…US as a nation having no money left we have to borrow from future generations and foreign nations.

Due to Dem wasteful and greedy social spending, not the free market, which is being drained to pay for Dem social engineering. That’s the shame here.

Treason. Revealing classified information to undermine our troops in war and our citizens back home is treason, no matter how much you lie about it. Undermining the President for the purpose of obtaining defeat for the United States is treason. You assholes are lucky that President Bush didn’t rightly prosecute you traitors for what you did.

robert108 on December 15, 2008 at 02:01 pm

Who revealed info to our enemies? Please be specific. No generalizations. And please elaborate on your assertion that ” You assholes are lucky that President Bush didn’t rightly prosecute you traitors for what you did.”
Specifics. Names, crimes etc. No empty rhetoric, and no lies from you.

You would think that liberals would be opposed to slave labor

WASHINGTON, April 20 — Hopes for a bipartisan agreement between the Bush administration and Congress leading to approval of several pending trade pacts have dissolved in a burst of charges and countercharges over the issue of labor rights.

At issue is the Democratic demand that pending trade deals with Colombia, Panama, Peru and South Korea include a provision guaranteeing certain rights for labor in the trading partner countries, including a ban on child and slave labor and the right to organize.

…The Bush administration, backed by business groups, contends that this Democratic demand could lead to trading partners suing to overturn basic American labor practices, like teenage summer jobs or work on farms, or the practice in some American states of prisoners making consumer goods.

Keep it up Chief, you’ve got an awesome record of being wrong.

Whatcha got on that scumbag Tom Delay and the Marianas?

Wrong words.

Nope; fits your own definition, as I have already established.

If you ever have any content, let me know.

There is nothing pro-American about protectionism. America is a free-market country. Frankly, I don’t think there’s anything more American than to wander through a store or car show room and choose among products made all over the world.
It is a testament to our wealth and affluence.

Rob on December 14, 2008 at 11:12 am

It is a testament to our national debt. It is a testament to US as a nation having no money left we have to borrow from future generations and foreign nations. In other words it is a shame.

Asked and answered, bitch. Do you deny the publication of classified information by the NYT? Do you deny the lie by Harry Reid that we lost in Iraq, or the constant lies told by you and your leftie buttbuddies about the war?
You are ignorant, and arrogant about it.
This stuff is common knowledge among intelligent, informed people.

Who revealed info to our enemies? Please be specific. No generalizations. And please elaborate on your assertion that ” You assholes are lucky that President Bush didn’t rightly prosecute you traitors for what you did.”
Specifics. Names, crimes etc. No empty rhetoric, and no lies from you.

ellinas on December 15, 2008 at 02:30 pm

robert108 on December 15, 2008 at 02:36 pm

Answering with a non answer again. In the absense of specifics, make accusations hoping to distract. You also throw in some name calling for good measure.
Answer the damned question like a man would.

From a United States’ view. Reference: Flyboys by James Bradley. Page 13.

In 1848, Congressman Thomas King of Georgia, chairman of the U. S. House of Representatives’ Committee on Naval Affaires, held hearings to discuss how America might span the Pacific. The government was already subsidizing four steamship lines in the Atlantic and the Caribbean. A Yankee line across the Pacific would be a significant boon to American commerce.

We fought with china against the JAPS who invaded, chopped heads off and raped Nanking.

Later, Mao’s communists slaughtered the nationalists who are living on Taiwan now.

Our present policy is to defend the democratic people wanting to maintain their freedom there.

Who knows what BHO will do.

When USSA broke formal ties with communist china, Richard Nixon saw an opportunity to widen the gap between the two communist countries. No trade agreements were made except a table tennis tournament.

We were allies with Russia in WW II. FDR made a pact with the devil.

The reward of failure will be the ruin of this country. This should be called “No auto company left behind.”

The labor rate comparison for US and foreign car companies is much more complicated than you simpletons can comprehend. The difference is due to thingss like benefit generosity, age of work force, number of retirees, etc. Foreign companies not only are paying lower but they have less retiree burden and crummier benefits.

$73 an hour: adding it up

Do you want to see the American car companies give worse benefits and pass on the burden to taxpayers as foreign companies have? Do you not realize that the only reason foreign companies pay as well as they do is because they have to compete with US companies? Would you buy a care produced by someone making $12 an hour?

It sickens me that conservatives are so totally focused on lowering other peoples’ salaries. It shows the true nature of the cons as a envious, petty, small-minded and willing to sacrifice their fellow man. Not a word about the salaries of the top. Not a word about the people who design the cars or who should have been innovating and improving quality all these years. Just non-stop criticism of the guys at the lower end.

It is truly appalling. This thread is a good example of why I despise this culture and see no real hope for it.

FUCK REPULICANS ALL OF THE TIME YOU UNAMERICAN DICKHEADS!!!!

And of course, the liar rbb goes immediately off topic to try to distract from another example of blatant Dem corruption. The Dems are the culture of corruption, and no amount of lies can obscure that fact.

Why does the phrase Nixon goes to China keep going round and round in my head.

Chief? The MFN road was paved by Nixon, correct?

You keep reciting the same cherry-picked lie. I gave full explanations of my change of position as it happened; you just don’t post those, because you are a liar who wishes to create a false impression. In your slavish devotion to saving my comments, you strangely only pick certain ones, rather than revealing the entire context. In short, you lie.

realitybasedbob is smart. He knows the difference between lying and being wrong.

He’s not smart enough to tell the truth, and neither are you.

By your definition you would call children who say “Santa is real!” liars.

Another lie from you. You speak only for yourself; you don’t have what it takes to speak for me.

Mickey, good idea. I will add them to my list. It amuses the clerks when they ask, what are you looking for, the price? They I say, no just checking if these are made in communist china using slave labor.

You would think that liberals would be opposed to slave labor, but it is OK if the slaves are under communist oppressors.

Oh certain person, I’m disapointed in someone. Talk about someone who needs to read a little bit of recent history. Has a certain person follow the link? We don’t know.

I know someone who told another person about the other quotes and they told me what I wrote to a certain person summed up things they were thinking about a certain person who may not have read certain links. And none of them were Japs.

Chief, what do you make of this:

The more I investigate McCain, the more firmly I am convinced that I cannot vote for him, as a matter of principle. He’s a shit sandwich I just refuse to eat.

By robert108 on June 22, 2008 at 03:50 pm

I voted for him…

robert108 on November 7, 2008 at 08:41 am

Does it make you wonder about the backbone, the loyalty, the truthfulness, the trustworthiness, the honesty of the quoted? Does it make you wonder if the quoted was high on drugs or lying in a special way to gain favor when for more than a year the quoted railed against his ultimate presidential choice? The first quote is so bold, so definitive so descriptive. It rolls like the Big Muddy with its certitude, its inevitable conclusion. There would be no voting for the “Shit Sandwich”, Mr. McCain, by the quoted. Please, if one quote from the quoted seems weak evidence to cast the quoted’s opinions aside as the ravings of a milquetoast poser, follow the provided link and discover what will certainly amaze you as to the pompous heights far the quoted has fallen. You know about pompous heights, don’t you Chief?

It takes Certain People back when the quoted came clean and confessed such an obvious transgression of personal fortitude.

If not, why?

Dino. I avoid all communist countries. Not sure what companies do:

lots of business

but they are free to choose. Perhaps you could be more specific. What countries would you choose? Lithuania? I have a sport coat from that now free country that USSR stole during WW II. Romania? I bought my wife a nice suit from there. Ditto. Ever heard of a certain person called Ceausescu? This is not a quiz, but a place to try one more time at an adult discussion. I interviewed several people from former Eastern Block countries. They told just about the same story. Communism is evil.

Vietnam did not “kick our butts” Walter Cronkite lied, our men died.

http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/2006/05/good-morning-vietnam.html

Interview from the real Adrian Chronauer, not the liberal hollywood comedian.

Certain People seem to lack backbone.

There are those hold dubious honors. Certain gop Senators hold records for missing the most Senate votes. People can chose to make excuses but even the Senator who suffered a brain hemorrhage voted more times than a Certain gop Presidential candidate.

Many people make wild and crazy accusations. There are those who believe they are afflicted with ODS.

The labor rate comparison for US and foreign car companies is much more complicated than you simpletons can comprehend. The difference is due to thingss like benefit generosity, age of work force, number of retirees, etc. Foreign companies not only are paying lower but they have less retiree burden and crummier benefits.

Wrong again! Anyone with any knowledge of economics knows that the problem with the US automakers is total compensation, which makes them uncompetitive. You want to tell the lie that paying them what they’re actually worth is somehow a bad thing, but the greed of the unions will kill the jobs; it’s just real world economics.
Sorry you’re late to the party, but this has been the issue since before the UAW began begging the taxpayers for a bailout.
This isn’t about saving the US auto industry, it’s about saving the corrupt unions. Good business=no unions. They have priced themselves out of the market.

Bullshit! The Dems have been unpatriotic for years

robert108 on December 14, 2008 at 07:22 pm

That is just wishful thinking on your part.

But can you prove any of this?

Again: it’s common knowledge, bitch. Do you deny any of it? If not, you’re just lying again. You are addicted to that.

Again, little substance offered to refute facts.

You people are certainly earning your brainstem nickname.

Wrong word.

You obviously choose to keep on with that lie. Your constant lying has become boring. Trollsmacking ceases to be fun when the same old lies are recycled over and over again, like you are doing.

Asking people to tak big pay cuts renders them underpaid. One attains a level of lifestyle and expenses that match their income. Pay cuts create hardships.

The southerners probably aren’t underpaid at foreign car companies. Anything above the $5.45 paid by Wal Mart is a step up for those thrid-world-like southerners.

We in the more successful, affluent, intelligent place aspire to more than a trailer and a six-pack. We don’t want to see the US turned into Brazil where 5 people have all the income and everyone else eats dirt.

But you go right ahead and support the shipping of billions being shipped out to foreign companies. Another aspect of this is the HUGE subsidies given foreign car companies to locate factories in the third-world southern US. They’re robbing us blind. But southern republican leadership is allowing it. I wonder how much the cracker political leaders are raking in for that favorable treatment?

…Vietnam, a country that kicked our butts?

A lie, on multiple levels. In the first place, Ho was backed by the Chicoms, which is why he was able to launch his power grab originally. In the second place, we did not suffer a military defeat, but a political one, like the Dems tried to do in Iraq. They succeeded through lying propaganda, like lying about the outcome of the Tet Offensive, for one, and through the Dem Party being infiltrated by antiAmerican elements after 1968.

You continue to illustrate your ignorance of everything, dino.

You hypocrites have been calling liberals “unpatriotic” for years.

Bullshit! The Dems have been unpatriotic for years, and you lefties have been unpatriotic since 1968. You have been undermining this country, engineering defeat in one war and trying to do it again in another war, revealing classified information that compromises our national security, and gutting military/intel capabilities since the Nineties. In addition, you have pandered to the terrorists and have sided with them against our President. If that’s not unpatriotic, then what is? It’s not hypocritical to tell the truth about your lack of patriotism.

Asked and answered, bitch.

robert108 on December 15, 2008 at 03:07 pm

You must be talking to wife, mom, grandma or dughter(s).
Not me.

You obviously choose to keep on with that lie. Your constant lying has become boring. Trollsmacking ceases to be fun when the same old lies are recycled over and over again, like you are doing.

Wrong words.

ellinas. Yes, it is a shame that certain people do not have any intention of repaying debts that they incur. They do it with foresight and intent to defraud. I was not brought up that way nor do I associate with anyone else who welches on their loans.

Why argue for the reduction of pay and benefits of the Detroit autoworkers? Argue that the foreigners pay US wages to US workers.

You’re ignorance of economics is hardly a good argument.
Having goods and services from other countries available in our marketplace lowers the prices for those goods and services overall.
After all, why should I have to buy an American-made television for twice what one made in China costs?
Free trade saves us money.

Rob on December 14, 2008 at 01:23 pm

Money, money, money. If we have to borrow that much,it means we have no money.
My argument is not for protectionism. My argument is we have no industry to speak off. We cannot sustain our independence that way.
The Chinese can make tanks and fighter jets cheaper. Why not send our know how over there? Let them, built them for US. It will be cheaper. No?

Treason. Revealing classified information to undermine our troops in war and our citizens back home is treason, no matter how much you lie about it. Undermining the President for the purpose of obtaining defeat for the United States is treason. You assholes are lucky that President Bush didn’t rightly prosecute you traitors for what you did.

I am glad you recognize that outing Valarie Plame was treason.

FUCK REPULICANS ALL OF THE TIME YOU UNAMERICAN DICKHEADS!!!!
Rick Nelson on February 10, 2009 at 06:45 pm

Hey…it’s DINO!!!!!

What facts have you offered to suggest that Americans working for foreign automakers are underpaid?