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		<title>By: Seth Yantiss</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/straw_man/#comment-199201</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Yantiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2004 04:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you all have noticed my spelling mistake.  Compare.  Sorry. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m sure you all have noticed my spelling mistake.  Compare.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Yantiss</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/straw_man/#comment-199203</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Yantiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2004 03:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, 
 
Au Contraire&#039; -  &lt;a href=&quot;http://sayanythingblog.com/archives/004755.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Comair the Candidates&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>Au Contraire&#39; &#8211;  <a href="http://sayanythingblog.com/archives/004755.php" rel="nofollow">Comair the Candidates</a></p>
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		<title>By: MikeAdamson</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/straw_man/#comment-199205</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeAdamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2004 02:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing this non-American finds so ironic about this election is that there  isn&#039;t a great deal of difference between Republican and Democratic policy. Some differences in means to the end and who the policy wonks will be but when it comes right down to it, it&#039;s two shades of the same colour. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing this non-American finds so ironic about this election is that there  isn&#39;t a great deal of difference between Republican and Democratic policy. Some differences in means to the end and who the policy wonks will be but when it comes right down to it, it&#39;s two shades of the same colour.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Yantiss</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/straw_man/#comment-199204</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Yantiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David / Tas, 
 
Before you go, there is still this little issue about Republicans being the mean nasty hate-monger-ers.   
&lt;blockquote&gt;Okay, besides abolishing slavery, enabling blacks and women to vote, and passing most equality laws, nothing much I guess.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Do tell, what Democrats have done for any minority besides implement methods to keep them there? 
 
Or, you could yell &quot;Racist&quot; again, and ignore the question. 
 
At no point in this discussion did you show that this flyer was the work of Republicans.  You want to believe that it was Republicans, because you begin your thought process on the premise that all Republicans &lt;b&gt;HATE&lt;/b&gt; non-white people.  So, of course, &lt;i&gt;it has got to be the nasty Republicans, because everything they do is to keep the little guy on their backs.  All they want is oil.  George Bush built a time machine and killed off all of the Dinosaurs so he could get the oil in 2004.  The Republicans are for Global warming.  They want to destroy our world.  Genocide is to small a project for the Republicans, they won&#039;t stop until the Sun explodes.&lt;/i&gt;   
 
Past all of the speculation, is it possible that Republicans are a group of people that identify with the ideals of the individual?  Could it be that Republicans adhere to a deeper sense of individual accomplishment and accountability?   
 
Please, do tell me why it is that you feel &quot;Republicans&quot; are the oppressors.   
 
There are individuals in every group,  right? 
 
Democrat groups are made up of individuals, right? 
 
Republican groups are made up of individuals, right? 
 
The difference is, Democrats want what is best for the GROUP.  Republicans want what is best for the individual. 
 
When your focus is on the Group, some individuals suffer.  When your focus is on the individual, everyone benefits.  When you focus on groups, some in the group can be lazy.  When you focus on the individual, everyone is held accountable. 
 
No, I do not think that all republicans are incorruptible.  No human is.  But, if your focus is on individuals, it is harder to think in terms of exploitation.  Exploiting a group is easy.  When your in a group, it&#039;s easier to blame others.  When you count on individuals, you have an easier time blaming yourself. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David / Tas, </p>
<p>Before you go, there is still this little issue about Republicans being the mean nasty hate-monger-ers.   </p>
<blockquote><p>Okay, besides abolishing slavery, enabling blacks and women to vote, and passing most equality laws, nothing much I guess.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do tell, what Democrats have done for any minority besides implement methods to keep them there? </p>
<p>Or, you could yell &quot;Racist&quot; again, and ignore the question. </p>
<p>At no point in this discussion did you show that this flyer was the work of Republicans.  You want to believe that it was Republicans, because you begin your thought process on the premise that all Republicans <b>HATE</b> non-white people.  So, of course, <i>it has got to be the nasty Republicans, because everything they do is to keep the little guy on their backs.  All they want is oil.  George Bush built a time machine and killed off all of the Dinosaurs so he could get the oil in 2004.  The Republicans are for Global warming.  They want to destroy our world.  Genocide is to small a project for the Republicans, they won&#39;t stop until the Sun explodes.</i>   </p>
<p>Past all of the speculation, is it possible that Republicans are a group of people that identify with the ideals of the individual?  Could it be that Republicans adhere to a deeper sense of individual accomplishment and accountability?   </p>
<p>Please, do tell me why it is that you feel &quot;Republicans&quot; are the oppressors.   </p>
<p>There are individuals in every group,  right? </p>
<p>Democrat groups are made up of individuals, right? </p>
<p>Republican groups are made up of individuals, right? </p>
<p>The difference is, Democrats want what is best for the GROUP.  Republicans want what is best for the individual. </p>
<p>When your focus is on the Group, some individuals suffer.  When your focus is on the individual, everyone benefits.  When you focus on groups, some in the group can be lazy.  When you focus on the individual, everyone is held accountable. </p>
<p>No, I do not think that all republicans are incorruptible.  No human is.  But, if your focus is on individuals, it is harder to think in terms of exploitation.  Exploiting a group is easy.  When your in a group, it&#39;s easier to blame others.  When you count on individuals, you have an easier time blaming yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: et alia</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/straw_man/#comment-199202</link>
		<dc:creator>et alia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...not a lot of progress since I last checked here.&nbsp;Rob still doesn&#039;t understand what a straw man argument is, Darleen seems to think that we&#039;re in a courtroom rather than expressing opinions&mdash;some of which are more reasonable than others, of course; but by insisting on a courtroom standard of evidence, Darleen pretty much removes hers from the ranks fo the reasonable ones&mdash;and an avalance of &lt;i&gt;non-sequiturs&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;tu quoques.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
If the insults were a bit more witty, it might actually be funny.&nbsp;But that&#039;s OK.&nbsp;It&#039;s just another flame party in a blog&#039;s comment area. 
 
Too bad we can&#039;t all get together.&nbsp;We could have a barbeque and then play charades or whatever. 
 
I&#039;ll bring beer! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;not a lot of progress since I last checked here.&amp;nbsp;Rob still doesn&#39;t understand what a straw man argument is, Darleen seems to think that we&#39;re in a courtroom rather than expressing opinions&amp;mdash;some of which are more reasonable than others, of course; but by insisting on a courtroom standard of evidence, Darleen pretty much removes hers from the ranks fo the reasonable ones&amp;mdash;and an avalance of <i>non-sequiturs</i> and <i>tu quoques.</i> </p>
<p>If the insults were a bit more witty, it might actually be funny.&amp;nbsp;But that&#39;s OK.&amp;nbsp;It&#39;s just another flame party in a blog&#39;s comment area. </p>
<p>Too bad we can&#39;t all get together.&amp;nbsp;We could have a barbeque and then play charades or whatever. </p>
<p>I&#39;ll bring beer!</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewBB</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/straw_man/#comment-199197</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>triticale - your post has no proof and their are factual statements not merely opinions made. 
 
This &quot;prove it&quot; game is too easy to play. It has no rules. 
 
Everybody lives on a set of beliefs. No one can prove God exists either - but it sure changes the reality on the ground. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>triticale &#8211; your post has no proof and their are factual statements not merely opinions made. </p>
<p>This &quot;prove it&quot; game is too easy to play. It has no rules. </p>
<p>Everybody lives on a set of beliefs. No one can prove God exists either &#8211; but it sure changes the reality on the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Darleen</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/straw_man/#comment-199200</link>
		<dc:creator>Darleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The amazing thing is, Tas and David, your attempts at continuing your line of schtick when it&#039;s obvious you have no grasp of what you&#039;re talking about. 
 
&quot;Mountains of evidence?&quot; Sorry, boys ... not only have you not presented &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; direct evidence in this case, but when it comes to the so called &quot;who benefits&quot; the &quot;convenient discovery&quot; swings the benefits right back at the Dems. Kind of like the &quot;hate crime hoax&quot; I linked to earlier.  
 
You have &lt;i&gt;opinion&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;conjecture&lt;/i&gt; only, and it holds up as well as a 1972 memo typed on MSWord. 
 
Do your communities a favor and duck jury duty. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amazing thing is, Tas and David, your attempts at continuing your line of schtick when it&#39;s obvious you have no grasp of what you&#39;re talking about. </p>
<p>&quot;Mountains of evidence?&quot; Sorry, boys &#8230; not only have you not presented <i>any</i> direct evidence in this case, but when it comes to the so called &quot;who benefits&quot; the &quot;convenient discovery&quot; swings the benefits right back at the Dems. Kind of like the &quot;hate crime hoax&quot; I linked to earlier.  </p>
<p>You have <i>opinion</i> and <i>conjecture</i> only, and it holds up as well as a 1972 memo typed on MSWord. </p>
<p>Do your communities a favor and duck jury duty.</p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/straw_man/#comment-199199</link>
		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto, Daivd.  I&#039;m done with this, because it&#039;s quite obvious that they want to live int heir own little world and ignore anything that proves them wrong. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto, Daivd.  I&#39;m done with this, because it&#39;s quite obvious that they want to live int heir own little world and ignore anything that proves them wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/straw_man/#comment-199198</link>
		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to fall into your attempted (mis)framing of the argument, Darleen, because you know that&#039;s what I wasn&#039;t talking about.  You know damn well that this isn&#039;t the case.   
 
This isn&#039;t about DAs, this is about a flyer meant to surpress the black vote being distributed in black communities, and the part the benefits just happens to have a long and deep history of surpressing black voters.  
 
History and the evidence are on our side, and it&#039;s your side that now has the burden of proof upon you.   
 
And I&#039;m really, really trying to be nice here.  Because I don&#039;t want to say what I honestly think about people who are this ignorant of history. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not going to fall into your attempted (mis)framing of the argument, Darleen, because you know that&#39;s what I wasn&#39;t talking about.  You know damn well that this isn&#39;t the case.   </p>
<p>This isn&#39;t about DAs, this is about a flyer meant to surpress the black vote being distributed in black communities, and the part the benefits just happens to have a long and deep history of surpressing black voters.  </p>
<p>History and the evidence are on our side, and it&#39;s your side that now has the burden of proof upon you.   </p>
<p>And I&#39;m really, really trying to be nice here.  Because I don&#39;t want to say what I honestly think about people who are this ignorant of history.</p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/straw_man/#comment-199209</link>
		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furthermore, the expectation of some sort of direct connection to the Republicans in a case where it&#039;s so tough to find one is absolutely ridiculous, especially given the mountain of evidence pointing to the GOP.  Why such standards have to be applied to our side when your side is allowed to tell any unsubstantiated lie they want about John Kerry is, quite frankly, extremely hypocritical. 
 
As I&#039;ve said before, history and the evidence is on our side.  The burden of proof is on your shoulders now. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, the expectation of some sort of direct connection to the Republicans in a case where it&#39;s so tough to find one is absolutely ridiculous, especially given the mountain of evidence pointing to the GOP.  Why such standards have to be applied to our side when your side is allowed to tell any unsubstantiated lie they want about John Kerry is, quite frankly, extremely hypocritical. </p>
<p>As I&#39;ve said before, history and the evidence is on our side.  The burden of proof is on your shoulders now.</p>
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