be a woman while appearing very manly, for logical reasons) has no effect on the kids? 

No, I never said, nor did I imply that, nor did I even comment on it.  Did I?  You can’t reverse my tactic back on me, because I’m not the one who said the stupid shit.

Or are you saying that we "shouldn’t" pay attention to the effect a certain teacher might be having on the kids?  Notice I’m asking. 

Again, nothing I’ve said could be drawn to any conclusion you’re trying to reach.  I neither contradicted myself, nor did I say stupid shit.  That was you.

In the first case, I would say you are ignoring the obvious, and in the second case, trying to dictate your personal values to the rest of us. 

You seem to have an emotional need to suppress any views contrary to your own. 

Nope, not me.  You’re the one who wants to force your will on others.  You’re the one worried about the "effect on the poor children"  You’re the one concerned about social issues in schools.  You’re the one playing with guidelines of who can, and who cannot.  

Please, think about what you say, read it back to yourself, and stop throwing me softballs, because I don’t need the help, my batting average is high. 

Robert, I’m sorry for interjecting, but if children are judging people by their exterior, parents aren’t doing their job…  We live in a diverse world!  Exposure to people different than themselves does not create the adverse effect you are suggesting.  Instead it helps them understand diversity and appreciate how different and special each one of us is.  Hopefully, they learn that it’s the insides that counts?  Anyways, that’s what I teach my students!

Rick: I wrote: "Dave: When it comes to teaching, I think the appearance of the teacher is important.  I think the impression the teacher makes on the children is important." (emphasis added)  You conveniently left out the second statement, which is my entire point.  This has nothing whatsoever to do with me imposing anything on anyone;  I simply ask if having this particular teacher in the classroom is making a good impression on the kids.  I notice you completely avoided my question, instead using name-calling and insult to attempt to avoid my real point.  Can you now tell me how this will affect the kids? Or maybe you don’t think the impression the teacher makes on the kids is important.  I’s hard to tell, because you didn’t deal with that issue.

Then you wrote: "

robert, sometimes you make it too easy . . .

• who is going to judge teacher appearance?  
• do we need a national teacher appearance conformity panel and another big-government organization to oversee how teachers look?  
• what happens when teachers have surgery or get into accidents or just get old?  old teachers are uglier, perhaps we should drop them after age 40 . . . or 30 if kids are upset by how old a 30-year-old teacher looks.
  

The kids.

No, and i never said anything to that effect.

I never mentioned age, surgery, or any of that stuff.  I was quite specific in my concerns:  Dresses like a woman, sounds and acts like a man.

So, Rick, you made no points, you just asked questions that had nothing to do with what I wrote.  Instead of answering my specific concern, the presence of a transsexual person in a classroom(the theme of this thread), you attempt to distract with a personal attack on me.  Not impressive.

"effect on the poor children" is not a quote from me.

I never advocated forcing my will on others.  I wrote:  "This person could be moved into some other position, and still have a job, just not one who is teaching children who are also learning by example, as kids do."

Once again, no forcing, so that’s a lie from you. No "poor" children, just kids that are learning by example in the classroom.  I ask again, what example is being given here, and is it in the best interests of the children?  That is my only concern.

Tammi: I don’t agree with your opinions about what I consider classroom indoctrination by example.  Thanks for sharing, though.  I’m sure you are a good teacher, and a good example for your students. 

Robert, You seem to want everyone to be like you.  (I assume that you’re some sort of middle of the road, average-looking guy - perfect American model or something.)

Yes, I am concerned with the impression she makes on the kids.  I’m concerned about the impression she makes with respect to English, Math, History, Spelling, Science, Geography, Civics, and Reading.  I am concerned that those impressions are long-lasting and comprehensive.  I could give a shit less whether she had been a man last year, or last month.

If she can teach, then let her teach. 

Rick: Once againl, you attribute something to me that I didn’t say, nor is what you said true about me.  How I look isn’t relevant to this discussion, which is about how this particular teacher’s overall appearance and behavior might negatively impact her(his) students.  I agree, btw, about academic subjects.  If our highly socialized public schools really taught them effectively, I might not care as much about the occasional odd teacher.  The truth is, though, that our public schools have become indoctrination centers for leftie social and political ideas, neglecting the teaching of the subjects you name, which makes this particular situation fraught with possible harm, IMO.  (S)he might be teaching them more than English, Math, History, Spelling, Science, Geography, Civics and Reading.  That is my point.

I’m sorry, but I take offense at your suggestion that our schools have become indoctrination centers.  Far from it.  The only indoctrination taking place is in private schooling where teachers are not prohibited from talking about politics or religion.  The rest of us in the public system have to follow the STRICT guidelines of the mandated curriculum.  Besides, private school teachers don’t even have to be credentialed, nor are they required to attend constant trainings to keep up with the newest educational trends. 

Then clearly, you have been indoctrinated. Don’t believe me? Then look at the stupid, braindead crap you have posted in comment here over the last week.

Tammi: I know the public system is under fire, competitively, from the private schools, but that isn’t the subject of this thread. If you want an example of the indoctrination that goes on in public schools, watch Hannity and Colmes tonight.  One student taped a teacher(in geography class) ranting about the President being a war criminal.  How was that teaching geography?  I know from talking to kids that this is quite common these days. 

Tammi:  Here’s a link:

http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=4561 

Robert, I agree entirely that that particular teacher stepped way over the line.  I would be very surprised if he’ll be able to keep his job.  I’m sure you can let me know about that…  However, that isn’t common practice. 

Man, think of what I could write on those blank slates???    (Don’t worry!  I’ve been very conscientious about not going near those subjects!  They don’t even know for whom I voted…)

Tammi: I’m sure you are a good teacher.  Unfortunately, being from CA, I have direct knowledge of this cr*p going on all the time.  My little sister is a schoolteacher in the Bay Area, and what goes on there regularly would curl your hair(unless it’s already curly).  I wish you were right, but it’s really much worse than you think.

Well, I guess it depends on the school district and the surrounding community.  Maybe you do find more cases where teachers cross the "political line" in areas that are more radically liberal (like the Bay area) or radically conservative.  I just know that throughout my years of training, it was made very clear to keep politics and religion out of the classroom.  And, I haven’t personally come across any cases where a teacher has done so.

And, no, my hair isn’t curly…

Tammi:  "...radically conservative…"?  Conservatives aren’t radical.  We stand for the founding principles of America, unless you consider that radical.  Even if I accept your terminology, name one such "radically conservative" public school system.  I would really like to know;  maybe I’ll send them some money in support.

 (S)he might be teaching them more than English, Math, History, Spelling, Science, Geography, Civics and Reading.  That is my point.

Yeah, so we should probably fire hir just in case.

What happens with a trans-sexuals birth certificate and identification. What if they want to go out of the country? Is that a problem? What about voting Soc. Sec., medical ins.etc.??? What about college degrees and diplomas? How do they deal with transcripts? Don’t those things create problems indentifying a person?...How does their death certificate work? Seem like it would be rather confusing???...

There are opportunities to indicate if a person has ever used a "different name" (although I don’t believe the form discusses genetalia ...).  I don’t believe the biggest issue is id, or even social confusion.

I do believe the "educational" confusion created in a classroom designed to "teach kids how to learn" (rather than teaching them 1456 factoids) is paramount, however. 

Tammi, I agree with Robert.  The large majority of schools are liberal, although I suspect that many fewer than a "large majority" actually bring that into the classroom in an inappropriate way.  In fact, I live in a very liberal state and my kids attend public school, taught by fairly liberal teachers (from personal encounters, etc) yet the materials they learn and bring home are very nuetral.  I (a radical conservastive, I suppose)  have even commented to my wife/friends to  this effect. 

I agree that most teachers are probably liberals (they are at my school).  I think it comes from being in the field…  But, I don’t believe many teachers would dare to talk politics with their students.  There are too many legal repercussions nowadays. 

I would imagine gender reassignment might be more difficult than just using another name?

I would imagine gender reassignment might be more difficult

You ain’t kiddin’!!  All I can hear are the scissors, [shudder]....

Dave:  You misstate once again.  I called for his/her reassignment, not firing. Pun intended.

Zsa Zsa - gender reassignment is an extremely long and complicated process.  A person wanting to get right to the scissors (for you, Tom), has to go through a multitude of steps.  (The surgery is near the end of the procedure.)  The procedure I’m sure varies a bit from place to place, but from what I’ve heard someone needs to go through a ton of counseling first (to make sure it’s the right decision), hormone treatments, etc…  This is no hasty procedure…

Tammi: So, that entitles him/her to teach young kids?  I don’t get the connection with this thread, although I’m sure you are correct in what you say about the process.

Robert, I was only answering Zsa Zsa who had asked several questions on the subject.  You already know my opinion in this.  If she’s a good teacher, then let her teach… 

i think that she should not be criticized by nobody.  Only She knows why she did it and her sexuality is not what is going to be taught in the classroom.  People should learn to respect the decisions of others and live on with their lives.

What makes him/her above criticism?  Nobody’s perfect.

What makes him/her above creepiness? 

How much communication is non-verbal?  Over 70%...  We are visual beings.  Period! 

Nothing against her/his intellect or teaching credentials, just against hir ability to successfully teach around the distraction he creates.

Im glad that she got to sub…Its only right