Straight White Men Apparently Aren’t One Of Obama’s Constituencies


Another moment of unity brought to you by our post-racial president:

( – Fresh off his reelection, President Barack Obama is asking his supporters to complete a survey that asks the people being polled to check off which “constituency groups” they identify with – there are 22 groups listed but not one for “whites” or “men.”

The post-election survey, distributed through to “take this organization forward,” includes the question, “Which constituency groups do you identify yourself with? Select all that apply.” It then lists 22 groups.

But whites and men are not on the list – women are, as are African Americans, Arab-Americans, Latinos and LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender).

Discrimination is ok, I guess, as long as it’s the right sort of discrimination.

Rob Port is the editor of In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters.

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  • realitybasedbob

    Is this the same Barack Obama who won in an electoral college landslide?

  • LibertyFargo

    Both “sides” of our party system have this insane problem of viewing people in terms of their demographics only. We are lead to believe we must say one thing to Latinos and another to single moms and another to 30-something middle managers with 1/2 African heritage and 1/2 Asian heritage! It might win elections (on both sides) but doesn’t educate the people about Liberty.

    We need to speak to Americans. Neither side did that this presidential election. Ideas didn’t win. Talking points and demographic demagoguery won the day (demagoguery both won AND lost the Presidential Election).

    • Tim Heise

      Good Point. I am guilty of this for finding minorty republican canindates to support. In my defense, Mia Love of Utah and Allen West of Fl are in fact awesome.

      • realitybasedbob

        Interesting choices. How did they do in the election?

      • Game

        Dear Republicans,
        Please support Mia Love and Allen West,

        Tim Heise and Democrats Everywhere

        • Captornado

          Can’t speak for sure about Love but as for West he lost amidst rampant voter fraud and corruption on the part of the Dem’s.

          • $8194357

            But by any means has been the lefts accepted strategy since
            Alinsky and the “New Left Communists” took over the party…
            Sooo Its just buisness as usual…The Chicago way..

          • Game

            Bull, Allen West and his attorneys were unable to demonstrate any inappropriate or illegal actions by either election officials and neither he nor his attorneys have presented substantiated evidence of any fraudulent votes.

            Allen West, a far Rightwing “Tea Party” favorite, has a long history of inappropriate and unsubstantiated attacks on his fellow elected officials and colleagues. If he thought he could have made a point that he could win, he would have stayed in the race (heck he already did for two weeks). However, he lost. He lost because the voters of his district did not believe him and his craziness. However, I am sure he will land on his feet and find a job yelling at the camera’s at Fox News.

          • borborygmi

            Proof? Surely if this was true RNC, and its Information Outlet , FOx would be all over it. Or perhaps Wests Bombastic nature just turned people off.

          • The Revealer

            Of course you have evidence of this “rampant voter fraud and corruption on the part of the Dem’s.”

            And of course you contacted the appropriate authorities, and gave them this evidence of “rampant voter fraud and corruption on the part of the Dem’s.”

            What? You didn’t?
            You dogshit you! You are part of the problem.

      • LibertyFargo

        My point is that “Awesome” shouldn’t be decided on demographics but on “ideas.” I don’t care if they are black, white, or purple. Mormon, Athiest, or “other!” Are they they ideologically in line with me on issues of liberty, self-government, and constitutional fidelity? Those should be our foci!

        My personal convictions are important to me. My religious & moral convictions give me direction for my own life but aren’t the litmus test for a political candidate.

        • borborygmi

          Yet the social Conservatives didn’t vote for Romney since he wasn’t Christian thus Evil (ask Neiman). THose are ideas that are worth talking about. 7P62 if you voted for Romney does that make you evil?

          • $8194357

            It means I cast my vote for a slower death than the muslim.

    • Rob

      It’s a divide and conquer strategy, and they use it everywhere in politics.

      Want to raise taxes? Pit “the poor” versus “the rich.”

      Etc, etc.

      You’re right. We don’t talk about ideas.

      • $8194357


        • borborygmi

          Perhaps Obama and the Dems are just going to write off 47% of the vote. Actually white straight males that accept gifts weren’t written off. The Conservatives are going to put out a similar but simpler survey
          GIfts_ No Gifts_

          • $8194357

            Whatever you say gurgle…
            ‘You” couldn’t be wrong.

          • borborygmi

            At last you recognize superiority. Thanks 7p62. May God continue to bless you.

          • $8194357

            What did I tell ya about that blindness thing?
            I hope and pray the good Lord Bless and Keep you and yours this Thanksgiving holiday…The Peace of Jesus is my hope for you in these trying and troublesome times, borb..
            God Bless you as well.

          • borborygmi

            May you have a Great Thanksgiving with Family and Friends.

    • borborygmi

      A good place to start is stopping the nonsense you hear from the conservative sides of being the “real americans”

      • $8194357

        Real Constitutional Americans gurgle…
        Just a “small” thing you left out..
        Rule of Limited Law Federalism as given us..

        • LibertyFargo

          I agree. I didn’t think bringing up Federalism and Limited Government with enumerated powers would be fruitful as that is a foreign concept for most Americans (unfortunately) and four-lettered-words for most progressives.

          • $8194357

            Ya it is what it is…
            Soviet central planning mentality
            of all big government leftists..

        • borborygmi

          I have never seen that term , usually it is left as “real Americans” Born in the US (and i do have papers) yep constitutionally I am an American. Imagine that. Or do you mean the Constitution before it was amended or after it was amended. Or perhaps The Constitution that you wish to follow should only have some of the Amendments? You know just the ones you agree with. Please your interpretation.

          • $8194357

            Just because you don’t know something dosn’t mean it aint so
            oh self important one..
            My interpretation is those few and defined given to the Feds..
            All else is socialist central planning..

          • borborygmi

            So the answer is the Constitution with only the Amendments you agree with.

          • $8194357

            The ‘only’ answer that will get thru your ideological force shield is one predetermined to line up with your leftist pre-concieved projections anyway gurgle. So if ‘you’ say so…

          • borborygmi

            The ‘only’ answer that will get thru your ideological force shield is one predetermined to line up with your ‘right’ pre-concieved projections…..Hmmph seems to work both ways

          • $8194357

            How lucifer inspired Marxist/Alinsky original of you gurgle.

  • spud

    What is sad is that is the only constituency for the GOP. Also funny Obama flying on airforce 1 and Mitt looking disheveled pumping his own gas. Another bit of irony after all the votes are tallied and percentages rounded off Mitt will have received 47% of the national vote. Priceless. Rob the democrats do not have an electoral problem and a constituency problem a big chunk of there voters never lived during a segregated period and most have computer and technological skills. They are not old and outdated. If you study the Obama campaign’s get out the voter model you will see just how far behind the repubs are. Losing 5 out of last 6 popular vote totals in presidential election should be evident enough.

  • Game

    Going back to my theme of “words have meaning”, how is not having a box to check on a post-election survey from a political campaign “discrimination”? Perhaps it is annoying or somewhat funny, but discrimination? I can’t imagine in a world in which real discrimination exists that anybody not having a check next to their race or gender would raise to the level of unjust or prejudicial treatment.

    • Rob

      And yet, we all know what the reaction would have been if Mitt Romney hadn’t included gays. Or blacks. Or some other demographic.

      • Game

        Well, Mitt Romney and the GOP’s official platform was that Gay’s should not be allowed to marry, to serve in our armed forces, or to have parental rights, things both of us accept as unjust, so there is actual documented proof that they support discrimination against GLBT folks. Those raise to the level of discrimination.

        I also would not expect a post election survey for Romney to include the GLBT check box (would you?), however that would again be annoying and funny, but not discrimination.

  • $8194357

    I am white and married a white woman…
    Therefore the left says I am a racist homo phobe..
    Marxists of old said to use racism as the grit between the society
    to rub the wounds raw and never heal..
    sexual prefferance
    young against old..
    Every concievable group and/or cause..
    It has done its “magic” on our society, has it not?

  • borborygmi

    I am white male and don’t feel discriminated against.

    • $8194357

      Did ya ever go to the Chicago bath houses with Barry and Rahm?

      • borborygmi

        By the tone of your writing you did and didn’t enjoy it. I never had the privilege. You lucky dog.

        • $8194357

          borborygmi•a day ago−
          I am white male and don’t feel discriminated against.

          Why would the devil threaten someone who is not a danger to him?

          • borborygmi

            Why would God threaten everyone who is a danger to him?

          • $8194357

            Followers of deception lining up to serve his, “lucifers”
            war on God and His creation, perhaps, gurgle?
            One who used to sit at Your table tries to over throw you and destroy your Kingdom ya know…Leaves a distinct “rightous anger”, huh..
            apoligists….useful fool tools to throw into the Cloward/Piven fire of destruction….
            Ideologies deceptions huh.

          • borborygmi

            Not quite the answer I expected from a true believer such as yourself.
            God is well God. He is all powerful and all knowing and should fear nothing. Perhaps righteous anger is not fear. I suppose he could fear the loss of his flock which could make him irrelavant, but that seems hardly possible. He has always found at least one person that is righteous.

          • $8194357

            Once again and as always fartbubble.
            (whats in a name?)
            Your “inner struggle” is with the Almighty…
            Not me…
            Take it to the Lord in prayer and
            quit expecting me or others to answer
            or fight your battle for you, huh.

          • borborygmi

            I would think that since your philosophy, you actions and ideas are predicated on your or someone elses interpretation of the Bible you should be able to defend it. You and others feel that the United States should be a Christian Nation. That is a concern to me not a struggle with the ALmighty. Perhaps it is impossible to defend because as you mention above it is truly a personal inner struggle?
            You mentioned above religion isn’t Jesus Christ,which if you mean the pomp the ceremony as practiced by Religions/sect is Religion, I agree. Yet to support your belief in Christ you must believe an interpretation of the BIble and the Bible is the foundation of Christianity which is a Religion… Who’s interpretation are you following and what makes them right? The Bible has been rewritten numerous times. If it is an individual interpretation then there would be millions of permutations that would be considered righteous. What makes the individual right?

          • $8194357

            I don’t have a ‘philosophy’..
            I don’t have ‘religion’.
            I have a Born Again Spiritual ‘relationship’ with the living Jesus.
            There is no need for ‘me’ to defend my defender and advocate.
            You will need an advocate as well on Judgement Day as the
            ‘accuser’ list his record of ‘your’ many moral failings.
            ‘MINE’ are “COVERED WITH THE BLOOD”
            of “THE LAMB FOR SINNERS SLAIN”.
            Wonder Working Power in the Blood…..

          • $8194357

            Psalm 69:4

            New King James Version (NKJV)

            4 Those who hate me without a cause
            Are more than the hairs of my head;
            They are mighty who would destroy me,
            Being my enemies wrongfully;
            Though I have stolen nothing,
            I still must restore it.

            John 15:17-25

            New King James Version (NKJV)

            17 These things I command you, that you love one another.

            The World’s Hatred

            18 “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.
            19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
            20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.
            21 But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me.
            22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.
            23 He who hates Me hates My Father also.
            24 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father.
            25 But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’[a]

            The Coming Rejection

            26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father,
            He will testify of Me.
            27 And you also will bear witness,
            because you have been with Me from the beginning.

          • $8194357

            Satan Tempts Jesus
            (he uses Scripture falsley to lead mankind astray gurgle7.62)

            1Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

            2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights,
            afterward He was hungry.
            (Bread to eat the world knows not of,7.62)

            3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said,
            “If You are the Son of God, command that these
            stones become bread.”

            4 But He answered and said,
            “It is written,
            ‘Man shall not live by bread alone,
            but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’”[a]

            5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city,
            set Him on the pinnacle of the temple,

            6 and said to Him,
            (lucifer says to is written…lucifer showed this to Mo, Marx,and Alinskys new left communist democrats as well, false enlightenement or morality social justice lies.7.62)
            “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down.
            For it is written:

            ‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
            ‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
            Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”[b]

            7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’”[c]

            8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.

            9 And he said to Him,
            “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

            10 Then Jesus said to him,
            “Away with you,[d] Satan!
            For it is written,
            ‘You shall worship the Lord your God,
            and Him only you shall serve.’”[e]

            11 Then the devil left Him, and behold,
            angels came and ministered to Him.

          • $8194357

            I have ‘Bread to eat’
            The world knows not of…
            Food for the soul of mankind..

            The Alpha and Omega

            FOR IT IS WRITTEN

            Deuteronomy 32:35

            New King James Version (NKJV)

            35 Vengeance is Mine, and recompense;
            Their foot shall slip in due time;
            For the day of their calamity is at hand,
            And the things to come hasten upon them.’

            Romans 12:18-20

            New King James Version (NKJV)

            18 If it is possible,
            as much as depends on you,
            live peaceably with all men.

            19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves,
            but rather give place to wrath;

            for it is written,
            “Vengeance is Mine,

            I will repay,”[a] says the Lord.

            20 Therefore
            (Whats the therefore; ‘there for’?
            continuation of the previous point being made,7,62)

            “If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
            If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
            For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”[b]

            Proverbs 25:21-22

            New King James Version (NKJV)

            21 If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat;
            And if he is thirsty, give him water to drink;

            22 For so you will heap coals of fire on his head,
            And the Lord will reward you.

    • Neiman

      Liberals have no feelings, only an agenda.

      • borborygmi

        Oh boo hoo you hurt my feelings

        • Neiman

          I am sorry, I forgot you liberal women are given to much emotions.

          • realitybasedbob

            Neiman 35
            minutes ago in reply to robert108

            I am not interested in smacking anyone down, only engaging in civil, rational debates for my own better understanding and perhaps on occasion benefit someone else. I would rather encourage others in the right direction, not smack anyone down.

  • davo

    Rule #1 to fix the conservative movement in the United States: Stopping Being Stupid.
    You are breaking Rule #1

    • Neiman

      Yes, we know – accept gay marriage, accept the mass slaughter of helpless, innocent babies, pay the slut tax giving single women free birth control, agree that Christians are enemies of the state, accept an unlimited debt, higher taxes and submission to the State so we can win, right?

      Win as what? Conservative Democrats? Liberal moral degenerates?

      It is easy for your side to demand we submit to the leftist tilt of the country and moral degradations and a socialist state, after all those are things you want for America anyway.

      • Rob

        Just as a practical matter, Neiman, do you really think you’re going to persuade a lot of people by going around calling women sluts?

        • Neiman

          In my own defense: Persuade them towards what?

          One of the problems we have in this country is that we have stopped calling things what they are, we soften the words to make them more appealing and more self serving to ease our conscience from the sins we commit, pretending with new words that they are not what they really are – sin.

          For example, we call the cold blooded first degree murder of helpless, innocent babies in the womb and often partially outside the womb; family planning, reproductive services, choice, etc., because that keeps us from facing our mass slaughter of children. What it is – is murder, the cold-blood decision to terminate the life of a human being, one not guilty of a capital crime or having access to legal representation or appeals. But, I am sure you object to the term murder, as it will not persuade a lot of people to something.

          Well what Hitler did was not mass murder, right? No it was ethnic cleansing, kind of like taking a white bath, right? <- sarcasm

          For what purpose did all the young single women vote for Obama, which identified their reasons as defending reproductive rights, which we all knew and know now, was for them to have free access to birth control and abortions? Do virgins or young women with a sense of sexual morality want or need free access to birth control or abortions? Would moral young women vote for Obama so they could abort their babies or get birth control? No, these single young women are by choice engaging in sexual relations, fornication, outside the marriage bed, which makes them sluts; which means "A woman of loose character, bold hussy, a "slovenly woman," and that tend to evolve toward "woman of loose morals"

          No, we removed such words, they are offensive, as young women today that engage in sexual relations with multiple partners are still "good girls," we Christians are castigated for wanting to cause them a sense of shame, having a desire to enter marriage absent such prolific fornications pollution. It is time to call a spade a spade, a sexually promiscuous rose by any other name still stinks, by our not being able to call their behavior what it really is in God's sight, is to polite them into hell and that is not Christian love, that is hate.

          I still believe we need to feel a sense of shame for our sins, having a desire to repent, be healed and find peace with God and we do not get there by applying saccharine sweet self-serving euphemisms and by refusing to call a promiscuous women what God calls them, and that for the sakes of their everlasting souls, in the love of God..

          • borborygmi

            You do hate women don’t you. All kinds of mention of promiscuous women but nothing about promiscuous men. A bit sexist Neiman. Good girls, bad girls, Good Men bad men?

          • Neiman

            Was it the young single men that voted for Obama and free contraception and abortions or men? If it was the young women, then they were the subject of the response.

            It is because you are a liberal you do not recognize good and evil, well accept all Christians and most conservatives are evil, right?

          • borborygmi

            “No, we removed such words, they are offensive, as young women today that engage in sexual relations with multiple partners are still “good girls,” we Christians are castigated for wanting to cause them a sense of shame, having a desire to enter marriage absent such prolific fornications pollution. It is time to call a spade a spade, a sexually promiscuous rose by any other name still stinks, by our not being able to call their behavior what it really is in God’s sight, is to polite them into hell and that is not Christian love, that is hate.”
            That statement has nothing to do with how some one voted. It shows the good ole standard of men need to sow their wild oats the women are promiscuous sluts.

          • Neiman

            The subject changed Moosebreath, Rob was challenging my use of the word “slut” and it not being useful in persuading someone about something. I was defending the use of that word, it was no longer about voting, wake the heck up.

            You keep repeating a lie, something I never said nor intimated. I speak directly to a subject, unlike you shot gun liberals that shoot as many bullets as you can in hopes something will hit the wall. Yet, is it the men that voted for Obama for free birth control and abortions or single young women? If the latter, then are they not the subject of the conversation? Men are not excused by God from sexual misconduct like fornication outside the marriage bed.

          • $8194357

            The PC religion of the secularist..
            To undermine a moral people….
            Useing “false moral high ground”
            Point right and cry “(nsert cause/group here) FOUL..

      • borborygmi

        Back in the old days a ruler ordered the mass slaughter of those that displeased him or transgressed his chosen people, yet you worship him! Apparently it is all relative. How progressive of you.
        On the “slut tax” do you know that insurance companies cover viagra so men can participate in the two person tango. The woman is a slut the man is what ‘manly’. Birth Control helps eliminate the murder of the innocent. Submit woman and if you get pregnant it is Gods will.

        • Neiman

          Identify what ruler you are talking about and what mass slaughter you are talking about.

          “It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart
          that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. (Deuteronomy 9:5)

          “You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. (Deuteronomy 12:31)

          The wickedness of these people is confirmed in other verses of the Bible. So we see that these people are not quite as innocent as the atheists would like you to believe. The fact that these people practiced child sacrifice is also confirmed in the secular writings of the Greeks. Then again, maybe those atheists/liberals believe that killing your children is not all bad. After all, killing viable pre-born babies is legal in this country (it’s called a choice, a.k.a. abortion). For these reasons (andothers), God ordered the destruction of the peoples whom the Israelites dispossessed.”

          “In order to maintain His righteousness, God must judge sin – everything that goes against His character. If God let everyone into heaven, then He would have to allow in people such as Stalin and Hitler. Obviously, heaven would not be a good place to be with the likes of those people there. Therefore, God’s righteousness requires the judgment of all sin. Only those people who agree with God and are willing to allow themselves to be changed into sinless beings can enter into heaven.”

          This should be a warning to you, without the Redemption found in Christ alone, God will one day judge you for your sins and the penalty is more horrific than you can possible imagine.

          I NEVER said the men were not guilty of immoral conduct, I know you are not to smart and these things are hard for you to understand, but the subject was young, single women that voted for Obama so they could get free contraception and abortions. If you want to discuss men and their fornications and Viagra separately, fine, they will not get off easily.

          Birth control is still abortion at an earlier stage and it is still used by these single women to prevent conception, which would not happen if they were chaste until marriage and were living as God called them to live. So, while it may prevent murder of their babies, it is solely done so they can sleep around and be sexually immoral.

          • borborygmi

            “Identify what ruler you are talking about and what mass slaughter you are talking about.” Now Hearken unto the voice of the Lord. Preface to Samuel ordering Saul to Destroy the Amalec, >Thus saith the Lord of hosts: I have reckoned up all that Amalec had done to Israel…….Now therefore go and smite Amalec, and utterly destroy all that he hath.,….but slay both man and woman, child and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass… Woman, I wonder how many were pregnant, child and suckling…..babies at the teat… beautiful, killing is so relative to the situation isn’t it. Babies, children, women pregnant or not at the same level at livestock…….Praise God.

          • Neiman

            I already answered this above, nothing like being a day late and a dollar short. Like Bug’s said about you, “what a maroon!”

          • borborygmi

            Yet you continue to argue that Libs are baby killers. You rightfully abhor it. God kills baby and eh no big deal he is God. He is punishing sin too bad for the baby to be born to bad people. Morality is definitely relative.

          • Neiman

            If there is a tumor that will kill the person, would you say the surgeon should or should not cut it out and that completely to save a life? Well, God in times past, for our benefit commanded others and sometimes acted directly, with His absolute knowledge of good and evil, to cut out the tumors of evil that would infect His people and cause them to sin and enter into hell lost. In that He showed that we must not tolerate evil in ourselves, for the slightest sin will destroy the person.

            Unable to do it ourselves (resist sin) and in His love wanting none to fail to gain Heaven, He laid all our sins on Jesus, so that sin could not destroy us; we then being perfectly pardoned would live eternally. Still, applying that cure, to return to our surgeon analogy, He had to allow us to choose to accept that operation and cure, by our free will choice. Sadly, most human beings rather than admit they sin and that their sins will cause them to suffer forever, wanting to fulfill their lusts, have rejected His offer and that rejection must be laid at their feet, not the Lord Who saved them all perfectly, if only they said yes.

            As to the baby being born to bad people, the parents chose to reject God and His Salvation by choice and they are responsible for bringing that child into the world and keeping them from the truth of God’s Love. God could have prevented it, but that would violate free will and it is critical that all who come to Him do so by their own free will, not under compulsion of any kind that, they love Him more than the pleasures of this world.

            Morality is not relative at all, God acts based on His omniscience, His knowledge of all things and thus every act is perfectly moral; while when we act, with our finite knowledge and frail wisdom, it will never, outside of God’s clear leading, be perfectly moral.

          • $8194357

            (Morality is definitely relative.)
            Only to a relitivist, huh..
            Comes with the “false” being substituted for the “true”.

          • boborygmi

            Yet when God kills it is okay and when God has other kill for him it is okay. Relative to being God or commanded by God or not it appears to me. Either way the baby dies. The children, babies, sucklings are going to grow up bad? Couldn’t be adopted by the Israelites? The Liberals kill babies bad, I agree, God kills babies,Good? I don’t agree. “In that He showed that we must not tolerate evil in ourselves, for the slightest sin will destroy the person” He sure showed those babies……So when an errant drone strike or bomb or missile kills babies do the people who pulled the trigger or gave the order sinful. or do we just have collateral damage.

            “but that would violate free will and it is critical that all who come to Him do so by their own free will, not under compulsion of any kind that”, unless you don’t consider the threat of death compulsory.

            We are taught to fear God and why not poof you are dead

          • $8194357

            The life of the apoligist devils advocate…
            God haters one and all..
            “Useful” for advancing deceptions false enlightenment, huh.

          • borborygmi

            FIne let us start on the immorality of men, promiscuous men, adulterous men, young men, old men, Surely they can control their actions as well as the woman. It seems to me in general the blame goes to Eve, she is the one to take the proffered forbidden fruit and talk Adam into partaking.

          • Neiman

            Oh, so all men are raping all women? I already said fornication outside the marriage bed is a sin, even for men.

            Make fun if you want, but God blamed Eve, He cursed her with child bearing; while He caused Adam to suffer alike for giving in to her enticements to do evil. So, both sinned and both were cast from the Garden and both suffered death, what is your point?

            You liberals are like that you know, if one person sins and you can find the other person in sin, both sins are cancelled. You love to find Republicans in sin or a crime and if any Democrat is caught doing the same things, they get a free pass because a Republican did it too. God’ says they both sinned, they both get the same punishment and even tiny one sin equals everlasting conscious suffering.

            These single young women deserve the label ‘slut,’ they are knowingly committing sin and to cover it up they are willing to kill their own children. The men that lay with them are searing their own consciences and heading for hell too and if they consent to the abortion share equal guilt before God.

          • borborygmi

            Now abstinence would be great but wouldn’t prevention of pregnancy be better for the world in general since abstinence seems to be vanishing.

          • Neiman

            I understand that point and it is tempting to agree, as Satan is reigning and ruling this earth for a season; but, as a Christian I cannot say birth control which encourages sexual promiscuity is a good thing. It may be the lesser of two evils in this world, but still an evil thing in its way.

    • Rob

      You must define “being stupid” as pointing out liberal hypocrisy.

      • borborygmi

        Hypocrisy…Thy name is Conservative. The main tenet , self reliance, personal responsibility is thrown out the window with Conservatives blaming everyone and everything but themselves when they lose an election or the children don’t turn out the way they want.

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        • ‘Tom Crawford

          Ah, until you said Conservative, I thought you were talking about Obama. Since he likes to say I, me, myself so much in his speeches taking credit for anything good, but when it comes to anything bad…insert everything except “I,me, myself” in for blame….and blame Bush if you can.

        • guest

          “self reliance, personal responsibility is thrown out the window”

          You should take that up with the resident democratic/liberal tax cheat, hannitized. He’s one of yours..


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          • borborygmi

            And that excuses Conservatives?

  • nimrod

    Along the same lines; I would imagine those who pay taxes are a group who do not support Obama, and those who consume taxes would greatly support Obama.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    call me any name you like, I don’t care. But the world would be very primitive without the contributions of straight white men

  • Mel

    They aren’t color blind so much as they are blinded by color. (and genetalia)