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Thursday, August 07, 2008

Sunshine On Schools Critics Respond

The Fargo Forum today has an article about the North Dakota Policy Council’s “Sunshine on Schools” website, particularly focusing on the websites new feature which lists the compensation level for every single public school teacher and administrator in the state.

Of particular interest, though, is the rather bizarre criticism of the website from people quoted in the article:

Critics warn site users to be wary of the data.

“They’re not statisticians so some of their graphs are distorted,” Fargo Business Manager Dan Huffman said.

West Fargo Superintendent Dana Diesel Wallace said the site is helpful but some data is outdated.

“I think they’ve done a good job making the data accessible for a layperson to get to,” Diesel Wallace said. “But the challenge is always accuracy and timeliness.”

I have two reactions to this.

First, to respond to Mr. Huffman, it’s worth noting that there aren’t actually any statistics on the Sunshine on Schools website.  Just raw data including names of teachers and schools and then salary figures.  That’s it.  You don’t have to be a “statistician” to list raw data.

Second, to respond to the Superintendent from West Fargo, it’s worth noting that all of the information on the site came directly from the Department of Public Instruction and is the latest available from the department.  The figures go up through the 2006 - 2007 school year.  Apparently the DoI hasn’t had a chance to compile the data from the 2007 - 2008 school year yet, but I’m sure once the figures are available the North Dakota Policy Council will update its website.

As for inaccuracies, I’m sure the folks at NDPC would welcome any input from a school superintendent has to offer about any inaccuracies in the data.  And I’m also sure that such inaccuracies, once indicated, would be promptly corrected.

If this is the best the critics of Sunshine on Schools can do (outside of apparently trying to crash the website) it’s not much.  Which isn’t surprising.  What else could their argument be?  The public isn’t allowed to see what they’re paying teachers?

I don’t think that argument would get them far.

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2Hotel9 on August 7, 2008 at 12:41 pm

Actually, if you dig a little deeper into the website, there are graphs, but all that I have seen are simple linear-linear and linear-bar graphs that are perfectly at home at any company that uses Six Sigma or other statistical process control programs.  Since they are measured, absolute numbers, you don’t even need error bars and such.

What Mr. Huffman is actually saying is “linear-linear and bar charts are too easily understood by the public, and I earn my pay by actually obscuring the statistics so the public won’t call for the heads of the school board.”

Bike Bubba on August 7, 2008 at 01:56 pm
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Some of the data is incorrect, however it could have been reported incorrectly by the individual districts.

imagine on August 7, 2008 at 02:17 pm
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Some of the data is incorrect, however it could have been reported incorrectly by the individual districts.

If it is incorrect it’s because the information was incorrect coming from the DOI.

The point is that, for the most part, the data is correct.  And if people like you see inaccuracies, you should share.


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Rob on August 7, 2008 at 02:24 pm

If you know it to be incorrect, though, you correct the data.  You don’t say that it’s wrong because they’re not trained statisticians. 

More or less, Huffman is simply using a sophisticated ad hominem attack.  Shame on him.

(didn’t the schools teach logic in the past....?)

Bike Bubba on August 7, 2008 at 02:25 pm
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