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Normally I’d say heck yeah, let ‘em be certified and armed.  But we can’t trust the teachers (especially the female ones, apparently) to refrain from having sex with our kids, so who’s to say we can trust them not to shoot ‘em?  Or have sex with ‘em at gunpoint?

Clint ... get real! There are way more male teachers having sex with students than female teachers having sex with students. The only difference is one is more valuable to the media than the other.

I think having a policy for teachers to do so is appropriate.  However I’d encourage extra training and perhaps some rules about possession.

For example it would not be appropriate for the teacher to leave it in her purse on or even in her desk.  On the other hand having a quick access lock box would be one thing to have.  The other is that if it’s on their person they should have some standards on the holster and some retention training.

Just a few ideas.

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5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

So much student behavior calls out for deadly armed response.
One or two unruly, wise ass students shot by teachers would be enough to bring order to a whole school.

It would more likely stop the violent crime that’s happening in the schools.

Leave it to the leftie fools to not understand that.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

So much student behavior calls out for deadly armed response.
One or two unruly, wise ass students shot by teachers would be enough to bring order to a whole school.

Liberals hate private schools and would have us believe that we should trust absolutely in the union-run public schools.

Until someone starts talking about letting a responsible teacher hired and vetted by the public schools handle a firearm.  Then, suddenly, there’s problems.

Bunch of hypocrites.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Considering at least 80%, if not more, of the jr/high school student body is larger than me it would leave too much at risk if I had a gun and they could easily obtain it from me. ALTHOUGH… those lil’ taser doo dads sure do look mighty fun, lol!

I’m not saying you should carry a gun if you don’t think you’re up to it, but are you against female cops and female soldiers annA?

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

those lil’ taser doo dads sure do look mighty fun, lol!

Why not let the teachers carry, it’s allot smarter than putting a police station in every public school. Of course theres going to be trigger happy morons, but theres trigger happy morons every where.

But knowing the thinking of the left&right they’ll probably settle for making each student wear some kind of zapping device, where the teacher presses a button when they get out of line.

I’m sure Anna would love to get her hands on one of those buttons “I SAID SIT DOWN” zap

So much student behavior calls out for deadly armed response.

Says the man with the head up his ass! Virginia Tech, anyone? Columbine?
Doesn’t take a LOT of student behavior calling out for armed response to ruin your whole day!

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Our kids’ school has done a number of things in recent years.  We have locks on the classroom doors, video surveillance, telephones in the classrooms, visitor sign in….

All of these things are good, but they won’t do one thing to stop a school shooting or really any serious crime.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Says the man with the head up his ass!

Proof, you should have announced yourself.

The employer owns the business (or works for the people who own the business) and thus it is his/her right to say what goes on there.

I wasn’t able to tell from the article whether it was a public or private school, though it appears to be a public one.  If this is the case, and she’s got her concealed weapons permit, she absolutely should be able to bring the gun to school.  The second amendment should trump anything the locals can throw at her.  If it’s a private school, however, I would think they would have a lot more leeway in preventing her from carrying the gun on campus.

“No Sane man will dance.”—Cicero

Why are veterans not fast tracked into teaching? Seems a logical course on several levels. Bearing arms being only one. Fund of experience across the water, in countries other than the one they were born in, being another. A proven level of dedication to the task at hand, and a disciplined approach to solving problems ain’t a bad indicator, either.

And many teachers are quite acceptable as hunting license holders, yet they can not carry for protection? Of our children?

Good googly moogly! The shed full of semi-useless crap at the top of my driveway is more aggressively protected than 99.99% of schools in this country.

Am I, seriously, the only one who sees something wrong with this picture?

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I don’t think people have a right to bring their guns to work.

Isn’t that an infringement violating the 2bd amendment?

One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
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Mr Whistler, of course I am not against female anything AS LONG AS THEY CAN DO THE JOB! Not many women are qualified for jobs that are typically male dominated. I am a skilled marksman when it comes to target shooting but considering I am not trained in defense and just weighing in over the 100 lb mark, I seriously doubt I could stop someone from taking a weapon from me.
I am a self confessing weakling, and I am willing to admit there are some things better left to men.
So, give me a beefy male bodyguard any day and I you won’t hear me complaining.

The idea of teachers carrying guns is completely insane!  Not mildly insane, insane on multiple levels.  The entire idea is so mentally shallow I just don’t know where to start…that being said, here goes.
Teachers “can” or as the Honorable Sen. from Wisconsin wishes..teachers are ‘required’ to pack heat.

Why would you think that guns in school in any way, shape or form implies safety?  For that matter, where do you have impervious safety on the planet?

at any rate this is so delightfully ignorant..I find it a wonderful topic.

1. do they need to be secured while at school?
  where?
  loaded?
2. do teachers need to be competent with the firearm?
  you want old mrs. olson the librarian to try to be able to make a decent kill shot or just spray into the crowd?

3. are the teachers more or less stable than the lunatics that open fire in the school?

4. give a teacher a gun and there is a good chance you will be paying fewer administrative salaries.

5. ok?!!  who’s got my gun…..johnnny!!!?

6. feed em breakfast, lunch, dinner, maintain discipline, don’t hurt their self-esteem, monitor the halls, lecture, drill, practice, quiz, test, shoot those rampaging teenagers, hold parent teacher conferences,504’s, IEP’s, title 9, title 14, MISO3’s,

7. What happens when they miss?
8.  What happens when they don’t miss?
9. What happens if they don’t return fire? or take one for the team?
10. what makes you think there aren’t already guns in school?

Proof, you should have announced yourself.

I did! You didn’t hear me because…you had your head up your ass!

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do teachers need to be competent with the firearm?

Stupid question, but consider the source!
Anyone who picks up a firearm for self defense anywhere on the planet, not just schools, needs to be competent. Would it be any less moronic to ask if drivers of motor vehicles should be competent before they drive on public highways?
No teacher would be allowed to carry a gun who didn’t exhibit both a minimum level of competency and an intellectual level above “imagine” or a six yr. old, whichever is higher!

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and we will pay for the training how?
Proof you are a complete abrasive ass in nearly every post of yours I have ever read.  Congrats you are consistent.

Context and content. The question stated was intended to provoke a higher level of discussion or thinking…but as you are want to do on a regular basis…you temporarily pull your head out to say something rude, and then completely miss the point.

It would be cheaper and contain far fewer liabilities to hire armed security than to expect firearm training of someone hired to teach our children to read.

Not over the course of time it wouldn’t

“A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

This needs to be updated, don’t you think?

“the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” seems to indicate that anyone is constitutionally permitted to carry a weapon anyplace and this could be a gun, sword, ax, spear, baseball bat, or whatever you deem a weapon and, in the absence of an Amendment, this applies to every postal worker and every kid going to school.

When you read the whole thing and consider that, “A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State”, is tacked on at the beginning, it would seem to imply that you get to carry a weapon if you are part of a well regulated militia so that the use of your weapon can be controlled and monitored. “being necessary to the security of a free State”, implies that this regulation will be done by the state.

This does not say that every maniac who hasn’t killed anyone yet gets to own and carry a gun where ever they want to. It does provide for some regulation by the government.

Perhaps we see what we want to see, read what we want to read, and interpret things the way we want to interpret them with disregard of the way things actually are.

No Ews, it doesn’t work that way. The Supreme Court has only addressed the 2nd Amendment once, in US v. Miller. Miller was found guilty of possessing a shotgun, and the 2nd didn’t protect him because it is not the type of weapon a militiaman would carry. Axes, baseball bats etc. would be excluded.

A militia, at that time (and still, according to federal code) is simply every able-bodied man who can carry a weapon. It is up to the states to regulate, or not regulate, such a militia.

Regarding the current and pending state of the 2nd Amendment, a brief synopsis of DC v. Heller can be found here.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

It does provide for some regulation by the government.

What part of “...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” don’t you understand?

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Seems clear to me.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

The same argument can be applied to smoking too, by the way, as smoking policies should be decided by the property owner and not the government.

Actually, if properly informed, it will be decided by the consumer, as it should in a free enterprise society.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

But just because an employee wants to bring their gun to school doesn’t mean they have a right to do it.

Seems to me that depends on whether it’s a public school or a private school.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

nonimagination, again, veterans.

ews, you have no idea what you are talking about, this pretzel logic crap keeps bubbling out of you leftards and dripping on the floor. Try informing yourself. Google Robert Rogers. Then actually read some of the information that search produces. Then contemplate what you have read. Then get back to us.

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This needs to be updated, don’t you think?

Or perhaps, you could inform yourself as to the meaning of the word “militia” as it was understood by our Founding Fathers.
Or, we could do as you suggest, and modify the law whenever it it misunderstood by misinformed people!

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you are a complete abrasive ass in nearly every post of yours I have ever read.

If you weren’t so impenetrably ignorant, I might not need to be so abrasive to get your attention!

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Kens exactly right about the Supreme Court ruling but in addition to that it turns out that most of us ARE in the militia according to US Code.

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
  males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
  313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
  declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
  and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
  National Guard.

The link is the US House of Representatives website.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

4. give a teacher a gun and there is a good chance you will be paying fewer administrative salaries.

LOL, that is an excellent point!

The question stated was intended to provoke a higher level of discussion or thinking

Stupid questions to provoke a “higher level of discussion or thinking”? Good luck with that!  Socratic it ain’t!

It would be cheaper and contain far fewer liabilities to hire armed security than to expect firearm training of someone hired to teach our children to read.

“It would be cheaper”...unless someone on the staff was already knowledgeable and proficient with a weapon.

”...contain far fewer liabilities…” Really? When was the last time you saw an armed guard at a bank? Are you talking rent-a-cop? School police? What about the liabilities of our current police forces who are sued frequently by the populace. On another thread, there is speculation that the nimrod who was tasered at the Kerry speech will sue over that mild kerfluffle!

”...to expect firearm training of someone hired to teach our children to read.”  You misunderstand the nature of deterrence! You do not need to arm every teacher. You allow for the possibility that every teacher might be armed. That uncertainty itself is a deterrence to violence.

For you to imply that every kindergarten reading teacher has to become Rambo is the type of reductio ad absurdum, which in your eyes, will miraculously lead to a “higher level of discussion or thinking! Abrasive enough for you?

(It’s the avatar! I used to be much kinder and gentler before I got the Death Car!)

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1. do they need to be secured while at school?
where?
loaded?
2. do teachers need to be competent with the firearm?

and we will pay for the training how?

just “imagine” if people actually read the article.  did you miss the part where this woman has a concealed weapons permit?  which means that: a) it would be secured on her person; b) she’s quite competent with it; and c) there’s no “we” paying for training, she did that already.  welcome to the “higher level of discussion,” moron.

“No Sane man will dance.”—Cicero

BTW:  Safe gun handling does not take very long to learn.  Most cops don’t do very much shooting at all.

Hiring armed security guards is very stupid.  You either have low paid high turnover or you have cop wannabe’s who couldn’t make it.

In the Red Lake school shooting the jerk first shot his grandpa who was a cop then went to school.  The first one he shot was the security guard.

Who’s better to protect the kids than the teachers that are IN the rooms and probably know most of the kids.

Cops are much more likely to shoot the wrong person when they respond to a robbery than the home or business owner.  That only makes sense because the cop only shows up on the scene and has fractions of a second to decide who’s the good guys and who’s the bad guys.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

I think that the school systems should encourage teachers to be armed and provide additional training and even lockboxes in the classrooms.

School shootings happen because the scum know that no one can fight back.

In Israel they recruited retired people to patrol the schools and they eliminated terrorist activities there.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

It seems to me that many of you would do well to get a carry permit and learn what’s involved.  For starters, most states have four basic rules for using a firearm legally carried:

1.  Must retreat if practical (good idea even if not required)

2.  No lesser force will suffice to stop the threat.

3.  Must have imminent fear of death or grievous bodily injury.

4.  Use of force must stop when the threat is stopped. 

Carry permits are typically issued only to those who pass a basic marksmanship test, and you’d be surprised how well a pistol can be concealed.  No student need ever know his teacher is packing heat.

As a parent I would like fewer guns in school not more…The number of school shootings is on the rise and is of obvious concern.  Percentage wise schools are very safe….yes, one shooting in one school is to much…not to mention the fighting, stabbing, drugs etc…..planes crash we don’t stop flying….

Since Columbine public schools have changed considerably (secure doors, guarded entrance, camera’s, lock down drills etc.. there are procedures in place for a variety of situations)

We bantered a lot over this topic but the real truth is that in a crisis situation there is no telling how “real people” will react. Those with the most swager may wet themselves and run for the nearest exit, while others will ‘step up’. This is far to important an issue to just have teachers packing heat.

The required training would need to be much more than “gun safety” or even the requirmements to be “concealed”. 

Do a you tube search on gun in school and see what you come up with…

In school I would like fewer guns around my 6 year old, not more.

I have a concealed weapons permit and I can out shoot a lot of guys but aside from that I attended school to become a teacher and not a soldier or police officer. The last thing I want to do is have one more thing to worry about while teaching a classroom or 40 plus 14 to 18 year old students. As for concealing the weapon, sorry to inform y’all but unless I am wearing coat I can not hide anything on me.
I say forget the weapons and demand obedience from our children. Their cry for protecting their civil rights is costing them a quality education.
Where are the civil rights of the public teachers?

As a parent I would like fewer guns in school not more…The number of school shootings is on the rise and is of obvious concern

Imagine, think about that for a moment.  Currently there are no sanctioned guns in schools.  Every single school shooting is the result of students or outsiders bringing guns into the school and using them to mow down the unarmed masses in that school.

You can’t blame school shootings on guns in schools because there are no guns in school now.  Except those brought by people intending to use them to murder.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

imagine, not all guns are created equal, despite your attempt to make them so.  In fact, one gun in the right hands can neutralize many guns in the wrong hands.  Over 95% of guns in the US are used for self defense and sport, not criminal activity.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Anna: Actually, unless you have a swimsuit on…. there are guns that are concealable. Pilgrim bought me a 380 last year that is light enough and compact enough that it can be totally concealed. It is not even noticeable in the top of a thigh high wearing a mini skirt. I often carry it in the front pocket of my low waist jeans (I, like you, am a small person, size 1) and wear snug waist length shirts, it is not noticeable at all. Unlike the original gift of a 38… LOL .... there was nothing short of an overcoat that could hide that monster.

“I attended school to become a teacher”, “Anna: Actually, unless you have a swimsuit on”

To quote Van Halen….HOT for teacher

My buddy has what has to be the smallest 38 i’ve ever seen. He puts it in his jeans pocket or coat pocket and you wouldn’t know it was a gun unless he showed it to you. It looks like a set of keys in his pocket.

Rob-put a gun in every teachers hand.  Train em….guaranteed we will have an instant rise in school shootings…(accidental shootings, impulse shootings,, unsecure guns etc)I understand the point you make. However the miniscule number of school shootings (in comparison to the number of schools, students etc..) will leap as soon as millions of guns enter the buildings…

seriously search youtube…there is a police officer (I posted it on my blog) giving a speech on guns…and yes his gun goes off in school because he had a round in the chamber…

Anna- I agree, teachers should become teachers to teach not to be marksmen….

We have not discussed non-lethal force or weapons. tasers etc…?? the proximity is an issue, but marksmanship with a handgun in a lunchroom or library full of students? unless the individual is highly trained and practices..a gun in a teachers hand will cause more harm than good.  Much more effective to rush the individual and dissarm them physically than to return fire in the wrong situation.

As a school teacher myself and a gun enthusiast.  I would much rather use my self defense training as a Blackbelt than a firearm…

but, from the human side…some lunatic comes in and starts spraying the lunch room…do I run in and try to stop the slaughter? (I would like to think I would) or do I think of my sons, my wife, my family? and react otherwise?  What are my duties should something like this occur?  I know what the school has told me to do…and, personally I don’t think it is enough….but are we, as teachers, supposed to lay our lives on the line?....currently there is no protocol in the US that says “Teachers will do…” in these situations…

hell even in columbine the police were very slow to enter the building.

I think we learned from flight 93 that sitting and doing nothing is not the way to function….

Virginia tech….if the first classroom rushed the shooter..fewer would be dead…but some that are currently alive would be dead…who decides what is right?  How will you react?  rather how do you “think” you will react…what you ‘think’ and what you ‘do’ are often not the same.

If someone wants to shoot up a school, a store, a bank, a courthouse they will do it.  You can not say something is “safe” when it is not.  Nothing is ‘safe’ but we can be prudent and use reasonable means to increase the level of safety.

...as soon as millions of guns enter the
buildings…

Typical leftie exaggeration tactic.  As others have pointed out, the knowledge that teachers might be armed is a considerable deterrent, especially compared to the present situation, where the criminals know that they won’t face an armed response.  Duh.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Rob-put a gun in every teachers hand.  Train em….guaranteed we will have an instant rise in school shootings…

I’ll be we could reduce accidental shooting by taking away guns from cops.  Heck, I’ll bet we could reduce accidental shootings by taking guns away from everyone!

What’s more, let’s ban cars too!  No more car accidents!

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

imagine - The idea of teachers carrying guns is completely insane!  Not mildly insane, insane on multiple levels.  The entire idea is so mentally shallow I just don’t know where to start…that being said, here goes.

It works in Israel. “Insane” or not, you fail to address the real world experience that has proven to dramatically reduce the violence suffered in schools.

Why would you think that guns in school in any way, shape or form implies safety?

It doesn’t “imply” safety. You’re erroneously setting the terms of the debate with that term. It has already been proven.

at any rate this is so delightfully ignorant..I find it a wonderful topic.

The “delightfully ignorant” one here is you. You have ignored the real world evidence and track record in favor of your imagined world.

“imagine” = it really is more than just your nickname.

What’s more, let’s ban cars too!  No more car accidents!

But whatever we do, let’s not “ban” so-called “gay marriage”!

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

I think we learned from flight 93 that sitting and doing nothing is not the way to function….

I hope we learned from 9/11 that if the pilots of commercial airliners had been armed, 3000 people would have continued with their lives…

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

I hope we learned from 9/11 that if the pilots of commercial airliners had been armed, 3000 people would have continued with their lives…

And, in all likelihood, we never would have gone to war with Iraq.  Which isn’t to say we wouldn’t have needed to, but the political impetus wouldn’t have been there.

But I wonder how the liberals must be kicking themselves.  No war if they’d just supported the ideal of private gun ownership.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Anna - I say forget the weapons and demand obedience from our children.

Children? What’s to stop an armed guy coming in off the street into your “gun free zone”?

Where are the civil rights of the public teachers?

“Civil rights”? What are those? I thought you were above such rhetoric. You’re throwing out the undefined and everchanging “civil rights” question into the mix.

You simply have rights Anna. You don’t have a “civil right” to be away from a gun.

However the miniscule number of school shootings (in comparison to the number of schools, students etc..) will leap as soon as millions of guns enter the buildings…

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There is crime besides the well publicized school shootings.

..there is a police officer (I posted it on my blog) giving a speech on guns…and yes his gun goes off in school because he had a round in the chamber…

DEA agent.  A real dumb one.  I posted it here a while ago.

As a school teacher myself and a gun enthusiast.  I would much rather use my self defense training as a Blackbelt than a firearm…

I’m qualified to discuss martial arts myself and I have a hard time taking anyone seriously you thinks that their skills are going to work against a firearm.  Good luck with that.

some lunatic comes in and starts spraying the lunch room…do I run in and try to stop the slaughter? (I would like to think I would) or do I think of my sons, my wife, my family? and react otherwise?

I would think that a teacher would take cover in their classroom and protect themselves and their class, not do SWAT thing in the corridors.  The beauty of the thing is that the idiots don’t know what teacher.

Scumbags pick on the defenseless.  If they know that it’s likely a few teachers are armed they’ll probably stay home and abuse their goldfish.

Virginia tech….if the first classroom rushed the shooter..fewer would be dead…but some that are currently alive would be dead…who decides what is right?  How will you react?  rather how do you “think” you will react…what you ‘think’ and what you ‘do’ are often not the same.

In at least two of the shootings (Appalachian law school and one down south) a person went to their car and stopped the murder.  I sure would be happy if they saved my child.

If someone wants to shoot up a school, a store, a bank, a courthouse they will do it.

If no one stops them that is.  Our courthouse has an armed guard with a metal detector.  I’m sure it would never occur to some lunatic to walk in and shoot the guard and have at it.

Anna, I respect that you would rather not carry a weapon, but you would be safer if some of the other teachers were able to be armed.  It’s both a deterrent and someone to stop them if the situation arises.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

First of all, as much as I would love to do so, I need to clarify that I am not anywhere near a size 1. Fact, I think that’s what size my 11 lb son was when he was born. 

And, in all likelihood, we never would have gone to war with Iraq. Which isn’t to say we wouldn’t have needed to, but the political impetus wouldn’t have been there.

Agreed.  Not only would we have been politically unable to go to war against the terrorists(in Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else), but it would have taken escalation, like Saddam’s using his “Oil for Food” money to reconstitute his WMD programs, continued attacks on our aircraft, continued flaunting both international law and UN sanctions, before the cowardly Dems would have approved any action at all, much to our detriment.  Interesting train of thought, Rob.
Not to mention all the more Iraqis who would have been murdered, tortured, maimed, raped and fed into woodchippers by Saddam.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Not to mention all the more Iraqis who would have been murdered, tortured, maimed, raped and fed into woodchippers by Saddam.

That would have been ok with the left since it was being done by a fascist and there’s was no end in sight for the horror what with his two sons set to take over.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Rob-put a gun in every teachers hand.

Is this another one of those, “say something moronic to raise the quality of discussion” gambits? Because, if that worked, there would be doctoral dissertations going on around you all the time!

However the miniscule number of school shootings ... will leap as soon as millions of guns enter the buildings…

Reductio ad absurdum…don’t you have any other arguments?

seriously search youtube…there is a police officer (I posted it on my blog) giving a speech on guns…and yes his gun goes off in school because he had a round in the chamber…

You catch one dipwad on tape and from that we extrapolate millions of incompetent dipwads?
My father owned guns. I own guns. Several of my sons own guns. In over 100 years, not a single gun in my family has accidentally discharged or wounded or killed a human being. Maybe you are “enthusiastic” about the wrong things?

but, from the human side…some lunatic comes in and starts spraying the lunch room…do I run in and try to stop the slaughter? (I would like to think I would) or do I think of my sons, my wife, my family? and react otherwise?  What are my duties should something like this occur?

The “duty” incumbent upon you will rely on whether you have the ability to do something.  Whatever choice you make may depend largely on whether or not you have been disarmed! If you have access to a firearm in a locked desk or in your car, your choices to intervene to save lives are far broader than if you don’t.
And please don’t throw up the strawman about arming every teacher. You know it’s bullcrap and NO ONE is arguing for it!
As Thomas Sowell has noted, in every instance where there has been a shooting rampage, the killing stops when when men show up with more guns.

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Of course, were private gun ownership valued and allowed in Iraq Saddam would have never came to power.  Or certainly would never have stayed in power.

But as it is, the only people in Iraq with guns are the criminals.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Under Saddam anyone over 25 could have a weapon.

One more once. Fast track veterans into teaching. Immediate ready pool of security cleared, firearm trained, educationally varied teachers. Also, into school maintenance and admin slots. Track driver? Meet school bus. Infantry platoon medic? Meet gym class. Flightdeck operations swabbie? Meet school computer/electronic/automotive shop.

Talk about a massive waste of resources.

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Regarding the likelihood of accidents and teachers spraying the cafeteria with bullets; well, about 2% of Americans in 38 states have a carry permit, and those millions of men and women have yet to do this.  Sorry, but likelihood argues against this.

So do the rules for carry; you need to retreat if practical, and no lesser force will do the job.  Law abiding permit holders know that you don’t just draw a firearm whenever you get nervous.  Unlike, for example, some DEA blowhard whose video got posted here.

Hence, the likelihood of accidents is extremely low, and this fact is borne out by the relative lack of accidents involving carry permit holders.

woofie is correct. In most middle eastern countries private weapons ownership is very high. Saddam routinely made sweeps of Kurd and Shia areas to collect weapons. As with Americans, most Muslims believe it is their God given right to have weapons. It is a machismo thing.

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woofie is correct. In most middle eastern countries private weapons ownership is very high. Saddam routinely made sweeps of Kurd and Shia areas to collect weapons.

So what you’re telling me is that in order to keep his dictatorship in place Saddam Hussein made gun seizures from private citizens a priority.

I think my point still stands.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Anyone who thinks Saddam would have allowed his oppressed majority(Kurds+Shia) to have weapons must also have rocks in his head.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Gang, firearms are vastly available through out the M-E. As for who had/has weapons in Iraq, everyone has/had weapons in Iraq. And I am not against that. Having the population openly armed, as we in America are, is far better than everyone hiding what they have and eying everyone else suspiciously. That mentality is adding to the instability of many populations in the M-E, and elsewhere. Distrust. Islam uses it like a scalpel, to keep disparate groups from forming in meaningful, working relations. Tribe against tribe. That is the bottom line.

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My problem with this entire thing is that has anyone looked into why each school has only one key for all class rooms. If a gun man came in all he would have to do is take the key from a teacher and unlock any class room that was in lock down because of a gun man and do as he pleases. How is that safe.  Also why is the super intendant of the Medford schools home schooling his kids? Yes his wife use to be a teacher but is it because our education system here in Medford so bad or is it because it is unsafe? She should be able to bring a gun. As long as it is concealed. That is why she has a permit for her weapon DUH. Not in her purse but on her body were it can not be seen by a student.  Is it really a free country anymore?

Schools do not permit teachers to possess master keys.
Teachers are allowed keys to the rooms the are allowed into and even if they had a key to every room I would love to view the video of the gunman trying each key to find the correct one for the room he wants to enter.

What your not understanding is that it is the same key for every class room. A gun man would NOT have to flip through keys to get the right key because one size fits all.  And what about the super intendant? No comment?

I missed one a while back…I think Rob stated.

If pilots had guns the towers would be standing and we would not have invaded Iraq?

and this is because liberals don’t want private gun ownership?

I’d say a few broad conclusions are drawn here.

concerned, NO it is not one key for the entire school. The master key that unlocks all doors is only available to certain people. And even that master key doesn’t always open ALL doors. Some schools have a master key for each wing but, again only particular people possess a master key. The maintenance has a master key but not to the entire school. They too have a few that access several rooms. 
Teachers do not have keys to other teachers rooms unless the teachers share them or their keys happens to fit a few particular rooms.

“I’d say a few broad conclusions are drawn here.”

You really are behind the curve, aren’t you?

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ANNE- obviously you do not live in Medford and you don’t know our schools.  I have done the research and yes they are the same at several schools for all class rooms.  It was said because teachers loose there keys or lock them in there rooms.  I have talked to several teachers at several schools around Medford, 1 elementary, two junior highs and two high schools and I have learned that ALL 5 schools do have 1 key for each school, except for the offices. And once again still no comment on the SUPER. So my opinion on that is that you have no opinion because you think it’s wrong too.

Sorry it was ANNA!

Maybe when the gunman is fumbling with the key the teacher can be getting a good shooting stance.

Oh yeah, guns aren’t allowed in school.

Actually that’s a good point about the keys.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

If that is the way the Medford School District handles their key distribution, I’d have to say I would not want to be employed there. My next suggestion would be for them to maybe reconsider their ways for the safety of the people.
I have taught in 5 different school districts and have never heard of a more absurd way of key distribution. Other than the administration, there is no way I would allow every Tom, Dick,and Harry to have access to my classroom.
As for your superintendent question ... what was it anyway?

In the 40 states with shall-issue CCW (concealed carry) laws, taking a gun into school is completely LEGAL. 

The issue is this:  School have policies against bringing weapons into school. 

Thus, a teacher who has a valid CCW permit, has passed all legal, mental and physical fitness requirements for owning a weapon to protect themselves has to check their weapon at the door, because they are law-abiding citizens.

No new teachers will be getting guns, unless they #1 want a gun, #2 can pass the CCW tests, and #3 the superintendent must OK the policy for his/her district.

The same teacher probably carried their pistol to the mall, the beach, the ice cream shop, etc already. 

In Utah, since CCW in the classroom was solidified by law in 2003, NOTHING has happened, good or bad.

Class dismissed.

Devin, there is still a federal law on the books that bans guns in schools, just not the one that was overturned.  Most states also have state bans on firearms in schools, or at least state school board policies.

Personally, I don’t think government school administrators should be allowed to prevent carry permit holders from carrying in schools; we know too well what happens when a potential killer knows his victims won’t be armed.  But that doesn’t change the fact that most states do not allow firearms in schools, or for that matter even on school grounds.

It needs to change.

Devin: Have you considered the fairness of shooting down your opponents arguments with facts?
You may have already hurt their feelings!

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The North Dakota concealed carry law specifically says you may not carry guns into schools, government buildings, churches, events (such as football games) and a number of others.

The best place to discover the laws on concealed carry is Packing.org.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Oregon state law states that you can carry a gun.  It is only a policy that the school board is trying to put in affect. The problem is the school board does NOT make laws and until it is a law the teacher should be able to have her gun.  I am a parent of 3 kids and I am completly ok with a teacher caring a gun as long as it is concealed. And it states that the teacher does have a permit to do that.  Also they have police at the schools with guns. So if she cant bring one for her protection why do they (police) need one? I realize that police are trained but basic instinct does settle in and they (police men) can also freeze up just as easily as anyone else. So for safety everyone or no one should be allowed to have a gun.  As long as they have a license.

I realize that police are trained but basic instinct does settle in and they (police men) can also freeze up just as easily as anyone else.

Absolutely the police are no better or worse than the average citizen at most things.  There’s a few specialized areas like SWAT that take a bunch of training but aside from that a person can acquaint themselves with what they need to do fairly easily.

My favorite is the idea that people can’t use cell phones in their cars but cops can AND use their computer because they’re special.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

I agree!  I am going to go to the court date on this jane doe teacher just to see the outcome. But I do know that this subject is FAR from over.  The school board is freeking out and so are the gun people.  This is a very important subject that I am surprised hasn’t been an issue before now.  But what about the super intendent that doesn’t even have his own kids in school because his wife home schools them. Who the heck let him be super if he doesn’t like the school system?  Is he afraid that our school system won’t teach his kids good enough or is it because he doesn’t feel our schools are safe?  And who’s to say there aren’t other teachers out there bringing a gun to school concealed and we just don’t know about it.

concerned. I agree with you there. We have a school board member who home schools their children and I believe it’s a conflict of interest that should exclude them from their positions.

Is this school board member a reformist or someone who’s protecting the status quo or teachers unions.

Suppose you had a person who was very concerned with the schools and wanted to make them better.  But they didn’t want to subject their kids to those schools until they were fixed.  I guess that’d be ok with me.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

If that were the case I would be ok with it also. He is a lawyer, (which tells you something right there). he also believes there is a monetary value on what his children are not offered in our district and believes the home school kids should be given vouchers so to obtain the unavailable classes through a private instructor. Meanwhile, he insists on putting classes online that are being offered in the school. To me, this encourages less and less student participation with other students plus diminishes the importance of our schools and socialization.

To me, this encourages less and less student participation with other students plus diminishes the importance of our schools and socialization.

It sounds like you’re parroting the old anti-home schooling line.  Foolish me for thinking that schools were for education, you know teaching students real skills like science, math, grammer & composition.

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What I do know about this super is that he was a teacher at a high school and then the vice principal and then became super somewhere after that. I do know that his wife was a teacher at the same high school, that is were they met and so on. I personally had both of them as teachers and they were great. But obviously they know something about the schools that the public doesn’t.  I also know that there has been big issues over schools being fixed and maybe new schools being built and we (the public) voted for suck things to happen and now they are 17 million in debt and haven’t done everything they said and are now trying to divert the subject.  We have had several school closes and now there are elementary students with junior high kids. Really how safe is that?  I like a lot of parents would love to be able to send my children to private school but just like most american’s can NOT afford it. So for now I will be going to school board meetings and PTO meetings and do as much as I can, and get information out to other parents who do not know things about our school district.

Good work concerned.  One thing I’d recommend that you seek out like minded folks to get involved with attending the meetings. 

The public school bureaucrats will minimize a single person but they can’t do that with a group.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

docdave, Schools are very much for the reasons you mentioned but at the same time students learn a vast amount more than academics when they attend a school.

at the same time students learn a vast amount more than academics when they attend a school.

I think those things should be stated and not just left to trust them.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

At my high school we had a gun safety course available.  I took it, and it was good.  By high school age I was already proficient with my rifle and shotgun (my dad being a veteran and a cop was a good gun safety instructor), but the formal run-through the principles of safe gun ownership was nice.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

at the same time students learn a vast amount more than academics when they attend a school.

Right.  In some schools (not muslim schools) they learn to be good little muslims, in others to learn that early age sex is okay as a normal or homosexual, in others that the USA and capitalism is at fault for the world ills, etc.

Social studies today is little more than liberal and muslim propaganda.  It didn’t exist when I was in primary schools and my classmate and I probably achieve more because of its absence.

One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
-Thomas Sowell

I can say that I have honestly home schooled one of my children for a year. and she learned a lot and it was difficult but for that year it was hard for her because she is a very social kid. After I put her back in public school she did a lot better school work wise and socially. I know of a few other kids that are home schooled and they are socially stupid.  If parents that home school put there children in social activities on a daily basis I think home school is good. But that is just my opinion. And yes no one has to agree or disagree. I just think it depends on the child and the parent.  But I do think that if a person that is in charge of our schools is home schooling there own child they have to know something the rest of us don’t about that school district.

At my high school we had a gun safety course available.

That’s nice, Rob, but does that course really belong on a circulum funded by taxpayers who had no decision on the subject.

One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
-Thomas Sowell

Social studies today is little more than liberal and muslim propaganda.  It didn’t exist when I was in primary schools and my classmate and I probably achieve more because of its absence.

Excellent except for one point: Our schools at every level, with very few exceptions are openly hostile to Christianity. They are not just pro the things you mentioned and we could both add many more, they are hateful of people with Christian beliefs viewing it as a positive evil to a well ordered socialist state.

I know of a few other kids that are home schooled and they are socially stupid.

You mean they are not tolerant of the things you want them to tolerate? Do you mean they don’t sexually assault other students, they don’t use FUCK liberally in every sentence they utter, do you mean they dont’ wear their pants below their butts and engage in other vulgar behavior? Do you mean they don’t know how to play with others? If it is the latter, that is nonsense used as a general rule and I’ll bet the few that would be socially retarded would have been that way even if publicly schooled.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
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I don’t believe that home schooling them to shelter them from social wrongs is a logical way to teach a child anything. Personally, I prefer to assist my child in developing into the socially responsible person I expect. If it means exposure to unacceptable social behavior then sometimes a child learns the hard way. To me, it’s a parents responsibility to raise a child to learn the right and wrong of acceptable socialization.
Children should not be denied the lesson of socializing when it’s such a vital aspect in their future .

If we’re going to talk about the schools and socialization, I guess I did learn all my cuss words on the school bus and from fellow students who felt it was their “right” to verbally and otherwise abuse those who weren’t “cool.”  (funny how that stopped when I hit my growth spurt in high school, BTW)  I also learned about how degrading music by exhibitionists was wonderful, but the canon of musical greats was “geeky.”

Sorry, I don’t buy the “socialization” thing at all, and there is research to back me up on this.  When psychologists tried to determine which children in a group were educated at home, they were able to; the homeschooled children were less aggressive towards the others and were better able relate to others without conflict.  See http://www.hslda.org for links.

Let’s be serious here; when the government schools “socialize” children, it does so by letting other children do the work; in short, much the same way as Golding’s “Lord of the Flies” describes the island. Children are properly socialized by other adults, not fellow immature children.

Anna: I am heading back to work so mercifully this will be short: Would you daily send your child into an environment that you know corrupts their souls and will turn them into monsters?

Garbage in means garbage out when critical life decisions must be made. Your kids get 6 hours or more of liberal, anti-Christian, pro-immorality teaching inside their heads every day, spoon fed by liberal educators, then you really expect them during a crisis in their lives not to make liberal, immoral decisions?

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

I think home school is some aspects are good but only if the parent puts the kids in activities that they can socialize and learn aspects of team sports. But if kids are only home schooled and don’t get out in the world when they grow up and get out in the world it will either scare them and they will go running home tomommy and daddy or join in something they should not because they were not educated in it.  That is where public school comes in to help with that.  I kno0w this first hand.

No Neiman I would not but, on the flip side of that I would not refuse them exposure in a school setting. Whether it be a public school, private school, parochial school, Montessori school, military etc. I simply prefer my children to be socially mature when they head out into the big wide world of reality.