Should Welfare Applicants Be Drug Tested Before Receiving Assistance?

I’m not a huge fan of the let’s-drug-test-everybody-because-we-can line of thinking.
It seems, though, that a local lawmaker here in the New Orleans area wants anyone applying for welfare to be drug tested and come up clean before they can get assistance. From this morning’s Times Picayune, the liberal rag that passes for a newspaper down here:

Rep. John LaBruzzo wants the state to require drug tests of all new applicants for the state’s primary welfare program, with those who fail denied benefits until they complete a required counseling program.
The state currently screens applicants through interviews and questionnaires, with only those suspected of drug activity being tested. Those applicants can still get Temporary Assistance for Needy Families immediately, as long as they comply with the state-paid treatment program. They are denied benefits only if they refuse the counseling-treatment program or when they fail to meet its requirements.

Sounds good, eh? I mean, we all know that welfare is a huge burden on the taxpayer, and that welfare fraud is rampant. And the fact is that many of the folks on welfare are also drug users. A politically incorrect fact, but a fact nonetheless. BUT – here’s my problem with this.
In order to save money we’re creating a program and an agency to test our potential welfare recipients for drugs. Okay, that’s another government agency created, which will no doubt be run with the razor sharp efficiency we all know our government utilizes in just about everything they do. And then – if they don’t pass, they have to go to a treatment program. Which means the creation – or at least the expansion of – yet another government entity to monitor their progress.
I don’t know about you, but it looks to me like we’ve had about all of the government efficiency we can stand lately.
Tell you what, though…..let’s start drug testing our lawmakers. You know, the guys who just got us into trillions of dollars of debt that will last for generations. We’re worried whether or not someone who gets a few hundred bucks a month may be on drugs. Why not worry whether or not the fools on the Hill who have their hands on the entire future of this country are clean and sober as well because I tell you what – it sure as hell doesn’t look like it to me.
And, yeah, that includes state lawmakers as well. When all of the above start peeing in little cups to show us how honorable and trustworthy they are, then it can, if you’ll pardon the expression, trickle down to the welfare mom who needs to put food on the table.
I’m not really against drug screening for welfare applicants although the whole seach-without-cause thing makes me uneasy. BUT – don’t want screened, don’t apply. Simple, really. But before we test the first one, I want to see our politicians tested.
I’d like to see just how many of them really just say no to drugs.
What say you?

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  • http://Array robert108

    I would favor mandatory drug testing for all govt employees and welfare recipients.
    Better yet, let’s just cut out most social spending and reduce the number of govt employees by at least 50%.

  • 11B40

    Greetings:

    Back in the Bronx of the last ’60s, I had a very casual acquaintance with a heroin addict who was fond of saying, “I don’t have a drug problem, I have a money problem.”

    Now, I live in the San Francisco Bay area. Until recently, that city was providing assistance of several hundred dollars a month to addicts under a number of “disability” and “homeless” programs. Nice work, if you can get it.

  • Buzz

    I think we need to get these people into help

    They don’t need help, they need sterilized.

  • SigFan

    mandatory testing for welfare recipients seems a bit draconian to me, and we absolutely don’t need another government boondoggle program that’ll never go away. I do like the idea of testing for politicians though, after all they do have the ability to cause enormous public harm, whether it was intended or not.

    Wonder if the PSIC (Pot-Smoker-In-Chief) would test negative?

  • bustoff

    Once they have the ability to do mass drug tests, who knows who they will subject to it next.

    The government already conducts “mass drug tests” on every one of their employees when they are hired. Obama is all about the conditional distribution of government money? Fine. Then it follows that anyone receiving government money should undergo random drug testing. You want a check from Uncle Sam the first Tuesday of every month? Then lay off the bong, the needle, or the crack pipe. Otherwise, try your luck getting a loan at a bank.

  • Pilgrim

    Try staying on topic this time Buzz. Testing or no?

  • http://www.bismarckmandanblog.com/ clintf

    Hey, the government is putting all kinds of conditions on the money it gives corporations; why not put all kinds of conditions on the individuals receiving money as well? Two can play at this game.

    Cf

  • Pilgrim

    Rob,

    What about the people who enable the leaching? I agree that a private employer should have the right set the parameters and standards of who he hires. So….shouldn’t we demand that our elected officials, who we basically hired through elections, submit to screening as well?

    Of do we reserve that for us little people while the royalty dictate from above?

    I think, if suddenly we could test our senators and congressmen we’d be appalled at the results.

  • robert108

    …but not starve them while doing it.

    They don’t spend our tax money on food, Gene. This sounds like those who whined about Iraqi children starving while Saddam built more palaces.

  • http://www.toadpond.com/ SuperToad

    I am for it. But not while the Left is in charge — for the very reasons Rob mentions. I abhor government “creep”, the slow, steady expansion of the government that the Left and the RINO’s are known for foisting upon us.

    In order to keep gummint agencies from spreading like the cancer they already are, testing and data tracking should be done by civilian contractors. (Hey! Create or save xxxx jobs! Wasn’t that the rally cry of the Porkulus).

    We have more welfare recipients than ever. Continuing down the same path will only make it worse. And we know what is going on. Everyone knows that the money is — in a large percentage of the cases — going to be used as funding for drug addicts/users. Handing out this money, knowing where it will go, and refusing to do something about it is simply aiding and abetting the crime itself.

    I look at this in a manner like Rob looks at the Fargo flood problems. Do something now to stop more problems later.

    Yes, it’s going to cost money. We have allowed Welfare to be given out without strings attached (TARP, anyone?) for so long, and what do we have to show for it? Not a lot, really. So much for this “War on Poverty” (Oh crap. That should be “Domestic Indigence Contingency”).

    It’s a balancing act.

    According to the article quoted by Rob, there is no starving of the applicant if they fail:

    Those applicants can still get Temporary Assistance for Needy Families immediately, as long as they comply with the state-paid treatment program.

    There is a choice to be made. And the choice to keep clean comes with or without a gummint stipend.

    Besides, think of all the business it will create for those companies that make the blood and urine narcotics-hiding chemicals.

  • Carol

    People in lots of career fields are required to be drug tested. If a person is going to make a career out of welfare he should be drug tested.

  • realtor

    YES, YES, YES! Lots of Jobs require drug testing, if they get a check, they need to be tested. Our leaders all say, “oh the children, they will go hungry”, guess what, they sell the food stamps & spend the money on drugs & booze & the children still go hungry. It should be manditory that anyone who has a child should be required to take care of it, if they can’t without assisance, then they should not be allowed to have them.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    I am NOT in favor of drug testing. I think we need to get these people into help but not starve them while doing it.

    It’s a balancing act.

  • END GAME

    Yes! And so should congress with the decisions they are making right now they must be on drugs.

  • Buzz

    We should look to Mao and his remedy for our own drug problem in the US.

  • bustoff

    bustoff
    why not ban alcohol consumption too? and fatty foods. and everything else.

    Whoa there, Sparkie! You’re up in my wheelhouse now. You can have my beer when you pry the empty bottle out of my shaking hands.

    Seriously, you’re not trying to draw a comparison between illegal drug use and alcohol and fatty foods, are you? Drug testing is the standard for government employment. It should also be the standard for government support.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Clint
    Your emotional little passionate reaction clearly misses the point. Start being rational and stop being a little passion-driven, knee-jerk creampuff.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    bustoff
    why not ban alcohol consumption too? and fatty foods. and everything else.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Once they have the ability to do mass drug tests, who knows who they will subject to it next.

    There are ‘in principle’ reasons for not supporting this and Rob has hit on them.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    SuperToad:

    I am for it. But not while the Left is in charge

    It doesn’t matter who is in charge. The abrogations of the public’s primacy in their own lives engaged in by one side, always lead to the abrogations next put into practice by their successors. No such drug testing should be done unless the welfare recipient is arrested, tried, and convicted of a drug offense. When that happens if the judge rules them free to be in society, but ordered to counseling, then that will handle the drug testing which will be ordered naturally. No, I would not go along with merely being arrested. Accusation isn’t conviction. Innocent until proven guilty.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    If I’m a private employer, I have every right to require drug testing as a condition for employment.

    As a taxpayer, I should also have the right to demand that people looking to leach off my prosperity at least be sober before they do it.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    suitepotato is correct contra supertoad. supertoad changes his principles based on whos in power. those aren’t principles then. that makes you principle-less. you must not believe in justice as you have no principles.

    the lack of principles and the temporary, passionate/emotional solutions are EXACTLY WHAT SUCKED SO FUCKING MUCH ABOUT BUSH.

  • Tim

    A larger percentage than not in the welfare system are drug users . And most are hardcore addicts and by that I mean heroin ,and other opiates of the like,along with marajuana and alcohol.what the welfare system is basically doing is enabeling the drug user by giving them an income to buy drugs. Therefore i think that if they are going to get welfare they should be tested.
    And I dont actually think it will create more gov. jobs they,the recipient would have a blood test
    Which is less expensive than testing the urine,and is a lot more difficult to be evacive with for exampe the way drug users use others clean urine for ther own.when with a blood test it is a lot tougher to get a neg. result when positive.this test would be done at a lab .As for the treatment it could be done in the communitys drug program which would be local gov. and if the recipient went through a rehab program and were succesfully completed then may recieve benifit but have suprise drug test whenever ask to ,making sure they are on the right track to get thereself together.This is a great country and it is falling apart we americans need to bring it back to her glory.There are a lot of things are elected officials need to dois to remember. We The People

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