Someone Should Tell Joe Biden: More Crime Is Committed With Shot Guns Than “Assault Weapons”

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Vice President Joe Biden has been offering some free gun advice lately, but it’s not very good advice:

“I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,’” Biden said.

“You don’t need an AR-15—it’s harder to aim,” he added, “it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”

Of course, shooting warning shots in the air (especially with a double-barrel shotgun) not only disarms you at a time when you should be ready to defend yourself, but it puts projectiles in the air which will eventually come down somewhere. Maybe on some unwitting bystander a couple of blocks away.

What’s more, firing a warning shots is illegal in Delaware in that it could be considered menacing. Keep in mind, you’re not allowed to use deadly force while defending property, so shooting off your gun when there’s no immediate threat to your person isn’t a good idea tactically or legally.

And, hilariously, even as Biden extols the virtues of shotguns over “assault weapons” like the AR15, Jacob Sullum points out that shotguns are actually used in far more crimes than “assault weapons.”

Contrary to the impression left by such favoritism, there is nothing inherently virtuous about shotguns, such that they can be used only for legitimate purposes and never to hurt or kill innocent people. On the same day that Biden lauded shotguns as the ideal weapons for home defense, a young man used one to murder three people in the Los Angeles area. In fact, shotguns are used in crimes considerably more often than the “assault weapons” that Biden and Feinstein say pose an intolerable threat to public safety. A 2004 study sponsored by the National Institute of Justice estimated that “assault weapons” (mostly pistols) were used in something like 2 percent of gun crimes before they were banned by a federal law that expired that year. By comparison, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey, shotguns were used in 5 percent of gun crimes in 1993, the year before Congress passed the “assault weapon” ban.

But remember, Joe Biden was the guy President Obama assigned to be the sherpa for his gun control agenda. He probably couldn’t have found someone more clueless if he’d tried.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • two_amber_lamps

    Oh you so crazy Uncle Joe!!!

    So does that mean he’ll also advocate that the women he so vehemently supports going into combat shall be issued shotguns instead of assault rifles since they’re so much easier to use?

    • Hellboy

      In addition to shotguns, women may be issued one of these Colorado “”rape zone” devices to be taken into combat.

      • Hellboy

        Whoops…..Blog would not accept pic of “Glock 9mm rape whistle.”

        • two_amber_lamps

          Maybe you should try Glock .40 rape whistle?

          • Guest

            Two_amber_lamps us lucky to have her own natural rape defense, namely being a fat, fugly, b*%tch.

            http://foodfacts.info/blog/uploaded_images/bk-drive-thru-scooter4.jpg

          • two_amber_lamps

            Oh look! It’s Gusty McDoucher here to regale us with stories of it’s rampant stupidity! Glad you could find your way back… so now can you tell us why a 3M employee has to impersonate 5 year old girls on area hockey blogs? Seems a bit unseemly, perhaps you’d like to set the record straight….

      • two_amber_lamps

        That’ll work well in an Islamo-fascist fundamentalist POW camp…. probably like chumming the water.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        How about “rape zone” Government Issue chastity belts with a “cigar clipper” function?

    • banjo kid

      No he probably thinks they will just be making coffee for the guys .

      • two_amber_lamps

        Not exactly a combat MOS… :)

        • banjo kid

          He does not know what MOS is , if my memory serves me right it is military occupation specialty . Mine was 112 which any one knows what that is . LOL! I did use some very heavy weapons. One of them weighed in at 52 tons.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Mine was 13F…. Forward Observer, eyes for the artillery…

        • banjo kid

          The French could have used you in the 60’s as they kept lobbing mortar rounds in to our PX parking lot . I was in Germany at the time and they had no fire direction center , they just fired and watched to see if they could see it explode. Bright as the Sun they were.

          • two_amber_lamps

            ‘Fraid that’s a bit before my time amigo… Enlisted in ’92 :)

  • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

    A couple of working criminals I used to know considered a sawed-off shotgun to be the weapon of choice. It had one big drawback that kept it from being used more widely: You violate federal law just having one in possession (barrel less than 18″). It’s an old law (goes back to 1900), and I am not sure what the rationale was for making such a gun illegal. Perhaps because a sawed-off shotgun is of little use aside from killing someone. The Ruby Ridge federal fiasco involved a sawed-off shotgun violation.

    • banjo kid

      Sawed off made them close combat weapons there by a killing for sure weapon. concealment I am sure was a thought in making them illegal.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Of course, handguns can also be concealed. What was the key criterion? Also, I wonder about The Judge—shoots either .45 cal. or .410 shotgun shells.

        • banjo kid

          I guess that just the damage at that range was a consideration , the judge which my middle son just purchased the stainless one, it is on Finkle stinks list of banned guns . it is over 18 inches long also . It is a very foreboding rifle/ shot gun. killer looks , he got it with the laser sight and that is useless at a range in the day time but at night it works well. He already had the judge pistol, I believe it is a 40 cal. I grew up learning to shoot with a model 12 pump and it was purchased in 1915 .

          • two_amber_lamps

            Viridian make some great green lasers in the 5mW range which are daylight visible. I’ve got two of them and they’re quite nice in the dual light/laser config. Very compact. Pricy but worth it.

        • two_amber_lamps

          It’s a pistol. Anything with a stock that is primarily designed to be fired from the shoulder is considered a rifle/shotgun. If the barrel is shorter than 16″/18″ it requires a stamp and NFA Registration.

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          The Judge (and the Circuit Judge) is banned along with the “assault rifles” in California. I wrote about the idiocy of that here:
          When Idiots Write Gun Control Laws, We Get Idiotic Laws

          http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/2013/01/when-idiots-write-gun-control-laws-we.html

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            To borrow from the old cliché, we actually are in the period of time that will “make the Dark Ages look like dawn.”

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            In California, it has been shown that they will ban any gun they can with only the flimsiest of rationale. With libs, it’s a one way ratchet: Ban what you can today. Ban something else tomorrow. Rinse and repeat.

    • two_amber_lamps

      If I recall the finer points of the law correctly it was actually the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 which limited rifles/shotguns to 18″… Later changed 16″ for rifles. “Creation” or purchase of such weapons requires a $200 Tax Stamp, which at the time was considered an exorbitant amount of money for such a thing.

      From talking to a few friends in the industry/aficionados the 18″ length was chosen due to the difficulty in concealing the weapon under a coat.

      What’s considered a pistol? A Rifle? An AOW? An SBR? Folding stock? Take a pistol and put a stock attachment on it to make it easier to sight and you’d better have a stamp unless you want to go to prison.

      The laws are utterly arbitrary and frankly pointless.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Pointless indeed. I would guess that not much earlier than 1934 most if not all gun regulation was local or state. People were not as superstition-riddled as they are now, contrary to modern conceit. Guns were just another potentially dangerous tool, among many, many other dangerous tools. There is a very interesting short book, written about 50-60 years ago, that I recommend: “The Social History of the Machine Gun.”

  • MetisMick

    This knucklehead is a heartbeat away from real crazy times. I flinch everytime he opens his vile mouth.

    • banjo kid

      one step away from being the leader of the once free world .

      • Thresherman

        I hate to say it, but Obama has pretty much removed the title of leader of the free world from the office of President of the United States.

  • banjo kid

    Shot guns do not hurt you if you shoot them in the air they fall to the ground and if they did hit you it would not penetrate the skin and yes it might smart a tad but no damage . Yes it does disarm you if you waste rounds . The thing with shot guns it always leaves a terrible mess . It also leaves the shooter with nightmares as they see the flesh ripped from a human body . Any fire arm in case of emergency but whistles and call boxes will not work ever . Releasing the contents of your bladder will do nothing to stop a woman from getting raped . a Gun will stop them dead in their tracks though . I just wonder where all the sense has gone ?

    • JoeMN

      The thing with shot guns it always leaves a terrible mess

      ie: one shot provides adequate stopping power, which BTW in self defense situations in the home may be the only chance one has.

      Mills Fleet Farm Shotgun vs AR15

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w0o7YgiTFm4

      • awfulorv

        Believe me, the home invaders, if given the chance, would rather have your gore messing up the floor than theirs, everytime.

    • silverstreak

      Falling birdshot won’t hurt anyone but I use 00 buckshot and slugs for home protection.
      Those could be just as lethal as a falling bullet if fired into the air
      .

      • banjo kid

        I was speaking a normal load not a slug or double ought they are dangerous falling . thank you

  • mickey_moussaoui

    It’s too hard to C&C a double barrel 12 gauge

    • silverstreak

      That’s why I prefer my Winchester semi-auto with the plug removed at close range and in low light.

  • ND in MD

    Like Joe, if a grade school student made a pretend gun with his fingers, they would be sent home and/or off to re-education camp.

  • awfulorv

    Not crazy, “just a little tetched” Joe, Has got it right. When these financial Yahoos finish with our economy, we’ll need a shotgun to hunt Rabbits, Squirrels, Gophers, and well oiled Mud Hens, to survive what’s coming.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

    Joe “Plugs” BIden is such a moronic buffoon. What kind of a half wit Moron suggest that if your being robbed or if you think there is going to be trouble that should go out on your porch and should shoot your shot gun into the air…. Sadly, this clown is the vice president of the United States of American. What if one of the low information voters mistakes his rifle for a shot gun (because we know a lot of morons voted for Obamaand Biden) and shoots that in the air? This isn’t Baghdad or some third world crap whole.

    • JoeMN

      What kind of a half wit Moron suggest that if your being robbed or if
      you think there is going to be trouble that should go out on your porch
      and should shoot your shot gun into the air.
      ____
      A half wit moron who has his own personal security detail with shotguns on his porch

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      The United States of American???? What a moron!

      • Onslaught1066

        Remind us all again just what you think “camp” is short for.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          You meant “The Obama Camp”.

          • Onslaught1066

            No, I said what I meant, you, however have failed (miserably, I might add) to answer the question put to you.

            But, nothing more, or less, was expected of you.

          • Guest

            That hurts coming from Nothought1066, who thinks the mailing location of a Senator’s office is “an opinion piece.”

          • Onslaught1066

            Hi Gusty, how nice of you to meander in here, by mistake, I’m guessing.

            Stumble across any interesting facts lately?

            No?

            Oh well, carry on.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Brahaha…Yeah, he’s not to bright, but he certainly shouldn’t benefit from the tax dollars we set aside for those with special needs.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Oh hai there Gusty ol’ Boy! Hey, been meanin’ to ask you, why do you impersonate 5 year old girls on MN local area hockey blogs? Perhaps you figured a 5 yr old girl might have more respectability than a washed up 3M employee.

            DERP!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So when you get all paranoid and delusional, do you think it makes you look cute? Fascinating.

            You are all hopped up on cough medicine again.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Paranoid? I’m not the one impersonating 5 year old girls on area hockey blogs…

            Nor do I use two dozen sock puppet names on SAB like a certain hannitwit.

            Delusional Paranoids feel the need to use multiple sock puppet names to prop up their stupid posts or hide behind defenseless children.

            Now go lie down before you work yourself into a tizzy…. oops too late!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So you’re locking up paranoid and stupid? Go ahead…own it.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Maybe you should use one of your alter egos now since you’re losing?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Why not just admit you were wrong, instead of doubling down on paranoid and stupid?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Tranny = stupid is > stupid does.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It’s not about what you said if you are taking issue what I said…about The Obama Camp. The word Ice represents Ice in the word Ice Cream, even thought it’s not really ice. In the words The Obama Camp, it’s used professionally to refer only to the campaign. Of the three words up for debate, there is only one of them that represent the Campaign.

            Now get back to your tiddlywinks.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Uh… can’t say I ever asked for ice on a waffle cone nor would I expect the person behind the counter to know wtf I was talking about.

            Silly toilet surfer… just admit you had no idea what you were talking about.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You put the stupid the words in ice cream.

          • Onslaught1066

            Your syntax is getting rather sloppy there, young dope smoker.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Hey guy la’douche, weren’t you just the one pretending “ice” was short for “ice cream”?

            Try to make sense skippy!

          • Onslaught1066

            Actually it’s much more douche’itized than that.
            He said Ice is short for… Ice.

            Let’s see, how does this go… BRAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • two_amber_lamps

            Trannitized…. achieving new uncharted levels of douche-baggery.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Pretending? You don’t think Ice was word in Ice cream?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Last time I checked people churned milk… not water.

            Oh, lemme guess.. hanni sez “you didn’t know milk had water in it?”

            You’re a speshul kinda stoopid hanni-turd!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So in your mind the word ice represents cream? Wow…you just get dumber by the minute.

          • two_amber_lamps

            What in the hell are you babbling about?

            You stepped on another used syringe out on the beach today when you were gathering up tootie rolls, didn’t you?

            DEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRp!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            What does the word “ice” mean to you, in the words Ice cream? Let’s hear it.

          • two_amber_lamps

            I suppose that would depend on the context… now about that “camp…”

            Do continue….

            http://plaxicoagrees.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/pete-puma.png

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            What does it represent….to you? The word ice…..in ice cream.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Irrelevant to the conversation at hand. So how does that whole “camp-campaign” thing go?

            http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp8ri5hfwW1r0gjh3o1_1280.jpg

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No…you said you never order ice on your waffle. Why would you? You said you believed the word ice, in ice cream, stood for cream. So you would have called it, cream cream???

          • two_amber_lamps

            Read closer tiny doucher!

            FAILED AGAIN! BRAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I read it…you tried to say that the word ice represented cream. Therefore, in your “mind” it’s cream cream? What would I expect from a kitten?

          • two_amber_lamps
          • Onslaught1066

            Oh, hannitard, when are you ever going to learn.

            English is not your friend.

          • guest

            That “kitten” has been pissing all over you. You just love the attention, any attention at all, lonely, smallwillie.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Herp, derp! What does this represent to you!? Sorry, the inmates don’t get to psychoanalyze the staff…

            http://us.cdn3.123rf.com/168nwm/kentoh/kentoh1007/kentoh100700108/7287221-rorschach-test-of-an-ink-blot-card.jpg

            Now tell us, what do you see in the photo below?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You’re an inmate with delusions of grandeur. So what does the word Ice, represent to you, in the words Ice Cream?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Now, now Mr. Trannitized… seems you have the therapist/patient roles reversed…. AGAIN.

            Did you miss your thorazine dosage again today?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So you’re still going with “cream cream” since you think the word “ice” stands for cream in the words “ice cream”?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Well, since what you say makes absolutely no sense I’m going to assume “cream cream” is what you see in the earlier Rorschach inkblot. Now if we consult the DSM IV and…. hmmmmm…. ?!! Chrissakes! You sick little monkey!

          • $16179444

            next time in English.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            That’s why when Whistler said “The Obama Camp” had lied it was so stupid. Had he only used the word “camp”, you might have a point.

            But I was referring to the three words, which represent only the campaign.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Obfuscation… like your stupid ice-ice cream comparison.

            Hanny fails again! Who’da thunk?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You don’t order ice on waffles, just like Whistler didn’t say camp. He said The Obama Camp.

          • two_amber_lamps

            You just said ice is short for ice cream…

            Ice is short for Ice in the word Ice Cream, even thought it’s not really ice.

            Your (stupid) words La’douche…

            Bahahahahahahaahaaa!

          • Onslaught1066

            But then, rather than let the whole stupid thing drop off into obscurity, hannitwat here spent the next three years or so trying to prove that “camp” is short for campaign, when everybody except for douche’itized knows that camp is really short for encampment.

            I would just like to take a moment here, if I may, to thank hannitoad for the years of hilarity I have garnered at his expense.

            Bravo, hanniturd, bravo.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Give him the mallet and he shall beat his own skull flat and save you the effort.

            http://plaxicoagrees.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/pete-puma.png

          • two_amber_lamps

            I wonder how many MORE years Tranny-kin shall keep reiterating his idiocy?

          • Onslaught1066

            I sure am glad you’re so easily goaded into extravagant displays of rampant stupidity.

            I sure did miss you while you were off in jail.

            Don’t ever change, hannitwat.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Are you sure it was jail or not “pound-hanny-in-the-@$$ prison?”

            I’m sure he “pushed” for the latter….

          • Onslaught1066

            That would be Cell Block ‘BF’ for those of you in Waikiki.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            But the only thing you accomplish is proving that you can lie, or not understand what you are talking about. If I took issue with the words The Obama Camp….how did you come to the conclusion that the word camp was the topic? Hmmmmm?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Takes a special kind of stupid for Parrot Boy to get something so mind numbingly wrong, and then spend the next five years pretending he got it right.

    • silverstreak

      At times I wonder if the doctor implanted Biden’s hair plugs directly into his brain!

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Why? More spree killings are done by people with semi-auto’s that have multiple magazines. A guy on a spree kill with a shotgun would be taken down as soon as he had to re-load.

    This is just another dumb post by Rob meant to distort the purpose of the new gun control legislation.

    • VocalYokel

      “A guy on a spree kill with a shotgun would be taken down as soon as he had to reload.”
      In he meantime he would have had the opportunity to injure or kill several people.
      If he were to attempt this an area where the citizens were allowed their Second Amendment rights, he may not even get off a shot.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Your argument doesn’t take away from the fact that a shotgun is an ineffective choice for spree killers who do much more damage with semi-autos capable of using a magazine with lots of ammo.

        BTW, there was a conceal and carry guy at the mall shooting. He didn’t shoot the guy with the AR….

        • Onslaught1066

          He also didn’t cause aggravated mayhem, young dope smoker.

          You remember your fear that an armed society would result in a modern day Dodge City, do you not?

          No?

          I guess that’s why they call it dope.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            George Zimmerman.

            BTW, shotguns are for hunting….the legislation isn’t going after hunters.

          • Onslaught1066

            What about George Zimmerman. Young dope smoker?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            George Zimmerman is a modern day do gooder cowboy who forgot it was the 21st century. Shot up an innocent kid once he got as ass kicked.

          • two_amber_lamps

            And wasted your messiah’s son… by bamsters own words.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAPtUfOs7Gs

            Trayvon… a wanna-be criminal thug, the perfect child for a moonbat messiah manchurian candidate.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            What was it that you thought you had said?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Oh but for chance of fate! And poor bamster ended up with two girls…

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            When did you learn how to differentiate the sexes? You’ve been struggling with that for years.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Perhaps the same method you used to prove the sex of your mom, by lifting her tail?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You’re the gal that represents yourself with a cat.

          • two_amber_lamps

            So you admit your mom has a tail?

            What does that make you comrade obamination?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So you have a severe problem with words, you aren’t simply only a stupid person?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Ummm, syntax error Tranny… try again!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Just show me the words I used to admit something.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Now you ARE just babbling… musta been some residual heroin on that syringe you stepped on.

          • Onslaught1066

            A monkeys nephew?

          • Onslaught1066

            By do gooder you imply he do good?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            A “do gooder cowboy” ain’t the same thing as a “do gooder”.

          • Onslaught1066

            I don’t know what language you think you are speaking, but here in the real world words mean things.

            As you stated above O’bammy’s son went all irresponsible and got his ass shot up.

            What, if anything, does that have to do with the conceal/carry guy at the mall?

            By your peculiar brand of illogic, the mere fact that he had a gun should have caused him to suddenly start randomly firing in all directions.

            Now if you would like to continue in your normal course of paranoid psychosis you can claim that that indeed did happen since in your tiny fruit cake mind you decided to tie this guy and a guy who did a masterful job of defending himself together.

            Your time spent in jail doesn’t seem to have done anything to improve your deficient intellect.

            Don’t they have a library in that jail, or at least a GED program to help inmates learn to cope with the outside world?

          • Hal801

            You finally understand and acknowledge Z’s self defense argument. Congratulations!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            His defense he’s a reckless cowboy who shoots up kids after he gets his ass kicked, by a teen?

          • $8194357

            They had bayonets attatched and called “trench guns”
            in WWI know it all…

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Did you forget your meds?

            Huh?

          • $8194357

            Shot guns (trench guns)
            have been used from WWI all the way thru Viet Nam Dumb a$$…..

          • two_amber_lamps

            Guess Tranny-kin dropped that rock like it was hot…

          • $8194357

            Its slip was showing again…

          • silverstreak

            It seems that the wild west really wasn’t all that wild at all.
            Not compared to a Saturday night in Newark.

            http://www.examiner.com/article/dispelling-the-myth-of-the-wild-west
            Imagine that…the per capita murder rate for frontier towns was far less than many modern cities and everyone carried a gun.

          • Onslaught1066

            I know, but don’t say that around any liberals.
            They’ll just flip out and start saying stupid sh*t.

          • silverstreak

            I have really become tired of people that are surrounded by armed security telling me what I need for defense.
            I realize that the number of rounds that I will need in a weapon is not going to be determined by me but by the person(s) that’s bringing the violence to me.
            Neither am I so foolish as to believe that if I run out of ammo,I can simply shout “I’m out” and the perp will stop.

          • two_amber_lamps

            The Very Model of a Modern Liberal Democrat…..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtr_RvR3sY

      • $16179444

        yeah, but don’t think for a moment that Hanni will understand logic.

    • silverstreak

      Then,why did Holmes start out wit a 12 ga pump in the Aorora movie theater?

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/us/aurora-gunmans-lethal-arsenal.html?_r=1&

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        I think you meant to ask why did he abandon it. The answer is self evident.

        • two_amber_lamps

          The only answer that’s self-evident is Tranny-kins is dumb as a post.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So in your mind he conducted a spree killing with only a shotgun? Huh?

            Sweet Lord, you’re an idiot.

          • two_amber_lamps

            My only point is that you’re dumb as a post…

            Thank you, come again!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So you don’t disagree with me that he discontinued the use of a shotgun for a spree killing, for obvious reasons? That makes you dumb, in your mind?

          • two_amber_lamps

            I learned long ago not to enter into logical conversations with low-grade morons… ie. liberal fascists. Therefore I shall merely mock and ridicule you for as long as you care to play!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            But you are only succeeding in making yourself look stupid, while allowing me to walk away with the win. Carry on.

          • two_amber_lamps

            LOSE, LOSE, or LOSE… it’s all the same to you.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You never offer any intelligent debate, only half-witted nonsense for your fellow SAB conservatards that hang around the shitter.

          • two_amber_lamps

            LOSE, LOSE, or LOSE… it’s all the same to you.

          • $16179444

            ‘winning’ on an anonymous msg board …. reach high moron

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Do you spend a lot of your personal time talking to posts?? Ya might not want to admit that in public.

          • guest

            You, being Rob’s pet troll, spend huge amounts of your time seeking attention, any kind of attention here. You’ve proven over and over how badly your life must suck taking in the fact that you’re always here, alone, typing with one hand. Make sure you keep your little hat on, smallwillie, no one wants to see your a$$hole on the top of your head.

          • $16179444

            um, Virginia Tech ring a bell dummy? all done with handguns. 3rd worst school massacre. look, we get it…..you just aren’t very bright.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            VA Tech had an armed security guard, he was shot dead. Did you think you were making a point, dummy?

          • $16179444

            um, the issue has NOTHING to do with an armed security guard ….. the point you were trying to make (and failing miserably at) was that a shotgun was ineffective….

        • silverstreak

          Just like Holmes abandoned the AR15 after it jammed and he probably didn’t want to take the time to clear it..
          The fact still remains that Holmes had a choice of weaponry and decided to start with the shotgun.
          Since his goal was to murder as many people as possible,it seems self evident that Holmes probably started with the weapon that he considered the most lethal until it was used up and moved on down the line.
          After all…Holmes had been planning this for months so I doubt if the choice was a spur of the moment decision but anything is possible with a lunatic.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I think a gun jam is a bit different than a shotgun that’s limited to so many shots before a tiresome re-load process is required. He probably wanted to harm as many as he could closest to him to prevent an attack, before he took out his primary murder weapon that’s usually used in spree killings.

          • $16179444

            ‘I think’ – quite the contrary.

    • tony_o2

      A guy on a spree kill with a shotgun would be taken down as soon as he had to re-load.

      Someone using a shotgun to defend themselves from armed attackers would be taken down as soon as they had to reload.

  • yy4u2

    I’ve never seen a pic of it, but I would guess that Ol’ Joe has a Pez dispenser of benzos on him at all times. Or at least the other kids in the White House wish he did.

  • $8194357

    Biden is a democrat dork…
    A useful idiot to Americas destruction.

    http://www.nragive.com/ringoffreedom/index.html

  • Hellboy

    If Joe lives within a City Limit or in a gated community with CC&Rs and he discharges a firearm, he will most likely be getting a visit from the local police and could be cited for a violation of the Covenants or for discharging a firearm illegally. What a dumbass…

  • $8194357

    Columbine victim asks Barry:
    Who’s side are you on?
    Some of us know the answer to that one, huh.

    Evan Todd, a man who was shot and wounded at Columbine High School in 1999 as Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold conducted one of the most stunning and devastating mass school shootings in the history of America, penned a letter to Barack Obama which called upon him to stand with freedom and with the people and not with thugs and criminals. Todd made logical arguments against gun bans, universal background check and high capacity magazine bans. Ultimately, he asked Obama “Whose side are you on?”

    Read more:
    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/columbine-victim-asks-obama-whose-side-are-you-on/#ixzz2Lg9pBX7m

  • mickey_moussaoui

    (see image)

  • $16179444

    every single liberal idiot should be forced to listen to this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8WLXhahw_A&feature=player_embedded

  • banjo kid

    I heard somewhere Joe is being replaced by someone who deals daily with Red China in hopes he can get all our guns before the fourth. Joe has been slipping a tad off the schedule a bit and by allowing people to own shot guns they are still armed and Joe does not understand that the idea is to take all guns leave none in the hands of patriots . Good ole Joe he does not get it yet does he . “Kinda along for the ride”

  • $8194357

    JUST PASS ANOTHER DANG LAW

    Brilliant. But because so many Washington politicians lack common sense, they won’t understand.

    A person steals guns, (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), shoots and kills his own mother (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), transports these guns loaded (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), brings guns onto school property (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), breaks into the school (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), discharges the weapons within city limits (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), murders 26 people (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), and commits suicide (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW).

    And there are people in this country that somehow think passing ANOTHER LAW
    banning guns would protect us from someone like this. If you haven’t noticed, people like this are not concerned about breaking laws – they only care about fulfilling their own twisted agenda.

    The only people that a gun ban law would impact are the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS,
    which will only serve to cripple our ability to protect ourselves.

  • $8194357

    Gotta hand to anti gun liberal hypocrits…

    State Senator R.C. Soles (D – NC)

    Long time Anti-Gun Advocate State Senator R.C. Soles, 74, shot one of two intruders at his home just outside Tabor City , N.C. about 5 p.m. Sunday, the prosecutor for the politician’s home county said.

    The intruder, Kyle Blackburn, was taken to a South Carolina hospital, but the injuries were not reported to be life-threatening, according to Rex Gore, district attorney for Columbus, Bladen andBrunswick counties..

    The State Bureau of Investigation and Columbus County Sheriff’s Department are investigating the shooting, Gore said. Soles, who was not arrested,declined to discuss the incident Sunday evening.

    “I am not in a position to talk to you,” Soles said by telephone. “I’m right in the middle of an investigation.”

    The Senator, who has made a career of being against gun ownership for the general public, didn’t hesitate to defend himself with his own gun when he believed he was in immediate danger and he was the victim.

    In typical hypocritical liberal fashion, the “Do as i say and not as i do” Anti-Gun Activist Lawmaker picked up his gun and took action in what apparently was a self-defense shooting. Why hypocritical you may ask? It is because his long legislative record shows that the actions that he took to protect his family, his own response to a dangerous life threatening situation, are actions that he feels ordinary citizens should not have if they were faced with an identical situation.

    It has prompted some to ask if the Senator believes his life and personal safety is more valuable than yours or mine.

    But, this is to be expected from those who believe they can run our lives, raise our kids, and protect our families better than we can.

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