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McCain shouldn’t apologize for it.

But he should be clear to his supporters: the vile hatred and racism that has been expressed over the last few weeks is unacceptable.

Furthermore, he must control his own rhetoric. He’s been sowing the seeds of this hatred, so he shouldn’t be surprised to see it blooming.

But he should be clear to his supporters: the vile hatred and racism that has been expressed over the last few weeks is unacceptable.

Hatred?  Racism?

Nothing of the sort has come from the McCain campaign.  But a lot of accusations of such have come from the left, who would rather talk about trumped up charges of “racism” and “hatred” than Obama’s history of allying himself with extremists and terrorists.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Sorry, but when a woman says Obama ‘pals around with terrorists,’  what are we supposed to conclude?  That he’s not a terrorist?  It’s obvious what the intent is, don’t put mayonnaise in the sun and call it special sauce.

I was all for McCain, I was stretched to the limit with the Palin choice for VP, but I kept on.  Now?  This is just not what conservatism is about.  It’s just ugly.

Is there a reason you REPOSTED that sick photo in your explanation for pulling it by someone else???

I’ve taken the liberty of notifying the Secret Service about this incident this evening. They are very interested as they take every threat seriously. I took screen shots and ScrapBook catches of the page before you took it down, so they will have all the information they need to track this a-hole down.

If any other moral person sees something else about Barack or any other presidential candidate, let the Secret Service know.

Here are a list of their field offices:

http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/field_offices.shtml

Furthermore, he must control his own rhetoric. He’s been sowing the seeds of this hatred, so he shouldn’t be surprised to see it blooming.

Oakland,

The least you could do would be to change the wording around a bit, rather copying the latest talking points verbatim.

McCain has said nothing remotely “racist” or “hateful.”

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Good fucking question Linda!

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

Also, ROb,
Is there something wrong with you? I think you put the wrong headline on this post.

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

With all due respect, find your convenient I did not know excuse more than lame…especially when you as a part of your explanation REPOST the race baiting photograph here.  Further, there is a similiar rythem in the writing style between the now missing post (which is pasted in full on my blog)and this one…YMMV.  The timing is even more suspect when the post has been picked up (as you point out) by the likes of Michelle Milkin as one example.  Further, as the post points out, this WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME that the photograph/creation has appeared on this site.

There are lines not meant to be crossed, and depicting a Presidential Nominee and a noose with the slogan “The F***ing Solution” is one of those that way crosses the line, amounts in my opinion to hate speech and race baiting.  Which is why I brought the post to the attention of the Secret Service.

Hell the picture was bad enough alone but did anyone read the caption in small print at the bottom?

“do not consult your doctor. tie the rope tight. do not try this at home;go somewhere where noone will find you. do consume alcohol while using this treatment. do sedate yourself. do not care. do not say goodbye.do it now.”

The post is now gone from his personal blog, too. I think he got a phone call from the Secret Service.

“The post is now gone from his personal blog, too. I think he got a phone call from the Secret Service.”

Probably didn’t hurt that I talked to his hosting company and sent screen caps of his page with ads for Swingline, University of Phoenix and Circuit City to each of his advertisers.

Me thinks someone won’t be sleeping well tonight.
Ah Internet infamy, it’s a bitch ain’t it!

I was just at his personal blog, and the post was/is still there.  You can view the post and follow the link to it on my blog. http://washingtonscandal.blogspot.com/  In fact, the creator says HE IS PROUD OF IT.

I will say this, I do not intend to pull this posting, at all. I’m proud of it, that I was able to make the Left Liberals have a knee-jerk reaction. I will go to jail before I pull it. There is a thing called the First Amendment to the constitution and I will go to jail before I will have my first admendment rights taken fro me.”—-Libertarian Conservative 10/13/08

Ok, so commitment isn’t one of LC’s strong points. lol

Hmmm….wondering if he had a Secret Service change of mind as that post IS NOW GONE.

So the original post is gone but you are charitably making it available while not condoning it. Why don’t you mention John McCain’s war record?  How many planes did he crash because he was a lousy pilot? How he cracked while he was a POW and gave info to the North Vietnamese that killed plenty of American servicemen? If Obama ran a negative campaign, he’d be a lot further along than he is now.

Thanks to my photoshopping skills, I’ve been able to edit this image to make it a little more palatable.rob solution

Marko:

Sarah Palin said that Obama “pals around with terrorists.”

Which happens to be true.

If some people think that leads to the conclusion that Obama IS a terrorist, that’s their problem.

If some people think that Palin’s statement means that she MUST WANT people to conclude Obama is a terrorist, that’s their problem.

The fact remains that Obama DOES pal around with terrorists.  Obama’s original characterization of Ayers as “a guy in the neighborhood,” etc., was lie.  Obama’s first campaign was launched in the living room of William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.  Michelle Obama worked at a law firm with Dohrn even before that, before 1990.  Check out what Bernadine Dohrn said about the Manson murders at Dohrn’s Wikipedia biography:  “Dig it! First they killed those pigs and then they put a fork in their bellies. Wild!”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernadine_Dohrn

If you are going to make the case that this is just not important, great—then find me somebody that John McCain has been HIRED BY (Obama was hired by Ayers to work at the Annenberg Challenge, and they worked together there for seven years, dispensing $50 million) and HOSTED a McCain event in his living room, who has said something comparable to Dohrn’s grotesque statement about the Manson murders.

Alternatively, since Ayers was a building-bomber, find me somebody who supports McCain, and has worked side-by-side with him for years, who has bombed buildings with children in them, as Ayers did.  (Google for “Murtagh,” and you will find plenty on Ayers’s attempt to murder a whole family in their home.)  Of course, Timothy McVeigh is dead—but there’s no evidence he ever hired McCain, or worked with him, anyway.

But, getting back to Palin:  Her statement was true.  She did not say that Obama is a terrorist.  He just doesn’t have a problem being hired by, and working with, unrepentant bombers—you know, people who are basically like Timothy McVeigh.

I guess after eight years of showing an evil looking Bush being hanged at those “anti-war marches”, the left is tired of the noose.

BTW, nice job, sleezak. It’s just Rob though, so who cares? Right? Jackass.

This thing IS offensive, and I don’t care which candidate it was applied to.

Not funny. Stupid, juvenile, and ignorant. Not only that, it’s an embarrassment to this site.

The left has a long history of this type of thing. It’s on a level with the subterranean strata they inhabit, and we shouldn’t expect better from them. I, for one, do expect a bit more class from conservatives.

Trashy, and if the poster who did it is “proud” of it and insists on stauing that way, then I strongly suggest he stays proud elsewhere. He does NOT represent this site and those of us who post here.

You, sir, are an idiot for dragging Say Anything into your little garbage pile, whoever you are.

The future ain’t what it used to be…..

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But he should be clear to his supporters: the vile hatred and racism that has been expressed over the last few weeks is unacceptable.

  His supporters? What about Obama supporters? Firebombing McCain signs in the yards of folks sleeping in their beds…that’s not vile hatred?

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How many planes did he crash because he was a lousy pilot?

Sleaze-hack: Not every hairball you cough up is worthy of public consideration. Being shot down is not the same thing as “crashing”. Work on your reading comprehension. Maybe go back for your GED. Or the third grade, whichever you need most.

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

Tasteless but no less offensive than many of the pictorial attacks on President Bush over the past eight years.

sleezak, someone should report you to the secret service now as well. It looks to me that you may have some intent to do Rob harm and technically speaking he is a public figure. Or, maybe you just proved how harmless the original picture is.

How many planes did he crash? Congratulatios, you win the “Imbecile of the Day” award.

He got shot down by a SAM. AFTER he’d led numerours flights and attacks over NV.

And Obama’s done…what?

The future ain’t what it used to be…..

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I have to agree with Mickey.

Yet, and above all the discussion, I see a set-up here, wrapped in hypocrisy.

I’m sure other blogs are being infiltrated by “plants” also.

Additionally, why is it that “We” should apologize? That would be a self-contained admission of guilt, thereby allowing the “Magic-Media-Machine” to use it as fuel for their lefty propaganda.

They lit the fuse on this dynamite, now they are wetting themselves in faux-surprise that it’s about to blow….. kinda reminds me of Wiley coyote with a firecracker….

/*Dave
[Political Correctness is the Shield of a Coward]

He got shot down by a SAM.

Pilgrim: You might want to explain to Sleaze-hack that “SAM” stands for Surface to Air Missile, before he comes back with the “brilliant” (for him) observation that “Sam” isn’t a common name among the North Vietnamese!

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

I’ve said for some time that the DNC has plants here. The list of names will be obvious when the light of day shines on it after the election, and they have all disappeared.

I think this was a set up.

I smell a mouse.

take better control of your site.

It’s unlikely, but I’m hopin’ it’ll end for the dems kinda like this….

/*Dave
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Wow, a racist conservative redneck, imagine that.

Ok, wait, now you paranoid tards are saying that this is a setup?!?  Classic!

pilgrim
blames the left. the default position of all you mental midgets. give us all a break!

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

There are nutjobs and crazies on both sides of the political spectrum. No question about that.

It’s just that liberals don’t put their nutjobs and crazies on the ticket.

For the record, I re-posted the image for the sake of transparency.

We’re all adults.  I think we can look at something disgusting like that and dismiss it for the bigotry it is.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

I don’t condone the graphic, but did anyone read the reason it was actually posted?  Did anyone catch that the creator claimed that given the extreme hatred being shown towards McCain, with Photoshop images of blood dripping from his mouth among the many, he posted the image as a tit for tat.  I’m glad it is gone, but one stupid image of the Messiah does not cancel out the hundreds of equally vial graphics of Bush and McCain, many of which have made it to the MSM.

Dear Sleeze hack I am sure you would have folded up the first day, it took months of torture to break McCain I would have folded sooner then he did but we don’t know until we are in that position , while serving in the military I often thought about that very thing , what if I were captured would I be able to be a man and stand up to the torture and say only my name rank and serial number. Of course being 18 years old we are not supposed to think of such things but just being able to play video games on daddy’s computer all day long and wondering about the next lay we find , these young men and women in the military today are there because they want to be, they believe in their country and the people in it . We should never ever condemn someone for something we could not do ourselves.McCain stood well for his country and fared just fine he divulged no secrets .

“some days it is not worth the effort to chew through the restraints”

Jack - It’s just that liberals don’t put their nutjobs and crazies on the ticket.

America’s enemies agree! Obama for President!

For the record, I re-posted the image for the sake of transparency.

We’re all adults.  I think we can look at something disgusting like that and dismiss it for the bigotry it is.

If you had read the replies in the thread you removed as well as this one, you will see you are wrong. You would realize this only fosters racial motivated hate crime.  Yes, that is actually a crime.  As is posting this picture.  Especially if there is an end result you aren’t prepared to answer for.  I’ve reported this to the appropriate federal authorities also.  You bear responsibility for what YOU post.  You posted this.  Doesn’t matter if you Psp’d it or not.  You posted it. 

And you posted it for page hits.  Not because it serves any other purpose. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame.  That’s why this is here.  Not because you had anything worthy to say, because reposting the image negated the possibility of that.

If you had read the replies in the thread you removed as well as this one, you will see you are wrong.

The only replies that have been removed from this thread and the other one were the duplicate comments.

I am the one who does that.

Other comments that I regularly delete are spam comments, of which none so far have been removed from these two threads in question.

Especially if there is an end result you aren’t prepared to answer for.

Funny thing: we believe in personal responsibility around here. You and only you are responsible for your actions. Nobody else.

I’ve reported this to the appropriate federal authorities also.

Sure. Waste their time.

And you posted it for page hits.  Not because it serves any other purpose. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame.

Thanks for assuming otherwise, but traffic hasn’t gone up. This situation is nothing more than a small blip on the radar. A passing storm, if you will.

Also Lik, while not justifying this image, the folks complaining so vociferously here, seem to easily forget the statements made by one of their most cherished leftwing, anti-war, liberal darlings, Cindy Shehan who admited that she had fantasized about going back in time and killing the infant George W. Bush.

Not to mention the movie “Death of a President,” the British film that every single MSM source aired repeatedly and when chastized by conservatives, defended their constitutional right to broadcast it. President Bush was not just a candidate, he was a sitting president.

The same folks that are so outraged now, and commenting on this thread, are the same ones that laughed uproariously over and enthusiastically expressed their appreciation for “Death of a President,” and called it an example of a film that showed “fine artistic value” and one that represented “great theatre.”

Very few, if any condemned it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14608725/

Also, they all absolutely loved it when Alec Baldwin went on his rant about wanting to kill Karl Rove [or was it Dick Cheney?]....they called “that” great comedy.

“Death Of A President”

“It’s an extraordinarily gripping and powerful piece of work, a drama constructed like a documentary that looks back at the assassination of George Bush as the starting point for a very gripping detective story,” Peter Dale told reporters.

“It’s a pointed political examination of what the war on terror did to the American body politic,” he said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/peter-dale-on-broadcasting-418384.html

If you had read the replies in the thread you removed as well as this one, you will see you are wrong. You would realize this only fosters racial motivated hate crime.

I notice that several liberal blogs have saved screenshots of the post in question.  Here’s an example.

Are those people bad too?

I re-posted the image so that everyone would know why I took down the post.  See, banning people and deleting posts/comments is a rarity here on Say Anything because this is an open forum.  When we do delete a comment or post we like to be as transparent as possible about it.

Posting in image by way of criticizing it and explaining why the post accompanying it was taken down is not the same as posting it in the first place.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob does have a point. There is a difference between ‘use’ and ‘mention’. That doesn’t make the image any less damaging to McCain/Palin.

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

Saprkie,
Do you rememember the film, “Death of a President?”

Where was your moral outrage and righteous indignation back then?

Exactly Joel, moral outrage from the relative moralist.

Hilarious.

It’s just that liberals don’t put their nutjobs and crazies on the ticket.

Jack on October 13, 2008 at 05:54 am

Like Al Gore and John Kerry ?????

McCain DON’T apologise, and DON’T remove the image. LET AMERICA see exactly what you racist pigs find amusing.
Maybe you could pair the image with Obama Waffles Lou Dobbs buys, and SLAVERY WORKS logo, and Michelle Obama altered to being an ape, and top it off with George Allen draped in a rebel flag saying Macaca. Repeat the soundtrack of McCain supporters calling a Black sound man “BOY”, and yelling “KILL HIM.”

This is why the odds of McCain are now a pawltry 6% on 538 electoral map site.

I note with interest all the wailing and reporting going on.

I note with even greater interest that I was the only one to contact Rob and Likwidshoe with regard to the original post to ensure they were aware of it and taking action as they deemed appropriate.  What kind of horse’s ass goes to the Feds before they go to the site operator or the author of the offensive piece?

Leftard horse’s asses, that’s what kind.

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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

What kind of horse’s ass goes to the Feds before they go to the site operator or the author of the offensive piece?

Ummm, it’s common knowledge that you don’t go to the perp and ask them to stop perpetrating.  Why don’t we go to thieves and beg them to “Stop stealing!” before calling the cops?

Right.

Only someone who doesn’t see this as any big deal, could say something like that.

mark - McCain DON’T apologise, and DON’T remove the image. LET AMERICA see exactly what you racist pigs find amusing.

That word is so overused that it means nothing anymore.

Congratulations on devaluing the word.

DaisyDeadhead - Only someone who doesn’t see this as any big deal, could say something like that.

And Rodney Graves didn’t “see this as any big deal” so much so that he took time out to e-mail me and Rob about it, at which point Rob agreed that it crossed the line and took it down.

Huh?

You fail at basic logic, DaisyDeadhead. Stunningly fail, at that.

LET AMERICA see exactly what you racist pigs find amusing.

murk: From what I’ve seen, the only one who thought that picture was amusing was the nutjob who created it. It was condemned by both the left and the right here, and when the owner of the site learned of the post, he removed it and posted an explanation of how it came to be there, for those who had already linked to it. I understand why he reposted the picture along with the explanation, to show that he had nothing to hide and to prevent exaggerated tales of how bad it was and no evidence to disprove them.

No one was “amused”, unless you would include yourself, in the literal sense that the privative “A” negates the word that follows. Hence a-theist = no god,
a-gnostic = no knowledge,
a-mused = no thinking.

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Why don’t we go to thieves and beg them to “Stop stealing!” before calling the cops?

Because it has failed every time a liberal democrat has tried it?

I cannot believe the way this country has devolved. Until Bush was President, only a few really wackkos said and acted in this manner. With the growth of the internet people decided it was o.k. to treat a sitting US President as if he was some deviant 3rd world terrorist. Whether you agree or disagree with the polices of a current sitting President does not mean it is o.k. to act like thugs. See, when I see someone with a sign that says “Kill Bush” I take this literally. So should everyone. Whether Obama or McCain is elected, whether you like their polices or not, one will be our next president. You don’t have to like them, you are free to say that you don’t, but making threats, overt or not, is inexcusable.

You fail at basic logic, DaisyDeadhead. Stunningly fail, at that.

And calling people “leftards” fails at basic civil discourse, so I guess we’re even.

The aptly named “DaisyDeadhead” opines:

Ummm, it’s common knowledge that you don’t go to the perp and ask them to stop perpetrating.  Why don’t we go to thieves and beg them to “Stop stealing!” before calling the cops?

Odd, that.  I have before and still do approach perpetrators and encourage them to stop perpetrating.  I guess you’ve never heard of citizens arrest or other such interventions by civic minded individuals.  They’re still quite common outside of the more urbanized (and thoroughly socialized) areas of the country.

Right.

Indeed!  The “right” thing to do, but alas only done by the “right” anymore.

Only someone who doesn’t see this as any big deal, could say something like that.

Only someone who depends on Government for all their needs would be so reluctant to get involved and act in the public interest.

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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

The aptly named “DaisyDeadhead” takes offense at the term “leftard.”

I sincerely wish you the joy of it!

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Rodney G. Graves
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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

DaisyDeadhead - And calling people “leftards” fails at basic civil discourse, so I guess we’re even.

I’ve never used that word.

You were saying?

And calling people “leftards” fails at basic civil discourse, so I guess we’re even.

Daisy,

You need to stop trying to hide behind that specious rhetorical curtain, or stop pretending that you are smart enough to do so.  Obviously, you aren’t.

The last time any of us looked, offensive, hateful speech, especially political speech, is not illegal.  If it was, DU, Daily Kos, and HuffPo would have been summarily shut down long ago, and Mr. Rall and Mr. Oliphant would be languishing in prison cells.

It’s certainly understandable that you, or anyone else, would take offense at being identified as a leftard.  But idiot, ignoramus, dullard, dolt, dimwit, fool, adolescent, and of course hack all come readily to mind as appropriate.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

The same jackass that complains about the picture here, keeps it up on his blog (three times).

http://washingtonscandal.blogspot.com/

With all due respect, find your convenient I did not know excuse more than lame…especially when you as a part of your explanation REPOST the race baiting photograph here.  Further, there is a similiar rythem in the writing style between the now missing post (which is pasted in full on my blog)and this one…YMMV.  The timing is even more suspect when the post has been picked up (as you point out) by the likes of Michelle Milkin as one example.  Further, as the post points out, this WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME that the photograph/creation has appeared on this site.

There are lines not meant to be crossed, and depicting a Presidential Nominee and a noose with the slogan “The F***ing Solution” is one of those that way crosses the line, amounts in my opinion to hate speech and race baiting.  Which is why I brought the post to the attention of the Secret Service.
Royce Penstinger on October 12, 2008 at 10:28 pm

hyp·o·crite :   
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

2. Royce Penstinger

What do we see on Royce’s blog?

You can’t expect people to keep their racism in check while stoking the fires of their fear of Arabs, Muslims, and terrorists.

...while stoking the fires of their fear of Arabs, Muslims, and terrorists.

Let’s play a game: one of these three are not like the others.

Okay, now you guess which one.

I served in the military for 6 years and don’t take lightly to the ubiquitous and inappropriate use of the word “terrorist”.

You wrote of “Obama’s long-standing ties to terrorists and political extremists.”  You are sadly ignorant. The Weathermen were active when Obama was 8 years old. Is everyone else who served on boards with Ayers a terrorist supporter?

If so, then let’s look at McPalin’s terrorist links:

McCain Campaign Pals Around With Militant Activist Schenck

McCain attended fundraiser for domestic terrorist

McCain linked to private Nazi group in Iran-Contra case

McCain a traitor - gave captors secret info that caused U.S. pilot deaths

McCain’s buddy G. Gordon Liddy encourages radio listeners to shoot ATF agents in the head

McCain pals around with 1960s radical

Palin’s Pals - Domestic Terrorists

The Palins want Alaska to pull out of the U.S.

McCain is also a traitor and a backstabber because he does not support veterans. I have another list of links demonstrating that, but enough already for one crappy blog.

Veterans for Obama 2008!

You wrote of “Obama’s long-standing ties to terrorists and political extremists.” You are sadly ignorant. The Weathermen were active when Obama was 8 years old. Is everyone else who served on boards with Ayers a terrorist supporter?

Where is the ignorant part?

Fact is, Obama launched the start of his political career in Bill Ayers’ home. You know, the guy who believes that he didn’t bomb enough? The guy who likes to step on the US flag and talk shit on her ideals? Yeah,..that guy.

Now spin that one away.

Try not to be sadly ignorant as you do it. We’re watching.

Veterans for Obama 2008!

And mice for cats!

Virginia Veteran,

You a sadly misinformed.

The Weather Underground’s last bombing was in 1975 (January 29th, U. S. State Department), at which point Obama was 13 or 14 years old. 

Ayers and Dorhn did not turn themselves in until December of 1980.  Obama was old enough to vote in the Presidential Election earlier that year.

Dorhn subsequently was imprisoned for contempt of court (20 May 1982) for refusing to testify before a Grand Jury into the activities of the Weather Underground relevant to the fatal robbery of a Brinks Armored Car in 1981.

Both Ayers and Dorhn remain un-repentant.

You, sir, need to learn the difference between your ass and your elbow.

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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

If you are going to remove this offensive graphic… REMOVE IT!

As for the racist pigs that want to justify this insult to American sensibilities by protesting effigy burnings of Boosh… learn a little history morons.  80% of those were done overseas.. by radicals also not associated with Obama. 15% were the work of neocons who rightly believe Boosh betrayed them.  Left wing nut cases were responsible for 5%, who are the counterpart of the hatemongers at McCain rallies screaming “Kill him,” “Shoot him,” and “Hang him…. none of them part of ANY legitimate campaign.

Neither Obama nor McCain should be blamed or apologize for these scum… but a routine statement from BOTH at every appearance denouncing these polarizing psychotics would be appropriate.

Attention virtuous liberals: When would you say the last time a good liberal outlet like the Huffington Post showed pictures of people actually being lynched for the color of their skin?
That would be this last July, when they accused Democrat Toby Keith of inciting lynching with his song “Beer for my horses”. The fact that Keith sang about lynching people for being evil doers rather than being a different color seems to have missed the attention of the

pinheads

columnists at the Huff Po.

That image is still there.  It is horrific - far worse than the amateurish attempt at political commentary attempted here on the Reader Blogs. Yet there was and is to this day no outrage, no calls for its removal. I wonder why that is? Because it was a liberal that posted it there?

Trust me! It’s far more gruesome than a mere picture of Obama and a rope!

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I would consider the level of discourse here at SAB to be generally of a slightly to moderately higher level than the sites mentioned above. I would not argue this point if I thought it was not true. Even with the few true crazies this site attracts, the discourse is generally of a higher quality, even when you take certain overposters and non thinking zealots from both sides into account. Thats not to say the quailty of debate here couldnt be ALOT better, but to see this site as whole reject and refute the post in question is heartening to me.
That said, I wish this election could be decided on issues and ideas. Unfortunately, the GOP has shot itself in the foot by allowing the NEOcons to control the principles and ideology the party has shown for the last decade. The fact that they are down and out due to lack of oversight and fiscal responsiblity within the party has made the fringe more powerful and more vocal. The crazies are on both sides, but in this election, the GOP needs them more than ever because they (republicans) have alienated the center and much of the fiscally conservative right leaning. This lead to what this dust-up and bad press is all about. The GOP needs the crazies because they cant get the moderates this time. I lay this directly at the feet of GWB and of the conservatives that allowed GWB and his neocons to play silly games with no oversight and apparently no thought as to what would happen if these lazy but expediant practices continued.
Some of you would say the far right social issue, spend and borrow types are the real conservatives now. Maybe you are correct. Maybe conservative intellectuals are out in the GOP. Maybe social issues trump fiscal responsibility in the GOP of today. Maybe Terry Shivo type antics are more important to the GOP today than a balanced budget and a strong economy and realistic and attentive foreign policy.
I guess this boils down to “what is a real conservative”?
IMO a real conservative would be able to say the same things, make the same points, but do it in a way that was not offensive and off-puttting to those in the middle and leaning left. Being able to show the American people why conservative ideas are better is VERY important. They cant do it in this election, because they havent practised what they preach. Delivery of ideas, and being able to show a higher moral and ethical standing makes a civil debate much more possible, and attracts more voters to a parties ideas. The dems are not advancing new ideas, or better ideas. The dems have been able to do this for one reason and one reason only. The GOP has a lost its course. It has become the party of social issue lipservice and the party of hypocracy. The GOP has not practised what it preached for some time now, and that has allowed the dems to hold and control the debate, both in topic and in tone. When this happens, the crazies on the losing side get active, they get desperate, and they get vocal. This makes the moderates and intellectuals that every campaign needs to attract go the other direction.
Come on people, if you dont know whats up here, you need to open your eyes. The GOP has opened itself up to this problem because they are not holding the higher moral ground, and they must activate the fringe right because thats all they have right now. Was it worth it? I say no. Better to lose on principal than win on bullshit and neocon style games.
  JFK or even FDR would not recognize the dems of today.
  Reagan and Goldwater would not recognize the GOP of today. So who is better? Who has turned away from principals? The dems were always low on principals. The GOP has always been the party people trust when the chips are down. Not any more it would appear.
Re-attain the higher ground by rebuilding trust with the people if you republicans want to help the country. Without a strong GOP standing up as the party of fiscal responsibility, and as the champion of individual rights and personal responsibility again, we are lost as a nation. Without the trust of the American people, the ability to hold the higher moral ground, the GOP is lost.

When knobert comes-a-ball-sniffin, just swat him away like you would any other stray mutt.

Wow.  Sorry I missed all the fun, especially all the folks getting their panties in a bunch.  How can a silly picture be seen as a threat today, after the last 8-years crap dished out by the left..?

Say what you want, but this was someone’s 1st Amendment right to free speech taken away out of fear.  Fear of the screams from the left shouting racism. 

I said this before, sticks and stones hurt.  Words don’t.  And this was not a threat.  Grow up.

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this was someone’s 1st Amendment right to free speech taken away out of fear.

Everyone has the right to free speech. No one has the right to be heard. Free Speech is a function of government. This is a private enterprise, and thus you have no rights other than what the owners of this forum say you have. Rob did the right thing in rejecting this guy. To do otherwise would only hurt the ideology he espouses, and affirm the accusations levelled at the GOP by the left.

When knobert comes-a-ball-sniffin, just swat him away like you would any other stray mutt.

Everyone has the right to free speech. No one has the right to be heard.

Excellent distinction…

You forgot the

taken away out of fear.

part.  That is where my problem starts.  I am not saying this is good or bad, but people have the right to speech.  When fear takes that away, we as a country are in trouble.

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I apologize to Rob.  I put words in his mouth.  I said that he took away his rights out of fear.  That is my impression, my thoughts because I would have done the opposite.  I would have left the picture there for the person to take the credit for.  Good, bad, or indifferent, his choice to post was his.  This was not yelling fire in a theatre, IMHO.

Sorry.

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I have to wonder if the idiot who posted that disgusting graphic has ties to—or at least got his inspiration from—the idiots who hung nooses from the tree of the high school in Jena, Louisiana?

And for anyone to suggest that the graphic did not have a racist intent is living in deep, deep denial.

I’m just curious at your wildly inaccurate, though casually iterated statement of Obama’s “long standing associations with terrorists and political extremists.  If you’re referring to Ayers, I’d remind you that 40 years ago (when Barack was only 8 years old and certainly didn’t know Ayers so your characterization of a “long standing tie” is false on it’s face) Ayers was engaged in protest sometimes potentially violent against the United States’ involvement in the Viet Nam war.  A subject MANY Americans were radically opposed to.  While I don’t condone his solution, the constitution does in fact suggest such options when faced with an oppressive and unjust goverment.  Again, I don’t approve of his or his group’s solution, however none of that had ANYTHING to do with Obama.  As you well know.  McCain has FAR more nefarious connections and associations.  Ones which have actually direct, and pertinent, real world implications to his political worthiness in the climate today (Keating being not the least of these, but I’m reminded of a certain anti-semitic group he has recently associated himself with (within the last 5 years) as well as an impressive parade of others I can trot out for you if you need me to, although my point here isn’t to stress your “guilt by association” mentality, but rather to challenge it. 

If by ‘political extremists’ you are referring to Rev Wright, I challenge you to point to any one thing he has ever said (even those things said in jest and/or theatrical hyperbole) that are demonstrably false?  I offer you this challenge.  I certainly think outrageous statements such as said by McCain’s friend like “Katrina was God’s judgement for the gays in New Orleans” is far more despicable, and politically extreme than anything ever uttered by Jeremiah Wright.

LAlexFanroy,

Please take your meds before you post. The things you refer to per Jeremiah Wright have long ago been substantiated. You need to update you spiel.

Just read this:
We’re at war folks, and I intend to fight this war until my dying breath. We’re at war against terrorists that want to destroy this country and everything it stands for and we are war against godless liberals who hate the very values and freedoms that this Nation was founded upon.
I will not submit to a “Political Correct” fascist agenda, which wishes to restrict my freedoms.

I wanted to correct some falsehoods in it.
The author couples “godless liberals” with “terrorists” and about the devaluation of freedoms, referring to a “fascist agenda”. I find this rather telling of the ignorance of the person writing it. How can you couple liberals with fascists? Fascists are right wing (like, um, the Republicans.. hello!). And removal of freedoms? You mean like the Republican President Bush is doing? Something like that? And terrorists? Who created more terrorists? Perhaps Bush/Cheney/McCain? Perhaps.

The poster of this quote is most definiitely an ignorant racist.

If you really believe that Obama is an Arab or a Muslim (because they aren’t ALWAYS the same thing…you know, if you knew anything) then you deserve the shitty educational system that did nothing to teach you about other cultures and religions. 

Here’s an idea.  Telling people over and over again that Barack Obama is a terrorist invokes…you guessed it…TERROR in small minded ignorant bigots, so I guess that makes all of you who keep repeating it the terrorists.

God forbid a Black Man be in power for once because white men have done such a fantastic job raping the world of its money and resources.  Open up your fucking eyes you bunch of hateful, small minded, fearful, racist, war mongering, greedy ASSHOLES who think because you are white you are entitled to everything? 

That being said, if McCain didn’t release it then he shouldn’t apologize for it.  What he should apologize for is the portion of the American population who actually believes in this idiocy and racism.

Excuse me, I need to go throw up now, I am so disgusted with how little we have accomplished.  Somewhere Abraham Lincoln is rolling in his grave.

I was going ot congratulate you on having the decency to remove that image, and then you went and repeated the “ties to terrorists” smear.

I guess you believe that the Annenbergs and all those Republicans who sat on the same board as Obama and Ayers also “pal around with terrorists?”

How pathetic…

If you really believe that Obama is an Arab or a Muslim (because they aren’t ALWAYS the same thing…you’d know that, if you knew anything) then you deserve the shitty educational system that did nothing to teach you about other cultures and religions.

I actually don’t believe that Obama is a Muslim, and I don’t believe he’s an Arab either.  And I know that there’s a difference between being Arabic and being Islamic.

I actually think it’s silly to talk about Obama being a Muslim.  Not just because he isn’t one, but because the actual church he admits to attending for twenty years is nutty and offensive enough.  There’s no need to make up stories about his being a Muslim.

Not that being Muslim is inherently offensive.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

As we watch the Right destroy what remaining scraps of credibility it had left, it’s difficult not to wonder what else they’ll try to take down with them into the trash heap of history.

Frightened little rabbits.

BTW, if you think Obama’s church is nutty and offensive, what’s your reaction to Gov. Palin’s Pentacostals or any other branch of the Evangelical Hypocrisy?

LOL @ Jenn…

Have you ever opened YOUR eyes to the fact that poeple might, just might, not like the POLICIES and IDEAS that Barack is spewing? 

Hundreds of Economists Sign Letter Opposing Obama’s Tax Plan  
Read more: ttp://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/10/hundres-of-econ.html

http://www.rightchange.com/issue_tax1.php

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html

It has nothing to do with race, but all the leftist wack jobs will continue to beat that drum.

I’m sure Martin Luther King Jr (a republican) is rolling over in his grave as well.

whoops…  goofed up one of those links.  Here is it again in case you actually want to remove the blinders and see the truth…

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/10/hundres-of-econ.html

jvftz wrote:
“If you are going to make the case that this is just not important, great—then find me somebody that John McCain has been HIRED BY (Obama was hired by Ayers to work at the Annenberg Challenge, and they worked together there for seven years, dispensing $50 million)...”

Obama was hired by the Annenberg foundation, not Ayers.  (Ayers was also hired by them.)  Funny story, Annenberg Foundation was founded by supporters of Ronnie Raygun, and the foundation just gave a huge grant to the Reagan Foundation for scholarships.  The widow of Walter Annenberg, Leonore, has endorsed McCain.  So, Obama was not hired by Ayers, but the people that hired Ayers endorsed McCain.  Clearly, John McCain and Nancy Reagan intend to blow up the pentagon.

Please stop with the Ayers nonsense.  And even regarding McCain’s watered down attack, Obama has been honest about all his interactions with Ayers.

Oh, and please take down the racist, hateful noose picture.

Jenn - God forbid a Black Man be in power for once because white men have done such a fantastic job raping the world of its money and resources.  Open up your fucking eyes you bunch of hateful, small minded, fearful, racist, war mongering, greedy ASSHOLES who think because you are white you are entitled to everything?

Right, because Africa shows that. Everywhere there are white majorities, namely America and Europe, those places are festering shitholes while the continent of Africa is a colossal jewel of human achievement.

Hahaha. Riiiight.

Jenn, you may want to look at your loser of an argument and it’s logical conclusions and then back away from it quickly.

Or,...you could ask yourself why Barack Obama was in Kenya campaigning for Raila Odinga. Maybe you need to Google the sordid tale of a U.S. politician campaigning for a Sharia law imposing Marxist?

It will probably make you throw up again, so be careful.

fiver - *snore*

Billy - Oh, and please take down the racist, hateful noose picture.

Billy, I don’t see you at the left wing blogs asking the same thing.

The picture is up there because it was the story of why a user was banned. Recognize that, learn that, and pull your head out of your ass.

Man, you republickins are a bunch of sick fuckers. You’re liars, hypocrites, delusional, and you’re also breaking the law by threatning violence against Obama. I have taken the liberty of forwarding this page to the FBI, and the SS. All of you must be watched because you’re mentally unstable. Afraid of losing your power in this country. But get use to it, because Obama will win, and all your wishing, or threats, won’t chnage that

I have taken the liberty of forwarding this page to the FBI, and the SS. All of you must be watched because you’re mentally unstable.

The “hope and change” brigade comes to town.

But get use to it, because Obama will win, and all your wishing, or threats, won’t chnage that

ACORN just may steal the election for Obama.

Please stop with the Ayers nonsense.

Lefties hate it when conservatives have free speech.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!