Supporting Christopher Dorner Is Like Supporting Abortion Clinic Bombers

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Perhaps it’s fitting when Occupy Wall Street is holding up Robin Hood as a hero that someone like Christopher Dorner, who went on a murder rampage after alleging that he was fired for blowing the whistle on police brutality, would also become a sort of hero to some (including, specifically, the occupiers).

But what often gets forgotten when it comes to people like Dorner, or the mythical figure of Robin Hood, is that they were “ends justify the means” sort of people.

“The urge to make myth, to try and redeem humans who commit immoral acts under the flag of moral causes, is understandable,” writes Ta-Nehisi Coates at The Atlantic. “It’s understandable in those who look at Jesse James and see not the straight white supremacist, but the scourge of greedy bankers and acquisitive industrialists against whom, it seemed, none could stand. And it’s more understandable among a people disproportionately brutalized by the police who look at Christopher Dorner, and see not a murderer but a plague on a police force that is, itself, above the law.”

But, as Coates points out, you still have to acknowledge that Jesse James and Robin Hood were killers and thieves. And Dorner was just a flat-out killer.

People who are supporting Dorner make me think of pro-life extremists who bomb abortion clinics. I’m very pro-life, but I don’t think murdering people and/or destroying property is a justifiable means to ending abortion.

I also don’t think that fighting terrorism justifies giving our President the power to order assassination-through-drone-strike on US citizens.

Just because a cause might be good and just doesn’t mean evil is justified in pursuit of it.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    You have to be downright anti-American not to support going after traitors who decide to go to war with our country. Drone strikes against those who turncoat against the US should also be targeted for bombing.

    The only reason the extreme far right wack-jobs don’t support killing our sworn enemies is when it’s Bush bombing children in a needless war in Iraq…..that’s ok wiht them.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      A Congressionally-authorized war is not the same thing as the President making the unilateral decision to kill a US citizen.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Iraq was not a declared war, WWII was the last declared war. All you are doing is making a distinction without a difference and using improper terms to fit your narrow political narrative.

        And let’s be clear how you side step the fact that a traitor who joins our enemies who has declared war against us makes them a legitimate target.

        He renounced his citizenship by joining in a fight with those who declared war with the US.

        • Ed

          “a traitor who joins our enemies who has declared war against us makes them a legitimate target.”

          Why is the Fort Hood shooter still alive and being paid by the obama administration?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Because I believe your precious institution has set it up to protect their own, even while they do about murdering people with guns. In this case you just don’t like the skin color of the murderer, so it’s a problem for you.

            “The bottom line is when you cut through everything we are as an army, we have to be fair to him regardless of what we saw or we think we saw or whatever the case may be,” Campbell said. “It’s imperative we maintain the integrity of the court martial so he gets as fair a shot as possible defending himself with his team.”

            Campbell is the Commander at Fort Hood.

          • slackwarerobert

            One of his “victims” was a texas police officer, if they hand him over to texas he would have been fried 3 years ago already. They created the express lane just for this type of scum, and could care less if he is a hairy ape sitting in the court room.

          • $16179444

            typical liberal – when backed into a corner you pull out the usual drivel (i.e. race / skin color) – a more pathetic poster doesn’t exist

            Ed made a valid point and all you can do is rehash yourself into the dunce corner. you speak of getting a fair shot yet turn a blind eye to Obama and drone strikes on Americans w/o granting them that same fair shot.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            What are you babbling about? How does a traitor deserve a fair shot once he has joined forces with the enemy who has declared war against us, idiot.

          • $16179444

            well since its obvious you don’t understand whats behind it, let me once again educate you:

            the memosspecifically states it ” does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests willtake place in the immediate future,” (well isn’t that special)

            the Constitution says we’re entitled to due process. Lord Obama or someone in his administration simply believing something, doesn’t constitute due process. The silence from the left on this is the height of hypocrisy

            so, to recap – Drones strikes good, waterboarding bad

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            How does that change the fact that he joined forces with an enemy who declared war against us. That’s cause for termination right there. He doesn’t have to be planning anything. He’s done.

            Nice attempt to obfuscate though. Did you think you were making a point?

          • $16179444

            only you would consider a well thought out post chock full of facts as ‘babbling’

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No, you were babbling. He was a SELF declared enemy of the USA.

        • slackwarerobert

          So how do you justify attacking libya then? congress never even were told about that one of obamas.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I’m not justifying anything, I am just pointing out the clear hypocrisy from the right wing loons.

          • JoeMN

            Meanwhile, you better keep Cindy Sheehan on a short leash in case history repeats itself and a Republican must fight Obama’s wars.

          • $16179444

            oh you mean like when Obama has done exactly what Bush did (infinitely more) and gets a pass when idiots like you slammed Bush? that hypocrisy?

          • $16179444

            you couldn’t justify yourself out of a paper bag….

        • $16179444

          Iraq was not a declared war? WTF?!? Brush up on UN Resolutions son.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Please link us to the U.S. Declaration of War on Iraq, big boy.

          • $16179444

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441

            the Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the
            Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002
            [1], Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res.
            114) is a joint resolution (i.e., a law) passed by the United States
            Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.
            http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf

          • $16179444

            Congress hasn’t used a formal declaration of war since ww2 but that
            doesn’t mean its not a war. Congress doesn’t have to have a declaration
            of war.The constitution says that “congress has the power to declare
            war”.Nothing else specific So they can declare war in whatever fashion
            they want.It doesn’t have to be named declaration of war.They voted to
            authorize the Iraq war.So you can go to war.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Thank you for endorsing my previous statement that Congress hasn’t declared war since WWII. It’s too bad you couldn’t admit you were wrong from the beginning, you would certainly look a lot less stupid.

          • $16179444

            once again you’ve missed the point or just didn’t understand what was posted….no surprise. maybe after mommy makes you pancakes and pays your bills you and she can sit down with your hooked on phonics and learn something

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            If you can’t link to a formal declaration of war, just say so.
            We will understand.

          • $16179444

            asked and answered. just because YOU don’t understand it, doesn’t mean its not true.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Don’t worry there, big boy, we understand.

          • $16179444

            you neither understand nor comprehend. i realize there are some big words in my previous posts, but sadly i’ve run out of paper and crayons. next time.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          Afghanistan is Obama’s war. He didn’t get any declaration to step up activity there nor has he gotten any congressional approval for the over 2000 drone strikes he has used thus far.
          As for Iraq…
          Resolution 1441, signed by the majority of congress (both parties) and adopted unanimously by the United Nations Security Council on 8 November 2002, offering Iraq under Saddam Hussein “a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations” that had been set out in several previous resolutions.

          Iraq agreed to the resolution but failed to comply to the requirements.

          The action taken against Iraq was after extensive opportunities for compliance were rejected by Saddam.
          He tested our resolve…and lost.
          game over

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            So mouse, the Afghanistan war, which bush started in 2001, is in your “mind”, President Obama’s war?

        • slackwarerobert

          Are you sure. Perhaps they only passed an authorization for use of force against us. It makes a difference because war has certain powers that are not available without it, assassinating people would be one of them. POW’s another. Besides I see no evidence the declared war on us, they are attacking just about everybody on the planet including each other. So it could be argued we are acceptable collateral damages for them.

    • awfulorv

      According to the law of expected consequences, far more children, and adults, would have been thrown off two story buildings, or hung by piano wire, to suffer agonizing deaths, by Saddam’s secret police, than met their deaths through collateral bombing.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Statistics show that more death resulted and continues to occur in Iraq than the pre 1990 figures you are using to skew your political belief system. Plus there is the added bonus of Al Qaeda flourishing in Iraq, where as they were not present before……but thanks for proving my point and self identifying yourself.

        • guest

          But…but…obama said we won in Iraq, or was he lying again?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            We did “win” the war, but that doesn’t always mean winning wars makes anything better.

            Just because you’re stupid and can’t figure things out doesn’t mean this information is going to be helpful to you.

          • guest

            If I was stupid, I would believe you’re mentally balanced and intelligent.

          • mickey_moussaoui

            spot on observation

          • $16179444

            drone strikes against Americans, Fast and Furious, Benghazi and you don’t give a damn because your boy has a (D) next to his name.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No, I think Fast and Furious was a mistake, a stupid one, but it wasn’t half as bad as Iran Contra, and you guys worship Ollie.

          • $16179444

            or lets see the first world trade center bombings, the Khobar Towers,ect get swept under the rug

          • $16179444

            how could you call it a war if you just stated it wasn’t declared a war? derp.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So you don’t think the war in Iraq was a war? Really? Going with that, are ya?

          • $16179444

            winning wars doesn’t always makes things better? LMFAO – you are w/o a doubt the biggest idiot.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Hitler won lots of wars….but of course in your mind…that’s a good thing.

        • slackwarerobert

          but the palestinian terrorists were there before. I laughed my butt off when they were wining to the UN they couldn’t go back home to kill jews. But I am glad you agree kiliong obama with a drone is OK, he has destroyed the country and constitution better than anyone.

        • $16179444

          LOL – Al Qaeda has always been in Iraq. You are w/o a doubt the biggest idiot on this board

          http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-13/obama-s-degraded-al-qaeda-victory.html

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            LOL….there was more Al Qaeda in the US than there was Iraq. Just because you don’t know what you are talking about isn’t any excuse for your ignorance.

          • mickey_moussaoui

            actually we moved many of them from Iraq to Club Gitmo

          • $16179444

            link?

          • $16179444

            come on Hanni, still no link? too busy suckling mommy’s purse strings that you can’t back up your own post?

          • slackwarerobert

            Ground zero mosque ring a bell? You can’t swing a dead pig in michigan without getting a few dozen bombers complaining the virgins won’t touch them now. The reason they don’t make the news, is they are as dumb as obama when it comes to planning and executing an attack.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I had some cold water surfing to do over the weekend….you? Sorry, but you remember 9/11 don’t you? How many Al Qaeda operatives were working in this country compared to Iraq? Come on, big boy…..give us some data.

          • guest

            More Al Qaeda here?? But you and your boy friend RBB say obama is keeping us safer. Or are you saying obama is failing, again, or that Al Qaeda is are friend?
            You dope.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            There was more AL Qaeda here when Bush was president than there was in Iraq. Yes, that is a fact.

      • $16179444

        how many years later and liberals are STILL complaining about Iraq yet turn a blind eye to Libya?

    • slackwarerobert

      I am confused so it was pelosi and reid leading the charge to war for bush? The republicans wouldn’t go along till bush agreed to kill babies? Strange, I though even hillery was all gung hoe to kill babies if they rat out bill was dipping his cigar in them.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        resolution 1441…signed by the Democrats too

    • $16179444

      and yet that needless war was funding and given the green light by Democrats. Of course your pity party for these kids were no where to be found when SH was raping and torturing kids – you’re a hypocrite and a fool.

    • $16179444

      so in other words you want the POTUS to have unlimited power to kill whoever he wishes without having a just cause and then not having to answer for it? you people are fucking crazy

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Um….no. I didn’t say anything of the sort. But I didn’t expect you to be able to read. That’s probably why you’re a kook who pretends to surf, but lives in Bend.

    • $16179444

      so with that logic we should then go after Obama and the entire admin seeing how they are the biggest traitors to this county.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      Like when Obama
      killed the innocent family and wedding party in the Middle East via drone
      strike just so he could kill one al-Qaida operative? Is that the comparison you
      are looking for little handiwipe?

  • banjo kid

    It is the same thing again that they always do they make heroes up out of nothing or someone who has killed millions with no cause to do so.Che what ever his name is is lauded by the left as a hero when instead he is a murderous killer of 12 year old boys and women . I also believe in due process, every American should have his day in court and what is the frosting on the cake for the bleeding heart liberals who wanted to try a non citizen and give him rights out side of what he had and try him as an American who was no way a citizen and then want to kill an America with no proof and no due process . If the president has the power to pull the plug on any America citizen with out due process we are totally unconstitutional and in very high danger of becoming a third world state, with no constitution.

    • slackwarerobert

      unfortunately, we went over that edge to banana republic last summer. Just got my letter from my senator confirming it yesterday.

  • slackwarerobert

    I don’t support killing people needlessly. But as long as a nutcase is going to kill someone, I do support him going after the cops, shame he didn’t hate pelosi and fienstein as well. Better the government take the hit for their messes than innocent people.

    • borborygmi

      Perhaps it’s fitting when Occupy Wall Street is holding up Robin Hood as a hero that someone like Christopher Dorner, who went on a murder rampage after alleging that he was fired for blowing the whistle on police brutality, would also become a sort of hero to some (including, specifically, the occupiers)……I never took you for an occupier.

    • borborygmi

      I remember that at one time the Republicans and the Conservatives were the party of Law and Order. Now according to the anti gov’t people and I am guessing by association Republicans and Conservatives , like swr, claim that until you can legally shoot cops there won’t be any order….WTF….. oh and most of them claim they are Christian. Christ like. Present day , Jesus to Peter, “you know if we could just off some cops my life would be fulfilled. “

      • mickey_moussaoui

        Republicans are not anti givernment. We are anti “large” government. There is no evidence that “large” government is an improvement over the security and safety of anyones daily life. Dorner was a deranged liberal and a cop killer. I’d say his solution was the ultimate “police brutality” considering he decided to take the law into his own hands and he was a former cop. As for slackwarerobert, he speaks for himself not the Republicans. As for you, you’re still clueless.

        • slackwarerobert

          I have never said I was a republican. I am a the most politically abused individual in america. Even in the few states that allow my candidate on the ballot they are thrown out if they win and a new election held. I am an anarchist with libertarian leanings. I WANT ‘non of the above’ to win, and I want no one to hold the office, not just not them. Republican are for LARGE government, show me one thing in 60 years they have cut. Two years now and all they have to do is NOTHING and the government would get smaller. They go out of their way to grow government and tell the saps they are cutting. McCain shoved civil rights laws down our throats and now we have an entire justice department branch full of lawyers suing the states at every turn.

      • slackwarerobert

        I don’t think you can just shoot any cops. You can only shoot the ones that violate your rights. When all 3 branches said you have no right to appear in front of a judge to argue your rights, you have no choice but to protect them when they are being violated. It is the same thing with the drug seizure, and property theft in keyloe. If all that needs to be done is lie to the court, then you must make sure they never live to lie to the court to protect your rights. It sucks for the cop, but the courts gave us no other option.

  • Neiman

    While the liberals try and change the subject to illegal wars or terrorism or police brutality; they carefully avoid taking responsibility for their national baby holocaust that has resulted in the cold-blooded, premeditated murder of over 55 million helpless, innocent human beings in the womb. Theirs is a relative morality and it is this: If a heinous crime is committed by any liberal or anyone in a liberal cause, it is noble; if by non-liberals them it is a crime to be denounced. So, please remember, they have absolutely no moral high ground.

    As to treason, might I remind the Anti-Christ Marxist below that when the Bill of Rights were written, the Second Amendment not only provided for self defense and national defense. it anticipated as in the Declaration of Independence any future and even noble resistance of the tyranny of the State against the people, as they did in declaring their own liberty. In the Supreme Court case of sawed off shotguns, the Court made it clear their ruling against them was precisely because they were not considered military weapons and they felt that was the intent of the framers, that citizens have the right to such military arms.

    • slackwarerobert

      Now that the military does use shutguns, we need to get that one overturned. I remember a sheriff in mosouri who had a sawed off shutgun as well, back in the late 70’s.

      • Neiman

        I was fascinated because I did not realize their rationale was that the 2nd Amendment covered military type weapons for private citizens. Doesn’t that mean assault rifles and high capacity magazines are okay?

      • StanB

        Slack, the military DOES us shotguns, short barreled shotguns! They use them for house to house and for door breaching operations. In fact they are mounting them below the M4 carbine as an auxiliary weapon for such use. I hate it when people who don’t know poop about weaponry start spouting off.

        Us vs Miller ignored the use of shotguns in the trenches of the first World War. The Germans also protested the use of them as barbaric and gave the order that any enemy found with one would be executed on sight. one reason is that for some reason NO ONE argued for Miller. He and his attorneys were a NO SHOW. What Miller did do is prove there right for the citizen militia to carry the personal weapons of the military.

  • roblinhoodwasnotperfect

    Who’s condoning what Dorner did? But where is the 24/7 non-stop media regarding the LAPD (law-enforcement) blatant abuse of Dorner’s 4th Amendment? Not to mention the innocent people shot by police, the property damage and every other abuse by these criminals with badges? Law-enforcement is like Obama and Public Education, they are above the law.

  • awfulorv

    When all is said and done, you have to agree that LA is very fortunate the angry former policeman was who he was, and not an infuriated former Norwegian cop. Them Norskies know how to, Oslo, lake Utoya, make a protest statement…

  • slackwarerobert

    I will condemn his actions when I get an answer on how you exercise your right to bear arms without shooting the cops in california.

  • Davo

    The only reason pro-life people oppose blowing up empty Planned Parenthood clinics is because they’re cowards, or they’re lying when they compare abortion to the murder.

    • $16179444

      so let me see if I understand this….if i don’t lower myself to that of an abortion dr. / supporter because i believe blowing up a PP clinic is wrong, i’m labeled a coward?

      • Davo

        Yes. If you were walking down the street, and saw a man smothering his 6-month old child, you would risk life and limb to save that child, because murder is wrong.

        You would not, for example, say “Well, no need to help, I already voted Republican last election, our politicians will make sure that this gets corrected.” (Which is all you do to stop the millions of abortions that happen every year.)

        So, either you recognize a difference between an abortion and infanticide, or you’re a coward.

        • $16179444

          oh, i see what you’re saying….but killing people in an abortion clinic doesn’t solve the issue.

        • slackwarerobert

          Your example has one little flaw. In nyc a man molested a child on a park bench in broad daylight, and passerby’s did NOTHING! But I don’t think the building did anything wrong, so bombing it is not justified.

  • awfulorv

    Where are the pictures which depict Dorner in anything other than a smiling “Cheshire Cat” mode. Lets dig out some shots of him frowning, or even scowling. Come on, we can stand seeing them, many are available, I’m sure. Remember those unbecoming photos the media loved displaying of Sarah Palin, and are still showing of Gov. Jan Brewer? I also recall being told by a Psychiatrist that, “Only an idiot smiles all the time”. If that’s the case, he should never have been a policeman. But, hell, we know why he was allowed to join the force, even though his personality tests were suspect, don’t we?

    • slackwarerobert

      I don’t remember the gifford shooter not smiling, and the joker in aurora was all smiles as well. But dormon and joker had something to smile about, they had guns in a gun free zone so were safe from criminals who might ignore the law.

  • Waski_the_Squirrel

    I’ve never understood why some choose evil individuals as heroes. Witness the heroic status of Che Guevara (which I may have spelled wrong). Such an awful man is a hero to way too many people. Hitler was a hero as well in the thirties (before that awkward part about genocide became well known). Even Stalin and Mao are heroes in some circles.

    As people support a cause, they forget the acts of the people in that cause. I thought the example of abortion clinic bombers was a good one. If we have to become evil in order to fight evil, are we any different from what we are fighting?

    • two_amber_lamps

      It’s endemic to the amorality of the left… when all that matters is the ends, the means are irrelevant. All can be justified after the fact.

  • $16179444

    excellent article – yeah, I know it has a lot of facts, so try not to stumble Hanni
    http://lawenforcementtoday.com/2013/02/14/chris-dorner-no-excuses/

  • mickey_moussaoui

    A crazy nut liberal with a gun, hell bent on mayhem and murder. Ban liberals before they kill again

    • slackwarerobert

      But he was mayhemming on liberals. That should be good for something. It’s not like he was shooting at trees to impress obama.

  • slackwarerobert

    So if we assume you are correct and he is just a murderer, and had to be stopped. Then why is obama walking free? That is why he has a following, it is the double standard ok for government to murder, but not the people who appose the government killing. I don’t know if he was justified because I don’t know if he was railroaded by the system. I do know they felt the need to use real assault weapons, and also tell us there is no need for them except by the military.

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