Since When Does The Government Have The Power To Protect Us From Ourselves?

In Boston the local health bureaucrats are considering a smoking ban that could well put cigar bars out of business.
Let’s stop and consider that for a minute. Cigar bars are what they are. If you go to one you know what you’re getting. The exist for no other reason than to provide a comfortable atmosphere in which people can enjoy tobacco and alcohol products. Everyone going into the bar knows that it will be filled with tobacco smoke, because that’s the nature of cigar bars. And now the bureaucrats are going to try and put these bars out of business not because the smoking going on there is bothering other people or impacting their health. But because the health bureaucrats want to protect the cigar smokers from themselves.
There is no other possible way to look at this, and isn’t that a little disturbing? A board of unelected bureaucrats essentially taking away the public’s ability to enjoy tobacco in a private establishment that exists expressly for that purpose?
The argument being made by the board is that the cigar smoking jeopardizes the health of the people who work at the cigar bar. They’re calling it a “workplace smoking ban.” But here’s the thing: If they ban cigars in a cigar bar there will be no more workplace. The bar, unless it can stay open as a strictly alcohol retailing establishment, will go out of business and everyone working there will be out of a job.
This ban also seeks to ban the sale of tobacco on college campuses (because our college kids are too dumb to make decisions about smoking for themselves, apparently) and for some bizarre reason drug stores.
All, again, to protect the public from itself.
Now, when it comes to smoking, I’m willing to listen to people who don’t like smoking and don’t want to be confronted by it in public. But when the debate over smoking moves from public spaces like parts and sidewalks and into private establishments we’re starting to talk about prohibition. We’re starting to talk about infringing upon the ability of free citizens to enjoy a perfectly legal product within the confines of their own property.
That’s just not right.

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  • http://Array RebTex

    Can’t you put your addiction aside for just one thread?
    Please?

  • dragon poker

    Same old nanny state bullshit. Both parties play these games and it makes me sick, especially from conservatives and Republicans. Prohibitionists are all they are. Whether its drugs, alcohol, cigars and tobacco products, sex, or any other vice you can think of, they pretend that they have the right to control others lives and personal behaviors in the name of the greater good. Thats all a bunch of bullshit. What they really are are insecure dolts who are not comfortable unless everyone is just like them. The problem starts when we realize that these same people dont really live life, they are scared of everything, and they cant comprehend a world that doesnt conform to the narrow, boring, milktoast existence that they often insist on leading. We have a few of these false conservative nanny state dipshits around here. Im sure anyone who reads this and knows some of the personalities around here would be able to identify these dolts right away. They too often espouse certain conservative ideologies while ignoring the most basic premise of conservative thinking, personal freedom and self determination. All the rest of conservative ideology is based on this simple concept.
    These self serving individules and others like them who spout off about good solid conservative concepts while ignoring this most basic rule are not real conservatives. Ignoring this most basic premise makes the rest of what they say just self serving blather, and shows no consistency of thought in terms of ideology. They are hypocrites of the highest order, and therefore are not credible in terms of other issues.

  • di butler

    dragon poker,

    Hate everyone much? I am a ex-prescription drug addict, ex-smoker. I have been there, but I don’t hate people that make sensible rules. This is a thread about stupid rules. Try to follow w/o all your personal issues coloring your thoughts. It will hopefully make more sense to you.

  • di butler

    I’m pretty sure, not positive, that she didn’t actually voluntariy eat the worm. Who knows? Maybe she lied, maybe she’s a freaky type. Maybe she thought it was the tequila worm. Maybe she likes worms. She may go out in her yard and scoops off the piles of dog shit and digs in the dirt and fishes out night crawlers when no one is watching. Maybe she’s screwing the health inspector and he got po’d at her and slipped her a worm? Twice?

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    i think that if one decides to kill them self with smoking, more power to them. we shouldn’t be trying to ban cig’s or cigars. that’s just mentally retarded and robbing American’s of there right to pursue happiness (in a sense). let the sons of bitches smoke god dam it!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Wow that’s a horrible story, di.

    The only way to rectify that problem is cut taxes and regulation.

    Get the government health inspectors off our backs. The free market will correct itself.
    If people don’t want brain worms, they will just stop eating at places that serve brain worms.

    When will people start taking personal responsibility seriously and stop eating brain worms?

    I say cut taxes and health regulations.

    Freedumb is on the march.

  • RebTex

    We don’t know when we’re maybe being exposed to some contaminant in our food.

    “It’s *NOT* for a cop”
    /Super Troopers

  • Cass.Mastha

    I completely agree. Can’t we just tell them No?

  • RebTex

    BTW
    Doesn’t obama smoke?

  • http://www.fileitunder.com/ Rob B.

    My father in law is a public health official and this is his personal soap box. He says that smoking bans in bars is a waste of effort. It adds workload to inspectors that need to be working on enforcement for food vendors, where the greater public health risk lies.

    His point, which I agree with, is there is more danger in people getting something in their food that they don’t expect causing life threatening illness. The respitory effect on people due to smoking, is much less likely to cause life threatening illness without continued exposure.

  • di butler

    I saw a video clip a few weeks back, some of you probably saw it, it was a woman who had a worm in her brain! She got it from either undercooked pork, or from having food prepared by someone who didn’t wash their hands after using the restroom. They didn’t elaborate past this, but in order for the hand washing thing be a problem, the food preparer would have to have the worms in his intestinal tract, then defecated, got his hands soiled, then didn’t wash them. Hmmm. Let’s see, exposure to cigar smoke or brain worm. I’ll go for the possible lung cancer.

  • Zakk

    So when the government can FORCE a PRIVATE business to go non-smoking and use the ‘public health’ as a reason, that is ok?

    Now the government has come across a type of bar that basically has a sign as big as day outside that says, SMOKING IN HERE – BIG FAT CIGAR SMOKE INSIDE – IF YOU ENTER YOU WILL BE EXPOSED TO SMOKE, and people still went in and had a good time. So, what does government do? They come up with another stupid reason to tell a PRIVATE BUSINESS how to run it’s business.
    You may get ashes in your food? Are they serious? In that case we should shut down all restaurants cause you might wind up with an employee who doesn’t wash their hands after using the restroom or maybe a mouse found it’s way into the kitchen and has brought along with it some kind of disease.

    Well, I guess we should all get used to this, the government is only going to keep growing with the latest cast of characters we have coming to the stage.

    Good night, and good luck.

  • RebTex

    I’d figger if she was p.o’d, there’d be no worm slippin’ going on

  • dragon poker

    On the issue of smoking, it’s the under-fed, pale-skinned, weak-assed liberals that want to ban smoking.

    If only that were true.

    are you saying that “conservatives” and “Republicans” are the 2 parties that make you sick?

    Nope, I am talking about cons/Republicans who advance this sort of nannystate bullshit. I expect it from Dems, but we get it from both sides. Its about alot more than just smoking.

  • dragon poker

    dragon poker,
    Hate everyone much? I am a ex-prescription drug addict, ex-smoker. I have been there, but I don’t hate people that make sensible rules. This is a thread about stupid rules. Try to follow w/o all your personal issues coloring your thoughts. It will hopefully make more sense to you.

    Your condescending tone it noted. As a recovering/recovered drug addict, do you think that because your personal weaknessess and genetic propensity was exposed, that all others should lose the right to do as they like with themselves? Does your personal experience make you the rule or the exception? I say it doesnt matter because personal freedom and self determination are the cornerstones of true conservative thought and practice. To say that because you or someone else is unable to control themselves, that should disallow certain ideas of conservative thought? Just because you personally were not able to function and succeed under those very concepts? Why are you that important? What makes yor personal experiance more important than the concept that we are all personally responsible for ourselves, and that we all should have the freedom to do as we wish with our bodies and minds, and that personal responsibility cant be proliferated when the nanny state makes arbitrary decisions for us all. We all have our right to succeed of fail, and we all have the right to explore what is right for ourselves as individules.
    We also must be responsible for the mistakes we make. How can we as a people learn these concepts when others decide for us what is and isnt correct, and we never get the chance to make those important discoveries?

    Try to follow w/o all your personal issues coloring your thoughts. It will hopefully make more sense to you.

    Your ignorant and dismissive assumptions of what my “personal issues” are or are not have no bearing on the fact that prohibitionists are by nature not conservative. They are control obsessed and fear driven, much like many ultra-liberals I have known. Your fear of your own demons should not infringe on others freedoms.

  • RebTex

    Both parties play these games and it makes me sick, especially from conservatives and Republicans. Prohibitionists are all they are. Whether its drugs, alcohol, cigars

    are you saying that “conservatives” and “Republicans” are the 2 parties that make you sick?
    On the issue of smoking, it’s the under-fed, pale-skinned, weak-assed liberals that want to ban smoking.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    “realitybased”bob – Freedumb is on the march.

    Is that supposed to be intelligent or something?

    You’ve got over 19,000 days on this Earth, and you still go on as if you had a little more than 2,000.

  • di butler

    Locke person,

    That’s the most intelligent thing I have seen you write on this blog. Kudos.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The respitory effect on people due to smoking, is much less likely to cause life threatening illness without continued exposure.

    Also, we know when we’re being exposed to smoking.

    We don’t know when we’re maybe being exposed to some contaminant in our food.

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