Rodney Graves: Excuse me, but I was being hyperbolic concerning the BW burning of used book stores. I see people like you fail to detect that considering the barrage of BS your fear instilling, hyperbolic, demagogues Rush “Fat-Ass Pill-Popper” Limbaugh, Bull O’Really and Ann Coultergeist vomit forth into your minds daily.

I’ll interpret your reaction for you:
“Hey guys. Lets ignore the direct and scary implications of rewriting word definitions and focus our ad hominem attacks onto those whom we disagree with. ‘Go away you UnAmerican Commie! We don’t like your kind of Freedom of Speech around here!’”

Like spelling and grammar?

Likwidshoe, I am not playing stupid games. I take debating these important issues very seriously. For the life of me I can’t understand your defense of chicken-hawk conservatives. They are willing to send others to fight but will not fight themselves. I as a proud liberal, am infuriated at many who went to Canada
during Vietnam not out of principle but to save there rear ends. I do not believe my remarks about chicken-hawks was partisan. Folks who send others to fight or believe in the cause but do not go are the scum of the earth.

For the life of me I can’t understand your defense of chicken-hawk conservatives.

In the first place, your schoolyard namecalling is simply that. In a free country, no one has to pass your “test” to advocate any position they wish. As I explained previously, not everyone who wants to fight the war against terrorism could serve, even if they wanted to, and they have the right to support a war against terrorism, despite what you may think.
The bottom line is that you are trying to win by insult, when you know damn well we have to fight the terrorists, and that we have the support of the American people to do so. Put that where the sun don’t shine, Davinski.

Being allowed to serve your country is not a punishment or test of patriotism. It’s an honor and privilege that you earn by being a good Citizen.

The pay and life in a military barracks, or a tent in Iraq for that matter, would be a significant step up for most of the illegal immigrants entering this country from any place.

We could end up with an infiltrated military. How would you like to wake up one day and realize that 50% of your soldiers are from China, N. Korea, Russia, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Cuba, Venezuela, etc? Do you think that, given the opportunity, China wouldn’t think about this?

I was under the impression we do it now. My cousin’s husband, a German, attended college here and wanted to stay and become a citizen, so he joined the Air Force and earned his citizenship as a fighter pilot. He says he wanted to serve Americans because it was an American pilot who rescued him from the rubble of Berlin 1945-46 when he was 4 years old, left an orphan to starve on the streets.

The Navy is full of Philippinos who join in order to become U.S. citizens.

I’m sure there are many others who do the same.

If a man or woman serves six honorable years in the uniform of this country I think that citizenship would be well deserved.

Ah, allow criminals to join the military, pay them, feed the, give them the best medical care, educate them, all so they can become legalized United States citizen criminals? Great idea! Why didn’t I think of that?

I don’t know that I’d want to do this. Certainly we could have a limited portion of enlistment slots for foreign nationals with good character, as we do now, but I don’t know about a “foreign legion” in the French model.

For starters, the Legion has embodied all of the unsavory things about mercenary armies; bad behavior, inclusion of criminals, and so on. It’s not for no reason that France does not allow it to fight on French soil.

Next, it provides a “disposable” unit of soldiers for our country; sorry, but every Congress and President that contemplates going to war ought to be confronted with the thought of grieving widows and mothers in their own home town. In other words, extensive use of foreign mercenaries reduces the perceived costs of war, and I view that as a bad thing.

Third, you’ve got to keep it within limits; we do not wish to end up like Rome, dependent upon the Goths to protect us from the Huns, and wondering why the Roman/Gothic army suddenly disappeared and Attila was camping on the Tiber.

In other words, if we want to have a republic, we need to be the ones to keep it.

Folks who send others to fight or believe in the cause but do not go are the scum of the earth.

This is an incredible stupid statement. No one except the president (he is the commander of all our military forces, you know) made the decisions of where we would wage the war against terrorism. I may not agree with his decesions but unlike you, I do respect them.

In case you have forgotten, this country was attacked without announcement or provocation on 9/11/2001. That attack put our country into a state of war. At that point the president has 2 very important roles; how to defend our country from further attacks and how to retaliate. For retaliation, the president may the very intelligent decision to take the war to the enemy who were bunkered in Afghanistan and were at least partially funded by Saddam. The fact that we have had no successful terrorist attacks since 9/11/2001 indicates how well the defense programs have worked. On the offensive side, the president decided that it could be fought with an all volunteer military. So contrary to your idiotic statement, no one has sent (forced) others to fight and we all greatly benefit from the ones that have given their time and lives to fight for our country.

The Denver Post article reported:

“[T]he citizenship of 16,031 members of the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines is listed as ‘unknown.’ That’s about one in 100 active-duty military members who might be U.S. citizens, legal immigrants – or just about anybody else.”

This was a few years back so I wonder if it’s improved any

Oh, and I never said Arabs(a non-existent race)were the majority of security personnel in the ME. You clearly know this, and know what nationality the majority of security personnel in the ME are, else you would not have spewed this lie. And once again showing to all the world what a lying cocksucker you are. Dhimmi is as dhimmi does(says).

And to join I’m pretty sure they have to already have a green card. What I’m saying is that this could be one stop shoppig. Enlist in our version of the Foreign Legion and automatically get a green card. Complete four or six years of service and get citizenship.

That’s what they told me when I signed up to fight the Bugs on Klandathu.

Damn bugs. My whole family was in Buenos Aires when they attacked.

robert108,

Far easier to educate and assimilate foreigners via the Armed Forces to arrive at productive American Citizens than to re-educate the average leftard.

And, as to the specific plan, forming units of specific ethnic/religious denominations, that idea does have merit. Just not using US citizenship as the draw. How many problems could have been side stepped in Iraq, had we recruited heavily among the Iraqi expatriate community. Speaking the native tongue, all 6 of them. There is a good start. Placing latrines so that men are not facing towards Mecca when they urinate. There is a tip that can save your live in some ME countries. As will knowing how to pronounce the ingredients of salad. And what to use as dressing. That one can spare you the embarrassment of falling down full of 7.62mm holes.

The Gurkhali model would in fact not be bad, as long as we treat the veterans of said units better than England is treating the Gurkhas.

This is actually one of the more acceptable options to me. If someone wants to become a citizen so bad that they are willing to serve in the US military for 4-6 years then I say they have earned their citizenship.

Bat One, I tip my hat to all who answered the call, including the conservatives on this board. My beef isn’t with them. It is with folks like Dick Cheney, who had”other priorities” during the Vietnam war. And with folks who claim this war is imperative to win, like many college Repubs. If it is so important then they should get their but down to the recruitment office.

This idea worked flawlessly when the Romans and Ottomans tried it. Didn’t it?

One would expect that a male citizen of miliary age who believes a war was critical enough to his nation’s survival to send men and women his age to fight and die, that this man would rush to aid in the defense of his nation.

The primary reason Rome fell was the privledged citizenry was too comfortable with bread and circuses to fight for their society’s survival. Citizens were complacent and let mercinaries and foreigners decide their country’s fate.

Sound familiar?

How a male war-supporter between the age of eighteen and thirty who goes clubbing and plays with his Nintento Wii lives with himself, while kids are choking on dust and subsidizing his freedoms in the desert, is beyond me.

Like spelling and grammar?

Bad example – from some of the comments posted here, it appears that those subjects are not taught at any public school.

Nancy: I imagine you are too ignorant to realize this, but it’s you lefties who are the real fascists, with your favored groups, special rights and totalitarian govt. Conservatives, on the other hand, support the US Constitution(hardly a fascist document), individual independence, economic and personal freedom, religious and political freedom, and a representative republic form of govt of limited size. None of what we represent is anything resembling fascism, whereas you lefties are the epitome of fascists in action.

You got BDS something fierce, davi.

As for this topic, foreign nationals have used service in our military as a route to citizenship for decades. And it is a good way for those who want to come here and become Americans. You rarely get a citizen with an entitlement mentality in this method.

And yes, I have know many who came this route, from at least 9 countries.

56 Comments and no mention of Blackwater-USA, Bush’s own Schutzstaffel, as a candidate vehicle citizenship through armed service? I can see why considering you have to be psychotic, white and Conservative/Christian to become a member. With those prerequisites BW-USA no doubt shoot any brown people before they could say ‘¿Qué?’.

Yes, Nancy, Herr Schicklgruber did hate the communists, but keep in mind that it’s a hate like that between brothers. The major difference between socialism and fascism is who holds the title deed to the factory and who realizes the profits from its production. Otherwise, either is the exaltation of the state over the liberty of the individual.

I was also mis-taught that fascism is of the right, and perhaps if you take a look at a certain point of history, it is. That said, “rightist” polices vary across the board today, so using that phrase that your definition uses…well…is like saying something is bigger than a gnat. Not terribly descriptive.

robert108 said, “Conservatives support individual independence through keeping leftie totalitarianism in check.”

Close. But any single party system would revert into an totalitarian government. The Republicans (not all Republicans are Conservative) keep the Democrats in check and vise versa. Left or Right affiliation has no more effect on a government becoming totalitarian than does your favorite ice-cream flavor. See: Hitler vs Stalin

robert108: I agree. Attempting to suppress individual independence IS the stock in trade of Fascist-Conservatism.

Wrong. Conservatives support individual independence through keeping leftie totalitarianism in check. Your Marxism is showing.

We could end up with an infiltrated military. How would you like to wake up one day and realize that 50% of your soldiers are from China, N. Korea, Russia, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Cuba, Venezuela, etc? Do you think that, given the opportunity, China wouldn’t think about this?

More liberal scare tactics while you inexpertly build a strawman that has no substance. And your solution to this ghastly phenomena is???? The draft??? Oh, no, that might mean that YOU and your fellow draft-dodging liberals would have to serve. I think I’ve got it. We could dismantle the military. That would
leave our country defenseless but we wouldn’t have to worry about those pesky infiltrating foreigners.

Bat: In this comment thread, Nancy exhibits two qualities of leftie “discourse”, which are: changing the subject to inject her deranged ideology, no matter what the original subject was, and when any information refutes her ideology, she attacks the source of the information, using tinfoil hat type conspiracy crap.
Pathetic, but typical.

Lefties lie; it’s all they have.

R108,

Perhaps just as important as the correct definition of fascism, which you list, is the frst date of the entry, in this case Webster’s 2nd Unabridged International, dated 1921.

It is difficult to imagine that anyone would be ignorant enough to consider a country in which purposeful slime such as the MoveOn.org/NYT anti-Petraeus ad is tolerated to be in any way fascist. Nor does the current administration of President Bush qualify, even remotely, given his stand on open borders and “immigration reform”, free market capitalism and reduced taxes and government regulation of economic matters. Hardly “nationalistic”, “autocratic”, “dictatorial”, or even remotely inclined toward “forcible suppression of opposition.”

Nancy,

You are not only woefully ignorant, but a major league fool as well. That you insist on rhetorically brandishing that fact is a sad commentary on whatever modest amount of sense you may have been born with. Take Rodney’s advice. Get medical help.

Auf Englisch, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, oder NSDAP, bedeutet National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

Hitler’s attack on the Stalin’s Soviet Union had nothing to do with any sort of ideological enmity between Soviet communism and German National Socialism, but mere megalomania instead.

Similarly, Stalin’s distrust of Hitler’s intentions had everything to do with the long history of Russian invasion from the West, and nothing to do with ideology.

nanci, Oxford Universal Dictionary, circa 1950. Your Marxist cultural deconstruction is bullshit. Fascism is from the political left, as is the socialism you spew with every comment you post. National Socialism, the system of government you hold such high esteem for, is politically Left not Center or Right. Your changing of definitions is simply another manifestation of your blind hatred for America and any who refuse to bow down to you and your Socialist Utopian nightmare.

And I checked the dictionary.com you use, their definition is the same as the one I posted from 1950. And the same as the Websters from 1946. And the Websters from 1973. So it is clear that you are lying. As you socialists always do. It is all you have, lies and obfuscation.

robert108 & other Fascist-Conservatives: Have you observed, with your own two eyes, an anti-war protest? You might consider those pinkos as the furthest left of the left, right? Well, I’ve had the privilege to observe one a few weeks ago while visiting Washington D.C. The only thing that was ‘collective’ about them was that they all took some time away from their bongs and Spongebob reruns to arrive in the same place at the same time.

The anti-war rally was nothing but a babble of fruity expressionism and exhibitionism. Each person speaking at the podium and in the crowd was showing that THEY were the epitome of individuality. And it is this feeling individuality that makes them completely non-cohesive and ineffective. In effect an anti-collective. Fucking pushovers. Each person was focusing on whatever got their jollies off. The only common thread was that they all hate Bush as much as they do this blatantly fallacious Iraq war. If you think lefties are a ‘collective’ I’m not sure we’re talking about the same people here…

At the same time down the street there was an anti-anti-war protester protest (ha-ha, how diluted can you get?). Each one carried an American flag and all their speakers at the podium and those in the crowd all agreed that ‘the Dems are the enemy at home’ and ‘If they hate this country so much why don’t they leave?’ They all agreed that their brand of Freedom of speech was far superior to that of the anti-war protesters and preferred that the anti-war protesters ‘shut up’, as any belligerent nationalist would. Oh yeah, and their sound system worked much, much better.

When they finally met up with the anti-war protesters some of the Fascist-Conservatives resorted to violence to get those who also had the right to peaceably assemble to ‘shut up.’ They resembled a fascist ‘Collective’ more so than the anti-war protesters, although much smaller in size (10 to 1 would be my estimate). They only fell short of being true neo-fascists by not wearing some kind of military-like uniform.

If all the chicken-hawk conservatives would answer the call to duty, they would not need a foreign army of poor Mexicans to fight this goofy war

If all the chicken-shit liberals hadn’t so adamantly protested the war, it would have been over long ago. The terrorists love you anti-war types because it gives them hope that we will abandon the field to them.

That’s what they told me when I signed up to fight the Bugs on Klandathu.

Are you sure that those bugs weren’t cooties? In Klandathu, there are places that you go at your own risk.

As far as I know, service doesn’t automatically grant citizenship. Other steps still have to be taken for citizenship to be granted.

The idea behind this is that this IS the step.

Rob,

I proposed something like this one upon a time.

The proper model is not the French Foreign Legion but the Ghurkas.

I’d recruit primarily amongst the Kurds, but also generally in the populations of Iraq and Afghanistan. I’d have a rigorous entrance examination including physical examination, PT test, and literacy testing. Enlistments would be for a 10 year tour, with an option at the end of the first term to opt for a green card and transfer to the United States Armed Forces (with time and rank carried over) with a (fast) track towards U. S. citizenship. The other track for those staying in and not opting for transfer to U. S. service would be a career NCO and/or Warrant Officer track. It would lead to a retirement package in their country of origin, or in the United States with a green card after 20+ years of service.

Officers (other than warrant officers) would all be drawn from the United States Army and United States Marines. Officers commissioned from the ranks who had previously been members of the AFL would not be eligible to serve as officers in the AFL. Those officers selected to serve in the AFL to be paid at the next higher pay grade for the duration of that service, not to exceed more than 10 continuous years nor more than 15 years in total over the career of the officer.

AFL forces to have no organic artillery nor aviation. Formation size limited to Division and smaller.

The AFL may not be deployed as units within the United States nor the territories of the United States.

R108,

Thank you for a very timely reminder! One of the real domestic dangers we face is that those who would over-rule our individual liberties in the name of the “common good” have so firm a grasp on such institutions as our cultural and educational systems, affording them the opportunity to control the language by which we carry on our national discussions and pass our history and our values to succeeding generations.

One need only read President Kennedy’s Inaugural Address and remind oneself that JFK was a liberal Democrat icon, to realize just how substantial, and insidious, the shift to the left has been over the past 50 years.

I have said it before, but the last Democrat who could recite that speech without being laughed at by Republicans and booed by Democrats was the retired Zell Miller.

Lik,

Thank you for the warning. Considering that Nancy’s posts have all the intellectual content of that pile of dog shit she was going on about, she’s more an occasional target of opportunity, rather than any sort of serious engagement.

We used to post warnings for each other about not feeding trolls, but in Nancy’s case that sort of effort almost seems pointless and redundant.

Two: With all due respect, today’s lefties exploit a deliberate blurring of the truth with regard to right and left. The original continuum was between Monarchy on the right(extreme right wing-one ruler) and Anarchy on the left(extreme left wing-no ruler”power to the people”). In this continuum, the US is left of center, with our insistence on limited govt, individual rights not given by the State, and individual independence.
The lie was created by Marx with his “the people are the State” lie, thus his claim that communism was “left wing”, even though in reality it has one ruler(the political elite)and is really just monarchy dressed in less attractive clothing.
The truth is, both today’s lefties and the few real right wingers are both in favor of rule by an all-powerful State, and are in reality all extreme right-wingers.
Conservatives are the true moderates on the political spectrum. We support individual independence, the rule of law by elected representatives, and limited govt. We have an economic “system” based on individual choice by citizens, not central planning like the right-wingers.
Hope that clears things up.

nanci, guess you better get busy suing somebody. Your lame attempt to tack off onto yet another tangent is rather sad. You are still espousing Socialist Utopian crap. And I do not use dictionary.com, their page is clunky. And to be perfectly honest, it could well be their definition I remember, as I find that I do use them for translating on my laptop.

Mostly I use Britannica online for snap research and filler information. BBC has excellent archives to trawl, going back quite some distance. Der Spiegel is nice, though I don’t like reading German. Depressing language. I have made great effort to forget all of it I know.

NASA and the various .gov sites are other favorite trawling waters. Have you seen the Sun? Or Saturn?

Or perhaps you need to get current on current events outside of your social circle? Here, have,a few.

We ain’t greedy, or frightened, we share information with everybody. In that way will humanity attain equality.

B.O.: Robert108 needs to explain to you then.

Robtert108: What was that mistake again? Go on please.

I disagree with you B.O. George W. Bush would not preach against the potential of misplaced power of the arms industry, especially considering how much funding he recieved from the arms industry. Same goes for Kerry, that is if Bush hadn’t been (s)elected.

The environazi movement is the sanctuary the leaders of failed socialist/communist countries scurried to. Gorbasm, anyone?

Nancy: I’m not “an extreme right-winger”. As I have told you several times, I support the US Constitution, individual rights from the Creator, limited govt and individual independence. What part of that don’t you understand?

I never dreamed I’d see an extreme right-winger backpedal so hard he runs over his own head just to ‘win’ an argument.

It’s a truth I have said for decades, Nancy. I first concluded that in 1962. You are simply another agendized ideologue, and ignorant to boot.

And who left a script key locked on?

Marxist Societal Deconstruction. Exactly right, r. It is a method for destabilizing a functioning society. To throw oscillations into a finely balanced system, with the intent of causing sufficient disruption to allow another system to supplant the original. Only problem is that it leads only to ruin. Misery and Human tragedy are the only final product of nanci and her ilk.

Notice, it has not availed its self of the news and information links provided above. Why am I not surprised?

1.) What do you think patriotism means? Love of country.
2.) What do you thing of the torture and indefinite detainment of ‘enemy combatants?’ Your use of the word “torture” is a lie. According to the Geneva Convention, ununiformed combatants can be summarily executed on the spot of capture. POWs, on the other hand, can be detained until the end of the war, when they are either freed or repatriated. In other words, these terrorist scum are getting a better deal than they deserve.
3.) What do you think of Muslims, Democrats and Liberals? Sick, misguided and definitely unAmerican, if you correctly refer to “radical Muslims”, not all Muslims. You just can’t be honest, can you?
4.) What do you think of the US armed forces? Too general, but our Armed Forces are the best in the world, generally speaking. What should their role in the world be? Constitutionally, they are under civilian control, the Chief Executive being the CIC of all the Armed Forces.
5.) What do you think of gays, homosexuals and ‘Family Values?’ As long as they keep it to themselves, I don’t care. In the case of “Family Values”, the family is the core of human civilization; the real family, that is.
6.) What do you think of Fox News and anti-war protesters?I find Fox to be more honest and fair than the MSM. Antiwar “protesters” are, for the most part, violent intimidators who wish to force their minority agenda on the majority. Should Freedom of Speech change during wartime? Obviously. Study WWII.
7.) How important is National Security to you? Without it we perish.
8.) Do you think schools should teach Creationism in public schools? I think it is a theory, just like evolution, and we should present both sides of the argument. That’s what science is all about. What about displaying the 10 commandments in courthouses? Absolutely. I believe in the First Amendment.
9.) Do you believe that ‘What’s good for business is good for the country?’ Another generalization. It depends on the situation.
10.) How do you feel about Labor Unions? They should get no exemption from anti-trust legislation. They exist to fix the price and supply of labor at above market rates. That is a thought, not a feeling.
11.) Do you trust or distrust higher education and academia? I used to trust it, but now that it has become an indoctrination apparatus for Marxist ideology, I don’t. On the other hand, I trust it to keep doing what it’s doing, until we cut off public funds for it’s activities.
12.) Is giving up our civil liberties worth the feeling of security? A false dichotomy. I don’t think terrorists have any civil liberties in this country, so they should have none. Those who sympathize with terrorists or who support their ideology don’t deserve to be called citizens of this country. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

OK, Nancy, I played your silly game.

Thank you, Bravo1. Quite illuminating. Like a stonk of 4.2 flares on a cloudless night.

Stop throwing up all of the tags Nancy. It screws the page up. Are you doing it on purpose? It looks like it. Please stop doing it.

Paulie B: I am not the one who you should petition about this definition, although American Heritage has already rectified it’s definition of ‘fascism‘ as 2Hotel9 was so kind to point out, albeit in the form of compound lies. There’s No need to worry, busy little ‘ditto head’. The powers that be do not want to be implicated when the final wrung is about our necks. You’re safe. Everything is fine just the way it is.

If you want to do anything I suggest you petition Oxford to rectify their definition of ‘fascism‘ as I’m sure you’ll find it offensive. But why bother? They’re ALL the way in the UK and the US will isolate itself from the world pretty soon. Their texts probably wont even reach our shores, especially texts with inflammatory ‘lies’ like dictionaries.

… Eisenhower’s “Military Industrial Complex” farewell speech.

That was a mistake, and didn’t reflect Ike’s overall philosophy. JFK, on the other hand, was a liberal Dem in his day, through and through. No equivalence at all.

Of course, liberals don’t do combat. Liberals do noise instead.

Smack.

I was going to say something about Davinski’s myopic comment but I think Bat said it all.

Robtert108: What was that mistake again? Go on please.

You have already been given the correct information, and I answered your silly quiz. Try to keep current before you spew your hate, fascist.

And whiteboys ain’t the currency most in trade there.

She probably already knows that. Nancy Jarvis just wanted to parade her ignorant racism.

Nancy: Excuse me, that should be “deranged Marxism”.

Perhaps you should get a better dictionary?

“Fascism”
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

What country do you live in, nanci?

And the hook to spread the virusi. I knew it was coming, gang, follow that link at your own risk. It has been associated with nasty crap. I figured that was nanci’s little game. Leftards do love spreading their STDs.

I’ll play your silly game. That you have to ask these questions says a lot about you.

1.) What do you think patriotism means?
Loving and supporting the country in which you are a citizen.

2.) What do you thing of the torture and indefinite detainment of ‘enemy combatants?’
Your so-called ‘enemy combatants’ are terrorists that should all be shot after any useful information is squeeze out of them by whatever means.

3.) What do you think of Muslims, Democrats and Liberals?
Aren’t they the same thing? They all want our country to be destroyed.

4.) What do you think of the US armed forces? What should their role in the world be?
Fighting to protect our country whereever they are sent. That is the nature of a countries armed forces.

5.) What do you think of gays, homosexuals and ‘Family Values?’ Families are comprised of a wife, husband and childen. Homosexuality is only a cheap thrill.

6.) What do you think of Fox News and anti-war protesters? Should Freedom of Speech change during wartime?
Anti-war protestors are seditious and what they do has absolutely nothing to do with free speech.

7.) How important is National Security to you?
Stupid question, next.

8.) Do you think schools should teach Creationism in public schools? What about displaying the 10 commandments in courthouses?
Public schools should concentrate on educating the students to have skills they can use later in life; like reading, writing, math, etc.

9.) Do you believe that ‘What’s good for business is good for the country?’
That’s just a stupid cliche, next.

10.) How do you feel about Labor Unions?
They have limited value today.

11.) Do you trust or distrust higher education and academia?
Colleges, at least in the arts, have become liberal leftist doctrination centers.

12.) Is giving up our civil liberties worth the feeling of security?
Stupid question – what have we given up?

Nancy said:

I suggest you study this definition of ‘fascism’, it may sound familiar:
“A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.”–1983 American Heritage Dictionary

“dictatorship of the extreme right wing” is an oxymoron. dictatorship is absolute control, whereas the right wing is limited government (where extreme right wing would mean almost no government).

You’re hung up on the word ‘right’ in your definition. If you take out the word ‘right,’ what have you? Dictatorship. What party wants more control of your life? (hint, the people that say you can’t eat fast food, want to take more of your money, make you pay for things that you may or may not want, ie socialized medicine, etc)

Merging of state and business. What party wants control of business? (hint, they use labor unions – which is a big business in itself – to control businesses, tax them if they think they made too much money, working on controlling such businesses as health care and education, etc)

Belligerent Nationalism. I can’t say either party falls under this category… We do more good for this world than any other nation. The right loves this country and loves to help other countries, while the left hates it, publicly stating that we are evil, and is perpetually trying to change it into something it has never been, and gives out of whatever guilt they have stored up.

Fascism has nothing to do with conservatism.

likshoes: People like you wear your ignorance as a kind of badge of honor. I could draw you a Venn diagram of your incorrect premise but why bother. I doubt you have the mental capacity.

Let me restate: All Fascist-Conservatives are assholes or stupid, but not all assholes and stupid people are Fascist-Conservatives.

I suggest you study this definition of ‘fascism’, it may sound familiar:
“A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.” — 1983 American Heritage Dictionary

Nancy,

Perhaps with a good night’s sleep you’ll recover a sufficient level of cogent maturity to make this worth the effort. We’ll see. As it stands now, however, you have neither facts nor rational cognitive process on your side. Instead, your commentary has all the earmarks of an 8 year-old insanely jealous that her 13 year-old brother gets all the presents, and attention… on his birthday.

You have every right to your opinions/feelings, and it is certainly not up to me to deny you the chance to express yourself, however tedious and disjointed that effort may be. But you have no claim to an audience, and no “right” to be taken seriously. Your description of conservatives as “extreme right wing” and “Fascists” betrays a congenital intellectual dysfunction and a shameful unfamiliarity with the real world, either one of which disqualifies you from any sort of meaningful, intelligent discourse.

We don’t care about your talking points list, we are merely entertaining ourselves by whipsawing you back and forth. Oh, and the derision heaping is keen, too.

2H9,

You say “…I am a bookaholic.” like it’s something to be ashamed of.

Myself, I’m a proud bookaphile! 1100+ in the catalog and counting!

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I can see why considering you have to be psychotic, white and Conservative/Christian to become a member. With those prerequisites BW-USA no doubt shoot any brown people before they could say ‘¿Qué?’.

Nancy: Congratulations! It must have taken you a lifetime to fit your mind into a box that small!

That’s what they told me when I signed up to fight the Bugs on Klandathu.

Damn bugs. My whole family was in Buenos Aires when they attacked.

Would you like to know more?

We already do this don’t we? Or are we only doing that for the legal non citizens?

If they signed up for it and it was part of the law they wouldn’t be illegal immigrants would they?

join up, rather than waiting the standard five years after receiving their green card. More than 37,000 non-citizens, almost all Latino, are currently enlisted. Recruiters have even crossed the border into Mexico – to the fury of the Mexican authorities – to look for school-leavers who may have US residency papers.

The aim, according to Pentagon officials, is to boost the Latino numbers in the military from roughly 10 per cent to as much as 22 per cent. That was the figure cited recently by John McLaurin, a deputy assistant secretary of the army, as the size of the “Hispanic … recruiting market”, and it has also been bandied about in the pages of the Army Times.

Yo, Gringo, Comprende Martial Law?