States Poaching Jobs From Big-Government California

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This is the genius of federalism, which allows states to compete with one another in terms of policy, at work:

There’s nothing new about governors competing to bring jobs to their state, but rarely has it been this brazen. The Wall Street Journal reports that neighboring states, as well as some states as far flung as Georgia and Tennessee, are stationing official “business recruiters” in California to convince businesses to move their operations out of state.

It’s no accident that California is the main target. The Golden State has the nation’s largest economy, but it is also one of the least business-friendly: A recent CNBC study reported that California has the third-highest cost of doing business in America due to its high taxes and endless bureaucratic red tape.

When the states compete with one another in terms of policy, the people win.

Which is another argument for keeping the federal government small, and unobtrusive. It’s one thing to move yourself, or your business, from one state to another. Moving from one country to another is quite another matter entirely.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • WOOF

    This is about bribing companies with loans, tax credits, land, roads.
    This screws the existing companies in state with unfair competition
    and takes money from local gov’t services.

    • Ralph

      Unfair? Hardly. California is screwing itself. Have a glimpse at the state bureaucracy ….

      http://patriotpost.us/pages/256

      • WOOF

        Bribes wouldn’t be necessary if California , the eighth largest economy in the world , were such a terrible business environment.
        The Ga donut maker is not gonna be happy that his state loans money to a California company to open shop , then rebates sales tax to the new neighbor.
        That’s what happens.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          woof, you act like this has never happened before. States have been doing this for decades. No state has a right to
          “lock in” their local business partners. What is it about freedom of choice that you leftist trolls hate so much? This isn’t the USSR yet comrad

          • WOOF

            When states and corporations get together it’s not called freedom of choice.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Woof, I love you.

            Seriously. Your comments here are the best argument for conservatism that could possibly be made.

            Don’t ever go away.

          • WOOF

            When states and corporations get together it’s called….Seven letters across

            F_ sc _ _ m photo clue below.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Funny you liberals don’t think that sort of thing is fascism when it’s Obama dumping money on Big Green.

            I suppose that’s different, right?

            I don’t like government economic development. You’ve been freezing this blog for most of a decade, so you know this. That doesn’t change the reality that California’s big policies are droning people away.

          • mickey_moussaoui

            Like Obama taking our treasury money and lavishly throwing it at a losing cause like GM, Solyndra and dozens of other worthless failed ” “CORPORATION” investments. You are correct in one sense, O is a closet fascist.

      • ellinas1

        https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/apps/lrs/agencies/index.html
        Texas has just as many state agencies.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      Like Clinton’s NAFTA only smaller scale. Ahhhh too bad for you commie, your party sold you out

    • Bat One

      Its called incentives, WOOF. And it works as well for adults as it does for kids.

  • Bat One

    If California wasn’t such a self-induced fiscal Beirut, the companies and the individuals that own them wouldn’t be taking their business and their tax revenues elsewhere. Nor is any of this a surprise. Illinois, which is in nearly as bad a shape as California, is seeing it’s business owners packing up and moving out of state as well. Indiana, Wisconsin, and Iowa are all growing their state economies at the expense of the effectively bankrupt Land of Lincoln.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      And we thank them :)

  • ellinas1

    Let ‘em all go.
    The door is open,
    The wages, regulations, etc, etc.are lower at the other states, the bribes to move are plentiful.

    At some point the “business friendly” states will not be able to sustain the additional influx, due to lack of workers, aging and insufficient infrastructure,and everything that comes along with growing pains, because these business will not be contributing much to the local economies other than low paying jobs.
    Then California will start looking good again because…..almost anything everything shipped by container across the pacific, to and from the Asian Markets, including but not limited to China and India must come through sunny California.

    California is a business incubator, and our weather is superior to that of Texas.
    In conclusion, Let ‘em go. Good riddance. Shoo! Shoo! Move away, and stay away.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Hahaha…

      Yes, ellinas, you keep believing that. One day these other states will collapse under the weight of all this new prosperity ,moving in.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        I guess the pedo doesn’t think workers also cross state lines….what a chump

        • ellinas1

          I guess you think I care if workers move from California to some low paying job elsewhere.
          North Dakota, chump, has a plethora of jobs. Why is it that those jobs go unfilled?
          Why is it that a certain company has to fly in workers from another state?
          Huh, chump?
          Happy New Year Mr. Mickey.

          • Spartacus

            You shouldn’t care if they leave. It only means the state will take more of your money to pay its bills and cover other peoples penchants, all those that leave win.

          • ellinas1

            It is my opinion, and only opinion, that those losing their jobs due to the relocating companies will follow said companies to the perceived greener pastures, or not. If they don’t maybe the unemployed will go to where the jobs are.
            The flim flam, the junkies, the mentally ill, and those that depend on our welfare system generation after generation will stay with us because, they don’t have the means to leave, and more importantly they know they will freeze to death at the north-eastern states.

            If there are additional taxes to be paid, so be it.

          • Neiman

            Isn’t our unemployment rate over 10%

            Haven’t many companies left California because of excessive taxes and regulations, especially environmental regulations?

            Haven’t because of these conditions didn’t 100k more people leave California last year than came in?

            Isn’t the Governor going to redistribute taxes/resources where he thinks is best and not the legislature?

          • ellinas1

            Have you seen anyone, or have personal knowledge of anyone leaving the state?
            Have you seen a company, or have personal knowledge of a company leaving the state?
            Please tell me which environmental regulations are excessive.
            If the legislature is not doing it’s job, more power to the governor.
            That is leadership.

          • Neiman

            You really have a thing for dictators don’t you, I mean if they are liberal? I guess a Chavez for America would not cause you any concern?

            I don’t have names, just statistics. http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/03/companies-leaving-california-in-record.html

            You are playing games, you know California has among the toughest, business back breaking environmental laws in the nation.

          • ellinas1

            Mr. Neiman sir.
            I don’t have “a thing for dictators”.
            I lived through a dictatorship, and…let me tell you: They ain’t nothing nice.
            Furthermore, sir, this Vranich guy that compiles the statistics, is in the business of helping companies relocate, Not exactly an unbiased source or researcher. He, by putting out research like this, gets free advertising for his firm. I do believe that business are leaving California. But the reasons IMHO are not that California is out to destroy anyone through regulation. It is rather that other states are paying out big bucks to attract those business, and are promising lower employment costs,through wages that are lower than California’s and are waving state and local taxes for those companies, and they offer subsidized electricity and natural gas. These costs are passed on to existing business and or the taxpayer.
            For all the above reasons I say, good riddance to those companies. and the jobs they offer.

            If Texans wish to work for minimum wage, I see no problem.

          • Neiman

            The reason I asked about dictators is that it appears your support people like Obama going around Congress and ruling by executive order and now Brown sidestepping the Legislature in a dictatorial fashion. While I can understand the frustration of dealing with a feckless Congress and Legislature, I do not think the trend to by-pass them is good for democracy.

            While I agree with many things you said, I think you forgot how our state employees compensation packages, especially correctional officers retirement plans and other such contracts are breaking our financial back. I think you forget that when our unemployment rate is so high and so many jobs cutting back hours to avoid the higher health care costs, it is foolhardy to drive businesses out of state.

          • ellinas1

            Please explain “especially correctional officers retirement plans”.
            Also reexamine your views of state employees compensation packages, as you have to pay top dollar to attract top talent.

          • Neiman

            I cannot remember all the data and a little research will do wonders, but go here for a start: http://www.frominside.com/exorbitant.htm

            The truth is with our large prison populations and the power of the Correctional Officers Union, it is bankrupting California. While deserving of decent pay and compensation for all the good work they do for us, over the years it has gotten out of control and they own this state. We could contract it out for much less and do a better job

            When state employees are paid far higher than their private sector counterparts, as are federal employees, with obscene retirement packages, it is no longer about attracting top talent, it is the best jobs available, where you don’t really have to work at all, paid for by hard working taxpayers, Why should person A doing a job in the private sector, working their butts off make ____________ and he/she then by taxes pay person B working at the same type job in the government much, much, more money? Does that seem fair to you? I thought it was public service, not a way to get rich off taxpayers. We have a prison doctor making over a million tax dollars every year.

          • ellinas1

            From your link and a little bit of research, I was able to ascertain the following:
            David Scott Harrison, the author of that opinion is a convicted murderer doing time in one of our lovely prisons.
            He has much animosity toward his guards, and the legal system.
            You did not expect him to write glowing opinions of praise for our state employees, did you?

          • Neiman

            I gave you several links, but we know they are all wrong because they are not liberal enough.

          • ellinas1

            I will not accept the word of a convict as fact concerning compensation of our prison guards

            The convict that wrote at this link http://www.frominside.com/exorbitant.htm is neither liberal nor conservative. Nor has he repented for his crimes.
            He has an agenda. He is out to tarnish the image of our law enforcement.

          • ellinas1

            Median total compensation packages (salary and benefits) for state correctional officers.

            Texas: $58,456
            California: $61,953
            Not much difference, is there?

          • Neiman

            I don’t have time to look it up or argue, but you can get statistics anywhere.

            New data released by the Department of Personnel Administration shows that California’s state correctional officers make 38 percent more than their highest-paid counterparts in a survey of 10 states and the federal government.

            DPA’s numbers are more focused than those in the latest national correctional officers pay report by the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. California correctional officers make about twice the national average when all 50 states are factored in, according to the BLS.

            Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/the_state_worker/2008/10/how-californias-correctional-o.html#storylink=cpy

            Salaries only:

            According to a study conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, correctional officers earned a nationwide salary
            of approximately $42,610 in 2009. California’s officers fared
            significantly better than their correctional colleagues across the
            country, earning a median average salary of $67,060 per year, a
            difference of $24,450 per year.

            Read more: The Average Salary of Correctional Officers in California | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_7749336_average-salary-correctional-officers-california.html#ixzz2H8KzNlJl

            Correctional officers in California are paid $78,232 per year on
            average. The national average is $50,758 per year adjusted for cost of
            living. This is a large discrepancy between California salaries and a
            fair market wage. With 36,000 correctional officers, an appropriate
            adjustment of salaries could save nearly a billion dollars, even before
            considering benefits (which are more generous in California). Everyone wants fair pay for correctional officers, the question is should we be paying far more than everywhere else, particularly when the state is facing financial problems?

            The California Correctional Peace Officers Association is exceptionally powerful. It gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in contributions to elected officials during the 2010 election cycle alone and far more relating to specific prison policies over the last few decades.

            http://cacs.org/post/2095

            These are not even compensation packages, just salaries. As I said, I do not have the time, but their days of vacation, sick days, amount of pay at retirement, health care and other benefits far, far outweigh the private sector and most other states.

            I know as a liberal you will want to argue this, I am not interested. I am telling you the facts are that when taken together, we taxpayers simply cannot afford these guys, after all many of them make extra money selling drugs in prison as well,

          • ellinas1

            Mr, Neiman. I am not arguing this as a liberal.
            The salary comparisons you have posted are deceptive, and this is not your fault, nor are you trying to deceive me,
            The salaries presented are the median nationwide salaries of correctional officers with one glaring exception: that of California. The salary quoted for the California prison guard is the top scale salary. Not a fair comparison.
            California prison guards live no more than seven years after retirement, due to the extremely stressful environment prevalent in the prisons. The turn over rate is horrendous. The state cannot find people to go work at prisons such as the ones at Blythe, Corcoran, Pelican Bay, and San Quentin.

          • Neiman

            Then they should contract the work to private companies, what I care about right now is the California economy which is tanking, we have not even heard a real estimate of our horrendous debt in at least the tens of billions and we have to stop spending money, we have to cut back and make our ends meet or declare bankruptcy, which will cause these guards to lose a lot/most of their renegotiated compensation packages.

            Our unemployment is much higher that the national average, we are no matter what anyone says to the contrary driving business out of California and with them precious jobs. We cannot survive with the status quo, The state must cut spending, it must or else.

          • ellinas1

            “Then they should contract the work to private companies,…

            No we should not.

            Median total compensation packages (salary and benefits) for state correctional officers.
            Texas: $58,456
            California: $61,953
            Not much difference, is there?

            PS: Texas does contract with private companies to house and care for their convicts. Still, the price tag is almost a high as that of California’s.

          • ellinas1

            “after all many of them make extra money selling drugs in prison as well,…”
            Mr Neiman the above statement is incorrect. “Many” does not describe the few bad apples who do not last long at the prison setting.
            Such a guard will be snitched off in a hot second.
            Furthermore, why would a convict buy drugs from a prison guard when the convict can through the threat of exposure blackmail the guard into providing him with free drugs?

          • Neiman

            Many is subjective!

          • ellinas1

            As it is your opinion, I will accept “many” as a subjective opinion.

          • Spartacus

            Denial, it’s not just a river in Africa.

          • ellinas1

            The Nile is a river in Africa.
            I am not denying that there are business that are relocating.

          • donwalk

            What in the following is not true?

            In 2011, more businesses (254) quit California than the year before (202), which was a high-water mark over 2009 (51). Last year, roughly five businesses left in any given week, one more than left in each week of 2010 when the average was 3.9.
            Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/031312-604210-california-drives-out-more-businesses.htm#ixzz2HG1wbgRD
            In addition:
            Joseph Vranich, an Orange County-based business relocation specialist, offers these top 10 reasons why businesses are departing California:
            #1 – Excessively Adversarial: For eight years in a row, Chief Executive magazine found California to be the worst state for business.
            #2 – Severe Existing Tax Treatment: The Tax Foundation in its 2012 State Business Tax Climate Index lists California at No. 48. CFO Magazine ranked California the worst state for tax treatment, as do many other rankings.
            #3 – Future Tax Increases: Businesses will face higher income and sales taxes. The state has the largest budget deficit of any state. Employer costs will rise in 2013 as payroll taxes increase to bail out the Unemployment Insurance Fund (insolvent by $10 billion) and to cover excessive borrowing from the Disability Insurance Fund.
            #4 – Worst Regulatory Burden: California approved global warming cap-and-trade initiatives with 262 pages of new regulations and fees going into effect in early 2013 even though the state contributes less than 1 percent of the worlds’ green house gases.
            #5 – Unprecedented Energy Costs: California’s commercial electrical rates already average 50 percent higher than in the rest of the country. The new 2013-2018 “green energy” mandates will boost rates by a minimum of another 19 percent in many California
            localities, which will harm companies in every industry.
            #6 – Dreadful Legal Treatment: The Civil Justice Association of California said the state ranks 44th in legal fairness to business.
            #7 – Most Expensive Locations: The Milken Institute found that California businesses pay 23% more than the national average in operating costs.
            #8 – Oppressive Permitting Procedures: Obtaining permits from public agencies is extraordinarily expensive and time consuming because of confusing, extraneous and harsh requirements. Example: It can take 2 years to obtain permits just to build a restaurant in California while in other states it can be as little as
            1-1/2 months.
            #9 – Unfriendly Even to Small Businesses: In 2012, Thumbtack.com
            and the Kauffman Foundation gave California an “F” grade from small businesses for overall business unfriendliness, difficult regulations, tax code, licensing and health and safety. The finding echoes the Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council in Virginia 2011 conclusion that California ranked 49th overall in terms of business friendliness.
            #10 – ‘Composite’ Findings Put California Last: Development Counselors International in a 2011 survey of executives found that ranked California as having the worst business climate of any state based on operating costs, taxes and deficits.
            That reinforced the “Pollina Corporate Top 10 Pro-Business States for 2010” study that placed the state at the bottom based on labor costs, taxes, litigation abuse, crime rates, demographics, school dropout rates and other factors.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        How much is a pedophile Greek worth these days?

        • ellinas1

          A thousand bigoted mickeys.

      • ellinas1

        Hahaha…

        Yes, Mr Port, You forget all the whining you did against the government of your state paying business to relocate to North Dakota.
        You forgot your strong words of condemnation against “rent seeking” companies, and railed against the politicians who championed such giveaways,when the incentives ended and the companies were ready to move out of North Dakota.

        Have you forgotten what you wrote about the city of Mandan and WalMart?

    • mickey_moussaoui

      Stupid pedophile Greek. No wonder your native land is looking like Detroit Michigan these days.

      • ellinas1

        Happy New Year Mr. Mickey.
        Some day, you will either learn civility, of someone will teach you how to be civil

        • Random Passerby

          Won’t be you. You still haven’t made it down to Texas to make me apologize for being White, Hetro and Male.
          So threats and demands of civlity from you are…less than intimidating.

          • ellinas1

            Texas is a very big state,
            You have yet to publish your address and phone number, and have neglected to send me a first class airline ticket, along with proof that you have arranged for accommodations for my week long stay in Texas, as per our original agreement.

          • Random Passerby

            You are delusional.
            Here is the link for you to look at yours and my words
            http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/state-sponsored-racial-denigration-in-minnesota/
            I made no offer for transport or for accommodations. And certainly there was no agreement to them either. Why would I? I made a challenge, you accepted..it is up to YOU to meet the challenge YOU accepted.
            Thinking that someone will subsidize the challenges you accept makes no sense.
            YOU said where and when. I told you where and gave you the option of when. Granted I made an assumption that you’d fly in with your schedule and I’d meet you just outside the airport. And I’d expect that you’d post the itenerary here so all can see that you made good on the challenge.
            So, again, I name you coward and an idiot.

          • ellinas1

            You may call me whatever you want from the safety and anonymity provided by this blog.
            Once again, Mr. keyboard warrior, Texas is a big state, and Austin is a Big city.You have yet to publish your address and phone number, and have
            neglected to send me a first class airline ticket, along with proof that
            you have arranged for accommodations for my week long stay in Texas, as
            per our original agreement.

          • Random Passerby

            I guess I need to add illiterate to the list.
            Did you look, using “The internet which anyone can search”, at the link to the prior conversation?
            maybe I need to type slower so you can keep up, but again, no agreements were made for accomodation or travel, you accepted a challenge, it’s up to you to meet it. Besides, first class? who are you kidding?
            As for location, lets meet just outside of the Austin-Bergstron Airport. It’ll save you time. Post your itenerary here nad we shall see what comes of your visit.
            But you are doing this on your own dime idiot. I didn’t neglect anything,

          • two_amber_lamps

            I’d say filth like Ellinasty are more deserving of a Fed-Ex crate… maybe with an upgrade of a few holes punched in it so he can breathe….

            Maybe he could just try the old return himself to sender at the Austin Airport? It’ll work, I know it will… and I’ll bet Ellinasty $10 on it!

          • ellinas1

            Of course I used your link and read the posts.
            What do you take me for? A, as you say, ” White, Hetro (sic) and Male” neocon?

            I am white male, heterosexual liberal with brains, who being secure in his own manhood does not issue challenges for duels. and or prearranged, formal combat between two persons, usually fought to settle a point of disagreement.
            Τρωγλοδύται ( English: Troglodytae) of a bygone era do that.

            You have not an ounce of philoxenia in you.On the contrary you appear to be a xenophobe who is comfortable only when among white hetero males.
            Xenia (Greek: ξενία, xenía) is the Greek word for the concept of hospitality,or generosity and courtesy shown to those who are far from home. It is often translated as “guest-friendship” (or “ritualized friendship”) because the rituals of hospitality created and expressed a reciprocal relationship between guest and host.
            In short you sir, are a barbarian and a troglodyte.

            And yes first class. you are not broke or anything like that, are you?

          • two_amber_lamps

            “who being secure in his own manhood does not issue challenges for duels”

            Apparently secure in your homosexuality too…. remember this line?

            Ellinas: Hey! It’s Robert180. Do you still want to

            felate me?

            10/5/10

            Or remember that time when you were trying to entice Robert180 to come down to that gaybar so you could slip a roofie in his drink and waylay him out in the alleyway? That’s prime stuff right there…. Greekling-ξενία if I ever heard of such….

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!

            So tell us dear bent one… who’da picked up the tab for that hospitality Comrade Butt-Pirate?

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year, harpy.
            Now run along and do one of your cowardly impersonations.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yawn…..

          • Random Passerby

            well I will accept one of those 3 descriptors you apply to yourself. you are certianly liberal. the rest? not proven.

            As for Philoxenia…well if you know so much about me, who am I outside of the net hmm?

            To counter your point on challenges.do you recall what the original challenge was? Molon Labe Means “come and take it”.it does not mean ‘meet me somewhere in a manner convienent to me, the challenged party”. I means YOU come to ME. purchase your own ticket on your dime. Stop trying the liberal tactic of having someone else carry your costs

            As for me being a barbarian? by your standards, certainly. I have arrived at the point where I am more than happy to watch the rest of things burn, just ot see the pretty fire. I arrived there thanks to the undersanding of your liberal policies and the results thereof.

            Finally, as for what I take you for? I take you for nothing beyond the labels I give you. I neither care for you nor do I hate you. Either would mean that I allow you to invest some space and time in my thoughts. Allowing that would imply you have menaing in my life. You do not. You are nobody and nothing to me. Not even worth saying you are beneath me, because that would give you status. You have none with me.

          • ellinas1

            “Molon Labe Means “come and take it…”Yeah, so? I did not ask for your weapons.

            You have anger problems, and you cannot see the irony in what I wrote in our original encounter, and in the way I responded to you this time. Do not read this as me backing down, I am not.
            However I am extending to you an invitation for civility.
            I am not responsible for the ills “you see” in our society…your anger is misdirected, but that is an entirely different story,
            Like you said “well if you know so much about me, who am I outside of the net hmm?”.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Subsidies are the lifeblood of Comrade Greekling Pederast. Unless you intend to facilitate door-to-door service for said child rapist, there’s not a chance in hell it’ll show up uninvited on your doorstep…

            That is unless you have some spare children of less than middle school age in the vicinity… in which case he may be already parked across the street!

            http://legacy-cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/112010/potter-motivator-van.jpg

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year, harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Were you able to find a parking spot ok lil pedophile?

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year, harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps
    • JW -American

      That’s right its shipped THOUGH CA its unloaded, trucked or set on rail and gets the hell out of there before CA can get its fingers into any part of it.

      The CA Dept of Labor held a meeting in Reno a couple years ago, to meet with out-migrated company owners in an attempt to understand the problem. They expected like 200 CEO’s to show up, the turn out was over 2000! They have no idea how many companies are fleeing the People Republic of CA

      Its more than sunshine and and as a biz incubator, it only teaches new biz how to comply with overburden yokes of Government regulation. Once those start-ups realize the would outside the Golden state they move like the Sooners of Oklahoma across the great country to states that offer them the freedom to see their companies flourish and grow.

      as for you, stay,stay stay, we don’t need you or anyone that thinks like you to move out-state of CA and cancel the vote of any hard working American in this great land of opportunity.

      • ellinas1

        Shipping is a business. Business need workers to load unload, inspect and direct cargo to it’s final destination.

        • Random Passerby

          And oddly enough the Ports of Houston and New Orleans can move just as much (if not more) than the ports in Oakland and San Diego.
          Having been in that business of Loading, Unloading, inspecting and directing at water ports…Houston has, frankly better facilities for bulk and container cargo than Oakland. The Naval yards in CA are good, but optimized for military needs, not commerical cargo.
          The only downside to Houston and New Orleans is the need to use the Panama Canal..that adds about 5 days transit time. Not so awesome for the shipping companies, but made up in better pierage and dockside support. Add in better transit infrastructure to cross the state and move up into the hearltand….is it any wonder that Houston Port Authority is busier than ever?

          • jw-american

            Then there is the Giant Shipping facility China wants to build in Mexico… say bye buy to another bunch of CA jobs soon.

          • jw-american
          • ellinas1

            January 18, 2007 • From theTrumpet.com

            It has been six years since a blog published the opinion.
            Where is this port, that will threaten California shipping ports, being build? Is there infrastructure to support said Port?
            And more importantly, Will the US allow this to happen?
            http://www.thetrumpet.com/article/3266.1670.0.0/world/globalization/the-danger-in-chinas-mexican-port-grab

          • ellinas1

            Do not forget the ship size limitation of the Panama canal.
            “The size of the locks determines the maximum size of a ship that can
            pass through them. Because of the importance of the canal to
            international trade, many ships are built to the maximum size allowed.
            These are known as Panamax vessels. A Panamax cargo ship typically has a DWT of 65,000–80,000 tonnes, but its actual cargo is restricted to about 52,500 tonnes because of the 41.2 feet (12.6 m) draft restrictions within the canal.”
            Source: The internet which anyone can search.

          • Random Passerby

            indeed as another has ponted out, others are wanting to get in on the water port game, so anything that cannot make it through the Canal can just as easily be docked in Mexico and moved likely for far less than it could be in CA.

          • ellinas1

            January 18, 2007 • From theTrumpet.com

            It has been six years since a blog published the opinion.
            Where is this port, that will threaten California shipping ports, being build? Is there infrastructure to support said Port?
            And more importantly, Will the US allow this to happen?

            http://www.thetrumpet.com/article/3266.1670.0.0/world/globalization/the-danger-in-chinas-mexican-port-grab

    • slackwarerobert

      What infrastructure? Not your power grid it goes out all the time, not your highways, they are parking lots, not your cities, they are bankrupt, not your prisons, they let thugs go free. The only infrastructure you appear to have is illegal coddling, and you can keep it. Heck you can’t even buy a decent car there. The sooner the big one hits and removes the sewer pit the better.

      Even hollywood leaves the state to make movies, that is how bad it is now. When it is cheaper and easier to go half way across the globe than film in the lot next door, you know it is all over.

      • ellinas1

        Our power grid does not go out all the time, the highways and freeways are not parking lots as they are no more congested than those of any major city, only a couple cities are bankrupt, Stockton is bankrupt due to the policies of conservative ex mayor Gary Podesto who was intent in building arenas, convention centers, ice hockey rings, and marinas costing hundreds of millions of dollars which no one is using. He also payed/bribed private restauranteurs with cash, tax wavers and wage subsidies, to open restaurants the local populace could not afford.

        Our prisons are not letting any thugs go free. Our prisons are full and we are using excess capacity of other states to house our thugs.

        California being a labor intensive agricultural state needs workers. The big agribusiness, not willing to pay a decent wage to attract American workers, have convinced lawmakers at the local state and federal level, to look the other way.

        If you don’t want illegal immigrants, stop eating beef, pork, poultry, and any and all labor intensive fruits and vegetables. You are part of the problem by consuming the products I mentioned. As far as the illegal immigrant health care which we are heavily burdened with, I’d be more than happy to allow these “coddled illegals” to go pick your fruits and vegetables, and process your meat and dairy products while they are disease laden. What do you consider a decent car? Which decent car I am unable to buy?

        Hollywood? You really care about Hollywood? Wow!

        In conclusion:
        Let ‘em all go.
        The door is open,
        The wages, regulations, etc, etc.are lower at the other states, and the bribes to move there are plentiful.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Rob is for the government picking winners and losers, as long as it’s not the Federal government involving themselves in the business of capitalism….because to Tea Party cranks the word Federal is a 4 letter word.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      This isn’t the government picking winners and losers, this is private citizens choosing a better place.

      Its freedom at work, but I do know how you guys on the left hate that.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        And how is it do you believe these governments are luring these corporations, with cheese and wine parties?

        You’re an adolescent who doesn’t understand much.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Maybe they’re advertising their less burdensome tax and regulatory environments.

          What a concept, right?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Less burdensome? You mean like Nevada, where there are no income taxes? And please, what you will see is all the low paying polluting jobs leaving, because they can’t afford to be responsible and be in business:

            November for California’s cap-and-trade program for emissions, forcing businesses to start paying for the rights to release more than a certain amount of greenhouse gases. This year, California companies will be held responsible if the warehouses they contract with underpay employees.

            Good riddance.

          • mickey_moussaoui

            greenhouse gas…lol

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            And what in your small mind is tickled by the words Green House Gas?

          • slackwarerobert

            I like how they ban salt water softeners. They have 800+ miles of coastline that gets pounded by SALT water, yet if you use salt to soften water it will get in the ground. You just can’t fix stupid.

          • Stan

            Wow!!! That must have been one hell of a lunch break for you. It lasted from the morning until late at night giving you the opportunity to stay on SAB ALL DAY and EVENING. LOL…you’re a funny little guy.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            12HRS ago was 9:00pm. You can’t get anything right. LOL.

          • Stan

            You must have missed the part “All day and evening”
            Please, continue your “lunch break.”

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Then respond to those. They aren’t there though, are they?

            Why are you wasting your employers time, or are you unemployed?

          • Stan

            Obviously it’s you who’s wasting your employers time, that is if you’re
            actually employed. Or are you a full time commenter on this site? It seems
            you’re full time, here. Or…are you the slacker who’s responsible for all the
            successful cyber attacks on the government computers?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So you are wasting all of your employers time, while I am home sick. You have an outstanding way of showing what a big time slacker you are.

            Hell, even on my time off i’m working and brining in money for my employer, you can’t say the same thing though, can you?

            So you are either an unemployed welfare whore or you are wasting your employers money.

          • Stan

            Or…I’ve finished my day at work and home for dinner. You’re a funny little guy.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            At 4:18pm EST? And how were you responding to all those comments (from last night) all day today, during your time at work? You’re a big time slacker wasting your employers money.

          • Stan

            Key words “last night” I only responded to 1-2 comments today while I was out on the road. Mean while, you’ve been non stop for two days.

            Since I am my employer, I’m not wasting my money.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            LOL, you didn’t respond to any comments I made that weren’t made during the night. This morning you responded to my comments from the night before, wasting your employers money, the tax payer.

          • Stan

            Gee little ms. hannitized….not responding to any comments that weren’t made during the night.
            I’ll have to reprimand myself for wasting the money I pay myself.
            I’ve enjoyed all the chuckles you’ve given me over the last two days. Maybe we’ll do it again next time I get around to this site.
            Enjoy your “lunch break.”

          • Bat One

            “Good Riddance”??? That’s a pretty short sighted view. What you’re not seeing is that California, which is already effectively insolvent, can ill-afford to lose the tax revenues those businesses are taking with them to Texas, Nevada, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Georgia. Nor can California afford to lose the jobs. But then assessing the real cost of democratic socialism is never a consideration for those of you on the Left. What’s important is your good intentions. Let the productive segment of society pay for your adolescent idealism. Right?

          • ellinas1

            You don’t speak for California. You speak for your point of view.
            Good riddance, I say, good riddance and may the proverbial knob hit them in the ass.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Obviously, you missed this:

            Historically, few of California’s job losses have stemmed from relocation. Only 2% of jobs lost in California between 1992 and 2006 went out of state, according to a study by the Public Policy Institute of California. About 9,000 jobs—less than 1% of the state’s 18.5 million jobs—go out of state each year. That number stayed relatively consistent each year regardless of how the economy fared, says study author Jed Kolko, now chief economist at real-estate website Trulia.

            “The claim that California’s business climate is forcing jobs out of the state is not supported by facts,” said Riley Ray Robbins, a spokesman for California’s Governor’s Office of Business and Economic Development, adding that he doesn’t expect recent policy changes to cost the state jobs. “The competition on our radar isn’t Tennessee—it’s Brazil.”

          • slackwarerobert

            But we have power to run our ionizers and clean the air, when the wind blows you get dirty air and no way to scrub it clean.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            If you truly had any smarts and any business sense, you would go back to school and work on your Brazilian Portuguese.

            That would be, muito bom.

            Historically, few of California’s job losses have stemmed from relocation. Only 2% of jobs lost in California between 1992 and 2006 went out of state, according to a study by the Public Policy Institute of California. About 9,000 jobs—less than 1% of the state’s 18.5 million jobs—go out of state each year. That number stayed relatively consistent each year regardless of how the economy fared, says study author Jed Kolko, now chief economist at real-estate website Trulia.

            “The claim that California’s business climate is forcing jobs out of the state is not supported by facts,” said Riley Ray Robbins, a spokesman for California’s Governor’s Office of Business and Economic Development, adding that he doesn’t expect recent policy changes to cost the state jobs. “The competition on our radar isn’t Tennessee—it’s Brazil.”

          • mickey_moussaoui

            so now Handiwipe is taking night classes learning Brazilian Portuguese. Let us know how that works out “seu vagabundo preguiçoso havaiana”

          • slackwarerobert

            Best web page I ever ran across was what to do when caught in bed with girls and women in Brazil, covered age 6-18, and had me falling on the floor laughing.

          • slackwarerobert

            That is because Brazil has a stable reliable energy grid. commifornia can’t keep the lights on, and think the solution to power outages is to add millions of electric cars. So while the republicans ran washington there wasn’t job losses in CA. But what about when the dems took over in 2007? 20 years ago we also propping up saddam insane as well.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          projecting again Handiwipe?

        • JW-USA

          They are luring them with lower corp tax rates, cheaper property taxes, right to work laws and freedom from over regulation from everything from CARB to every other imaginable gov agency CA has created to bloat their state employees union.

          • ellinas1

            They are building facilities for them, paying relocation fees and incentives waving the state and local taxes for them, wave the sewer hook up fees, provide them with free water, and reduced electrical and gas rates. In short they are using the taxes collected from the working to provide for the relocation and labor costs.
            When these incentives expire, the rent seekers are on the move again.
            These leaches profit at the expense of the tax payer.
            So once again: Good riddance.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            The conservatives don’t want to admit they are for government picking winners and losers, just to beg for the business scraps.

          • ellinas1

            Yep. Anytime the Democrats do it, bad.

            When they do it, and when it suits the conservative meme, everything is alright.

          • slackwarerobert

            How is the taxpayer hurt when they pay the taxes they owe? Taxpayer are hurt when government spends more than they have. If GE owes ZERO taxes, that doesn’t hurt you, doesn’t hurt me, probably doesn’t even hurt GE.

          • ellinas1

            When a business, for instance does not pay for the maintenance of the sewer facility and sewer lines that they use, that cost is shifted to you.
            Same with the building and maintenance of the roads, freeways and highways, the fire dept., the police dept, and any and all services they use without paying for the maintenance, and other associated costs, those costs are shifted to you.
            Therefore you get shafted.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        because they believe in government cradle to grave entitlement

      • ellinas1

        Would these companies move absent the financial incentives from the competing states?
        Do not forget yer whining about your own state offering financial incentives to companies relocating there.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    California could do with a good purging of red staters returning back to their home. Business start ups form in California to take advantage of the intellectual minds that reside here. Unfortunately, that drags in a lot of others from other states in pursuit of wealth in California. All this does is increase the property value to a rate which is unrealistic and unsustainable.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I’m beginning to wonder if you’ve ever even had a job.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        I have had several real jobs, you haven’t had any.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          And yet, I manage to provide for myself and my family.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You’re not the only one working, and you live in ND.

            But, irrespective of that, the discussion was about real jobs. When the right wing wakes up from it’s drunken stupor and purges the right wing echo chamber that is poisoning it’s political viability, you will be out of a job.

            That’s not a prediction, that’s the future. Good luck.

          • mickey_moussaoui

            sour grapes from the poseur himself

          • slackwarerobert

            If the dems would stop siding with those rino nuts, we would already be on the way to recovering. The Tea Party is the only sane bunch in washington, sadly they are also easily duped by the entrenched wacko’s on both sides. As long as they act like democrats they will and should loose.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          “had”…Freudian slip
          welcome to Obama’s economy

        • JW

          Hanny’s work history: McDonalds, (cleaned tables and carried out the trash) the car wash drying cars, cart gather’r at Menards, sorted potatoes for an hour, bagged groceries for a week, before going on disability for tired feet.. quite the resume’ Now full time occupant of Moms basement blogging and playing the latest version of Halo till the wee hours of the morning.

          • ellinas1

            And you got this info from where?

          • two_amber_lamps

            The new Halo Game… wow! Hanny’s Mommy must really be rakin’ in the entitlement dollars to afford that little gem!

      • mickey_moussaoui

        What was your first clue Rob? He’s in his late twenties and still lives with his parents. Hawaii is slacker paradise

        • Rick

          Late 20’s…not even close. He’s closer to 50, but has the mentality of an adolescent. But he is a big time slacker.

      • Onslaught1066

        He had one, once, wasn’t any good at it, the guy wanted his $20 back.

        • two_amber_lamps

          10-ring

    • slackwarerobert

      How can they have intellectuals and still be in california? That is not possible.And starting a business doesn’t drive up home costs. Government drives up home costs. You get rid of the idiots in sacramento, and you could build a dozen homes with one giant red wood tree.

  • slackwarerobert

    3rd worst? Who is worse the commifonia? By city you could be under chicago and NYC, but what state is worse then them?

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