Surprise: Senate Health Care Bill Destroys Health Savings Accounts, Health Flex Plans

The liberals are fond of draping their health care efforts in free market rhetoric. They tell us that the “public option” would just be another choice on health. That the government-run health care exchanges will make it easier for citizens and/or their employers to choose their health care plans.
But the reality is that the Senate health care bill limits choice. And in one key area, limits choice when it comes to things like health savings accounts of health care flex plans which allow citizens to save some of their own money and use it for care.

Start with its attack on flexible spending accounts that are an important part of many employer plans. Flex accounts let employees set aside some portion of their pre-tax pay for out-of-pocket costs or medical services that their insurance plan doesn’t cover, such as a child’s orthodontics or testing supplies for diabetics. The Reid bill caps these now-unlimited accounts at $2,500 per year and imposes new restrictions on qualifying medical expenses, raising some $5 billion by exposing income above the non-indexed cap to taxes.
Democrats say flex accounts encourage wasteful spending, because an arbitrary “use it or lose it” rule doesn’t allow balances to roll over year to year. But they really hate them because they give consumers a more active role in managing spending, instead of having the government decide.
The Reid bill also assaults health savings accounts, or HSAs, which allow individuals to accumulate tax-free funds for future medical expenses when coupled with low-premium, high-deductible insurance. The Reid bill changes tax provisions to make HSAs less attractive, but the real threat comes via increased regulation.
These insurance products will likely be barred from the insurance “exchanges” that will demolish and supplant today’s individual market. Employers will also find them more difficult if not illegal to offer once the government has new powers to “define the essential health benefits” that all plans must eventually offer. Plans that focus mainly on catastrophic health expenses, instead of routine procedures, aren’t generous enough for Democrats.

Health savings accounts enhance choice. Citizens can choose the insurance plans to couple with their HSA’s and customize them to cover what they need. They can then use the money they put into their tax-sheltered HSA’s to cover a lot of the things normal health insurance plans don’t. Like vision. Dental. Orthodontics.
What’s more, with a HSA people are essentially spending their own money. Meaning that they’ll be more frugal in seeking care, something that will in turn drive down health care prices through competition.
If we really wanted to introduce more choice into health care, if we really wanted to drive down prices, then enhancing things like HSA’s is what we should be doing. Not hamstringing them.
But that’s presuming that those pushing this health care bill really want you to have more choice in health care. Which, of course, they don’t.

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  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    The Dems had totalitarian control over the House, where all spending bills originate, from 1954-1994. The promised to cut spending in exchange for President Reagan no vetoing their tax increases, but they lied. The wasteful social spending was all Dem, as it is the main Dem tactic for buying votes.

    If we could take away the Dem tactic of increasing wasteful social spending, the Dems would have to support American prosperity.

  • James Smithson

    Dino is an idiot. I’ve have a high-deductible health plan with an HSA for years. It is really the only way I’ve been able to afford health insurance. If a person has, as he says, only enough in their HSA to pay for one root canal, then that a problem with that person and their savings habit and use of the program. People are so accustomed to $15 co-pays at the doctor that the thought of actually saving money to pay for part of their medical expenses, in exchange for less expensive insurance, is odd and undesirable. Well Dino, a few of us Americans still enjoy making our own decisions and taking care of ourselves. FWIW: My wife and I, combined, have an AGI of less than $50K, so I doubt we’re “rich” by your standards. Educate yourself instead of spouting rhetoric and you’ll find many people, who are neither stupid nor ignorant, who are not rich yet enjoy having a HDHP and a HSA.

  • sayanything-15427

    “Theoretically, the government shouldn’t be interfering in the health care market by offering tax savings to people with HSAs. Isn’t that what you people always say?”

    Yes.

    Theoretically there should be some kind of tax system that forced everyone to pay the exact same taxes up front but with some sort of tiered pre-bate every month to offset those taxes for those below the poverty level. Cough in any case, the government needs to get the hell out of the business of picking winners and losers by using taxes with threat of jail and fines if you can’t pay or conveniently forget to pay like corrupt democrats.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    Both dino and ellinas are the sort of ignorant fools who don’t know that wealthy customers are best for any business. Duh. Conservatives want everyone to be prosperous, while you lefties want everyone(except your ruling elite) to be poor and hopeless.

    You big govt types think you can steal from the achievers indefinitely. You’re wrong.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    Soliciting personal information is stalking.

  • IA

    You are an idiot!!

  • rucktanner

    Dino,

    My husband and I, middle class wage earners, have an employer provided high deductible/ HSA plan. Two years ago my husband was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor, much like Senator Kennedy’s. To date we have spent of our own funds maybe $3k of the $150k in medical bills. The rest has been covered by employer contributions to the HSA, which have covered the deductibles, and by the insurance companies. Would I like not to have spent $3k of our own money? Sure. Do I feel blessed that we have the coverage we do? Yes. Would I like being forced onto a government plan if my husband’s employer finds it impossible to pay the premiums of plans deemed better for us? No. I have done extensive research into the diagnostic and treatment protocols of the Canadian health care system as opposed to what we have been afforded in my husband’s journey. He likely would have died by now, had we had the limited options afforded Canadians with the same condition. Instead my husband is back to work full time (has been for over a year) and does just about everything he did prior to his diagnosis. We are indeed blessed. I shudder to think about what may be in store for us all should a Democrat sponsored, public/government regulated plan go into effect.

  • farm4money

    ellinas, sorry to come in late on this thread … but earlier, you commented on the Canandian Health Care System. I was not sure what point you were trying to make and would like you to expand a little.

    I have some knowledge on their system in Canada as I live 20 miles from it, have many friends there, travel there, and have used their system. I am no expert but I do know that the system is not good. You do get emeg. care as i did, but best hope you don’t need preventive care or non emergancy surgery. (they seemed really happy to bill blue cross of ND for my care. I offered to pay in cash, but they asked if i had insurance. When I told them I did, they said no to cash and that they would bill BC/BS as they knew they would get paid)

    With your living in CA, I was wondering what the government health care system in Mexico was like. I know you may be in northern CA but if you have some knowledge on how things are across the other boarder, I would find it interesting.

    Not trying to be a pain in the a$$ this time, but do think it would be interesting. No one ever talks about Mexico.

  • CINAS

    Atlas – I am very late to the party here, but your 12/19/09 reply to DINO was extremely well said. Your car insurance analogy is the perfect retort to all the ABC/MSNBC fed automatons who use that sophomoric argument as a parallel to healthcare. They ignore the individual’s right to choose to drive and the potential impact (pardon the pun) on the freedom of others when their uninsured vehicle rams them into a wall. By comparison, there is no chance of violating another’s rights by choosing not to buy yourself government proscribed healthplan; and yet the bill mandates that one must. Love your final line especially – sounds like something Rand would say (hmmm… Atlas ___?) I leave you with one of my own, modified from a founder classic: He who gives up an ounce of freedom for Healthcare, deserves neither.

  • sayanything-4603

    do you ever step back and think, you take delite in spewing redrick that when you write you show your ignorance, unless this is the only way to believe you can have friends(in your mind)because they respound to you, I have yet to read any thig you have wrote that makes sence

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    So much for “choice” and “competition”. The Dems are totalitarians, and their agenda is to eliminate choice and competition.
    Single payer=central planning. Welcome to Marxist healthcare. The future: shortages and rationing.

  • Atlas

    Dino clearly does not have a clue what the real purpose of insurance or HSAs are. The purpose of health insurance is similiar to other lines of coverage, which is to minimize the financial risk of an individual incurring large medical expenses. Its purpose is not to redistribute wealth. The reason most states do not have regulations today that require insurance companies to cover anyone, regardless of medical history is because this creates the ultimate death spiral and moral hazard. Individuals will wait until they are sick to buy insurance, since their high claims will reduce incentives for healthy individuals to buy coverage, since the premiums will be sky high. Thus, the risk pool becomes full of only sick individuals and high loss ratios, which force the insurance companies to go out of business.This is equivalent to an individual without car insurance getting into accident then demanding a counter party, an insurance company, covering damage that he caused while he didn’t have insurance. In addition see NJ, MA or NY which have the high premiums in the nation which is largely due to a ban on denying insurance coverage based on preexisting conditions.
    Remember you can not make a weak man strong by making a strong man weak.

  • jdkchem

    dino, have you been a useless ignorant turd all of your life?

  • sayanything-106

    Hey DUMB A$$ STFU. Again another stupid comment. FSA’s let people save incase they have a major illenss.

  • sayanything-106

    DINO STFU. Liberals shouldn’t have a say whether people have FSA or not.

  • j.l.

    And neither one of them had the intellect (or the facts) to argue one of the main points of the post- that this part of the bill will decrease “choice”.

  • lock’em’up

    I really never understood how much the Cons used the system until this year. They are used to getting all the perks, and now they are afraid that someone will get something that they used to have. That’s why they are so desperate and willing to use such outlandish scare tactics.

    Hey Chick-Con littles, yer gonna be fine.

  • We The People

    DINO, the next time you need a job, go ask a liberal, government teat-sucking victim for one.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    “Theoretically, the government shouldn’t be interfering in the health care market by offering tax savings to people with HSAs. Isn’t that what you people always say?”

    Wrong again! The market is already distorted by allowing employer supplied healthcare plans to be purchased with pretax dollars, so allowing private purchasers to buy their healthcare with pretax dollars just levels the playing field. Isn’t that something you lefties are always squealing about? Why the double standard?

  • sayanything-453

    Yea, sure. The Canadian streets are littered with corpses. Corpses of people diagnosed with malignant brain tumor.

  • sayanything-453

    Why would you compare Mexico to the USA and Canada?
    There is no comparison. You certainly know that.

    However look at this:
    Life expectancy in 2006 was estimated to be at 75.4 years (72.6 male and 78.3 female). The states with the highest life expectancy are Baja California (75.9 years) and Nuevo León (75.6 years). The Federal District has a life expectancy of the same level as Baja California.

    The lowest levels are found in Chiapas (72.9), Oaxaca (73.2) and Guerrero (73.2 years). The mortality rate in 1970 was 9.7 per 1000 people; by 2001, the rate had dropped to 4.9 men per 1000 men and 3.8 women per 1000 women. The most common reasons for death in 2001 were heart problems (14.6% for men 17.6% for women) and cancer (11% for men and 15.8% for women).

    Versus this for the USA:

    The United States life expectancy of 77.8 years at birth is a year shorter than the overall figure in Western Europe, and three to four years lower than that of Norway, Switzerland, and Canada. Over the past two decades, the country’s rank in life expectancy has dropped from 11th to 42nd in the world. The infant mortality rate of 6.37 per thousand likewise places the United States 42nd out of 221 countries, behind all of Western Europe. U.S. cancer survival rates are the highest in the world. Approximately one-third of the adult population is obese and an additional third is overweight; the obesity rate, the highest in the industrialized world, has more than doubled in the last quarter-century. Obesity-related type 2 diabetes is considered epidemic by health care professionals. The U.S. adolescent pregnancy rate, 79.8 per 1,000 women, is nearly four times that of France and five times that of Germany. Abortion, legal on demand, is highly controversial. Many states ban public funding of the procedure and restrict late-term abortions, require parental notification for minors, and mandate a waiting period. While the abortion rate is falling, the abortion ratio of 241 per 1,000 live births and abortion rate of 15 per 1,000 women aged 15–44 remain higher than those of most Western nations.

    Versus Canada:
    Birth rate: 10.28 births/1,000 population (2009 est.)

    Death rate: 7.74 deaths/1,000 population (2009 est.)

    Net migration rate: 5.63 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2009 est.)

    Sex ratio:

    at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female
    under 15 years: 1.05 male(s)/female
    15–64 years: 1.02 male(s)/female
    65 years and over: 0.78 male(s)/female
    total population: 0.98 male(s)/female (2009 est.)
    Infant mortality rate: 5.04 deaths/1,000 live births (2009 est.)

    Life expectancy:
    total population: 81.23 years
    male: 78.69 years
    female: 83.91 years (2009 est.)
    Total fertility rate: 1.58 children born/woman (2009 est.)

    I wonder what is going on.

  • MarkSD

    you fool! My wife and I have HSA’s and we are far from ric

  • sayanything-4416

    Drama Queen strikes again.

  • bikebubba

    Eliminating HSAs and FSAs woudl be a tax hike on the middle class, the same kind of tax hike that Comrade Obama specifically promised he’d reject.

  • sayanything-4416
  • sayanything-4416

    You know, ellinas, the cons like to paint themselves as being self-reliant but they take from the collective at a greater extent than anyone.

    If you want to know how to get something for nothing, ask a conservative how to do it. They’re the experts.

  • sayanything-4416

    I would bet that the middle class wouldn’t miss HSAs because they’re not even used much by them.

    Theoretically, the government shouldn’t be interfering in the health care market by offering tax savings to people with HSAs. Isn’t that what you people always say?

  • sayanything-4416

    Hey idiot, figure out who ran Congress under reagan yet? LOL

  • sayanything-4416

    You’re just one of the suckers who think HSAs will do anything for you in the event of a major illness.

    One root canal will eat up most peoples’ HSAs.

  • sayanything-453

    I don’t know what you mean by funny
    I am not asking you to divulge personal information. I just want to think.
    All work and no play is not good.

  • sayanything-4416

    Makes sence? If u kan reed this u kan go too skool.

  • sayanything-4808

    Actually Mangina Boy, that would be you. You’ve contributed nothing to society, your family, your neighborhood, or even your own life. Yet you still draw breath and fail to starve to death. You’ve gotten everything in your pathetic life for nothing.

    Of course, that will change as soon as you attempt to put your neck where your mouth is and sound off at a tea party. In the meantime, have fun living under a rock while you and everyone else knows you are a gutless windbag who hangs out on a conservative blog because you’re unwelcome among your own kind and have to live at the mercy of your enemies.

  • sayanything-453

    I was not trying to tie anything together.
    When did you last go on vacation and where?

  • sayanything-4808

    Projecting again? I do service or offer goods, I get paid. Fair exchange by the free will of the participants without coercion. You on the other hand pester people until they pay you to go away.

    As a matter of fact, I can illustrate that. I’d click Rob’s PayPal link and pay to make you permanently go away from this blog.

    Of course, this has always been the case for me and everyone else here. We also feel the same about the rest of your fellow leftist roaches who spend your time high-fiving each other like second graders.

    Maybe that’s yet another thing that grinds you. How much others would be willing to go to if it meant a cessation of your psychotic nonsense.

  • sayanything-4808

    Dino is a deranged loon folks. For those unfamiliar with him, he has openly wished for cops to be shot and thinks that ejaculation in an underaged boy’s mouth is humor material. He regularly wishes for the destruction of others and the suffering of pretty much everyone. He displays a veritable salad bar of symptoms from the DSM-IV pertaining to antisocial personality disorder, psychopathy, and even worse in a melange of utter worthlessness.

    Rob takes pity on the wretch and lets him hang here because no one else on Earth wants him and Dino is too far gone to recognize it. I usually have some kind words for the worst people, but Dino is one of the very few I’d not shed a tear for if he stepped in front of a truck.

    Actually, I’d probably tell the driver to back over him for good measure.

  • bikebubba

    Dina, the fact remains that eliminating FSA and HSA accounts would be a tax hike on the middle class. Can’t you get it through your head that promises matter?

    And for the record, among the actual taxpayers in the middle class, they’re pretty darned popular. When you’re getting taxed at 32% to 40%, every bit matters.

  • MarkSD

    WTF! Are you writing a book?

  • sayanything-4416

    HSAs should be abolished. They’re simply a way for the rich to escape taxation. Most people have no way of saving anything substantial in these tax shelters.

    I LOVE that they are going to be destroyed.

  • sayanything-453

    No I am not writing a book. However I wonder what have you sacrifised to tell us that you have a HSA. If you are young and have children you will need college funds. Better get started now. Also note, that all work and no play is detrimental to you health, marriage and family.

  • sayanything-453

    I am away. Stockton California.
    That far enough for you?
    Having said that, take my advise and if you have little ones start some 529 College Savings accounts. You will need them.

  • sayanything-453

    Do you have health insurance? Do you have a college fund for your kids/grandkids?
    A vacation fund? An “enjoy the life fund”?

  • sayanything-4416

    And they have that attitude while they fill their pockets and take as much as they can get away with.

  • rbidell

    Boy are you a moron! Your opinion obviously does not come from having an H.S.A. or researching one. An HSA lets you become your own insurance company. When we switch to a high deductible to an HSA we took the $800 we were paying Aetna and split it, we paid $350 to United Health and $450 to the HSA and never had to pay another dime out of pocket again. Never had to worry about co-pays or prescriptions, all taken care of by the money we put into the HSA tax free. And what ever we did not use, rolled over to the next year. By the way, the average income for people with an HSA is $60,000, that does not sound rich to me!

  • MarkSD

    Of course I have health insurance. And no I don’t have the others you mentioned. I don’t know what you were trying to tie together,

    Bur I’m glad DINO has found a couple of friends he can play with. Be careful, watch out for traffic.

  • r2323

    Your a jackass. What part of still being covered by insurance, but having money go into your own account rather than the insurance companies pocket is hard to understand? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

  • MarkSD

    Go away!

  • sayanything-453

    I agree Dino. The me, mine and copulate the rest mentality.

  • MarkSD

    Funny. At my age I’ve sacrificed a lot. And deserve to have the government keep their hands out of my pockets.

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