You forgot this part of the article:

The “Go Oregon” program is still new. According to its latest progress report, 8 percent of the money has been spent and hundreds of projects have yet to be completed. More paychecks are bound to be written as construction continues.
If Oregon’s dollars-to-jobs ratio remains steady, the program will create about 688 full-time, yearlong jobs. So far, it’s generated only enough hours to employ 54 people full-time for a year.
Still, contractor Deborah Matthews of Pacificmark Construction, based in Milwaukie, Ore., is happy for any work. Her company picked up three contracts for painting, installing a water filter system and refurbishing a maintenance building. Prior to those contracts, which lasted about six weeks, she had laid off nearly all her construction workers. She brought back three full-time and hired a part-time worker.
“It was a little bit,” she said, “to just keep us going.”

It must be nice to be a republican and offer nothing constructive, no ideas, nothing but constant harping criticism born of your bitterness and resentment over losing the last two major elections. Most people would get off their fat asses and attempt to offer their own solutions, to try and correct the problems that affect their fellow man. But the shitstains that call themselves conservatives merely sit back and hope for more failure.

Take a look in the mirror and see if you can look yourselves in the face without vomiting.

I knew that when I saw that headline that Dino was going to come in with a torpedo.

Key: If Oregon’s dollars-to-jobs ratio remains steady

Oregon’s economy is in the toilet. If they want real stimulus they will stop over regulationg fishing, timber harvest, mining, etc… That would benefit liberals/conservatives/aliens and everyone else.

This Obama version is nothing but garbage. It’s a solid story.

And Dino’s torpedo was very effective seeing as how no one but you offered a rebuttal and it’s weak.

Oregon is no worse off than 99% of the country.

Which is why the stimulus will be 99% ineffective…

ha ha

To be fair I don’t have some index that lists the states, but I do know that while Oregon isn’t in the California/Michigan status, it’s only a matter of time.

Rob’s piece is right on. You have to admit that he doesn’t post stuff with the reference material being the tabloids.

Oregon regulates everything to death. Everything. Lift the regulations and let people in to do what they do. It wouldn’t hurt to drop a tax or two as well.

I don’t know if you live in Portland, but you have to admit that city overdoes it with the regulations and taxes.

Anyway, I’m babbling, the article is spot on. Yes, jobs were created, but they weren’t lasting jobs.

Rob, that could explain why Oregon at 12% has the third worst unemployment in the country, and that high unemployment includes the Portland metropolitan area for deniers like Dino.

That place is a tombstone for the failure of socialized economics.

Let me reiterate the success of Portland.

Read the articles I mentioned. See if your pathetic locales can compete with how Portland ranks on almost any measure.

Good Luck! LOL

The only lists I see Alabama at the top of is poverty, obesity and ratio of federal funds received vs paid.

Address the facts. If I wasn’t mobile I could bury you people in articles and references that heap accolades on Portland and Seattle.

Dino,
Now that we know where you live, can Greg from Alabama, Goon, and myself come out and visit? You could take us to Vodoo Donuts and a Blazer game. No Stark Street mind you.

I don’t deny it’s a cool city. I used to live in Beaverton, Portland, and Sellwood. I really like Portland, but the governement there and around the state is killing it.

I would have to read that article because I don’t know if they mean green jobs, Intel, or what. The fact of the matter is that many people can’t get those jobs. They don’t want to pay triple in rent what they pay now to live there. Someone who is 45 and works in the Timber Industry can’t all of a sudden got get a green job analzying computer microchips and the high cost of living and ratrace doesn’t appeal to them.

Portland and Eugene are the reason the timber industry is dying. That was the thing that kept Oregon alive for years. It would be like taking the oil and coal out of North Dakota.

Kill the regulations, lower taxes and watch the jobs come. It will benefit the whole state.

The conservative south with it’s conservatism and deregulatory bent is by far the worst region in the country by any measure of societal wealth or health.

Some facts:

Portland ranked 26th out of 200 cities in Forbes’ latest ranking of “Best Places for Business and Careers” dated 3/25/09. Eugene ranked 21st. For completeness since we’re neighbors, Seattle ranked 17th.

American City Business Journals ranked Portland 11th best city to create and develop a small business.

Those ranking hardly support your contentions.

Portland is a MAGNET for young, talented, creative people. They’re attracted by the beauty, lifestyle and LIBERALISM. Things are tough for them right now but they’re staying even if it means living smaller until we get past this awful recession caused by the 30 years of misguided conservatism that reached every corner of this country.

Portland is the envy of most other cities for its progressiveness and vision. That’s why I moved here.

You can keep making your bogus claims but I offered you two (2) excellent references, recent ones, that tout the economic vitality of Portland AND Eugene. All you can come back with is empty rhetoric that looks backwards.

Timber is still very healthy here. So are the other “traditional” industries. We’ve done an excellent job diversifing our economy.

Just so you know, Stark isn’t the gay mecca it once was. Most gay establishments have moved as the area gentrified into cool hotels, shops and restaurants. Portland’s liberalism and European attitude has made us “post-gay ghetto” in that the acceptance is so high there no longer needs to be a clustering in order to feel safe. We homos live everywhere and the whole gay thing pretty much an afterthought. As an older man I lament the loss of the community cohesion of the old days but I’m sure to adjust to progress like all good liberals do.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have another Harvey Milk on our hands…

Carrick,

Let’s get a Sayanythingblog field trip set up. We’ll all go out and kick it with Dino. Maybe he can help us get some of these killer jobs Portland is offering.

Yes Huntsville. Recipient of BILLIONS in federal dollars thanks to influential past senators who got the rocket program put there.

Portland’s success isn’t based on welfare like Huntsville’s. One would think a conservative like you would appreciate that fact.

Keep trying to diss on Portland. You aren’t really going to tell me the Bolsheviks at FORBES (!!) are in the tank for Portland, are you? LOL

This isn’t Utopia but it’s about as good as a city can get in a largely cesspool of a country.

Carrick I wouldn’t bother with that sockpuppet, he has the reasoning skills of a 5 year old.

Portland ranked 26th out of 200 cities in Forbes’ latest ranking of “Best Places for Business and Careers” dated 3/25/09. Eugene ranked 21st. For completeness since we’re neighbors, Seattle ranked 17th.

Oh goody your liberal Eutopia is ranked in the top 30.

…BILLIONS in federal dollars…

Billions of taxpayer dollars, reduced by greedy govt administrative costs, finally being returned whence they came.

You’re right. Portland and Oregon are nearing collapse. People are leaving in droves. You can’t even find a U-Haul!

Stay right where you are, please! We had a big weekend with a brewfest and you could hardly move around the city with all the activity.

You aren’t seroiusly going to defend your economy because of the Brewfest? Every city has something like that. If everyone was making one dollar an hour the brewfest would still be packed.

That’s cool. Tualatin has some good mom and pop places to eat. Chicken fried steak, etc.
That’s a great time to come out to Oregon actually.
You’ll be close to Dino so you better watch out, you never know where he might have his tire iron.

You should get out to North Dakota sometime. Awesome hockey.

I hear Mt. Hood has some nice places to stay.

Mt Hood is breath taking and an awesome place to ski, bad thing with Oregon is like minded turds/sock puppets like DINO. There are a lot of them.

You’re right. Portland and Oregon are nearing collapse. People are leaving in droves. You can’t even find a U-Haul!

They are run by Liberals so that is possible.

I agree Goon.

Not only is he very sophomoric in his reasoning, he’s essentially uneducated.

I mean seriously… according to Dino the Redstone project was a) mandated by congress and b) is the main reason for Huntsville’s current economic success?

What a dip shit.

Yeah I agree.

Huntsville continues to receive an enormous stream of federal welfare otherwise Alabama would look like a failed third world country.

My point about the brewfest wasn’t the event itself but the vitality of this amazing city.

I love how when you people get backed into your many corners after I prove you wrong, you simply revert to circle-jerking each other over how I “don’t know what I’m talking about.” This despite the fact that I provided references to legit sources.

There are no cities aspiring to be Huntsville, a place dependent on a steady stream of other peoples’ money.

There are many places aspiring to be Portland, one of this country’s magnets for youth, creativity and innovation. That’s due to the LIBERAL nature of the people and the culture.

Tualatin is NOT Portland.

Tualatin is where we keep many of our republicans. It’s got the look and feel you people seek: bland, boring, shallow, materialistic, corporatized, strip mall-infested. You could close your eyes, be transported to a thousand other bland, conservative shitholes in this cesspool country and not know you left. They all look alike. Chain restaurants, Stepford wives and repressed, seething desperation as far as the eye can see.

Sad. But, like cockroaches, conservatives are everywhere.

Little dino conveniently ignores the fact that national defense spending is one of the few legitimate reasons for the govt to spend our money. National defense is not “welfare”.

Tualatin is NOT Portland.

Tualatin is where we keep many of our republicans. It’s got the look and feel you people seek: bland, boring, shallow, materialistic, corporatized, strip mall-infested. You could close your eyes, be transported to a thousand other bland, conservative shitholes in this cesspool country and not know you left. They all look alike. Chain restaurants, Stepford wives and repressed, seething desperation as far as the eye can see.

Sad. But, like cockroaches, conservatives are everywhere.

More proff Little dino is nothing more than a sock puppet mouth piece.

sorry for the double post the first one shouldn’t have happened.

The assertion was made that Portland was a bad place to do business.

I provided sources that say the assertion was wrong. What I didn’t say is that Portland is the only place like that.

Someone says Huntsville is better. I point out the comparison is to a place supported with a steady stream, an enormous stream of federal funds.

The stem that claims to be ignoring me reverts to his standard “oh shut up, you’re wrong” and expands the argument, pretending I claimed Portland was Utopia.

Simply put, I beat you in every conceivable way and you insist on changing the terms out of desperation to be right.

I almost admire that about you people. No matter how defeated you are you plug away, giving some excuse that makes it so that you appear to have won.

Sort of like saying republicans lost the election due to ACORN as a way of avoiding the fact that it was a failure of conservatism to govern.

Tualatin is NOT Portland.

Tualatin is where we keep many of our republicans. It’s got the look and feel you people seek: bland, boring, shallow, materialistic, corporatized, strip mall-infested. You could close your eyes, be transported to a thousand other bland, conservative shitholes in this cesspool country and not know you left. They all look alike. Chain restaurants, Stepford wives and repressed, seething desperation as far as the eye can see.

Sad. But, like cockroaches, conservatives are everywhere.

More proof Little “dino” is nothing more than a sock puppet mouth piece.

Tualatin is NOT Portland.

Yes, I know, that’s why I said Tualatin and not Portland!

As to the rest of your rant, go see a doctor! You do know I wasn’t talking to you, right? I know that doesn’t stop you but do try to keep it in mind.

I’m sure dino gives lots of jobs in Portland.

Oh, we never got to livability. On that measure Huntsville or anywhere in AL isn’t even on the same scale as Portland. I’m sure Huntsville is a lovely place to live, and why shouldn’t it be? It’s received probably TRILLIONS over the years from the federal government. The streets should be paved with GOLD.

A good conservative would call that “welfare”, that the government shouldn’t be taking my hard-earned money and giving it to people somewhere else to build rockets. Why, the “free market” Should determine where rockets get made and who gets to make them, not some AL Senator who threatens to hold up the Civil Rights Act if he doesn’t get him a nice rock-et fac-tor-ee.

My point was in telling RJRS or whoever that Portland is far from a business unfriendly place of desperate poverty and ruin. We’re surviving the Republican Depression as well as anyone and we’re doing it without the largesse of NASA’s billions and without abandoning our core liberal principles.

I proved my point with solid sources.

Dino:

The assertion was made that Portland was a bad place to do business.

Nobody said that. It’s a mediocre place for business, and no worse. You were trying to insinuate it’s some kind of “Mecca” for jobs and young people:

Portland is a MAGNET for young, talented, creative people. They’re attracted by the beauty, lifestyle and LIBERALISM. Things are tough for them right now but they’re staying even if it means living smaller until we get past this awful recession caused by the 30 years of misguided conservatism that reached every corner of this country.

That simply doesn’t seem to be the case.

Someone says Huntsville is better. I point out the comparison is to a place supported with a steady stream, an enormous stream of federal funds.

What “enormous stream of federal funds” are you talking about Dino? You are simply making this up after having been proven yet again to be a clueless idiot.

And everybody here knows that you have been totally beaten and proven wrong, so continue to act the churlish fool. It’s what you do.

Simply put, I beat you in every conceivable way and you insist on changing the terms out of desperation to be right.

Translation: Having gotten your ass handed to you, you are now being a whiny little bitch. Nice job though of accusing me of changing the terms of the debate, given that is all you have been trying to do.

Did Uncle Joe teach you that too?

While you’re at it, perhaps you can show me once example where you have proven me wrong about anything? Maybe how my BLS numbers are “empty rhetoric”? How about starting there, hey Dino?

Somedays, I’d swear that there are people (e.g., Dino) who need help remembering when to breath.

The stem that claims to be ignoring me reverts to his standard “oh shut up, you’re wrong” and expands the argument, pretending I claimed Portland was Utopia.

1) I don’t pretend to ignore you Dino, as a rule I DO ignore you. I use a Firefox add-on that makes ignoring your pointless ignorance easy. And if you think I’m stupid, I’ll match my brain against your pathetic cesspool anytime, anyplace anyway.

You are intellectually lazy, untrained in debate and unwilling to think, and unworthy to wear the title “liberal”. Stop using it please, you are irreparably soiling it.

2) WTF is with the “shut up, you’re wrong”??? You’re wrong, I have proven it, and you can now be a man (if that is even possible for you) and you can admit it. Where though did I tell you to shut up?

3) I never said that you said it was a Utopia, though you seemed to suggest Forbes thought so. You certainly tried to argue that it was a top city, I simply pointed out that economically it is a mediocre place to live and not (and I quote from DINO) ”

That was a tremendously redundant come-back by the way Dino.

Do you always think this sloppily?

You brought up the BLS.

The assertion was made that Portland was a business-unfriendly place. I showed that it was not. I don’t believe I said it was a powerhouse of industry and a world center of capitalism.

That said, it IS a mecca for young, creative, entrepreneurial people. And it IS a leader in progessive, sustainable industries.

As for your attempted insult-tirade: you’re just pissed that I pinned you down on Fannie & Freddie months ago so you pretended to hide behind Potato’s blocking bullshit.

What kind of men are so weak that they hide from blog comments they can’t process?

Over the years I wouldn’t be surprised if it hasn’t been trillions.

The federal government’s history of feeding money to Huntsville goes back to the 50s. Before that it was only known for watercress, cotton and poverty.

But you go ahead and think it was all the local brilliance that brought all that federal money. So much in fact that AL gets WAY more in federal money than they pay.

We should have let the south leave in the 1860s. Seriously.

Dino:

Over the years I wouldn’t be surprised if it hasn’t been trillions.

Fuck you are lame.

The assertion was made that Portland was business unfriendly. Forbes’ ranking says it is not. Now you want to question the merits of Forbes. Then you want to argue BLS data which do not rate places for business friendliness.

I also posted the Business Journals determinations.

You were wrong about F&F so many times, I so destroyed your arguments with data and proof that you first tried mock outrage to get me banned and then resorted to hiding behind software.

You should probably work more and drink less.

The federal government’s history of feeding money to Huntsville goes back to the 50s. Before that it was only known for watercress, cotton and poverty.

And now its known as Rocket City, USA. When you see the THAAD get deployed thank Huntsville. When you see the SM-3 fired from a Navy ship thank Huntsville. When you see the Delta IV send a satellite into space thank Decatur. Actually if you look on a map of Alabama you will see why they built the Delta IV plant. See that big blue line, its the Tennessee River. You see, rockets are big. So big you can’t move them by road. What you have to have is a place that is secure from Hurricanes but with a way to get the rocket to the launch pad.

So you build it at the Decatur plant and sail it the launch pad. Coincidentally the engineering assets are right there in Huntsville so if there is a problem they can go out to the plant and fix it.

The original arsenal combined two adjoining arsenals into one post in 1941 to make conventional ammunition and toxic chemicals during World War II. First designated the home of Army missiles in 1948, Redstone dropped from a peak WW II employment of more than 19,000 to a little used post of a few hundred workers. Because of the large available space, empty buildings, and ease of access to rail, highway, and water traffic, the Army chose Redstone as the place to consolidate its newly formed rocket program. During the 1950s, the Army missile team at Redstone pioneered many of the nation’s first achievements in space exploration. Redstone Arsenal earned a reputation for excellence in the areas of developing and supporting technology advancements in weaponry and in providing an outstanding work environment. In 1993, the Army chose Redstone Arsenal as the top medium sized post in the United States. It has been a finalist for five years in the annual competition to select the Army Community of Excellence.

Strangely, the Tennessee River is also why the Arsenal was chosen way back in 1948 as you can see above. There’s was no skullduggery, just a choice to use the base first built in 1941, you know during the war, because of its ease of transport via waterway. They stayed because the people of Alabama are good workers. We do our part to support the program with schools like the University of Alabama, Huntsville. A fine school with a top notch Electrical Engineering program and the Aerophysics Research Center. (Where all those rubes from the third world learn rocket science.) Every major rocket or missile system has been developed at Redstone. We also produce the heavy lifting rockets for commercial use to launch communication satellites. (Which kinda throws a kink in your “Huntsville only lives off the Federal Government” rant, but you’ve never let facts get in your way before.

Huntsville also produces commercial communications satellites and products for satellites like the Thin Film FRESNEL Solar Energy Reflector. Keep on spouting your bull though Dino. I can go on all day about my beautiful state.

Carrick,

I hear you. He is completely predictable and extremely repetitive. I just like hearing his screed and watching him twist in the wind after you pull the stool out from under his feet. You whacked him around like a pinata. Good work.

The F-15 are being grounded because of metal fatigue. — Greg AL

Boo hoo. Why not use the money to fix some bridges (or health care) instead? That would save many more lives.

(And don’t forget that there’s still the F-35 program as well, F-22 aint needed. F-35′s only about half the cost. But even that is overkill.)

Dino, you ever see the Top Gear (British motoring show) episode where they go to Alabama? They get chased by rednecks after only about 10 minutes in the state! Classic.

It’s not like Dino has never been proved wrong by his own sources. He used to post a litany of stuff about “conservative causes of the economic meltdown”, until, surprise surprise, it pinointed liberals as the cause.

Then he acted like a child when HIS sources proved him wrong.

Gents, I know this thread is all about so-called Stimulus Jobs, but there was some discussion about the F-22 being simple pork.

Let me tell you something, it is expensive, but loss on the battlefield is even more expensive.

I am reprinting something which I have posted on a parallel thread because it addresses the BS leveled at the F-22.

To those of us without TS/SCI clearances and the need to know, there has never been a shooting match between 4th and 5th Generation fighters.

The F-14, F-15, F-16 and F/A-18, along with your MiG-29 are all 4th Generation fighters. The MiG-29, being a good aircraft in its’ own right, is still no match, one-on-one with our F-15s. Remember how the US was ordered over Yugoslavia by that Traitor Clinton? Our F-15′s, for one reason or another, made short work of the MiG-29s. This could be attributable to inexperienced Serb pilots using old Soviet remote-control tactics, versus experienced American Eagle drivers. Or it could reflect a genuine technological advantage or even a combination of the above.

The problem lies with the glaring fact that the Russians have been fielding 5th Generation Fighters. We still have, by and large, 4th Generation Fighters. When the two technologies clash, it will result in a slaughter of American men and machines. That’s how things have always worked in air combat:

Fokker Eindekker, equipped with the revolutionary interrupter gear, allowing machine guns to be fired through the propeller arc without shooting off their own propellers, feasted on — > the English Be2 Quirk.

The French Nieuport 11, now equipped with the same technology from a downed German Eindekker, but with increased speed, power and mobility, feasted on the Eindekkers.

The German Fokker DII Albatros, a newer, faster and more robust fighter, feasted on the Nieuports.

The English rolled out their Sopwith Camel and the French the SPAD, who could now meet and defeat the early Albatrosses.

The Germans roll out the Fokker D-VII, acknowledged as the best fighter of the War, but the War ended without aviation being a decisive factor.

WWII changed all that.

Messerschmitts initially ruled the skies over Europe and could easily best the American export Tomahawks, French, Polish, Czech and Russian fighters, until it met up with the Supermarine Spitfire, which had superior dogfighting capabilities.

The Americans, after a long and bloody interim, rolled out a series of new fighters, the P-38, the P-47 and notably, the P-51 that wrested the skies from the aging German Me-109′s and FW-190′s.

The Germans rolled out, too late in the war, a series of magnificent jet and rocket-powered aircraft, like the Me-262 and Me-163, some of which became the sire of both the first generation of American and Soviet fighters.

The MiG-15 and F-86 Saber
First Generation Fighter Aircraft

A key decisive factor in air combat was instantaneous rate of turn, (analogy “knife fight in a telephone booth“) was more important than sustained turn rate.

It is this key and decisive factor which is dividing 4th and 5th Generation fighters.

Unless we have the F-22, we don’t have it.

The Russians already do.

Air combat in every theater of operations has taught us that when one side has such a decisive technological advantage, the side which doesn’t gets slaughtered.

Here’s a good explanation of what comprises each Generation of jet fighter aircraft, in case anyone is interested.

ANY fighter plane looks and sounds ballsy in a parade fly-by.

Air combat, however, quickly sorts out the living from the dead.

The F-22 is the only game in town insofar as 5th Generation High Maneuverability Aircraft are concerned. Obama, with McCain and a Congress-load of Communist traitors, have killed it.

Unless this gets quickly remedied, bad things are going to happen to Americans when we clash with the Su-37 Berkut and other Russian fighters capable of Pugachev’s Cobra maneuver.

Or take his ignorant arguments about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which we all know are transparently flawed, that he continues to to spam and then whine about when we don’t pay attention to them.

He did it with them too. When he posted a litany of sources one day, I clicked the first three, which all said liberal policies were to blame, or that the blame fell on both parties. And those conclusions weren’t buried in the source, but we within the first few paragraphs. When I posted sources from HIS link, he called me a liar.

No use arguing with the stupid.

Move_Zig, the Russian Su-35 and derivatives are typically referred to as gen 4.5 fighters, and sweet FA are in service. But yes it is an impressive piece of kit. What makes you think the USAF is gonna run up against any in the foreseeable future? And the USAF already have 141 F-22s to Russia’s 27 Su-35s. And the USAF+USN has superior AWACS which gives a huge advantage.

Greg: The F-22 may have already been in production but since it isn’t the hardware that’s currently needed then why produce it? It was govt waste.

What does the USAF do? Drops bombs on people. Why not then focus on multi-role fighters? The few jets that the USAF/USN actually have to engage are already fighting at a huge disadvantage due to `force multipliers’ (AWACS and high sortie rates).

There are already 141 F-22s, and the F-35 will be amply capable and can operate effectively in both air-to-air and air-to-surface roles.

If you are predicting WWIII then you might be able to make a case for the F-22, but I’d reply that you just need to get out more.