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Tuesday, September 19, 2006

So…Are Ya A Jew?

Unbelievable.

Here we have a reporter trying to find out if Allen's a Jew, or if his mother or grandfather are/were Jewish, and we're supposed to pretend like that's an appropriate question? Is that really something that's going to matter to the voters of Virginia? Would we be comfortable if Allen were saying "Vote for me, I'm a Jew?" How about if Allen's opponent were to say "Don't vote for Allen, he's a Jew?"

Honestly, that has pretty much got to be the dumbest question I've ever heard asked of a politician. Especially in an atmosphere to focused on political correctness that a politician can't even make an innocent reference to something being a "tar baby" without it causing a three-day media circus.

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And how would you feel if say, Allen was a muslim, how would you react then?

Asarious on September 19, 2006 at 07:02 am
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Wouldn’t bother me, though I’d be expecting any Muslim politician running for office to strongly condemn the Islamic extremists we’re fighting against.


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Rob on September 19, 2006 at 07:09 am
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I’m offended by the question, but unsurprised by it.  The fact of the matter is that being a Jew is now a campaign issue.

isirota1965 on September 19, 2006 at 09:04 am
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And if the question was: are you a christian?

What then?

realitybasedbob on September 19, 2006 at 09:35 am
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well, in principle, according to the constitution of the USA, it shouldn’t make a difference what religion a person running for office is, however, a person’s religion can greatly affect a person’s judgement or opinion, which i think is fair considering how the foreign policies and even internal policies of many countries have become too concentrated on religion rather than political views, and by many countries i refer to the arabs not being too friendly with jews, and the west not being too friendly with muslims, so i think that although the qustion might be alittle too blunt and shouldn’t really be asked, i do think that a person being a jew or a muslim, or whatever religion is a consideration when voting for someone, but again, should not be put in a question, simply cuz of the freedom of religion in the consitution. sorry i rant

Asarious on September 19, 2006 at 09:38 am
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what i want to know is, how did he reply, regardless of yes or no, or how was his reaction rather than reply?

Asarious on September 19, 2006 at 09:46 am
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Senator Allen refused to answer the question, and rightfully so.

isirota1965 on September 19, 2006 at 09:54 am
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i guess thats fair, but i don’t think it’s unreasonable to consider a politician’s religion or religious backrground with religion being so tightly linked to politics these days

Asarious on September 19, 2006 at 10:01 am
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I think that the problem here is that asking this question is permissible insofar as certain ethnic groups are concerned, but not for others.

isirota1965 on September 19, 2006 at 10:09 am
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My question is: how does the whole nation know the Kerry is “Catholic” and Bush is “Protestant”?

Whose business is that?

It seems that we Americans do make some kind of a big deal out of religion- as we have seen that (not to be bad on Catholics or anything..) the Catholic candidates have been heavy on the drinking. Plus, we probably have more protestants than catholics in this nation, especially in the south.

People pick the president like they’re picking a date sometimes…

student student on September 19, 2006 at 11:55 am
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but maybe that isn’t such a bad idea...because if I want the person that benefits me and my demographics the most, then I’ll vote for the most similar candidate. So, if I were a devout (insert religion), I would vote for a (insert religion), but of course on the basis that his policy reflects that.

So if your religion happens to be the majority religion, then surely it would benefit you. But I do think in most cases that since there are so many religions out there, if you announce it to everyone as the candidate- then you will risk being beaten badly and other candidates could attack you on the basis of your announcing your religion.

student student on September 19, 2006 at 11:58 am

As recently as the 1960 Presidential election, religion was an issue.  JFK, a Catholic, was asked if his allegiance to the Pope would supersede his allegiance to his country.  We used to be concerned about that kind of stuff.


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robert108 on September 19, 2006 at 12:09 pm
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It seems Allen may have set himself up to be asked that question

interesting:

The anchor may have thought she had license to pop the Jewish question when Allen, reacting to the “macaca” question, volunteered that his grandfather “was incarcerated by the Nazis in World War II.”

Citing reports about his “possible Jewish ancestry,” Fox questioned Allen’s past denial that his mother is Jewish.

This reminds me of some video clip that pos once in a while about cops using “unnecessary” violence. Doesn’t sound like she asked it out of the blue.

aNONOMISLY on September 19, 2006 at 04:23 pm

aNON: So, only Jews were incarcerated by the Nazis in WWII?  What color is the sky in your world?


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robert108 on September 19, 2006 at 04:29 pm
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Are there particular characteristics that indicate someone as having Jewish ancestry, thus making them Jewish?

Or is being Jewish simply a religion?

If you know what I’m saying, can being Jewish actually qualify as a certain type of race? or is it just a creed?

I mean, I just don’t think of it as “I’m of Jewish color” but I spose there could be characteristics of Jews that can be passed down?

Can you simply conclude that someone is a Jew (or part Jewish) because their grandparent was a Jew?

student student on September 19, 2006 at 04:50 pm
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aNON: So, only Jews were incarcerated by the Nazis in WWII? What color is the sky in your world?

THE overwhelming majority were, so that sort-of give some ground for her question.

..also the fact he has apperantly denied it in the past:

Citing reports about his “possible Jewish ancestry,” Fox questioned Allen’s past denial that his mother is Jewish.

but now he says she actually is.

My view is that asking the question just to see weather he is Jew or not would have been inappropriate, (similar to poleticians in the past been asked about their religion in the past)

but after reading after reading the following I doubt that is what she was getting at:

The anchor may have thought she had license to pop the Jewish question when Allen, reacting to the “macaca” question, volunteered that his grandfather “was incarcerated by the Nazis in World War II.”

Citing reports about his “possible Jewish ancestry,” Fox questioned Allen’s past denial that his mother is Jewish.

She mostlikely was getting at his past denial of it.

Allen has admitted that now he knows she actually is, but that he really didn’t know before.

..sounds too much like when he said that the he heard the word Macaca from one of his campaign staffer than on Sunday contradict that by claiming on MTP he actually instantly made up the word out of the blue at that point in time he used it.


seems like I’m not the only one
that thinks Allen responce was weird.

aNONOMISLY on September 19, 2006 at 04:56 pm
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it’s both something that can be relgious believe but also ancestry (i.e. like some one been considered Arab and/or Muslim)

aNONOMISLY on September 19, 2006 at 04:58 pm
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