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Actually, it kills blastocysts, embryos, and fetuses.  People don’t live in wombs.

Call them different names, those are still human lives.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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This is irrelevant, though some are already using this to support their pro-abortion views.

Hasn’t kept anti-abortion activist from singing the “fetal pain” song.

Well, if fetal pain exists (and really I have no idea if it does or not) its yet another reason to ban abortion on top of the already good-enough reason of it, you know, kills people.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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It is true that we are ending a human life when performing an abortion, but I would rather end the lives of some cells with no established nervous system than raise some bastard child that I would loathe.

Thank you for making the number one argument for abortion: selfishness.

Also, mistakes do happen, and people say “put the baby up for adoption”, but there is no guarantee that the child would be adopted, and there is always the chance of being bounced from foster home to foster home–that’s no life for an innocent child.

So it is better for that kid to be dead? What kind of argument is that?

I did what I thought was the best thing…let the baby become my guardian angel rather than raise it in sub-standard conditions or leave it to a shaky adoption system.

Somehow, I really doubt that an aborted baby becomes a guardian angel over the mother who aborted it.

No, abortion shouldn’t be used as birth control, but until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, you realy can’t comment on their circumstances and the choices they have and will continue to make.

Cop out.

If a girl has been raped, she shouldn’t be made to have a child that she doesn’t want. Also, mistakes do happen, and people say “put the baby up for adoption”, but there is no guarantee that the child would be adopted, and there is always the chance of being bounced from foster home to foster home–that’s no life for an innocent child.

This is an area I’ve had trouble with in the past, but the conclusion I’ve arrived at is this: An unborn child shouldn’t be killed because of the ill-actions of another.  Further, the idea that a child might have a hard life once it is born isn’t a good enough reason to see that child’s life ended before it even begins.

It’s a proven fact that ethnic children (especially Black babies and older children) don’t get adopted as much as other races, so that’s potential for a whole generation of bastardized children who were forced into this world because of people’s crazy ideas.

I’d heard of this somewhere else, and perhaps its true.  I don’t really know.  I do know that there are millions on adoption waiting lists in this country and millions of abortions every year.  Seems like a lot of those babies could have been given a life with adopted parents.  And I still don’t feel that the potential for a hard life is enough to justify ending that life.  Nor do I think that anti-abortion ideas are “crazy.”

People kill roaches and rats and other living things with no problem, regardless of religious teaching. It is true that we are ending a human life when performing an abortion, but I would rather end the lives of some cells with no established nervous system than raise some bastard child that I would loathe.

This is the biggest difference between you and I.  I see the unborn child as a life.  You see it as a mass of cells.  And, not to be offensive or anything, I kind of think you see it that way because its easier to think of the child you aborted as a mass of cells than a life.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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*stepping onto soap box, skip this post if you’d rather*
I see what you mean about those being human lives, but one has to give some credit to modern is saying. People kill roaches and rats and other living things with no problem, regardless of religious teaching. It is true that we are ending a human life when performing an abortion, but I would rather end the lives of some cells with no established nervous system than raise some bastard child that I would loathe. In theory I don’t support abortion, but there are always exceptions. If a girl has been raped, she shouldn’t be made to have a child that she doesn’t want. Also, mistakes do happen, and people say “put the baby up for adoption”, but there is no guarantee that the child would be adopted, and there is always the chance of being bounced from foster home to foster home--that’s no life for an innocent child. It’s a proven fact that ethnic children (especially Black babies and older children) don’t get adopted as much as other races, so that’s potential for a whole generation of bastardized children who were forced into this world because of people’s crazy ideas. I really want to see someone tell me how it feels to be raped when you’re 15 by a member of your family, and get pregnant. I know first hand because I’ve been there. I did what I thought was the best thing...let the baby become my guardian angel rather than raise it in sub-standard conditions or leave it to a shaky adoption system. No, abortion shouldn’t be used as birth control, but until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, you realy can’t comment on their circumstances and the choices they have and will continue to make.
*now stepping off of soap box*

I don’t want to kill kids, but I also don’t want to spend more tax money on the already infintely large foster care system, which doesn’t work. If it worked, people wouldn’t be all in Russia and Asia looking for kids.

Ain’t that the sad truth.

Again, I digress…I know you don’t agree with what I did, but please know that I wouldn’t do it again…it’s already done, and I can’t change that.

You’re alright natasha.

likwidshoe, not to be rude, but do you have any idea what it feels like to be raped...especially by the person that is responsible for you being alive??? That in itself is a spiritual and mental death. I was damn near dead by the end of that whole thing, and that’s because I was carrying a child. It wasn’t just “oh la da da, I can have another”. I WILL die (like, no longer living!!) if I get pregnant again. I almost died because of that baby. If I had died, the baby would have died too...so it would have been two parents killing their children--and what’s worse, killing two children or killing one? I did what I had to do man, and I’m sorry if that offends. Please don’t sit there and think that I’m all gung ho about abortion. That is not the case. I just want to make sure that when it is medically necessary (like both the mother and baby will die), it is available. It shouldn’t be available in too many other cases though. I know it sounds like I’m contradicting myself, but I needed to let people know that there is a face behind abortion--and I’m not a bad person because I didn’t want two of us to die. If it could have been that just me died, I would have done that and let the baby live.

I’m just speaking from my experience. I agree with most of what you are saying. My point is that there are extremes. If you had a uterus, I really don’t think you’d want your father’s sperm all up in it....hmm. I don’t want to kill kids, but I also don’t want to spend more tax money on the already infintely large foster care system, which doesn’t work. If it worked, people wouldn’t be all in Russia and Asia looking for kids. Again, I digress...I know you don’t agree with what I did, but please know that I wouldn’t do it again...it’s already done, and I can’t change that.

I know likwid...that was in response to something before that. you’re cool peoples too

I definitely see the child I was forced to abort (I was also suffering from uterine fibroids if you must know, so I can’t carry children!!) as a precious life. I’m not asking you to agree with me, just realize that people do have different points of view. If the same thing were to happen to me again, and I were physically able to carry the child, I would be happy to. However, a 15 year old without much in the way of positive support from family, does what she can. Sorry if that is so against what you belive. You’ve reduced me to tears, thank you for that. Now I feel like a damn murderer, and perhaps I should be locked up for the rest of my life. Would that make you happy?

Its not fair, Natasha.  In fact, its horrible.  But is it fair end the life of your unborn child before it can even begin because your father is a rapist?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Seth, thank you for understanding, Some people think abortion is abortion is abortion no matter why it’s done. It’s refreshing to not be torn apart because I did what I had to do to be alive. And of course, when the time is right, I will be adopting...it’s only fair

natasha said, I see it as a life, but I also see something wrong with forcing a woman to have a child that is a product of incestual rape. Please tell me how that is fair?

As compared to the child being killed? Please tell me how that is fair.

Amen Seth!! If people refrain from intercourse, or use some method of contraception, this discussion wouldn’t have to happen. Use some damn common sense people!!!

I think you all don’t really understand what I’m trying to say. But I would rather be dead than have my father rape me again. That’s what I mean when I say that I’d rather end a life than subject it to pure hell. Please, walk a day in my shoes. I don’t see that as being selfish. I see it as a life, but I also see something wrong with forcing a woman to have a child that is a product of incestual rape. Please tell me how that is fair?

natasha said, Please don’t sit there and think that I’m all gung ho about abortion.

I’m not. I had come to the opposite conclusion reading your above comments. That’s why I said that you’re “alright”. Meaning: you’re cool.

and I’m not a bad person because I didn’t want two of us to die.

I don’t think anyone here argues against abortion for Medical necessity.  I certainly don’t.

I have no loss of respect for you for having to do what was necessary to save your life.  If you got pregnant because of a choice you made, then you decided to change the consequences of that choice by terminating a life… I would lose respect.  That doesn’t appear to be the case here.

No, abortion shouldn’t be used as birth control, but until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, you realy can’t comment on their circumstances and the choices they have and will continue to make.

I do not argue that rape/incest/moelstation victims should have the choice.  But, it seems to me that too many people today use Abortion as a means of correcting a mistake that they should never have made.  This mistake costs the lives of individuals.  If the parents would refrain from intercourse, then the moral issue would not have to be brought up.

fair enough rob, you’re still cool people in my book

I’m sorry this has reduced you to tears, Natasha.  It certainly is an emotional subject that isn’t easy to discuss with a cool head.  But my opinions are what they are.  I try to express them as sensitively as I can, but I’m not going to change them either.

As for the foster care system, wouldn’t a better solution to the problem be reform within that system?  And maybe the adoption system as well?  That seems like a better solution than ending the life of unborn children.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I’d just add that I have no problem with keeping abortion available for medical reasons.  If both the pregnancy endangers the mother, then clearly the mom/couple should have the right to make the choice.  But that’s a rare situation.

As for rape/incest.  I’m still torn, but leaning against it.  I don’t see where the misdeeds of of some people should be taken out on the unborn child.  I know, that seems callous, but so does abortion.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Why should that person have to live the rest of their life with a constant reminder of their violation...there doesn’t seem to be a lot of discussion about the life that’s already here, the mother

That’s what I was trying to say. It’s not just the fetus that is suffering. Isn’t the mother’s sanity worth protecting?
With that said...wrap it up, kids!!! We wouldn’t have this problem if you did, and I wouldn’t be forced to see soooooo many 9-12 year olds comin into my hospital system to have babies. Makes me ill!!!

For some reason the life of the embryo/fetus, which has not attained consciousness, is given preference over the life of the mother.

How do you figure?

As for rape/incest. I’m still torn, but leaning against it. I don’t see where the misdeeds of of some people should be taken out on the unborn child. I know, that seems callous, but so does abortion.

I see it as further punishment of the rape/incest victim.  Why should that person have to live the rest of their life with a constant reminder of their violation?

In terms of the overall abortion debate, I can see why one would be concerned about the new life that is created, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of discussion about the life that’s already here, the mother.  For some reason the life of the embryo/fetus, which has not attained consciousness, is given preference over the life of the mother.

That’s what I was trying to say. It’s not just the fetus that is suffering. Isn’t the mother’s sanity worth protecting?

Not, in my opinion, at the expense of the unborn child’s life.

With that said…wrap it up, kids!!! We wouldn’t have this problem if you did

And we’d have even fewer if they postponed sex to an appropriate age.

I can see why one would be concerned about the new life that is created, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of discussion about the life that’s already here, the mother.

That’s because, in the vast majority of instances where abortion is considered, the mother’s life isn’t at risk.  Nor is her sanity, as most abortions do not occur in cases of rape, incest or medical necessity.

And if by referring to the mother’s life you meant the burden the child would place on that life, financially and otherwise, I stand by my earlier sentiments: That’s not a good enough reason to take the child’s life.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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good point rob, but I just want to ask you something (playing devils advocate here). Let’s say you and your sig. other are using protection and something goes bad and she gets pregnant. You don’t think her sanity would be at stake? That’s a LOT of pressure on someone to have to take care of a child. I mean, children are not puppies. This poor woman may have to decide between living her own life to the fullest, experiencing all she can so she may be able to share it with the child she has planned to have, and raising a child in substandard housing with little money or food, potentially little education and not much to share in terms of positivity. And to give a child up for adoption is difficult, because after you’ve carried a child for nine months, you develop a bond with it. That’s a lot to handle for something that wasn’t meant to happen--especially if you were using protection properly. However, if you’re just being stupid and laying with anyting breathing...raise the damn child...you made your bed, now you lie in it!!

Let’s say you and your sig. other are using protection and something goes bad and she gets pregnant.

I don’t have to imagine that, it actually happened to me.  I’m somewhat loathe to discuss matters this personal in this space, but I’ll provide you with some details.

Basically, I got my high school girlfriend pregnant.  Or, more accurately, we got pregnant.  She was a willing participant.  I was 19 at the time.  She was 18.  It was a scary, scary thing.  We were both in college and had our whole lives in front of us.  Abortion, as far as she was concerned, was very much on the table.  I had to argue long and hard with her so that we could have our baby.  I knew full well that I’d have to give up college and that the rest of my life was about to get harder, but I didn’t believe (and still don’t believe) that this was enough of a reason to kill my child.  Thankfully, I was also able to convince my girlfriend of that.

So we had the child.  She quit school to care for it.  I quit school to care for them both.  We married, which was a mistake since we totally were meant to be together, and made a go of it.  The marriage thing didn’t work out, but I have one of the most beautiful little girls in the world.  You can see a picture of her with her friend right here.

Have I paid a heavy price for our decision to keep Harleigh?  You betcha.  I have had to struggle.  There have been times where my power got shut off because I didn’t have enough money to make the bill.  My credit is awful, and I don’t have a college education.  But I’m making it, and I’d never take back the decision.

As for my ex, she’s making it too.  It was stressful, sure, but she made it just as I did.  And she’s doing fine.  We’re both happy.  We could be better off, but that’s the price you pay.

So when I talk about the abortion issue, I do have some experience with it.  My beliefs are heart-felt, and I’ve backed them up in my own life.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob, thank you so very much for sharing. I as well don’t like to toss my personal info out there, but if it’s to prove a point I do so. For you to have first hand experience with what I’m talking about, I bow my head to you. I appreciate your opinion more than most, because you can speak from experience rather than imagination or speculation. I’m so thrilled for you to have such a blessing as a child, and I’m proud that you have sacrificed to make sure your child has everything she needs. I’m actually in a similar position. I’m taking care of my little half brother (different mothers) who was essentially left to me by the same father who damn near killed me. He could have been aborted, but wasn’t, and although I have struggled to pay bills, go to school, and work, my brother has been nothing but a blessing. I truly salute you Rob, for taking your responsibility seriously. If you ever need to vent, let me know--my ears and heart are wide open. If I could have kept my child, I would have an eight year old right now, and perhaps this is a bit personal for here, but I had my baby’s remains buried next to my grandmother. Every mothers day, and every year on the anniversary of “A-day”, I go to the grave and leave a letter that says something to the effect of “Mommy loves you, and had things been different, I’d be holding you now, not talking to you from here. You were conceived in hate, but given to God with love, please forgive me.” Again Rob, your opinion on this subject holds a lot of weight with me, and I’m sure you have lots to offer your child. Bless every day you have with Harleigh, as her life is too precious. I agree with your points in every way, and thanks to all of you for allowing me to explain why I did what I did. People who are thinking of abortion...before you make your decision, think about people like me who will never be able to carry a child (for any reason); I can only hope that your decision changes. A blastocyst or zygote may or may not feel physical pain, but regret and shame is a son of a bitch to live with. God never gives you more than you can handle. Please believe that. Your child will teach you more than any textbook can.

Ok, fellas, here’s your change to condemn what’s wrong:
Journal receives hate mail over fetal pain article.

Oh my.  Literally dozens of emails.

Seriously.  I get that in a week on a post about Bush’s exercise habits.

But, none-the-less, I condemn these people for being mean and not communicating their opposition to abortion in a more constructive manner.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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absolutely unnecessary. Telling the people that wrote the article they’re going to hell isn’t right. It is possible to have belief in something, but as a scientist or researcher, it is important to bring your findings to the public. As Dr. DeAngelis, I am against abortion but pro-choice. That really isn’t a conflict of interest. Judging people in that way is a direct contradiction of Christian teaching and doctrine.

lol, dozens and dozens! If you can’t stand the heat, get the hell outta the kitchen. You knew people would be angry!! Still, there are many more constructive ways to express your anger.

Rob, It’s an honor to blog with you, Sir!  I had known or figured out a good deal of what you wrote, and while I can’t respect many of your initial decisions, I can more highly respect your ability to recognize your mistakes and change to accommodate your new responsibilities!  My hat is off to you!

Well, I’m not out of the woods yet.  Every day is a struggle to stay above water.  But I’m making it.

And I didn’t your comments negatively.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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We all make mistakes.

Too true!  I have shared a few of my bad ones here.  Everything we do is a learning experience, it’s how we come out of it that defines us.  You have done well young Jedi!

Don’t disappoint me by taking my comments negatively, though!

I can’t respect many of your initial decisions

We all make mistakes.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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"I would rather end the lives of some cells with no established nervous system than raise some bastard child that I would loathe.”

I know this was written a long time ago, but I take this personally.  I’m a bastard child who was going to be aborted until a last minute change of heart.  I am not loathed.  Childhood was screwy, but I’m nonetheless glad to be alive and able to enjoy it.  I wouldn’t care if I was a clump of cells or something more anthropomorphic - I’m happy I wasn’t scraped out, even IF I wouldn’t have felt it.

“Also, mistakes do happen, and people say “put the baby up for adoption”, but there is no guarantee that the child would be adopted, and there is always the chance of being bounced from foster home to foster home--that’s no life for an innocent child.”

Well, obviously, I am a mistake.  My mother did, thankfully, take responsibility for me, but whatever the situation, I’d want to live.  Kids who are wanted prior to birth also often have crappy childhoods.  Kill them too?

“It’s a proven fact that ethnic children (especially Black babies and older children) don’t get adopted as much as other races, so that’s potential for a whole generation of bastardized children who were forced into this world because of people’s crazy ideas.”

Isn’t the illegitimacy rate for black children greater than 75%?  Aren’t a majority of abortions carried out on non-whites?  Are you suggesting that in addition to all the abortions carried out on black people, we should kill three quarters of those who aren’t aborted now?  Don’t bastardized children forced into this world deserve to live?  I’m bastardized white child, and I want bastardized children of all races to have the opportunity to live.

“I really want to see someone tell me how it feels to be raped when you’re 15 by a member of your family, and get pregnant. I know first hand because I’ve been there. I did what I thought was the best thing...let the baby become my guardian angel rather than raise it in sub-standard conditions or leave it to a shaky adoption system.”

If I were an unaborted result of rape left to a shaky adoption system, I’d hardly want to commit suicide.  Moreso, I wouldn’t want someone to do it for me.  I’ve been through shitty times in my life, completely unrelated to the fact that I’m a bastard child.  Whatever the case, I’d want to live.

“No, abortion shouldn’t be used as birth control, but until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, you realy can’t comment on their circumstances and the choices they have and will continue to make.”

I wish my mother didn’t have the choice whether or not to kill me.  I’m glad that she made the right one, albeit late.  She had irresponsible sex, and thank God she faced up to the consequences.  Now she has someone who truly loves her and who will look after her when she’s old.  And I bloody well can comment, thank you very much.

“*now stepping off of soap box*”
Good.  And stay off.

if the girl has been raped......how about she give the child to a family who are unable to have a baby.

some familys cannot have a child and if you have been raped or you just enjoy sex and where stupid and forgot the birth control method why not give the baby to someone who’d actually CARE? and love that child if you where raped then um hello ...sex equals baby? condoms,birthcontrol pill,spermicide equals safe sex. yea......can i say “ wheres ur brain ?” but if u’ve been raped come on and have a heart it doesnt matter if the infant can feel or not feel the baby is still a living being