Surprise: House Health Care Bill Includes A 69% Increase In Capital Gains Taxes

Bet you would have liked to of known that before it passed in the House. The Democrats are in much too much of a hurry to let anyone scrutinize these bills before they vote on them.

House Democrats are funding their new entitlement with a 5.4% surtax on incomes above $500,000 for individuals and above $1 million for joint filers. The surcharge is intended to snag the greatest number of taxpayers to raise some $460.5 billion, and so the House has written it to apply to modified adjusted gross income. That means it includes both capital gains and dividends.
That surtax takes effect on January 1, 2011, or the day the Bush tax rates of 2001 and 2003 expire. Today’s capital gains tax rate of 15% would bounce back to 20% because of the Bush repeal and then to 25.4% with the surtax. That’s a 69% increase, overnight. The last time investors were hit with anything comparable was 1986, when the capital gains rate jumped to 28% from 20%, a 40% increase, as part of the Reagan tax reform that lowered income tax rates.

And as you can probably guess, that didn’t exactly work out great in 1986:

The 1986 experience was not a happy one. Tax revenues from capital gains surged before the increase took effect in 1987, as investors moved to cash in at the lower rate. Revenues then plummeted. Total realized capital gains didn’t again reach their 1985 level of $172 billion until 1996. By 1992, the federal government was barely getting more in revenue ($29 billion) at the 28% rate than it did in 1985 ($26.5 billion) at the 20% rate.
Rate reductions, as in 2003 when Republicans cut the rate to 15% from 20%, have typically had the opposite effect. Treasury receipts from capital gains climbed to an estimated $117.8 billion in 2006 from $49 billion in 2002.

That analysis is from the perspective of government revenues, but more important here is the impact this would have on the economy. Which, given its already weakened state, would be devastating.
At a time when we want more economic activity, to create more prosperity and more jobs, we’re going to nail investors who drive that activity with a massive tax hike?
That’s madness. It’s a recipe for more economic stagnation and more unemployment and, generally, more misery.
But the Democrats have themselves between a rock and a hard place. The deficits they’ve created are becoming politically inconvenient, and so their health care bill can’t appear to add to them. That means massive tax hikes, but it also means in turn more recession.
Which is something some (such as myself) have been warning about since the beginning of the Obama administration. Going on a spending spree to save the economy and create massive new entitlement programs like this health care represents won’t promote economic rescue, as the Democrats claim. Instead, it will only ensure that our recession goes on for longer and is more hurtful than it had to be.

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  • http://Array sayanything-48

    Now’s a GREAT time to get out of the stock market… Time for investment in silver.

  • sayanything-106

    I agree and to say thankyou to Earl we should vote him out of office.

  • sayanything-4603

    our three clowns are removing opertunities from all of us to start and run profitable buisness that create jobs.they need to be removed from office for treason against our constititoin will it is stiil relavent. nd is one of 18 states that can recall our reps

  • sayanything-342

    EVERYONE will suffer from this, even worthless liberals who never invest

  • AKA WOOF

    Weep for those bankers and their stock options.

  • HG

    On behalf of all the liberal bastards who voted for this;
    “Merry Christmas America.”

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    That’s like saying banks have so much money that bank robberies shouldn’t bother them.
    Pure, idiotic nonsense.
    Great justification for govt theft, though.

  • sayanything-9974

    What a shame that the elected representatives of the people did not read the legislation before they voted. I wish I could be paid and not do my job. I wonder if they will have the guts to say they did not know that was in there. That should be defined as gross negligence and dereliction of duty, and justification for immediate removal from office.

  • sayanything-4603

    you are right demacrap members of congress are the real robbers of our futures

  • sayanything-7775

    Don’t forget the impact that capital gains taxes have on retirement accounts. It won’t be just the big-shots that are going to pay.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    As a Marxist liar, you always forget to mention the fact that no bank can force people to deposit their money in that bank; they have to offer people something in return for their money, unlike your commie govt, which just takes what it wants, under threat of imprisonment.
    The greedy govt robs everyone, and Obama’s govt has robbed more than any govt in our history, with predictable results.

  • AKA WOOF

    Banker robbers are the ones who hurt the nation,
    people who rob banks are small potatoes.

  • AKA WOOF

    Weep for hedge fund managers who pay no income tax .

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    That’s the Marxist view, Rob; word for word. woof is a dedicated Marxist.
    Of course, Marx was wrong about everything…

  • AKA WOOF

    Wealth worshiping Chumps .
    Ready to take on burdens for the wealthy.
    We tried the Republican answer to all difficulties,
    tax cuts for the wealthy.
    The rich banked more and the economy tanked.

    Hedge fund guys pay 15% tax on $100 Million and you pay 30%,
    on 5 figures, what’s up with that?

  • j.l.

    Woof just likes to keep repeating the dem talking points memo on Bushs tax cuts-”cuts for the wealthy”. Of course all brackets recieved a cut, but that`s besides the point to him. Damn facts! A more honest phrase would have been “tax cuts for the people who pay the most taxes.” But there`s not as much false class warfare in that one. “Weep for the hedge fund managers who pay no income tax.” Ok, but only if you promise to weep for the bottom 40% or so of wage earners who also pay no income tax.

  • sayanything-342

    Lefty jealousy. Jealous of achievers and people who take financial risks. Jealous of success. Jealous of the practical education of others. Jealous of those who live larger because they can. Jealous of their morals and ethics. Jealous that they found God. Jealous that they don’t worship left wing ideology. Jealous that they don’t “need” the excuses of the left.

    Green with envy, the real “green” energy policy from the left.

  • sayanything-2819

    OBAMA: I think I put out the principle that penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.

    Enough said.

    They’re gaming us and we are supposed to smile and say thank you.

  • AKA WOOF

    Nothing wrong with making lots of money.
    When you do, and I believe everyone has that opportunity
    if they stay alert, the taxes won’t bother you.

  • sayanything-3430

    Thank you Mr. Pomeroy.

  • sayanything-15427

    No not silver, well…maybe silver. Silver usually depreciates in value as opposed to Gold with normally keeps up with inflation (except in a run on gold like might be happening now). With a run on gold and its inavailability I suppose Silver might be a safer bet than greenbacks in the long run.

    But…But…But you can’t burn silver for heat when they turn off your gas…so There!

  • sayanything-4603

    it is odd how people can trust the fed when they skrew up everything and with some word smithing get people to buy the bs. must be to many years of drug abuse

    check out this link from canada http://www.galganov.com/editorials.asp?ID=1147

  • headward

    “We tried the Republican answer to all difficulties, tax cuts for the wealthy.”

    In 2004, there was no recession. The MSM wanted you to think otherwise. Also the Bush tax cuts affected everybody, not just the wealthy. Remember why we’re in this recession. The collapse of the housing sector and the falling dollar. That is the Democrats policy, yet we’re trying to spend our way out of debt and tax our people out of wealth. These policies don’t make sense.

  • mplsbob

    I remember when the Bush tax cuts went into effect. I don’t make a lot of money, but when I saw my check with more money I thought there was a mistake. I had to check with accounting and found out that I actually got to keep more of my money because government was taking less. Man that was nice. And when the Bush tax cuts expire people(middle class) will notice less money in their checks and people will be pissed off. Maybe some day when we vote these socialist pigs out we will see freedom and liberty return.

  • headward

    I’ll give you a hint. Cheesy Gordita Crunches are onsale.
    http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1659668

  • sayanything-4808

    Just one more reason to buy annuities and investments that pay out in other nations and keep the money there.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Good point. Why invest in America when you can invest in more tax-friendly climes?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Banks provide capital. Banks provide safe repositories for money. Banks are at the heart of our economy.

    But nobody forces you to do business with a bank. Unlike government.

    Funny that poodle is willing to have the government rule our lives but thinks banks are evil.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Weep for those investors who won’t fund the business start-ups that provide
    jobs.

    Weep for those people with brilliant ideas who won’t get capital because of
    the tax implications.

    Weep for those people who will lose their jobs as investors flee the markets
    ahead of punishing new taxes.

    But don’t weep for poodle, who sits on his couch and demands that other
    people subsidize his existence.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Wealth worshipping? What, you don’t want to be wealthy? You don’t think I should be free to pursue wealth?

    Here’s reality pal: if you want the economy to recover get off the backs of the people who make it work.

    My guess is you don’t want it to work because you’ve got some utopian view of everyone living on little organic farms and singing kumbaya. Well, that’s not how the world works.

    Deal with it. Or go live in one of the hell holes where they do things your way.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Poodle thinks the prosperous got that way by screwing over other people and so they must be punished for their crimes by having their wealth redistributed.

  • headward

    Raising capital gains tax is dangerous. You’ll see investors stop investing here. They are already shedding US companies because of a weak dollar. You’ll also see unemployment to start to tick up faster than normal. Increase the taxes and minimum wage, you’ll see less jobs and employers shedding employees to keep costs down and they heads above water. I see unemployment to about 12.4% by Febuary.

  • bikebubba

    Woof, anyone who buys or sells real estate, stocks, bonds, or other financial instruments is going to be hurt, and badly, by this.

    Put differently, one of the big engines of prosperity is start-up companies. Now typically, start-ups don’t have a big pool of cash to pay top people to work there. So you give them stock options–the bet is that in exchange for lower than market wages, they’ll get much higher than market capital gains if the plan works.

    Now tell them that their gains will be taxed at 25% instead of 15%–you’ve just cut their prospects for gain by about 15%. Watch a bunch of people who otherwise would have joined a start-up stay at their old job.

    At the same time, watch the venture capitalists withhold their money because the risk is too great, and the prospect for gain is also 15% less.

    Watch a bunch of entry level people who would have worked at the start up remain unemployed. Why do you hate the lower middle class and poor, Woof? You cannot help the poor by oppressing the prosperous.

  • sayanything-1317

    The Bush tax cuts gave everyone a lot of money back. Of course poodle is against people keeping their own money.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    It takes someone who is pretty economically illiterate to assume that only
    hedge fund managers pay capital gains taxes.

  • sayanything-6955

    Poodle isn’t the only one who thinks that way, the “ONE” does too! As well as 90% of todays democrat party.

  • sayanything-4808

    It’s not your money, it is the money of whoever earned it. Your fellow leftists have crossed the line from taxation to exaction and usurpation; you’re using the power of the state to commit outright theft.

    One day it is going to catch up with you.

  • sayanything-1317

    I remember when Michael Moore ripped Republicans a new one for voting for the Patriot Act without reading it.

    Where is he now?

  • mplsbob

    Good luck with that.

  • sayanything-221

    If the Democrats get all they want in this legislative session, you can kiss the economy good bye.
    We will be a Social Democracy just like most countries in western Europe.
    Look at the economies of Germany, France, England, etc, we will be there soon. It ain’t pretty.

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