Somebody Should Tell Ron Paul That We Have An All Volunteer Military

Rob Port • January 11, 2012

Last night in his post-primary speech, Rep. Ron Paul made these comments about the men and women who go into the military:

They claim it’s a moral responsibility to take our young people, put them into the military, and send them hither and yon around the world, policing the world, and using up the money.

One of the stunts Michael Moore pulled in his movie Fahrenheit 9/11 was to go up to capitol hill in Washington DC and walk around with a clip board, asking members of Congress who supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan if they’d sign their children up to fight.

The problem with this schtick is that no parent in America can sign their children up for the military. Absent the times in this country when we’ve had a draft (a subject for another post entirely), ours is and has been for some time now an all-volunteer military. We do not sign our kids up to serve. They do not get “put” in the military. They are not children or victims. They are men and women who made a choice to serve their country in the military.

Ron Paul and others may not like that choice, they may disagree with the policies our troops implement during the course of their service, but let’s not act like they’re slaves or something forced unwillingly into service.

Tags: Asshats, michael moore, Military, ron paul

http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

You know Paul does look a bit like Cruiser in the movie stripes.
2hotel9

For Luap Nor to understand this would require him to be attached, in some way, to reality. An event that will NEVER occur.
Jamermorrow

We do have a draft called the IRR. Many people were called up during the 2006-2008 time frame. I know quite of few called up during that period. People join the military to defend the country and the constitution. The constitution requires a declaration of war. Unless you have the living document view of the constitution. One man should not have the authority to send troops to war. Congress should have to declare war.

Anonymous

You still enter the IRR via a voluntary process on the front end.
http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

Isn’t the IRR something you sign up for when you volunteer for the military, Jamer?

Jamermorrow

Yes and No. You can do the extended time by being active or you can get out with the fact that you have two years IRR. Very few people are aware of IRR when they sign up. Recruiters fail to mention IRR in most cases. It is still a draft because those people decided to get out of the military for whatever reason. While on IRR you can voluntarily go back into the military or be forced to.

BruthaLuv

Disagree. My son planned to go into the military after high school, just wasn’t sure which branch. Talked to recruiters from each branch (in some cases more than one from a given branch), and every one of them brought up IRR without him asking about it first. He knew going in what he was signing up for, and to suggest that recruiters “fail to mention IRR in most cases” seems a bit strong. What facts do you have to back that claim up?

Jamermorrow

I know many people getting out who failed to realize they had to go on IRR. Maybe they simply forgot. I know me personally it was brought up but they would say things like “it will never happen” or “it is never used”. The worst part about IRR is they send you wherever they want. Most people would rather go back to their old unit and not to a new unit. No way that you can get facts like a study or survey. I just know that many people failed to realize they were on IRR or could get called back while on IRR.
2hotel9

Bullsh*t, fake anarchist. You sign the contract, it is incumbent upon YOU to read and understand it.

Anonymous

Yes. I was a recruiter for the USMC and the obligated service time is 8 years on a standard contract. Usually that entails 4 active 4 irr or in more technical jobs with longer training a 5/3 split. There are some differences between branches but you get the drift.

Robertfrost

But, as you mentioned, it is an 8 year contract. So, people know they are obligated for 8 years when they sign up. This is not forced military service (draft). This is a fine-print issue that people signing up for need to take care of on their own. To compare this to forced military service is incorrect.

2hotel9

And yet more lies and distortions from our resident fake anarchist.

The US military is ALL VOLUNTEER. Period. Full stop. F*ck you.
Anonymous

I agree about the IRR. I could be in the National Guard of ND. After my 6 years of active duty, I will serve my 2 years of inactive duty. IRR allows units outside of my state to use me although I’m signed up under the state of ND. IRR is a dirty process.

Jamermorrow

Agreed, I have never seen the point in wanting people in the armed forces that don’t want to be there. IRR is hardly discussed during the recruiting process.

Hal423

You are still in the military but continually say negative things about it. Do us all a favor and get out ASAP, you are a disgrace.

Jamermorrow

Hal you couldn’t do half the shit I can. What do I say negative about the military. I say negative things about the wars. That is two different things. I have almost four years in a combat zone. Not sure how that is disgraceful?
Hal423

“Hal you couldn’t do half the shit I can.”

How do you know? You don’t know anything about me other than that I once served honorably in the US Military. I don’t give out personal information in any public forum.
2hotel9

We know you are a lie and sh*t spewing c*nt. An America hating c*cksucker, since you keep screeching how much you hate America and Americans. And we know you hate capitalism, money, individual liberty, and all religions, because you have told us so, repeatedly. Or were you simply lying, stupid c*nt? Pick one, stupid c*nt.
Hal432

Wrong “sh*t spewing c*nt. An America hating c*cksucker”

I love my country.
Hal423

Your self described behavior is disgraceful, not where you have been.
2hotel9

Oops, hit the wrong respond tab. Disqus is really becoming a beeatch. That comment is directed to”Jamermorrow” our favorite fake anarchist c*nt.
Guest

I know. I got a good chuckle out of it. I’ve never been accused of that before.
Jamermorrow

So you don’t like my personal behavior. I am fine with that. I am sure my life is very immoral in many peoples eyes. I can’t recall being negative about the military in general. I am very negative about the wars. I don’t think anybodies life is worth rebuilding any country in the middle east.
Hal432

I agree with you that we should not get involved in nation building. I am a believer in eliminating threats to the US, leave and let them spend their energies rebuilding their own country.

As far as your personal behavior, I don’t care what people do in their private lives but your actions are in violation of the UCMJ and bring disgrace to our brothers in arms.

2hotel9

“IRR is hardly discussed during the recruiting process” And yet another lie from our resident fake anarchist Democrat Party c*nt. How unsurprising.

2hotel9

You signed the contract. Oh, I’m sorry! Are you too f*cking stupid to read it, stupid c*nt?

SigFan

Even when we did have a draft a significant core of the Armed Services was staffed with volunteers. At one time, people saw service as an honor and responsibility, not a burden. I suspect most of those that are volunteering today still feel that way, though the promise of paid schooling and other benefits have some appeal to them as well.

Jamermorrow

Sig, I know you believe in the strict interpretation of the constitution. Do you think one man(president) has the constitutional authority to go to war?

2hotel9

No, so why do you support and defend Barri doing so, fake anarchist liar?

Jamermorrow

I have never defended Obama.

2hotel9

You defend him every day, lying c*nt. Or are you lying when you defend Barri, lying c*nt? Pick one, lying c*nt.

SigFan

Of course I don’t, but what in my comment would lead you to think I did?

Anonymous

I’m a big Ron Paul fan but he is wrong here. We should be looking at the use of National Guard troops for these wars overseas. These troops are established for the states but only in emergencies for national security.
Davoarid

I read Rob’s link. In it, I learned that last night, Ron Paul said he objected to the US Government sending American soldiers “hither and yon” around the world, policing the world and using our tax dollars to do so.

There is no logical connection between Paul’s comments and Rob’s post about those comments.
Anonymous

While Ron Paul is generalizing the issue, most of you are being technical, some of you are making this an issue because you oppose Paul’s foreign policy of non intervention, the cockroach from Pennsylvania, is being plainly stupid.
Brenarlo

Do you REALLY think Ron Paul thinks we don’t have a voluntary military? Really? REALLY?

2hotel9

That is what he keeps saying, stupid c*nt. Or are you saying he is just lying?

Brenarlo

Wow… pulling out the “C” word. How will I ever sleep tonight?!

Any idiot can see he’s talking about the pressure on people to join the military to be sent off to fight the needless wars.

2hotel9

So, you can not prove that Luap Nor keeps saying America’s military is not all volunteer, as he has said publicly and openly and repeatedly. OK, stupid c*nt, we get it, you are a Paulette as well as an America hating c*nt.

Brenarlo

Wow… 2 more “C” words. Does that make you feel better?
2hotel9

You just keep proving you have lost, stupid c*nt. Or are you now going to prove that Barri never said what he has said repeatedly, stupid c*nt?
Brenarlo

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2hotel9

Yes, you are. And you still can not prove Barri never said what he has repeatedly said, in public, to voters, you stupid c*nt.

Awfulorv

When I was in the service they made a big thing of being clean shaven. I notice that one of the soldiers has a mustache and goatee. There was good reason to shave, and most of us agreed with the practice, not having to contend with shaving around a wound, being the most obvious. When did this policy change, and what else has been done away with?
Guest

Yawn. Slow news day for Rob. However, we must keep the neocon advertisers happy. Let’s diss Ron Paul about absolutely nothing. Let’s not do the Santorum ties to Jerry Sandusky and the Second Mile organization story. The AP and GOP have put clamps on that one. Yeah, let’s create nothing out of nothing and put Ron Paul’s name in the headlines. Let’s keep those little neocon’s happy.
Hannitized, Proofs obsession

It’s one thing for Republicans to claim it’s a duty while exonerating their children and claiming the question was akin to a draft. If it’s a duty, Moore was right to ask if they would encourage their kids and “sign them up” to back up their big talk.

BHO

Or, run away to England the way Clinton did. DRAFT DODGER!
Hal423

Have you served your country in the US Military?

Hannitized, Proofs obsession

I serve my country by going to many military bases and assist them with their IT requirements, both top secret and other.

I also don’t advocate for needless wars while stating it’s our moral duty to take our young and put them into the military. There are lots of ways to serve our country, Einstein comes to mind as an individual who didn’t serve in uniform.

Hal432

I agree. I wasn’t suggesting anything, just asking if you served in the military.

2hotel9

trannitized is lying to you.

JustRuss

You realize of course Einstein was not young and only barely a citizen when he was serving our country?

Hannitized, Proofs obsession

The point is that people can serve their country or military without being in uniform or in the front lines.
Jamermorrow

Many civilians are in the front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan. In fact they are doing most of the work right now.
Hannitized, Proofs obsession

True. Many Americans are sacrificing to help and they don’t need a uniform to make a difference.
2hotel9

No, the point is you have never served and only sh*t on America and our military. You do it here every day.
Hannitized, Proofs obsession

Easy, section 8. Take your meds before you spout out lies that get you in trouble.
Guest

And don’t you forget to take your STD meds, you’re a walking health hazard.
2hotel9

Like you did when you claimed that pics you posted here were of the interior of a secure facility, tranni? You going to cry about that some more? And where are all those pics you keep claiming to have from facebook? Is that just another lie you are spewing, c*nt.

Jfisher17

Much like, I’m sure, the global warming nuts encourage their kids and “sign them up” to back up their big “reduce your carbon footprint” talk.

opinionated

Your right it is all volunteer and many men join the military because there are no jobs, they choose the military over college or they feel the need to defend america’s freedoms which are all honorable reason to enlist….. but to simply promise everyone a job who has ever served in the military is trying to vote buy by promising a select group of people that you will do a favor for them in exchange for their support and this really smells! it is no different then state employees getting raises because a new year passes or giving people jobs based on race, religion or gender…. this is a very slippery slope for a supposed constitutionalist, unless they are currently serving in the military for free, their salary should be sufficient for the work that they perform the same as everyone else who provides a service for another human, besides they already get veterans preference and employers can choose whomever they want to fill a vacant position unless they are handstrung by some hiring quota!! All right Paulbots hit me hard

Guest

When did Ron Paul promise anyone a job fore votes? I’m completely lost.

Matthew

Just because they volunteer doesn’t negate the responsibility of using them appropriately.

Jamermorrow

Exactly, just because people volunteer does not meet the government should use them unwisely.

Awfulorv

Was it necessary for our ” Hate America”, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to devote her time, and words, deploring our volunteer servicemen urinating on the Taliban killers? Big deal, they wipe their ass with their hands, so maybe the guys were just trying to clean them up a bit before they met their Virgins. Couldn’t she say, as a representative of our country, something about the bombs that are killing people, all over Iraq, by these same type of savages? A female SOS operating in a part of the world that pisses on their women as punishment, is ridiculous in the first place. Next thing you know her ugly daughter will be have a TV show, or something…

2hotel9

Exactly. Democrats never criticize Muslims for doing far worse to innocent people while they are still alive.

opinionated

When you go into the military you get a general job description if you go in the air force as a rec specialist you can do anything from running a youth center to scraping dead gophers off the streets but they all know what the real job of the military is and that is to defend and protect and that has always been the mission of the Department of Defense. I hardly doubt that one does not know that war is being waged around the war and they themselves might be asked to do their part.

To: guest: I am looking for that transcript from a speech and will reprint and give credit when I find it.
Independent

Saying “they claim….is a moral responsibility” isn’t saying “they”…………do this

Just pointing out it can be interpreted differently then you understood it.

2hotel9

Really? “then” you should learn how to read and write in English, you illiterate stupid f*ck.

Independent

Charlie Rangel does claim our kids should be forced into public service and there should be a draft. Now, as an illeterate f*ck I still understand, Charlie Rangel isn’t doing this as we speak.

2hotel9

All that said, why do you keep defending, advocating for, and voting Democrat c*cksuckers like Charlie? Oh, yea, because you are an America hating c*nt. Never mind, America hating c*nt.

Independent

I sincerely apologize for using then instead of than. Now as a ordained member of the English gestapo you can donate some money for typo, English and spelling training instead of being arrogant.

2hotel9

Not a problem! You continue to prove yourself to be an America hating c*nt every time you vomit your Democrat Party sh*t onto this blog. F*ck you, and your greasy a$$ed whore mother.

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