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Shoving Entitlements Down Throats

Good grief…

Claridon Township—Tim Taylor’s job calls for finding ways to distribute food stamps to Geauga County’s Amish. He might as well be trying to sell them cars.

The horse-and-buggy crowd philosophically opposes the support program overseen by Taylor’s agency, the Geauga Department of Job & Family Services. Accepting public assistance is verboten within the Amish culture. It simply is not done.

But Taylor is under orders to at least try to get them enrolled. The Ohio Department of Job & Family Services has asked Geauga and Holmes counties, which feature the state’s largest Amish populations, to lift dismal food-stamp participation rates.

Has anyone even bothered to consider the idea that maybe the Amish don’t need foodstamps? That maybe “dismal food-stamp participation rates” are an indication of a sound economy where people are capable of providing for themselves?

I’ve never understood why the government markets entitlement programs (I especially don’t understand why they’d market them to people who aren’t even citizens, but that’s a topic for another post).  Making government assistance available is one thing, but hawking it as though they were selling a “get rich quick” program or something is quite another.  I know why they do it, though.  It’s because they use enrollment numbers to justify the entitlements.  They point to the number of people getting food stamps and say, “Look at all the people we’ve helped.”

But that’s a rather backward way of looking at entitlements.  We shouldn’t be gaging the success of social policy by the number of people we can get signed up for government assistance.  We should be gaging social policy on the number of people who don’t need government assistance.

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Rob: You nailed it.  It is a sign of the success of our economy that fewer people need food stamps.  BTW, you are right; the Amish don’t need them at all.  In the mistaken govt consciousness, they are classified as a “needy minority” when they aren’t needy at all.  Typical govt attitude.  The govt needs to sell their programs, and the last thing they want is for people to need less from them.  As conservatives, on the other hand, that is our goal: to make it so fewer people need govt help.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 18, 2006 at 03:15 pm
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Food stamp enrollment climbed from 17.2 million in 2000 to 25.7 million in 2005.

WOOF on October 18, 2006 at 03:35 pm

Woof: No doubt due to advertising, paid for by our taxes.  Feel good about that?  They are also advertising them in Spanish, so the illegals know how to get them.  I know that is exactly how I want them to spend my confiscated earnings(not).


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 18, 2006 at 03:43 pm

Woof:

Food stamp enrollment climbed from 17.2 million in 2000 to 25.7 million in 2005.

You neglected to mention how many illegals entered the country between 2000 and 2005.  Might be enlightening.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 18, 2006 at 03:45 pm
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The Amish don’t need food stamps, but the lazy social workers need their cushy jobs!

Kevin Flanagan on October 18, 2006 at 05:09 pm
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Mad shoutouts to my peeps in Geauga (yeah, I grew up there and still can’t spell it).

jpe on October 18, 2006 at 05:14 pm
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were waiting for day-old bread and frozen dinners packaged in slightly damaged boxes. These families are among a growing number of military households in San Diego County that regularly rely on donated food.

Many military families rely on donated goods

We should be gaging social policy on the number of people who don’t need government assistance.

WOOF on October 19, 2006 at 03:33 am

Actually Woofie, joining the military is a good job right out of college.  I don’t see many jobs at that age where you’re able to afford raising a family.

So if you’re 18 join up, live on base, get free medical and dental it’s a good start.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 19, 2006 at 03:44 am

Woof: As usual, you don’t get it.

We should be gaging social policy on the number of people in the private sector who don’t need government assistance.

Soldiers are in the public sector.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 04:02 am

It would definitely be a good idea to redirect some social engineering money, say, “The War on Poverty”, to military families, where it might do some good.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 04:04 am

Robert I would rather see money go to the military than social spending, but....

Do we want married privates or unmarried privates in the army?


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 19, 2006 at 04:19 am

TW: I think I understand your point, but let’s reflect on the differences between law enforcement personnel and military personnel:  In the military, the soldiers are separated from their spouses, so they are anxious to kill the bad guys in order to get home as soon as possible.  The law enforcement guys go home to their families most every night, and so want to avoid the bad guys.  That is why soldiers run toward the sound of gunfire, and the police would rather avoid it.
That is the primary reason for using soldiers to fight terrorism, rather than law enforcement.  Nothing wrong with law enforcement, but they are not the right guys for fighting a war.  Better for them to keep the peace.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 04:29 am
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you don’t get it.

Rob’s words, not mine.

WOOF on October 19, 2006 at 04:30 am

Woof: When I wrote “You don’t get it.”, I was referring to your trying to turn a positive(fewer people needing public assistance) into a negative by trying to associate people in the public sector(military personnel) with people in the private sector(like the Amish, who were the original subject of this thread).  Understand?  Who made the statement you were trying to spin isn’t the relevant thing here.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 04:53 am

Robert:  I just don’t think we should reflect the cost of raising a family in a recruits first enlistment.  I think that’s an unnecessary use of funds. 

An average recruit is certainly paid better than an average 18 year old.

I don’t begrudge that but I don’t think we should be expecting them to be raising a family.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 19, 2006 at 05:29 am

TW: I think it is money well invested in the future of our country, unlike social spending.  They should be well paid, and facilitated to raise families, if they choose.  BTW, what’s the going rate for risking life and limb for your country?


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 05:42 am
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It should be remembered as well that most of the Amish are primarily FARMERS.  Yes, many do side jobs like carpentry when not actively tilling the soil, but isn’t it a wonderful sign of insanity that we’re trying to give food stamps to people whose very job is to grow food?

Robert Perry on October 19, 2006 at 05:57 am

Robert: They are also very good at it.  They tend to be prosperous, and to acquire land.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 05:59 am

Robert:  I think the first level of enlistments should be primarily unmarried people.  After they want to make a career of it (or at least more of a committment) we should fund the jobs like a career job.

I do that as I think that having soldiers without a lot of baggage is a good thing.

You don’t think that way.  I see your point but on balance I don’t agree.  That’s ok with me if it’s ok with you.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 19, 2006 at 06:04 am

TW: Nothing wrong with disagreement.  There are those who think unmarried warriors are more fearless, and then there are those who think married warriors are more motivated.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 06:17 am
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