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What about the lawsuit against Cracker Barrel by some black federal agents?  That’s the only form of institutional discrimination I can remember hearing about in a while.

What about the lawsuit against Cracker Barrel by some black federal agents?

Cracker Barrel? Hell, white people ought to sue ‘em over that name!

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I was once snubbed by a black hostess.  However I think she was on her first day not quite up to the job rather than being an hater. 

Not that I’ve eaten at the Cracker Barrel that often, but they’ve always had black hostesses so in their hiring they’ve been fine.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Here’s how I’ve heard the N word used

1. Once by a hispanic teenager to an African American. Sthat student was disciplined.

2. Once by a white, middle-aged liberal in the public sector who was upset that African-Americans were wasting all the opportunities that the middle aged-white liberal felt he had sacrificed a lot of his life to give blacks.

3. During the coverage of the OJ Simpson trial.

4. In Quentin Terintino movies.

5. Many times by black comedians and rappers.

I was once snubbed by a black hostess.

It had nothing to do with you calling her “Cupcake” and suggesting you could replenish her “creamy white filling”??

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But here’s what I’m wondering about. I’m wondering just how many black Americans under a certain age have actually been called that word by a white person.

Youre kidding me right?

Anyway, why don’t you buy a PlayStation and go online in SOCOM 2 and see how many red state children in their “klans” actually attack blacks behind the internet and call them niggers.  Most black guys handle it pretty good, but trust me….its happening EVERYDAY.

I can’t even believe you think this way.  Astonishing.

I have to wonder just where all this racism is that we keep getting told all about over and over again. If anyone out there can show me where someone was denied a loan just because he or she was black - and not because they may have had bad credit - please do so.

I have already covered this.  My former BUSINESS PARTNER who owned an electrical contracting business and lived in Pleasanton would throw blacks resumes into the trash.

When I asked why he would say “because you can only put your hand in the fire so many times before you learn you get burned”.

This is all too amazing that you are even asking this question.  How is the government going to catch small business doing this?  They cant.

And, no, I’m not talking about someone who got the boot from a restaurant or was asked to leave a business because they were disruptive or rude and then cried racism. I’m talking about instances of the genuine, dyed-in-the-wool racism that I keep being told is so pervasive in our society.

Sorry, but I just don’t see it.

Because you don’t want to.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=99402

WEST PALM BEACH, FL—A man is filing a discrimination suit against a popular West Palm Beach, Florida bar. Shawn Anderson claims it’s an issue about race and teeth.

Anderson said he was asked to leave Roxy’s on Clematis Street Wednesday night because of his gold teeth. The manager explained Roxy’s dress code bans ‘grills’—gold teeth covers.

and..

at some point we decided we would all meet and see a movie. My buddy and I waited in front until the movie had already started, and then finally gave up and went inside.

The girls never called me again, and were never around when I called them. Eventually my buddy admitted that he had seen them at the movies, but they wouldn’t come over when they saw I was black. He said they were shocked because I didn’t ‘sound black’ on the phone...

http://www.experienceproject.com/uw.php?e=1124

After that we stopped being friends. One day i came to school and someone wrote on the walls outside the cafeteria i hate ******* in big letters, and then that same day after school my sister told me that some boys in her class were calling her ghetto, and chickenhead.

http://www.experienceproject.com/uw.php?e=587

By Bias Motivation
In 2004, racial bias motivated more than half (53.9 percent) of the 9,021 reported offenses within single-bias hate crime incidents; religious bias accounted for 16.4 percent; bias regarding sexual orientation, 15.6 percent; ethnicity or national origin, 13.3 percent; and disability bias, 0.8 percent. 

Law enforcement agencies reported 4,863 offenses within single-bias incidents that were motivated by the offender’s racial bias.  Among those offenses, 67.5 percent resulted from an anti-black bias, and 20.5 percent were due to an anti-white bias.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2004/section1.htm

Answers from non-biased people who aren’t trying to back up their buddy.

Racist/Prejudiced Experiences in Chicago?

I am just wondering if anyone has a personal story about any racist or prejudiced treatment they received in Chicago.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080303095105AAlhqVi

Racist/Prejudiced Experiences in Chicago?
I am just wondering if anyone has a personal story about any racist or prejudiced treatment they received in Chicago. This weekend , my friends and I were walking down North ave trying to find a good bar/club to go to. My black friend could not get into this one club because his pants wer too baggy. In fact they were even dress pants with dress shoes and sports coat (he had just come from a wedding). My friend is a sociology major so this intriqued her. She had her white male friend come out of a bar he was already in and try to get into this same club that my friend had been denied entrance into. This white male was wearing dark blue baggy jeans and was allowed entrance. We did not say anything to the bouncer but we were all very upset. Should this be reported? Has anyone else had similar experiences?

Chicago is one of the most segregated cities in America. Very few neighborhoods are what is considered “diversified.” They are mostly divided by race. When a person of color moves to a “white” neighborhood, the entire white population leaves. Look at Bellwood or Franklin Park or Oak Park or Austin as examples.

This is not my own personal experience, but that of a friend from high school (a black male) who had a pretty bad experience with a cop from out here in the ‘burbs-big shock there, right?

I knew this guy since third grade, and he was always a really nice guy. One day he borrowed his mom’s car, I think it was a Lexus, so it was not a cheapo car, to drive some of his friends home after basketball practice. They were pulled over for—get this—mob activity! Apparently it was illegal for 4 or more people to be in a vehicle together. No one was really able to wrap their heads around that, since it was highly unlikely that a group of white kids would be stopped for that. The cop proceeded to perform an illegal search on the vehicle, not believing my friend when he said it was his mom’s car and he had permission to use it. The cop assumed it was stolen. While he searched the car he kept saying “I know I’m gonna find drugs or guns in here.” Of course he found no such thing. He eventually had to let them go. But to the best of my knowledge no action was ever taken against the cop.

Hannitized,

Once again if you read what I wrote I said clearly that isolated incidents DO occur. But get this - this is a country of 300 MILLION people. Most people react to others based on how they’re treated by them and not because of their skin color.

Institutionalized racism is very much a thing that has faded from the mainstream.

I know you liberals like to think that there is a Klan chapter in every neighborhood but, sorry, it just isn’t so.

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WEST PALM BEACH, FL—A man is filing a discrimination suit against a popular West Palm Beach, Florida bar. Shawn Anderson claims it’s an issue about race and teeth.
Anderson said he was asked to leave Roxy’s on Clematis Street Wednesday night because of his gold teeth. The manager explained Roxy’s dress code bans ‘grills’—gold teeth covers.

You have to be kidding with this example. The first time I ever heard of “grills” was a story about a petulent white kid who was sueing or something because his high school wouldn’t let him wear his grill in class.

Grills just fall into a catagory of low class behavior, and huray for Roxy’s for having some standards.

Some places have dress codes. I’ve actually been to a restaurant where they wouldn’t let you in without a sport coat. I’ve had a lot of jobs where I had to wear a coat and tie…to wait on people in tennis shorts and polo shirts.

If a restaurant or club wants to have a nice atmosphere for it’s partons by not allowing people in with “grills,” facial piercings, or tank tops…that’s ok with me. When I go out on the town (which is rarely) I don’t want to be surrounded by dirtbags….of any color.

Shawn Anderson claims it’s an issue about race and teeth.

Anybody can “claim” it’s about race! Better payoff with your shyster lawyer, don’tcha know?

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It’s interesting that Hannitized used the example of the guy being denied entry into a bar, ostensibly because of the way he was dressed.

I wonder what the rest of the story from the bar employees perspective is? Because club owners are well aware of anti-discrimination laws and are very wary not to violate them.

I suspect there’s more to it.

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Hannitized:  Four years ago, while visiting my adult daughter in Chicago, she and I, along with a city bus full of whites, blacks, young, old, male and female - including the driver! - were literally terrorized by four young black thugs who boarded.

So what does this prove about racism? Nothing. And neither does your former business partner’s disposal of black applications. [btw - why didn’t you report his conduct to the HRC if it bothered you?]

Posting lists of ‘incidents’ is a useless process… it quickly becomes a tit-for-tat, top this! game.

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

Anyway, why don’t you buy a PlayStation and go online in SOCOM 2 and see how many red state children in their “klans” actually attack blacks behind the internet and call them niggers.  Most black guys handle it pretty good, but trust me….its happening EVERYDAY.

One thing that I’ve noticed recently is how many poor, white hillbilly kids are dressing hip-hop. No longer does your average white trash Cletus or Skeeter wear cover-alls and straw hats. Most white trash kids are wearing saggy pants, oversized sports jersy’s, backwards Raiders hats, and even grills. I know this because I got stuck in an airport recently with a bunch of hip-hop hillbillies (this was not the first time I noticed this, just an incident that confirmed what I had been seeing for a while). I Don’t know who the red-state “klan” kids are, because you average inbred Cletus thinks he’s a rapper form Compton.

Wing-Chun,

with a bunch of hip-hop hillbillies (

Good phrase. Heh. And you’re right. It’s about attitude, not skin color.

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see how many red state children in their “klans”

Nice how you put “klans” in quotes, you lying slacker! It is true that many online gamers form themselves into “clans” for multiplayer games. I seriously doubt that race has anything to do with most of these “clans”, but thanks for yet another, baseless, mindless slur based upon nothing but the projections of your own shriveled heart and mind!

Even if there was a shred of truth in your assumption, it would only characterize the demographic of “violent video game” players, not the populace as a whole.

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Proof,

Actually we should be glad Hannitized, with his razor sharp analysis and keen powers of observation, cleared that whole “klan/clan” thing up for us.

And here all this time I thought the book “Clan of the Cave Bear” was about stone age cave dwellers. Following Hannitzed’s logic the title was obviously wrong and should have been “Klan of the Cave Bear” instead and must have been about pointy-hat wearing stone age racists.

Who knew?

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One day i came to school and someone wrote on the walls outside the cafeteria i hate ******* in big letters, and then that same day after school my sister told me that some boys in her class were calling her ghetto, and chickenhead. i figured it was this “friend ” of mine and like any other angry teenager, i beat her up

Hannitized:

You’re examples might be more effective it one of them wasn’t from someone who seemed to think that beating some one up is justified.

like any other angry teenager, i beat her up

To the extent that there blacks are prejudged, it’s by people who think they have to be wary lest they find themselves victims of violence. Part of this prejudice my come from ignorance, and some part may come from bad experiences (I know a very well educated person who grew up in Washington DC and would probably cross the street if two black men were approaching in on the sidewalk at night, and a lot of it is generated by the thug attitude that many young African Americans try to project.

A post like the one you referenced…

like any other angry teenager, i beat her up

....does nothing to make the problem any better.

Amazing.

Pil writes an opinion piece on his belief that racism isn’t as prevalent as many would have us believe and Hannitized regales us all with a anecdotal fairy tale of his old business partner. What better proof is there?

Pil lives and works in the south where race was once divisive and commonplace; Hannitized and his former business partner lived where? That bastion of liberalism, Pleasanton California.

More proof? Hannitized gives us another anonymously written narrative by someone who recites and incident that unfolded while in the seventh grade. Very stirring.

Then to top off our morning coffee with a three fingered pulque, Hannitized does what he does best; cut and paste some miscellaneous ( and meaningless ) stats on hate crimes.

Vintage Hannitized.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another…it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
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No white person ever calls a black person a nigger.  You are right Pilgrim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5JP3ICOHBA&feature=related

White guys making fun of black guys…calling them niggers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FcUvT2PZr0&feature=related

Jews pick on black people..(sort of)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5825QspDRNw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X73eB7H-Xvo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1joB0VqtR0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM7D1fyLd2E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xhkt1NKYqU&feature=related

Little Spelling Bee Says Niggas….(joke)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAU4p1ZxPyE&feature=related

It’s interesting that Hannitized used the example of the guy being denied entry into a bar, ostensibly because of the way he was dressed.

It’s interesting that your subtle mind didn’t catch that he had come from a wedding and they were dress pants and that the white guy, who wore baggy jeans got in several days later as a test to see if they would treat him differently.  They did.

Classic denial.

No white person ever...

Wrong again, Pip! He never said “ever”, twit!
Even as late as an hour ago, oh, illiterate one, Pilgrim said:

Once again if you read what I wrote I said clearly that isolated incidents DO occur

Is the problem that you can’t read or just incapable of learning from what you do read?

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Sigh.

No white person ever calls a black person a nigger.  You are right Pilgrim.

I never said that. I said clearly that there are still slack jawed mouth breathers out there who say things like that - on both sides of the color coin.

By the way, Hannitized - did you just spend all that time researching YouTube just to try to prove me wrong?

I’m impressed in a creeped out sort of way. But you’re still missing the entire point behind the piece (as usual), which is the intitutionalized racism that our society is accused of again and again.

Funny, though…..isn’t it odd that you can go to liberal sites like Huffington and Kos and see far, far more racial slurs that you will ever see on conservative sites?

Interesting. I wonder what that means?

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Anyone else notice that the add at the bottom of this page was for an inter-racial dating service. what a racist society.

Is the problem that you can’t read or just incapable of learning from what you do read?

It’s as much that as what he reads.

Apparently, he gets his schooling from youtube.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another…it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
                                  Saint-Exupéry

Get over it and move on. Like it or not, nobody’s really stopping you because of your color these days. If you choose to stop yourself because of it, well, then, that’s another issue altogether.

Just stop blaming me.

Like the long lasting effects of a debilitating disease, the feelings of the old, wicked racism in this country will not die out for several more generations of Americans of color. It is silly to think that just saying racism has died out for all intent and purposes in the life of our country, that the older men and women having suffered the disgrace and harm of racism that is still strong in their memories will stop thinking that way.

These charges of racism and genuine feelings of racism by many Americans of color would fade away faster had not the liberals and welfare pimps in our country seen financial and political advantage in keeping the feelings of racism alive. Not only does the Left see advantages for them in keeping the racism pot stirred up, they make it worse by telling people of color they are inferior people, they need special preferences if they are going to succeed, as they do not naturally possess the necessities as human beings to compete with caucasions. People of color in greater numbers could more fully participate in the prosperity of America if the Left did not keep generations of them enslaved to the welfare dole, keeping them poor.

Despite the racism of the Left, a great number of people of color have demonstrated their abilities to succeed, to live prosperous and often wealthy lives; but rather than being an example to people of color that have not burst out of the ghettos, the successful people of color tend to buy into the idea that despite their success, whitey is still holding back their brothers and sisters and they are right. The white Left is holding them back by their racist socialist policies, because the Left is using poor people of color as their tools to create class warfare in America, further dividing the country all for a brazen, insatiable lust for political power.

Racism still exists in America, it hurts people of color and the reason it cannot be defeated is that the poor people of color have failed in enemy identification, they blame successful white people for their plight because the Left has made whites the enemy, while it is the white people on the Left holding their arms together with poor people of color that are their real enemies, in one breath saying we are your only help people of color and in the next breath saying you people of color are inferior, needing white, Leftist massah to give you scraps from their tables.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Posting lists of ‘incidents’ is a useless process… it quickly becomes a tit-for-tat, top this! game.

Wow.  I hope you missed the question from Pilgrim, pparets.  If you will note, Pilgrim asked for instances.  HE ASKED FOR THEM.

Of course, his little gaggle of fraggles would never be honest enough to address this issue.  So i posted links and comments from people who actually have experienced racism, the type he was asking about.  And what did you all do?  Deny them.

You guys are a joke.  I am surprised with your reaction pparets.

If anyone can show me where a white family in that restaurant got up and moved when a black family sat at the table next to them or refused to be seated next to a black family just because of their color please quote me chapter and verse, brother. I’m all ears.

Ya see that pparets?

So what does this prove about racism? Nothing. And neither does your former business partner’s disposal of black applications. [btw - why didn’t you report his conduct to the HRC if it bothered you?

Oh, I see.  When Pilgrim asks about discrimination in the workforce, the fact that my business partner threw blacks resumes in the trash, before reading them, proves nothing?

I am disappointed in you pparets.  But now I am starting to see how you think.  No wonder why this Obama thing bothers you.  You dont get it.

And I didn’t report him because he was the capital and I was the brains in the partnership.  He funded me to start our joint venture and it helped me establish my own business that I ran simultaneously.  (Salt Water Sanity and Salt Water Insanity)

I am not going to stop my business because he had racist tendencies at times.  He still was a decent guy.  I guess I tolerated him in the same way Obama tolerated his pastors bad behavior.

My business partner was also a father figure to me.  He taught me about business.

I agree with several posters.  There are individual racists remarks.  However, there are even greater actual racists actions taken against certain others including rape, torture and murder by a gang of negroes.  The link was blacklisted (not a made-up word, but on this blog).  The racism exhibited in the right reverend’s church just about sums up the racism in the USA today.

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Pil writes an opinion piece on his belief that racism isn’t as prevalent as many would have us believe and Hannitized regales us all with a anecdotal fairy tale of his old business partner. What better proof is there?

What do you mean by “fairy tale”?  Are you suggesting that I am lying?

Please, tell me that my historical experience should be ignored, because you find it uncomfortable.  It sure would go a long way in proving to me that you are the type of person I have pegged you to be.

Pil lives and works in the south where race was once divisive and commonplace; Hannitized and his former business partner lived where? That bastion of liberalism, Pleasanton California.

Um, clearly you don’t know what you are talking about.  Pleasanton and Blackhawk are predominantly conservative and white.  If you ever heard the term “white flight” (which im sure is nothing more than a figment of imagination to you), it is the place where the whites ran, in an attempt to escape from the inner city types…if ya know what I mean?

More proof? Hannitized gives us another anonymously written narrative by someone who recites and incident that unfolded while in the seventh grade. Very stirring.

Well, if you will note Pilgrams premise was that our youth doesn’t carry the baggage of their parents or the past.  But we can see, by reporting on incidents at early age, that he was wrong. 

I proved that white girls really do get up and walk away when a black person comes into their circle.

It is inconvenient for you, yes.  But evidence no less.

Then to top off our morning coffee with a three fingered pulque, Hannitized does what he does best; cut and paste some miscellaneous ( and meaningless ) stats on hate crimes.

So the FBI statistic on RACIAL WHITE ON BLACK hate crimes are meaningless too.  Got it. 

Vintage Hannitized.

No, no, no, no peaches…..vintage laymedownnowsally!

I agree with several posters.  There are individual racists remarks.  However, there are even greater actual racists actions taken against certain others including rape, torture and murder by a gang of negroes.

Cheif, are you saying the FBI got it wrong when they showed statistics that demonstrate 60% of hate crimes are based on race…and that over 50% are white on black crime, while 20% were black on white? 

Yes or no?

Once again if you read what I wrote I said clearly that isolated incidents DO occur.

Ok, Pilgrim.  How exactly am I supposed to provide evidence that it occurs a lot more than you think?  Exactly what type of information are you looking for?

You deny everything that I offer up.  Why?

Public schools are largely segregated.

My business partner was also a father figure to me.  He taught me about business.

The guy who discriminated against blacks? He taught you well!

And I didn’t report him because he was the capital and I was the brains in the partnership.

So, racism is acceptable to you as long as it profits you personally? Way to stand on principle, Pip!

Are you suggesting that I am lying?

Are your lips moving? Are your fingers typing? (Actually, I suspect that your lips move while you’re typing!)

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Um, Hannitized…...

I really don’t want to steer this debate in this direction, but I’m curious (since you brought up the thing about the guy being denied entry into a bar) about a couple of things:

Were there any other black patrons in that bar at the time or was every one of them turned away at the door? Or just this guy?

And….have you gone to a bar that caters to a young, all black clientele lately? Just curious, but if you were the only white guy there just what do you think your reception would be? And if you haven’t….why not? Peace and love, baby. I’m sure everyone there would welcome you because of your understanding and liberal openness.

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Nice how you put “klans” in quotes, you lying slacker! It is true that many online gamers form themselves into ”clans” for multiplayer games. I seriously doubt that race has anything to do with most of these “clans”,

It was a play on words you dope.  What do you know about online gaming anyway?  Do you/did you play SOCOM yes or no?  Do you know the limitations of grabbing clan names?  Have you played on a clan against another and have you ever experienced whites chastising black?

I can tell you that I did, and that it was always the white kids harassing the blacks.  I know it inconvienient for you, but there you have it. 

This is all more evidence that you will do anything, dishonest, to deny blacks the reality that they live in a racist world.

but thanks for yet another, baseless, mindless slur based upon nothing but the projections of your own shriveled heart and mind!

What does that even mean you leaping moron?  Pilgrim asked for examples that demonstrate the youth is not likely to use these terms, he is wrong.  They don’t do it in public or as frequently probably out of fear or embarrassment.  But they do it when they can, behind closed doors or over the internet when they feel safe.

Even if there was a shred of truth in your assumption, it would only characterize the demographic of “violent video game” players, not the populace as a whole.

It’s everyday American kids….the kind you grow up next to that don’t sound unintelligent.  They team up, as kids do, and pick on the black kids and call them racist names and mock them. 

I can’t help you if you live in denial, I can only offer evidence…evidence that you of course will deny.

Hannitized.  I am slowly reading all of the FBI report which includes much input from outside sources.  I just don’t see it here.  People would like to be safe and many others want to steal, terrorize, rape, murder, and torture others just for the ? hate ? of it.  Duke University.  Knoxville, Columbia, SC; UNC.  My old public school.  Most were racist attacks, but the targets were caucasian.  Now, I would like to track back and see if any of these, including the man who said publicly that he raped and murdered the woman in my town because of “400 years of ? oppression, etc”

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Were there any other black patrons in that bar at the time or was every one of them turned away at the door? Or just this guy?

Pilgrim, did you even click on the link I provided?  The links were answers to a question somebody asked about racism in Chicago.

I dont know the answer to your question, but we know the black guy who was wearing slacks and nice shoes, who came from a wedding, was denied entrance, the white guy who wore baggy jeans was allowed entrance.

THAT is the evidence you asked for, is it not?

And….have you gone to a bar that caters to a young, all black clientele lately? Just curious, but if you were the only white guy there just what do you think your reception would be? And if you haven’t….why not? Peace and love, baby. I’m sure everyone there would welcome you because of your understanding and liberal openness.

Im not really white, Pilgrim…im brown.  And yes, I wen’t to a mostly black and brown bar out of curiosity about a month ago.  Nobody gave me dirty looks, but I was quite disturbed by the looks of the crowd, truth be told.

Everyone was old, most were on the xxlrg size and the music was terrible (old R&B from the 80s).

This is a distraction from your question.  I am willing to admit there is a race problem in our country.  Are you?

From what you have given me, it seems clear you are willing to accept reverse racism, but deny white on black racism.  Why are you so ignorant to the reality of the world we live in?

It was a play on words you dope.

Yes. Turning the word into a racial slur! No points for originality, just the point on the top of your white sheet hat!

What do you know about online gaming anyway?

Why do you always make big leaping assumptions all the time? Do you ever deal in facts?

Do you/did you play SOCOM yes or no?

Not the only online game or online gaming community. I would never assume, based on my online gaming experience, that it was representative of anything other than what it was.

I can tell you that I did, and that it was always the white kids harassing the blacks.

Funny! Most of the guys I played with online, the only way I knew what they looked like, or what race they were, or how old they were was if I knew them personally. Online, a person can claim to be anything! So, you base your knowledge on the trash talk of anonymous (largely teenage?) people online? Great methodology, pinhead!

What does that even mean

Break down the words, one at a time, and get a dictionary if needed! Work through them slowly and I’m sure it will come to you!

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I just don’t see it here.  People would like to be safe and many others want to steal, terrorize, rape, murder, and torture others just for the ? hate ? of it.  Duke University.  Knoxville, Columbia, SC; UNC.  My old public school.  Most were racist attacks, but the targets were caucasian.

Please note that I am not quarreling with anyone who may have experienced racism, white or black.  Nor am I defending it…any of it.

On the contrary, my opponents are dismissing white on black racism, for some odd reason that I can’t quite pin point.

I am willing to admit there is a race issue in this country Chief.  But if you truly believe it only goes in one direction, I can only offer statistics and data that show you are mistaken and not only are you mistaken, but you are mistaken on a statistical basis that turns your experience on its ears.

So where do we go from here?

All right, Hannitized, now you’ve gone too far….. (sarcasm with humor before you go off the deep end)

Nobody gave me dirty looks, but I was quite disturbed by the looks of the crowd, truth be told.

Everyone was old, most were on the xxlrg size and the music was terrible (old R&B from the 80s).

Classic R&B is great stuff. It’s real music, unlike most of the crap out there now.

Everyone was old? That probably meant that they had the wisdom, dignity, and experience to mind their own busines and to let you mind yours.

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Hannitized.  Right off the bat something jumped out at me.  On table 1, which numbers only 7.649 incidents.  Is that number multiplied by 1,000 or 100?  If not, that would constitute such a tiny fraction of the 300,000,000 citizens in the USA.  It was so small I got a -5e on my computer.
Next.  Let’s take a look at the anti “hatred”  Where are the Anti-Christian numbers?  Oh, I guess the Anti-Protestant covers that:  1.  Where are the anti-heterosexual numbers.  I know there have been some, I read about several instances myself.  In fact, a few resulted in murders.  One man killed both of his daughters because they expressed an interest in joining a Christian church.  This study seems biased, don’t you think. 
Lets look further:  Table 2

Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter—-5 five?  (5) for the entire year of 2004.  Are you kidding me??  All this hype about race is based on five Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter?  Someone is searching for an excuse to fund a study or create a job or something else. 

Table 3.  Now I will use what I see as a liberal ploy—although factual, I would never do this, but will for an example:  ”  The number of hate crimes of Forcible rape against whites outnumbered blacks by 2 to 1!  (the actual numbers reported were 2 and 1 respectively)
Table 5.  Explains a good bit.  Whites biased against whites?  Interesting.

Let me say this at this point.  There was reported a higher percentage of EOC complaints at the Federal EOC offices!  scams?  who knows

Table 11.  Five incidents from Alabama, two from Mississippi!?  Thousands from California??!!!

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Why do you always make big leaping assumptions all the time? Do you ever deal in facts?

A question is not an assumption you moron.  You do know the difference?

Not the only online game or online gaming community. I would never assume, based on my online gaming experience, that it was representative of anything other than what it was.

True, but it was one of the largest and certainly one that epitomized the spirit of the military tactical war-fighting.

Nov 21 2005 9:42 PM EST
Racism Among The Many Foes Online Gamers Must Fight
   
New Xbox 360 network will include safeguards to reduce verbal abuse.

He gets cursed at. He gets run over by his teammates. And he is frequently told, by the anonymous gamers from miles away that he is connected with via his Xbox and microphone-enabled headset, that “Jesus wasn’t black, you stupid nigger.”

Gamers who have racked up a few kills or won a few races on any online games that can be played with strangers already know that prejudicial remarks are a regular part of the chatter they’ll encounter. “If you play every day, you will hear it every day,” said 20-year-old Chris Buddhu from Queens, New York.

“The first time it happened I was a little shocked,” said 23-year-old Chris Scott of Brooklyn. “It’s different from the racism I encounter in person.”

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1514305/20051121/id_0.jhtml

I am resigning from the clan with much regret. Before I explain why I know there are a couple of ways you can react. The most obvious way will be who cares I have a lot of people that want to join. The next is he is blowing it out of proportion or he needs to relax. The last is to take it in and think about it but that rarely happens.

It was last night when I was on the server and there were a lot of clan members on about eight of us I think. Then someone put up the question about is the guy hanging in iceworld a black guy? I was in shock to see that and then most of the clan members started to vote yes. There was even a player called, “Black Man with his Gun” on the server. I didn’t vote and didn’t really think about it until I got off the server and went to work. It popped in my head like did that just happen or I am I going crazy. It would be as if someone on the server was Jewish and you made fun of the Holocaust. How would you like it if someone talked about something personal to you in a negative way you would probably get mad and ban them right away.

http://videogames.propeller.com/story/2006/08/29/how-to-stop-online-gaming-racism/

Funny! Most of the guys I played with online, the only way I knew what they looked like, or what race they were, or how old they were was if I knew them personally. Online, a person can claim to be anything! So, you base your knowledge on the trash talk of anonymous (largely teenage?) people online? Great methodology, pinhead!

So your theory is that blacks are pretending to be whites insulting blacks?

Who is the pinhead?

 

And I didn’t report him because he was the capital and I was the brains in the partnership.

So, racism is acceptable to you as long as it profits you personally?

Hannitized’s recounting of his racist partner and mentor (shades of Obama?) put me in mind of this quote:

“In every political community there are varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects. Ten degrees to the left of center in good times. Ten degrees to the right of center if it effects them personally!” -Phil Ochs

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Who is the pinhead?

That would still be you! Thanks for cherry picking my remarks, Pip!
It still doesn’t change the demographic, even if by some amazingly small chance, you were right in any of your assumptions!

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Next.  Let’s take a look at the anti “hatred” Where are the Anti-Christian numbers?  Oh, I guess the Anti-Protestant covers that:  1.  Where are the anti-heterosexual numbers.  I know there have been some, I read about several instances myself.  In fact, a few resulted in murders.  One man killed both of his daughters because they expressed an interest in joining a Christian church. This study seems biased, don’t you think. 
Lets look further:  Table 2

OK, so you think the FBI report is a liberally bias rag.  That’s all I wanted to know.

I mean, I don’t know where to go from here fellas.  I am not sure anything I can provide can convince you that….shock….racim on blacks still exists.

Again, I know it exists in revers as well.  I know we have a problem with the back community.  However, knowing all of this, I can still somehow find it within myself to admit that racism against blacks still exists.

Sorry if this shocking news offends y’all.

Again, vintage Hannitized.

While some receive adequate levels of pre-requisite material from institutes dedicated to the trades or that of higher education, he partakes from a collage of wikipedia and google.

Tell us H, your vast life experiences which make you the cognoscente of racism come from where exactly? Are you the product of some eugenic experiment which has given you an advantage over the rest of us?  Or are you merely the conjoined equivalent of two hemiplegic dwarfs destined to a life of confused and utterly contradictious ideologies?

On the one hand you rail about the prevalence of white on black racism in this country and then ignore the insolent and abusive language of a Chicago pastor.

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Please note that I am not quarreling with anyone who may have experienced racism, white or black.  Nor am I defending it…any of it.

I agree.  There are always going to be some people who act in uncivilized ways for whatever reason.  Anti “whatever” to use a yuppie term.  So, for the record, I agree that all people have exhibited racism against other people, including their own race/religion/national origin/clan (if you insist)/job/clothing worn/accent/whatever….

My points are that I believe these statistics are skewed because of under-reporting and the bias that has existed, and stated, and in official policy that it is impossible for a black person (if you wish that term) to perform a hate crime against a white person (I prefer using race vs race—negro/caucasian as opposed to shades black/white) but I’m old school.

You are the first person who has admitted that the above can happen.  My point on the FBI statistics that you referenced is that they may not have allowed or acknowledged the reverse.  Nice discussion.

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Hannitized’s recounting of his racist partner and mentor (shades of Obama?) put me in mind of this quote:

My partner was a staunch conservative.  He had pictures of himself with Dan Quayle, Newt, and a few other big wigs.  He paid a good amount for Republican fund raisers to have lunch with the candidate at the time.

You are not going to get me to condemn my friend (only his action).  He also gave a lot to the community.  He worked on board for San Leandro Boys and Girls Club, Angel Flight, YMCA, Chamber of Commerce, ect, ect.  He gave his time and money.

Hell, he even helped me, A Spanish/Italian/Mexican.  No, I am not going to condemn this guy as a human, only on his particular failure as a person/human. 

The fact that I do this does put me in a position to understand Obama.  Because any intelligent, decent human could.

racism against blacks still exists.

Duh!
racism against whites still exists, too. again: Duh!
The question is (and thanks for not being able to figure it out, even with all this help) is how pervasive it is today? Is this the US of KKK A? Or is that a gross exaggeration from a race=baiting hater?
The fact that it exists, does not mean that it is pervasive! But, thanks for playing, Pip!

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On the one hand you rail about the prevalence of white on black racism in this country and then ignore the insolent and abusive language of a Chicago pastor.

Oh, Sally…....

How many times have I stated that I condemn his outlandish, inflammatory statements?  Anything that is offensive is offensive.

What I only ask of you is this;

Can you please point out to me what YOU feel is racist about the Pastors comments?  I would like to see if you are hypersensitive to racism as many blacks are. 

Because I didn’t hear a lot of racism in his comments, only things that sounded a lot like racism and a few things that were bitter anger over being a victim of racism than condemned in my mind, far too many decent people.

I doubt that you have the honesty to have this discussion, but here I am, offering you a challenge.  Will you accept?

Everyone was old? That probably meant that they had the wisdom, dignity, and experience to mind their own busines and to let you mind yours.

Ha.  If you saw their dancing I doubt you would have used the word dignity.

My partner was a staunch conservative

and a racist. And as a linguini spined liberal, you did not let that come between you and making a buck. Priceless!

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Let’s cap: Hannitized’s business partner and mentor discriminated against blacks based on race/skin color.
Hannitized, a linguini spined liberal, did not let that come between him and making a buck.
Hannitized wishes to lecture us on racism.

Had he ever darkened the door of a church, he might have heard something about removing the log from his own eye before seeking to remove the spec from his brother’s!

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Hannitized.  Catching up on posts.  I should have used the word skewed instead of biased.  That means that the FBI has compiled the numbers they were given.
For example, do you really believe that only 5/2 reports from AL/MS?  With all the stereotypes of “southerners”?  It is a good place to start, however.

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LaydownSally:

or are are you merely the conjoined equivelant of two hemiplegic dwarves…

OMG!!  Hahaha!! You are a word-goddess….

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Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

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Duh!
racism against whites still exists, too. again: Duh!
The question is (and thanks for not being able to figure it out, even with all this help) is how pervasive it is today?

Anybody who uses the word Duh! Is either a child or an adult with the mind of a child.  It’s odd that I even bother with you.

But I do, because unfortunately there are a lot of really, really stupid people like you.  And they too deserve a fair shake.  I am not discriminatory to the dumb-shits of the world, after all.  So to me, you represent that group of minorities.

I dont think he ever used the word pervasive in this post.

So if you look at the selected quotes below, you will see exactly what his questions are, and what information he is asking for.

But here’s what I’m wondering about. I’m wondering just how many black Americans under a certain age have actually been called that word by a white person.

I have to wonder just where all this racism is that we keep getting told all about over and over again. If anyone out there can show me where someone was denied a loan just because he or she was black - and not because they may have had bad credit - please do so.

So then, how am I supposed to answer his question of if young kids are being called a nigger, if I can not provide evidence of young kids getting called a nigger?

How am I supposed to answer his question of blacks getting denied opportunity because of their color if nobody will accept answers that demonstrate blacks getting denied opportunity because of their color?

And how did you get to be so smart Gilligan?

Everyone was old…

That will be quite enough, young un’!  If you wish to throw insults my way, do so over something more substantive than my age, please.  Dissing a person over their age is no different actually than doing so because they are Black, Irish, Female, or Lutheran.

I am of an age when being told to act my age is a profound compliment.  Don’t ruin it for me!!!

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Hannitized.  Catching up on posts.  I should have used the word skewed instead of biased.  That means that the FBI has compiled the numbers they were given.
For example, do you really believe that only 5/2 reports from AL/MS?  With all the stereotypes of “southerners”?  It is a good place to start, however.

Ahh, thanks for the clarification.

I would say that it is hard for anyone to prove hate crime.  I think that you would be accurate to say that more instances of violence that could be collected for data has not been calculated.

But I have to assume that the FBI is smart enough to formulate a statistic that can be useful or reasonably accurate.

I don’t entirely disagree with you Chief, I just think Blacks endure a lot, probably more than we know.

My son’s former boss (who was a non-traditional person) regularly swore at others, using profanity toward Christians.  My son said something to him privately about it.  He stayed in his position for about a decade.  After the company was bought out, he got several well deserved promotions.  This guy, in my opinion (maybe not reported to the FBI) exhibited Anti-Christian (in this case Presbyterian) hatred.  He did it on the job, which if Anti-“homosexual” would be a crime?  but, since the FBI did not get this data, it is not included in the statistics.  I have already posted my racial bias incident which I did bring to Military Authorities and they agreed that it was.  What could H have done?  Given his two weeks notice.  Filed an OCR report.  Talked with his boss?  Say something!  Lets exchange more true instances of perceived or provable hatred.  How about on a grande scale?  7 Million Ukranians killed for their ethnicity.  500,000 tutsis killed for their height.  Millions killed because they believed in Jesus Christ.  Lets talk about multiple thousands killed not just offended by a word or look, shall we?

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It’s odd that I even bother with you.

Ditto, Pip! I used the word “duh” purposefully as to try to penetrate the thickest skull ever to present itself on SA (yours, Pip!). I figured if I appealed to your video game mentality, some semblance of reason might find purchase. No such luck!

I dont (sic) think he ever used the word pervasive in this post.

That’s the wonder of being able to think for one’s self, Pip! You can speak of concepts using different words! (This one’s for you, Pip!) Duh!
When the wrong “reverend” Wright speaks of the US of KKK A, it speaks of a pervasive racism. (I’m sorry if you are unfamiliar with the term. That’s what dictionaries are for!)
Racism is not pervasive in this country of 300 million, your handful of anecdotes notwithstanding.

I will leave your education to others here, Pip! You are too great a dullard and too content in your own ignorance for me to waste any more time with you.

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That will be quite enough, young un’!  If you wish to throw insults my way, do so over something more substantive than my age, please.

Oh don’t get your depends in a bunch, bat. 

I was just speaking in terms of a “club” atmosphere where a bunch of older people where gettin their “bump and grind” on to the R&B hits of the 80s.

This is clearly not the destination we had in mind when we headed out for the club scene.  My expression only referred to my distress of the dancing style, not a particular form of disgust.

Hannitized:

I am disappointed in you pp. But now I am starting to see how you think.

What are you talking about? 

That I told you one list only begets another?

That my experience on a Chicago bus or your bosses behavior means nothing?

Come on, man….

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What are you talking about?

That I told you one list only begets another?

That my experience on a Chicago bus or your bosses behavior means nothing?

Yes.

Pilgrim asked for the data.  Don’t give me a hard time for providing it.

I don’t know of anyone who won’t see a doctor or lawyer or dentist or accountant because of their skin color. I don’t know of anyone who objects if their kid’s teacher is black.

I don’t know of anyone who won’t stand in a grocery store line with black people and down here I see white guys holding store doors open for black people and vice versa.

I don’t know of anyone who has ever complained that a black police officer responded to his call for help instead of a white one.

Face it, Hannitized….there are instances of racism - always will be - but it is simply not one of thie things that defines this society any more, no matter what the left wants us to believe.

After all, what would they do without victims?

The future ain’t what it used to be…..

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I would say that it is hard for anyone to prove hate crime.  I think that you would be accurate to say that more instances of violence that could be collected for data has not been calculated.

Outstanding and profound statement, Hannitized.  I totally agree.  No one can prove or even come close to determining what motivated a person to steal another’s car, or rape and even murder them. 

Sometimes a person “admits” these things later.  Sometimes one can examine what one said beforehand and maybe even what one has read, but that is a stretch.  I am totally opposed to “hate” crimes.  If we would just prosecute with certainty crimes and punish 100% then they would be reduced, in my opinion and by operant conditioning principles.

Many people endure a lot.  My wife’s HS classmate was murdered (and perhaps worse) by someone we are talking about.  She gave him the keys to her car.  Senseless murder.  Hate crime?  Perhaps.  The woman was a good woman, helping all people.  These type crimes do nothing but perpetuate racial prejudices and in some cases, even hatred.  Some justifiable, on both sides.  We have got to stop this.  How?  By being brave on juries.  Guilty no matter the race/religion/clan/accent, etc. 

My middle school students “knew” OJ Simpson was guilty.  The books written after the fact outlined the prejudices of the jury pool.  The prosecutor later wrote that she had almost no chance for a conviction before the trial began.

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You are too great a dullard and too content in your own ignorance for me to waste any more time with you.

Good on ya.  Be gone with ya then laddie.

Pilgrim, I agree also. 

I don’t know of anyone who won’t see a doctor or lawyer or dentist or accountant because of their skin color. I don’t know of anyone who objects if their kid’s teacher is black.

 
We had this discussion during “diversity” training.  Any person who purposely avoided an efficient blue person who fixed cars for an orange one would be an idiot.  They would be loosing money as well as endangering their life.  As long as people are not given money for being incompetent, we have no problem.  The laws of supply and demand take care of this.  But.  There exists in this country an attitude that certain people are incapable of competing.  Here lies the rub.

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Also Bat, the reason why I said we went to the club out of curiosity was because we knew it was an older crowd.  I actually like women in their 40s…but obviously my buds wanted to chase 20-30s.

So women in their 40s arent going to be in many clubs with the 20s-30s.  That leaves the older age…which isnt a problem for me by its self.  It was a combination of things like bad music (sorry to offend), terrible dancing taste (sorry to offend) and people who didnt fit my ideal target for waist size (sorry to offend).

Didnt mean to offend bat.  Youre tougher than that….arentcha?

Because I didn’t hear a lot of racism in his comments, only things that sounded a lot like racism…

The actual challenge is to decipher this distorted logic during the ‘time-outs’ in the Texas/Miami game.

What connection is impaired when a stream of discourse enters your auricle and cochlear incoherency is the result? How is it you “didn’t hear racism” only things that “sounded like racism”?

I’ll accept you on your word that you condemned the reverends statements, though I’ll admit to not being a avid disciple of your every post, but you also castigated Rob and Pil for bringing them to the forefront of this blog-site.

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I don’t know of anyone who won’t see a doctor or lawyer or dentist or accountant because of their skin color. I don’t know of anyone who objects if their kid’s teacher is black.

Who is going to tell you that they wont?

I dunno.  Man, I lived in SF and one of my buddies who i used to surf with is now an avid hunter, and considers himself a bit of an old cowboy.  Also, conservative.

Hes said many of negative things about blacks (the kind he doesn’t like), while sitting in car full of East Indians, Filipinos and myself. 

My business partner threw blacks resume’s in the trash.  How do you avoid all of these realities?

Youre tougher than that….arentcha?

Yup!  Between the Metamucil and the Depends, I’m a regular badass… puns intended!

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

As one astute person remarked when the moderator tried to validate ABCs shameful “expose” on racial snubbing in a department store:  “it is not about skin color, but the color green.”  The store owners took a little more time with persons who appeared to have more money.  Now no one can prove it, but by virtue of the fact that the store survived their first three years sort of proves that the salesmen knew how to eye a mark. 

Personally, we were snubbed by a BMW car salesman.  We went with a Toyota, but the cost was just about the same.

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Hannitized,

You, it would seem, just choose to spend more time in the company of racists than the rest of us here.

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... but you also castigated Rob and Pil for bringing them to the forefront of this blog-site.

Because I ask them, as I have asked you to describe the racism in the remarks in question. 

You now join them in the long list of people who refuse to outline and parse the sentences made by wright, that are racist.

They constantly noted some statements as racist when they are not.  Such as, “Hillary aint never been called a nigger”.  That is not racist.  Radical, but not racist.

“who cares about what a poor black man has to face everyday in a country and a culture controlled by rich white people?” - is not racist….sounds racist…but isnt.  It is truth…as radical as nutty as it is to say.

So you go ahead and parse the sentences below and find the racism.  Please!

“it just came came to me why so many folk are hatin on Barack Obama”  “He doesn’t fit the model, he aint white he aint rich and he aint priviliged”.

“Hillary aint never had her people say she aint white enough”

Hannitized.  You are attempting to validate a correlation between the construct “conservative” and racial prejudice.  How about “liberal” and communist murderer?  Your second statement which you have repeated is that your boss through in the trash can.  There is a high correlation between black and democrat.  90% voted that way in the last few elections.  There is also a high correlation between street crime and black persons.  One reason is that they have percentages of reporting; that is caps.  When I taught school, we had to continually fill out reports of W/B B/G, etc.  What difference does it make????
We also had caps on suspensions.  They knew it and acted accordingly.

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You, it would seem, just choose to spend more time in the company of racists than the rest of us here.

Well, maybe that is true?  Or maybe you guys just aren’t keeping your eyes open or sensitive to it like I am?  Who knows?

But let’s say that I am for arguments sake.  What does that mean?  That I have conservative friends who are racist?  Doent bode well for you.  How does it reflect on me?

Well, it says that I love all people and forgive them for their misgivings, doesn’t it?  It says that I can understand that whites might have racism in their hearts but still have good in their hearts as well.  Doesn’t it?

Yes….it does. 

Therefore, is it also obvious that I can understand how anybody could realize that some Blacks may not have the fondest of feelings towards whites, who have suppressed their people….but I also see the good that they may offer as well.

So, what is your point Rodney?

You are attempting to validate a correlation between the construct “conservative” and racial prejudice.

Only in my examples of life experience, yes.  For the purposes of this debate, I can recall these examples that stick out in my memory.  Why shouldn’t I?

I know racism can exist on both sides.

And nobody commented on the little guy sayin “Neegas”??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAU4p1ZxPyE&feature=related

Nothing on “Threes Company Racial Relatons”?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5825QspDRNw&feature=related

H,

I don’t think you fully understand. I’m not going to get into the specifics and struggle over the meaning or ponder their relevance. My dispute with you is over your contentiousness with Pils’ blog and the preponderance of evidence that racism, while not completely eradicated, is in remission.

Monday will bring another day of amusement and delight at a hospital in Albuquerque, which will only marginally outweigh the frustration and anxiety. Preparatory to that excursion is a day filled with whatever entertainment which may distract our attention from the inevitable depression to follow. Debating with you does not follow that recipe.

I would appreciate your temporary pretermit and I’ll resume this discourse on Tuesday.

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Outof 300 million people, you can find enough examples of racial incensitivity (real and imagined) to will a dozen volumes or more. And many of them can be debated infinitum as to whether they represented prejudice.

That doesn’t change the fact that America has undergone profound changes, all in the direction of including those who had been excluded in the past.

Let’s not forget…

America and Western Europe probably lead the way when it comes to accepting and including people of all ethnic and religious backgrounds (except Mormons, we still have a lot of prejudice against them).

You go anywhere in Asia and you’re likely to find that people you can’t tell apart are prejudiced against each other for ethnic reasons.

Go to some places in Africa, and that prejudice may very well have led to bloodshed.

Go to latin America, and you will find that many people cary prejudice for Indians and other Latin Americans. For example, the Argentine Che Guevera had an intense dislike for Blacks, Indians and Mexicans.

I’ve been around Mexicans most of my life, and about 15 years ago I discovered that most of my friends (usually friends from work)from Mexico hated anyone from Mexico City. One guy I worked with told me that he would sooner trust a gringo with his 14 year old daughter than his son with a Chilango (someone from Mexico City).

Just as Western Europe and USA lead the way in abolishing slavery, we also lead the way in trying to rid the world of prejudice. Yes there are isolated cases, but we put a hell of a lot more effort into punishing bigots than we put into biggotry.

I haven’t read all of the comments so forgive me if this has been brought up but I am appalled at the racism found on the online gaming sites, particularly on X Box but elsewhere as well. The fact that the speakers appear to be young is most disheartening.

I also believe that the incarceration and execution rate rate for blacks versus whites can not be explained away by the rates of black on black crime. I have no specific evidence to offer but I’m pretty sure my impression is accurate.

I also believe that the black man’s lot in America has improved over the decades and that he has opportunities available that didn’t exist previously but to suggest that colour isn’t a help or hindrance depending on hue is naive IMO.

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”

Arthur Schopenhauer

Here’s another example of racism at Instapunk. I suspect that many share the writer’s opinion and don’t feel that they’re racists either.

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”

Arthur Schopenhauer

Wing Chung said:

Yes there are isolated cases, but we put a hell of a lot more effort into punishing bigots than we put into biggotry.

Well said. The days of pervasive racism are over or at the very least are dying fast. I don’t care what color my neighbor is. I care if he’s a jerk, which doesn’t seem to have a color boundary. Those come in all shapes and sizes, and colors.

The future ain’t what it used to be…..

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OK.  The only person to steal my wallet in HS was a ______ the police caught him that day.  He tried to cash my dad’s check.  His punishment?  Nothing.  I lost my original SS card, and many personal pictures and ID.  That was my first introduction to people like that.  We had a good school.  No one I knew took anything that did not belong to them.  Next?  Riding a bicycle at age 12.  I hear a commotion.  Two negroes are yelling at each other.  you nigger this and your’re a nigger back.  My first introduction to that word.  More?  The 13 year old who raped the 11 year old boy with a stick/bat.  Then the 11 year old had to endure the presence of the 13 year old because he was 505 handicapped (federal mess).
More?  How about some good stories?

Once I was giving blood.  I had two choices.  I picked the dark skinned nurse.  She turned out to be more educated.  She wanted to teach school she said, but the very first day in an urban HS, there were two fights but neither was punished.  She left.  The school lost a very good person who could have taught life skills.  I really get the idea that certain people simply do not want to learn nor work.  It is easier to steal other people’s things, act “bad” and blame “the man” for keeping him down.

More?  or less?  Each of us has hundreds of stories, but they pale to those slaves in former Soviet Union.  I visited there several times.  Stories?  More?

Certain people must stop the victim game and get to work by the rules.

Communism is evil

Hannitized: Yes, there are racists of every stripe on both the Right and Left of the political spectrum. Too many! However, it is the Liberal political philosophy and the Democrat Party that are racist in their policies and programs, the heart of liberalism is a racist heart of the worst order. It has enslaved many millions of people of color to the welfare state and crippled them through the idea they deserve preferences because they are inferior to whites.

Today, most racism is black racism directed at whites for former sins in the distant past, not experienced day-to-day racism against most blacks, but the false belief that whatever problems they face in life must be caused by hard hearted rich white people and racist white people. It is a cheap excuse by many to not get off their backsides and by hard work escape the poverty of their lives and fully participate in the American dream. Yet, Hispanics are people of color that do not, for the most part, see the fields and poverty as their inevitable destination in life. In fact they came here because they see the possibility that is America, for everyone to succeed here by hard work.

You have bought into the liberal mindset and believe widespread white racism against people of color exists, where it rarely exists at all any longer. You prefer to think you are on the side of the angels in opposing American-European racism against poor people of color, but being a liberal you are in matter of fact, an enemy of people of color, because you advance policies that harm them for generations.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Hannitized:  To summarize, people are allowed to be wary of individuals who look like those who stole from them, broke into their house, raped people, etc.
Or the comments by the minority on TV show:  “they’re like poor white trash, only black”  Again.  There are numerous examples, but my point is and still is:
only certain people are punished while others are “whipping boys” like the Duke University Lacrosse players.  Not one of the 88 professors has said they were wrong or they are sorry.  I personally emailed two of them myself.

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Neiman:  Well put, and your neutral term, people of color is a good one.

It has enslaved many millions of people of color to the welfare state and crippled them through the idea they deserve preferences because they are inferior to whites.

I also liked the comment, the Democrats and their policies have killed a thousand times more people of color than the klan ever did.

Communism is evil

Here’s another example of racism at Instapunk. I suspect that many share the writer’s opinion and don’t feel that they’re racists either.

Mike:

I read the post you linked to. I had a roomate a while back who basically said the same thing to me in private conversations. My roomate was African American, but that’s no excuse. By your standards she was racist against blacks.

Hannitized,

My Point?  Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.

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Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Can you imagine how much money Oprah could earn if this wasn’t such a racist country?

Seriously, in my lifetime, the only time I’ve ever heard the word nigger spoken out loud is from blacks to other blacks.

Can you imagine how much money Oprah could earn if this wasn’t such a racist country?

Maybe my cable company could stop the Will Smith, Samuel L. Jackson, Forrest Whitaker film festival that’s been constantly going non-stop the last few weeks?

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

I have been called kike, hebe and yid by people I was on active service with. I got over it by realizing where they came from.

GM.  Things have changed quite a bit since the 1950s when people called each other names and learned to roll with it.  There is an entire industry of victimization out there now for the special protected minorities.  Being offended is a cottage industry.  The case stated where the employer threw the applications in the trash can could have been a reaction to a theft, or worse from one of those employees that the employer bent over backwards to try and help.  We do not know what happened.  I do know that certain people have jobs merely to cover their illegal activities.

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Great link Mike.  But remember, blacks talk about blacks like this too…so you can’t hold it against a white person for calling a black a Nigger.

*sigh*

But Obama has invited us to talk about race.

Okay. I’m accepting the invitation. He can regret it at his leisure.

I don’t hate black people. I can’t pretend to be color-blind because absolutely nothing in my culture will allow me to be. I admire Thomas Sowell, Duke Ellington, Roberto Clemente, Muhammed Ali, Alexandre Dumas, Sidney Poitier, Denzel Washington, Count Basie, Tiger Woods, and Bill Cosby. There are many others but that’s a sampling of the famous folks whose courage, genius, character, and achievements I would be proud if I could get anywhere in the vicinity of. The bald truth of the matter is that they’re better than I am, and it doesn’t arouse a flicker of racial feeling in me to acknowledge it. They have enriched and elevated my own experience of life.

On the other hand, I am sick to death of black people as a group. The truth. That is part of the conversation Obama is asking for, isn’t it? I live in an eastern state almost exactly on the fabled Mason-Dixon line. Every day I see young black males wearing tee shirts down to their knees—and jeans belted just above their knees. I’m an old guy. I want to smack them. All of them. They are egregious stereotypes. It’s impossible not to think the unthinkable N-Word when they roll up beside you at a stoplight in their trashed old Hondas with 19-inch spinner wheels and rap recordings that shake the foundations of the buildings. It’s like a broadcast dare: Go ahead! Call me a nigger! And then I’ll cap your ass.

Here’s the dirty secret all of us know and no one will admit to. There ARE niggers. Black people know it. White people know it. And only black people are allowed to notice and pronounce the truth of it. Which would be fine. Except that black people are not a community but a political party. They can squabble with each other in caucus but they absolutely refuse to speak the truth in public. And this is the single biggest obstacle to healing the racial divide in this country. The dammed-up flood of good will in this nation for black people who want to work for their own American Dream is absolutely enormous. The biggest impediment is the doubt created in each and every non-black American by the clannish, tribalist, irrational defense of every low act committed by any black person. If you’re offended when Republicans defend Richard Nixon or when Democrats defend Chuck Schumer, imagine what it’s like when black people swarm the streets to defend Jeremiah Wright.

I’m not proposing the generalized use of the term, just trying to be clear for once, in the wake of Obama’s call for us to have a dialogue about race. However much they may scream and protest, black people will know what I mean when I demand they concede that the following people are niggers:

- Jeremiah Wright
- O.J. Simpson
- Marion Barry
- Alan Iverson
- William Jefferson
- Louis Farrakhan
- Mike Tyson

You know what I mean. They hold you back. They’re dirty, violent, and stupid. They make you look bad, and you foul yourselves by defending them, by reelecting them to office, by admiring them in spite of all their awful behavior.

I don’t think you fully understand. I’m not going to get into the specifics and struggle over the meaning or ponder their relevance.

Don’t you worry about what I do, and do not understand Sally.  It matters not to you anyway.

I had known what your response was going to be before you begun to type it out.

My Point?  Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.

Well, what can I say Rodney?  Some of my best friends are conservatives.

My friends are not dogs, they are human.  Just as is everyone who has fallibility’s, are human.

I admire Thomas Sowell, Duke Ellington, Roberto Clemente, Muhammed Ali, Alexandre Dumas, Sidney Poitier, Denzel Washington, Count Basie, Tiger Woods, and Bill Cosby. There are many others but that’s a sampling of the famous folks whose courage, genius, character, and achievements I would be proud if I could get anywhere in the vicinity of. The bald truth of the matter is that they’re better than I am

I don’t believe that a white racist would be saying that black people were better than him. The author of this posting used some very angry language, and I think he should have used different words for the sake of civility. But the fact is that I’ve heard more than one black person including training partners and a roomate say things like the most agregeous thing this poster has written. And frankly, we’ve probably all heard variations of all that on Def Comedy Jam and in Rap Music.

This poster made a legitimate point about how so called “representatives” of the black community rally around truly awful people.

Let’s face it. There are a lot of truly awful people who have white skin. Scott Peterson, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Chrales Manson, The BTK Killer, John Wayne Gasey, and John Edwards are all white. And most are truly awful. OK, Edwards isn’t a murderer but what he did, as a lawyer, to some innocent doctors is pretty awful.

For the most part there are no whites celebrating any of those…except Edwards. And that’s because he’s promising to tax rich people at something like a 200 percent tax rate. But aside from a few troubled loners dressed like The Crow, there’s nobody turning white scumbags into heros.

But look what happened in the black community to support OJ Simpson and Tookie Williams. OJ is walking free because of support from the community (and from his bank account). And when California went to execute Tookie Williams (a sociopath gang member who murdered an immigrant family), African-American activists and white liberal activists made a hero out of him.

Now none of my black friends gave a rat’s a$$ about Tookie, and because I have a pretty integrated circle of friends, I don’t blame any whole community for anything. But to someone with a less cosmopolitan world view, this really looks like “blacks” are rallying behind criminals and haters.

And the people who are upset about that perception aren’t just white guys.

Thanks for your honesty, Wing Chun.  I wish more people would speak out like you!

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I think that if there’s any point to be made it’s this.

Sure there are racists today.

In America, white racism is pretty much the domain of those whites at the very bottom of the socio-economic ladder. This is why you may occasionally come across a discount restaurant waiter or midnight gas station attendant who drags their employer into the news because of their stupid prejudices.

But in America…racism against minorities is usually punished.

Let’s contrast this with the rest of the world.

What kind of real racism are Tibetans facing from their Chinese overlords.

What kind of real ethnic hatred is going on in Kenya….between people the average white person couldn’t tell apart.

America and Western Europe has done more to combat racism and creat a system of true acceptance than has ever been done in the world before. And I believe this is even more true in America than in Western Europe.

Is it perfect?

No.

But nobody, I mean nobody, has done more to be accepting than America’s majority.

But nobody, I mean nobody, has done more to be accepting than America’s majority.

Well said.

The future ain’t what it used to be…..

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- Jeremiah Wright
- O.J. Simpson
- Marion Barry
- Alan Iverson
- William Jefferson
- Louis Farrakhan
- Mike Tyson

How did Alan Iverson get into this list?  What, just cause the guy has tattoos? He didn’t tattoo his face like Tyson did, at least.