Suspect in Police Slayings Pardoned by Huckabee?

By now you’ve heard of the cowardly assassination of four police officers in Washington.

Maurice Clemmons, the 37-year-old Tacoma man being sought for questioning in the killing this morning of four Lakewood police officers, has a long criminal record punctuated by violence, erratic behavior and concerns about his mental health.
Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protests of prosecutors.-Seattle Times

Although no one wants to make these killings political, if this guy is guilty and this is true, this is likely to do for Huckabee what Willie Horton did for Michael Dukakis. Say goodnight, Mr. Huckabee.
H/T Ace of Spades
Cross Posted at Proof Positive

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  • http://Array sayanything-4625

    You are one sick, stupid person Dino. Its real ballsy to shoot four people setting down in a restaurant doing paperwork. Just when I think you can’t sink any lower you start digging.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Wrong again, Dino-stem! John Lott has documented where gun ownership and concealed carry laws result in a reduction of violent crime.

    Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong, Dino?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Dimbulb Dino: According to your “logic” if a seat belt ever failed, then we might as well do away with all seat belts since they don’t work every time!

  • sayanything-2

    Just wait till dinothefakehomo starts his anti-gay screeching. This kind of thread ALWAYS brings that out of it.

  • sayanything-559

    Four powerful weapons wielded by four experienced marksmen failed
    hey A$$wipe… Dino
    This was an ambush. The first three were executed. The fourth cop was able to struggle long enough to draw his weapon, but was unable to survive the initial attack to do much good prior to dying.

  • sayanything-12

    This argument of Dino’s is the dumbest argument I’ve seen in my entire life. I think my cat comes up with more cogent arguments.

    The suspect is dead. Dino can cry about his rights now.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Fullofcr@pitized says:

    What is political about a criminal shooting a policeman??? Nothing.

    Well, duh! The political aspect had to do with the politician who made his release possible. If you weren’t mind numbingly stupid ( and so jealous of me it makes your teeth hurt!), you might recognize that.

    The rest of what you spew through your fecal stained teeth isn’t even worth rebutting!
    Go back to the kiddie pool, Wankertized, and maybe no one will notice how your damp, yellow stained “boardies” got that way!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Wankertized: I notice you’re still too cowardly to claim your previous comments. I don’t blame you! What a crock of stupid, racist, and misogynistic statements, with a liberal dose of military bashing thrown in for good measure.
    And it is nice that your ADD wore off long enough for you to remember to sign in as Hannitized and not Hanni, or Hann or Ha!

  • sayanything-13784

    Wow, dino you are one sick dude.

  • sayanything-2

    Oh, and defending a career criminal, thats real smart.

  • sayanything-4625

    Should I try car wrecks next? How about drownings?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Dino: The predictability of leftards to try to make this an argument against the Second Amendment is borne out by you. The fact is, a 98 pound weakling can beat Mike Tyson in a fight, if he sneaks up behind him and hits him with a baseball bat. (See: cowardly)

    You, in your diseased and not quite functioning mind, are not suggesting that since some armed individuals are not able to defend themselves that all people (except the criminals) should be disarmed, are you?

    Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong, Dino?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Juvenile violation or no, he was already doing 48 years for five felonies. I think the case to be made for him as a juvenile offender was lost four felonies ago!

  • sayanything-2

    “Hanitary Napkin” You win the Name A Leftard contest! Gonna use that one.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I couldn’t abide by Huckabee before this.

  • sayanything-4625

    http://www.nraila.org/issues/articles/read.aspx?id=125

    Chalk up another failure of conservative thinking: that armed citizens will make a difference in crime

    Depending on the study there are between .5 million and 2 million instances of armed citizens “making a difference” in crime. What a failure in thinking! Do you ever tire of being wrong o vile one?

  • sayanything-1714

    Although no one wants to make these killings political, if this guy is guilty and this is true, this is likely to do for Huckabee what Willie Horton did for Michael Dukakis. Say goodnight, Mr. Huckabee.

    Well then, by your own definition you are a nobody, because you just politicized it, BEFORE the evidence is confirmed.

    You just can’t resist, can ya?

    And I don’t care really, watching you extremists turn on Huckabee is a laugh riot. The moderate conservatives will see just how radical and on the fringe you are when you go after this nice fella.

  • sayanything-559

    If this is the murderer … Huckabee is toast
    My cousin is an officer with this department. Fortunately he was at home, off duty at the time, yet it’s such a tragedy that it happened at all. He’s fighting some tough emotions right now and I hope y’all will send your prayers for all the officers and their families

  • sayanything-12

    All this proves is guns kill. “Shocker.”

  • sayanything-2

    Positional awareness is not just finding your position on a map.

    Perhaps they should have heeded the sage advice seen on a Marine FOB in Iraq,”Have a plan to kill every single person you meet today”, since obviously their murderer was.

  • sayanything-15427

    It is called situational awareness, military have it when on the battlefield or on the ship / plane. Police should have it at all times while in uniform, but apparently they felt safe. Their mistake yes, still extremely sad and in no way reflects on gun rights or police carrying weapons.

    In Missouri we have places that actually teach conceal and carry courses and my instructor stresses to everyone situational awareness. You learn how to pay attention so you hopefully avoid situations where you would need to draw your weapon. However we also practice over the length of the course to make certain you CAN draw your weapon if needed in a timely manner, and are aware of the laws on where and how you can use it without getting in too much trouble.

    Those who carry legally or own a weapon for personal protection can not be painted with the same brush as criminals who don’t care about the law anyway.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    My advice would be have a plan to kill everyone you meet today, except of
    course for me. :-)

    That is that’d be my advice if I were in a combat situation. :)

  • southernsue

    i will never vote for huckabee. bible thumper or not. he has shown only pc crap as governor of arkansas by pardoning a lot of fellons. i remeber when huckabee did this

  • sayanything-2

    Why? So his kid can shoot your anti-human a$$ in the face? It will be a hard shot, figuring out which end to aim at.

  • sayanything-2

    Frontsight, my friend. And they are an advertizer on this here fine institution of free exchange,,,,of,,,well, this and that. You get the idea!

    Toot? For many years the streets in major cities, and many small towns, in America have been low-grade combat zones. And there is very little in the ways of defense against random crazies.

    I am wondering just how much local law enforcement knew about this “citizen”? Had he a rep locally for being a criminal, or was he fairly new to the area?

  • sayanything-203

    Chalk up another failure of conservative thinking: that armed citizens will make a difference in crime.

    Even if this were true, and it isn’t, your argument is irrelevant. The “right to keep and bear arms” is an individual right. That argument is over. You lost!

  • sayanything-2

    Funny, he came out and said he is NOT going to run in ’12. My, my, how the worm has turned.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I’m thinking that if one of these cops were alert he (she?) would have been
    able to stop this crime when the guy walked in the shop. If they had all
    been alert (rather than working paperwork) I’d be confident that the
    incident would have ended much differently.

    Basically it comes down to what the late great Jeff Cooper preached about
    being in condition yellow at all times.

  • sayanything-13784

    The shootings have nothing to do with gun laws, the shooter was a convicted felon. There are already laws prohibiting him from posessing. The criminals will always get guns, all law abiding citizens should be able to carry anywhere, anytime.

  • sayanything-2

    “So are the 4 armed police officers.” Which is the part dinothefakehomo is so orgasmicly ecstatic about. And now his career criminal hero got dead and harshed dinothefakehomo’s buzz.

  • Harry

    When someone is sent to prison, they are there for a reason Punishment. This social loser is a habitual criminal that did not want to conform to civility. The blood is on Huckabee’s hands. The failure is not the states justice system, but the failure of Huckabee himself.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    @sswipe-itized: The killings should not be political, but as you have pointed out, this is a political blog and there are political ramifications to the shooting. I’m sorry that you are too infantile and stupid to be able to discern this, but certainly, no one is surprised.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Turning on Huckabee? Wankertized: You are one of the village idiots that is always bleating that we conservatives never criticize Republicans. Now we criticize one and you start bleating something else! Why don’t you just admit that it is your own rabid partisanship that causes you to criticize us!

    You left wing nutters crack me up!

  • sayanything-203

    Dino,

    Your tantrum against guns, based as it is on hypotheticals, is amusing but also irrelevant.

    In last year’s Heller ruling the Supreme Court established that the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is an individual right which cannot be violated by the federal government. In the current MacDonald case the court is highly unlikely to rule that , in essence, the 14th Amendment applies all Bill of Rights protections to the states except the Second. Meaning that state and municipal bans on firearms are going to be as constitutionally impermissible as was that of DC, struck down in Heller.

  • sayanything-8606

    Do you carry? no…then shut the phuck up.

  • sayanything-8606

    I conceal carry because of morons like you.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I’m note (sic) wrong

    Silly Dino! Even when you try to claim you’re not wrong, you get it wrong! You are a laugh riot, Din!

    Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong, Dino?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    “Hanitary Napkin”? Heh. Don’t mind Whackjobitized! If I cured cancer tomorrow, he’d complain about all the doctors I put out of work!

  • sayanything-203

    There’s lots of accidental shootings, too. But they most often happen in the conservative areas so it’s a wash.

    I don’t suppose you have any authoritative documentation to support this bit of hyperbolic nonsense, do you?

    Didn’t think so!

  • sayanything-203

    4 cops who were armed and on duty are dead. Having sidearms AND the power to use them effectively didn’t stop them from dying.

    And your point is…?

    Those officers were killed by someone who got a gun in spite of the stringent gun control laws, and in spite of the fact that as a convicted felon he was legally disallowed from having a gun.

    Which proves, yet again, that gun control laws don’t work. Or rather, that they only work on those who have enough respect for the law to obey them in the first place.

  • sayanything-15427

    Huckabe…Meh, I was never excited by him anyway *shrug*

    DINO: If everyone else in that shop had a concealed weapon you can bet the guy wouldn’t have made it out the door after shooting them. And try to explain to me how the fact that those cops were carrying weapons led to them being shot please?

  • sayanything-4625

    Right Dino, its not like they were distracted, had their hands full of paperwork and were talking. It just proves you know nothing about guns.

  • sayanything-2

    None of the officers even had the chance to pull a weapon. Shot from behind without warning. Cowardly, like you.

  • sayanything-1714

    PROOFoundlystupid says:

    The killings should not be political, but as you have pointed out, this is a political blog and there are political ramifications to the shooting.

    You @sswipe. What is political about a criminal shooting a policeman??? Nothing.

    You and your cohorts are making this about Huckabee, not the criminal. Idiot.

    You don’t even know what the words “should not” mean. If it shouldn’t be, then don’t make it political. There is more to this than just Huckabee…..there is the guy who pulled the trigger….right? Or are you once again blurring the lines between blame and making someone morally responsible??? Like you did when you tried to blame the shootings on the military base on Clinton.

    You moron.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Fullofcr@pitized: No one is absolving the shooter or blaming Huckabee for the killings. That is the point we have made here and in the Fort Hood shooting, but you are just too mind numbingly frakkin’ stupid to understand simple English.

    You moron.

    Thanks for signing your work, Han-job! Now go take a long walk off a short pier.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ bikebubba

    Um, Dino, you might do well to consult a couple of sources before continuing to show your ignorance. Nobody claims that you can prevent a criminal from getting off the first few shots. However, you can present a situation to that criminal where he can expect, or at least fear, shots coming from a direction that he doesn’t expect.

    See John Lott’s “More Guns, Less Crime,” and also Joel Rosenberg’s “Everything you need to know to (Legally) carry a handgun in Minnesota.” Just because tactics don’t work in one case doesn’t mean that you discard the tool.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I’m not the one who’s confused here, Din! That’s right to carry a…..gun…which they possess!
    As far as the links to Mr. Lott’s work, I thought you were not such as helpless mewling infant as to be unable to use the Google. Start at his website and work your way out. I have work to do, rather than provide more information than you can comprehend and are philosophically opposed to accepting if you could understand it!

    http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

  • sayanything-203

    Carry laws don’t work either if 4 armed police officers could be “ambushed” at a coffee house.

    Once again, irrelevant. This whole sad incident has nothing whatsoever to do with concealed carry laws.

  • sayanything-2

    dinothefakehomo WANTS more crime, especially against gays and whites, as it wants more cops killed. It has told us this repeatedly.

  • sayanything-12

    And you’ll find there are less than 800 accidental shooting deaths per year in the US (of 2.5 millions deaths annually).

    And no statistics whatsoever on rural versus urban numbers.

  • sayanything-2

    Hey, dinothefakehomo has a readerblog post up calling for all security measures to be stripped from the White House and Congress because they don’t work. Go check it out, and hi-jack the thread, while you are at it. Some babes? Maybe some hunting pics?

  • stoopdavydave

    “And even then the shooting of the shooter won’t bring back the dead cops.”

    Hey Dino, I was gonna go out and get some lunch, but then I remembered that eating lunch wouldn’t bring back the dead cops, so really what would be the point?

  • sayanything-4416

    Yes, and most car accidents happen to those who are driving.

    In this case, Einstein, the “law-abiding” were not only ARMED, they were supposed expert marksmen.

  • sayanything-4416

    Related question for those who advocate the right to carry concealed weapons:

    So how much did it help the cops who had guns right there on their hips and had the skill and power to use them?

  • stoopdavydave

    “like Obama is a skilled orator”

    Obama is a skilled orator like Christopher Reeve was a skilled flier.
    SOME technological augmentation MAY have been involved in both cases.

  • sayanything-3444

    Agreed – anyone can be made to seem to be that which they are not.

  • sayanything-3444

    Huckabee, like Obama is a skilled orator and very good at masking his true beliefs behind words that sound good, but when examined at best mean nothing, and at worst mean exactly the opposite of what it sounded like. If this story is true, and I have no reason to believe it is not, this is just another example of liberal/moderate soft-headedness as it regards the ability of the prison system to rehabilitate a hardened socio/psychopath. This will go down as Huckabee’s “Willie Horton” moment.

  • sayanything-4416

    Even if everyone had a gun they couldn’t have stopped the first death. Maybe not even the second. The cops weren’t able to stop the fourth.

    And even then the shooting of the shooter won’t bring back the dead cops.

    PS to Ingemar: Grow up. One can discuss violent events that happened without apologizing. Your kind relishes violence anyway.

  • sayanything-4416

    Well, it’s not cowardice, that’s for sure.

  • sayanything-4416

    I can’t wait until one of your kids gets a hold of your gun.

  • sayanything-4416

    I’m note wrong. Four powerful weapons wielded by four experienced marksmen failed to stop the execution of even ONE of them. Not ONE.

    So much for your gun fascination.

  • bikebubba

    Dino, just because the good guys lose in one confrontation doesn’t mean we should disarm all the other good guys in the country, does it?

    Reality is that every permit holder and officer knows very well that a criminal might well get a few shots off before he can respond, and if the criminal is (as here) a good shot, he’ll be dead. However, it’s still good insurance against the criminal who either isn’t able/willing to deliver such a shot (just carries the gun for intimidation purposes), or also the criminal who is so lethal but doesn’t have you in the line of fire yet.

    That’s why we see heartwarming stories like these:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575529,00.html

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575586,00.html

    And again, I don’t know that Huckabee should pay that much of a price for this. He commuted a sentence for aggravated assault to…..a sentence a bit longer than an ordinary sentence for aggravated assault. Unless there are some very extenuating circumstances, I’m not going to suggest that he was wrong to think that aggravated assault ought not be punished with more jail time than is typically given for murder.

  • sayanything-4416

    Don’t confuse gun possession with right-to-carry. I know how you like to cloud issues.

  • sayanything-4416

    Hmm. Vague claims. No links.

    Here’s something I’m right about: 4 cops who were armed and on duty are dead. Having sidearms AND the power to use them effectively didn’t stop them from dying.

  • sayanything-4416

    The shooter was a coward? Without condoning what he did, let’s just say that blowing away four cops is pretty ballsy.

    Oh, and reagan also pardoned people who later committed crimes.

  • stoopdavydave

    “And even then the shooting of the shooter won’t bring back the dead cops.”

    Know what else won’t bring back the dead cops?
    Putting the shooter in jail won’t do it.
    So that’s a really good argument against jailing the shooter, right?
    Grow a brain.

  • justruss

    Hanitary Napkin just wishes he posted the story first as an attack on Huckabee, us doing it first means he is left without talking points.

  • sayanything-4416

    Sure didn’t make much of a difference to those 4 dead cops who were armed to the teeth, now did it?

    There’s lots of accidental shootings, too. But they most often happen in the conservative areas so it’s a wash.

  • bikebubba

    Dino, if you want to make the case that arming citizens doesn’t prevent crime, you’re going to need to deal with the reality that almost all mass killings–Columbine, Red Lake, Fort Hood, etc..–occur in places where the law abiding are disarmed.

    Put differently, when was the last mass killing at a gun range?

    My mistake, I’m asking Dino to deal with reality.

  • sayanything-4416

    Most shootings aren’t publicly announced ahead of time. Make that NONE of them are.

    Chalk up another failure of conservative thinking: that armed citizens will make a difference in crime.

  • stoopdavydave

    “let’s just say that blowing away four cops is pretty ballsy.”

    How you must envy such courage, eh?

  • sayanything-4416

    “The suspect is dead.”

    So are the 4 armed police officers.

  • sayanything-4416

    Type “accidental shootings” into Google.

  • bikebubba

    Proof, I’m reading 95 years for those felonies. Either way, it’s a pretty long sentence for “aggravated assault,” which is probably why Huckabee let him go. Evidently the court saw some things there that Huckabee didn’t–or both missed this, as obviously the guy has been freed or a bunch of other things.

  • sayanything-4416

    Carry laws don’t work either if 4 armed police officers could be “ambushed” at a coffee house.

  • spartacus

    You’re too kind. He’s not dim, he’s a burn out.

  • stoopdavydave

    “Carry laws don’t work either if 4 armed police officers could be “ambushed” at a coffee house.”

    Wow. Let’s see if I can follow this … this “logic.”
    Carry laws, despite being statistically proven to reduce violent crime, “don’t work” because … wait, now … because police officers (not private citizens) (and not carrying concealed) (in short, NOT even slightly relevant) can get ambushed, by a “pretty ballsy” felon packing an ILLEGALLY OWNED weapon (i.e. also NOT even slightly relevant).
    Fabulous. I can only marvel at reasoning skills like this.
    Let me add it to the lexicon of Dino’s Insights:
    Carry laws fail to keep cops from getting ambushed, therefore they don’t work.
    Capital punishment fails to bring dead cops back to life, therefore it doesn’t work.
    hmmm… pretty short list there, let me pad it out a bit …
    Traffic laws fail to prevent burglary, therefore they don’t work.
    Dental hygiene fails to prevent hurricanes, therefore it doesn’t work.
    Yeah, I think I’m getting the hang of this … pretty soon I’ll be able to reason Just Like Dino!

  • bikebubba

    Maybe this indicates a lack of judgment on Huckabee’s part, but the article suggests that there were at least two or three chances prosecutors got, and botched, to put this guy away in the past couple of years. Keep in mind that when Huckabee actually saw the case, it was for a juvenile violation.

    Huckabee gets a little blame here, but prosecutors botching cases has got to get about 100x more.

  • stoopdavydave

    “Related question for those who advocate the right to carry concealed weapons:”

    Perfect answer for those who advocate disarming the ordinary citizen:
    Find the cities and states that have enacted concealed-carry laws.
    Then look up the rates of violent crime BEFORE and AFTER the passage of those laws.
    Then explain away the consistent, dramatic DROP in the levels of those crimes.
    Or, in your case, explain away your failure to even look it up.
    Because, hey, those hypotheticals are working so well for you, aren’t they?

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