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		<title>By: robert108</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MikeA: The first sentence was mine, the second sentence was yours; now don&#039;t you be silly.

Justify this: &lt;blockquote&gt;...its not surprising that you would obsess over the former group.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What is your definition of &quot;obsess&quot;, and how do you believe I fit into it?  I focus on what is being done to propagandize our news, and you call me obsessed.  Isn&#039;t that just a bit &quot;silly&quot;, or something more ominous?
You demonize me in an attempt to win your argument.  Not cricket, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeA: The first sentence was mine, the second sentence was yours; now don&#8217;t you be silly.</p>
<p>Justify this:<br />
<blockquote>&#8230;its not surprising that you would obsess over the former group.</p></blockquote>
<p>What is your definition of &#8220;obsess&#8221;, and how do you believe I fit into it?  I focus on what is being done to propagandize our news, and you call me obsessed.  Isn&#8217;t that just a bit &#8220;silly&#8221;, or something more ominous?<br />
You demonize me in an attempt to win your argument.  Not cricket, really.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeAdamson</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/should_republican_leadership_be_fired_over_foley_mess/#comment-99471</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeAdamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>r108 said 

&lt;blockquote&gt;the main characteristic of an idealist is to ignore facts in favor of an ideal vision of reality, like this:

    I don&#039;t recall seeing an outbreak of such articles...I actually don&#039;t recall seeing any such articles in the mainstream media &lt;/blockquote&gt;

and these were your words...now stop being silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>r108 said </p>
<blockquote><p>the main characteristic of an idealist is to ignore facts in favor of an ideal vision of reality, like this:</p>
<p>    I don&#8217;t recall seeing an outbreak of such articles&#8230;I actually don&#8217;t recall seeing any such articles in the mainstream media </p></blockquote>
<p>and these were your words&#8230;now stop being silly.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeAdamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeAdamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I googled it and found some stories...I found several debunking such talk as well although its not surprising that you would obsess over the former group. You may want to take a moment and consider the difference between &quot;I don&#039;t recall seeing any such articles&quot; and &quot;such articles never appeared&quot; as well...one might infer that you&#039;re ignoring the empirical evidence of my words and deductively reasoning from your personal knowledge and/or beliefs instead...that also indicates an idealist at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I googled it and found some stories&#8230;I found several debunking such talk as well although its not surprising that you would obsess over the former group. You may want to take a moment and consider the difference between &#8220;I don&#8217;t recall seeing any such articles&#8221; and &#8220;such articles never appeared&#8221; as well&#8230;one might infer that you&#8217;re ignoring the empirical evidence of my words and deductively reasoning from your personal knowledge and/or beliefs instead&#8230;that also indicates an idealist at work.</p>
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		<title>By: robert108</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MikeA: You seem to be a leftie idealist.  Kinda like that writer who ignored Stalin&#039;s slaughter of the Kulaks and praised him for bringing order to his country, or something like that.  I first noticed the lying media in how they reported the Tet Offensive in 1968, and have been noticing it ever since; it is happening with increasing frequency.  The worst part of it is what they leave out.  Have you wondered why there are no news reports of combat awards(medals) in Iraq?  Maybe you don&#039;t get out much, but the examples I mentioned about gas prices was all over the media in the States, and not just for a day or two, either.  The lying during the increase in gas prices went on for at least a month.  No story about Katrina failed to mention it, and it was independently mentioned many other times as well.  I can&#039;t be responsible for what you don&#039;t see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeA: You seem to be a leftie idealist.  Kinda like that writer who ignored Stalin&#8217;s slaughter of the Kulaks and praised him for bringing order to his country, or something like that.  I first noticed the lying media in how they reported the Tet Offensive in 1968, and have been noticing it ever since; it is happening with increasing frequency.  The worst part of it is what they leave out.  Have you wondered why there are no news reports of combat awards(medals) in Iraq?  Maybe you don&#8217;t get out much, but the examples I mentioned about gas prices was all over the media in the States, and not just for a day or two, either.  The lying during the increase in gas prices went on for at least a month.  No story about Katrina failed to mention it, and it was independently mentioned many other times as well.  I can&#8217;t be responsible for what you don&#8217;t see.</p>
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		<title>By: robert108</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbb: Your lies, point by point:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Cliiiiiinton did not commit a similar crime.

&lt;b&gt;Technically, you&#039;re right; his crime was much more serious.  He, according to feminist rules, committed sexual harrassment(powerful man, powerless younger woman, and he did more than solicit her; he had actual sex with her(despite his lies).&lt;/b&gt;

Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiintttoonn lied under oath. Was impeached and disbarred.
&lt;b&gt;He didn&#039;t lose his job, and his disbarment was delayed until he left office.  He also suborned perjury by telling Monica to lie, as well.  Even though he never paid for it, he also accepted foreign money for his campaigns, also a crime.  The bagman served time for it, but not the recipient.&lt;/b&gt;
 The gops spent over 100 million of our tax dollars to catch him lying about sex.
&lt;b&gt;And a host of other crimes, which resulted in 17 convictions, so you lie by omission.&lt;/b&gt;
 Thanks gop, well done. Bravo.&lt;b&gt;We deserve thanks for going after the scumbag.&lt;/b&gt;

Stop trying to re write history, r108.
&lt;b&gt;Bill and Hillary are already on that job.&lt;/b&gt;

I haven&#039;t watch TEEVEE in days so I don&#039;t know whether or not this newest gop cut and runner has denied or acknowledge or even made any statement on TEEVEE about what he is alleged to have done.

This guy appears to have committed numerous sex crimes with teenagers. His sudden cut and run makes him look even more guilty. The stories of gop leadership knowing about the e-mails and doing nothing for months implicates them as well.

&lt;b&gt;Only in your partisan mind.  More &quot;preliminary reports&quot;.&lt;/b&gt;

Do you think sex crimes should be prosecuted?

&lt;b&gt;Yes, without exception for being a 
smarmy Dem President.&lt;/b&gt;

By Jove, I do believe the gop is coming unhinged.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;b&gt;It&#039;s the Dems who are acting like a cornered animal these days.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbb: Your lies, point by point:</p>
<blockquote></blockquote>
<p>Cliiiiiinton did not commit a similar crime.</p>
<p><b>Technically, you&#8217;re right; his crime was much more serious.  He, according to feminist rules, committed sexual harrassment(powerful man, powerless younger woman, and he did more than solicit her; he had actual sex with her(despite his lies).</b></p>
<p>Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiintttoonn lied under oath. Was impeached and disbarred.<br />
<b>He didn&#8217;t lose his job, and his disbarment was delayed until he left office.  He also suborned perjury by telling Monica to lie, as well.  Even though he never paid for it, he also accepted foreign money for his campaigns, also a crime.  The bagman served time for it, but not the recipient.</b><br />
 The gops spent over 100 million of our tax dollars to catch him lying about sex.<br />
<b>And a host of other crimes, which resulted in 17 convictions, so you lie by omission.</b><br />
 Thanks gop, well done. Bravo.<b>We deserve thanks for going after the scumbag.</b></p>
<p>Stop trying to re write history, r108.<br />
<b>Bill and Hillary are already on that job.</b></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t watch TEEVEE in days so I don&#8217;t know whether or not this newest gop cut and runner has denied or acknowledge or even made any statement on TEEVEE about what he is alleged to have done.</p>
<p>This guy appears to have committed numerous sex crimes with teenagers. His sudden cut and run makes him look even more guilty. The stories of gop leadership knowing about the e-mails and doing nothing for months implicates them as well.</p>
<p><b>Only in your partisan mind.  More &#8220;preliminary reports&#8221;.</b></p>
<p>Do you think sex crimes should be prosecuted?</p>
<p><b>Yes, without exception for being a<br />
smarmy Dem President.</b></p>
<p>By Jove, I do believe the gop is coming unhinged.</p>
<p><b>It&#8217;s the Dems who are acting like a cornered animal these days.</b></p>
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		<title>By: robert108</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbb: That isn&#039;t why this is happening, and you know it.  Most of the Dems yelling about this are hoping their own stuff isn&#039;t discovered before election day, and if they can raise enough sand about this one, no one will pay attention to them.  They certainly don&#039;t care about young men; this is only a political hit job.  If it were a Dem, they would be justifying and excusing, and the Dem would be lying and denying.  Unlike you, I&#039;m bothered just as much by this as I was about Clinton, Jefferson and all the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbb: That isn&#8217;t why this is happening, and you know it.  Most of the Dems yelling about this are hoping their own stuff isn&#8217;t discovered before election day, and if they can raise enough sand about this one, no one will pay attention to them.  They certainly don&#8217;t care about young men; this is only a political hit job.  If it were a Dem, they would be justifying and excusing, and the Dem would be lying and denying.  Unlike you, I&#8217;m bothered just as much by this as I was about Clinton, Jefferson and all the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeAdamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeAdamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>r108...I respectfully disagree with your placement of yourself in the mainstream but it&#039;s really neither here nor there. I believe your views are honestly held and that&#039;s the important thing.

Rob...the Democrats  aren&#039;t pure either. I rag on the Republicans here because they are in power and thus are responsible for American policy. I&#039;m also disheartened by their alliance with fundamentalist Christian goups although it appears to me that those ties are loosening. I don&#039;t care much for the sanctimonious invocation of &quot;moral superiority&quot; which is common to Republicans and their supporters...Democrats do it too which just goes to show that hypcricy is not a partisan trait.

I&#039;m old enough now to recognise that electoral politics is usually a game played under very cynical conditions. This is not to say that there aren&#039;t good people trying to make a difference in politics, people from a variety of backgrounds and offering a variety of prescriptions, but politics, in the end, are politics. Any party in power for too long becomes complacent and self-gratifying and needs to be turfed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>r108&#8230;I respectfully disagree with your placement of yourself in the mainstream but it&#8217;s really neither here nor there. I believe your views are honestly held and that&#8217;s the important thing.</p>
<p>Rob&#8230;the Democrats  aren&#8217;t pure either. I rag on the Republicans here because they are in power and thus are responsible for American policy. I&#8217;m also disheartened by their alliance with fundamentalist Christian goups although it appears to me that those ties are loosening. I don&#8217;t care much for the sanctimonious invocation of &#8220;moral superiority&#8221; which is common to Republicans and their supporters&#8230;Democrats do it too which just goes to show that hypcricy is not a partisan trait.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m old enough now to recognise that electoral politics is usually a game played under very cynical conditions. This is not to say that there aren&#8217;t good people trying to make a difference in politics, people from a variety of backgrounds and offering a variety of prescriptions, but politics, in the end, are politics. Any party in power for too long becomes complacent and self-gratifying and needs to be turfed.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeAdamson</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/should_republican_leadership_be_fired_over_foley_mess/#comment-99477</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeAdamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nasty bit of business  and if &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010068.php&#039;&gt;reports&lt;/a&gt; are correct then it does seem like the Republicans have been in charge a little too long. Canada saw the same thing with the Liberal Party...ownership of power for too long leads to attitudes of entitlement and hubris. Partisanship aside, a periodic recycling of any government is healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nasty bit of business  and if <a href='http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010068.php'>reports</a> are correct then it does seem like the Republicans have been in charge a little too long. Canada saw the same thing with the Liberal Party&#8230;ownership of power for too long leads to attitudes of entitlement and hubris. Partisanship aside, a periodic recycling of any government is healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeAdamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeAdamson</dc:creator>
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		<description>lik...a good natured response which i appreciate. Even if a majority of reporters self identify as liberals it doesn&#039;t follow that they are rabid Democrats foaming at the mouth to twist every story into a weapon to use on the Republicans. Don&#039;t take my disagreement with you as a casual dismissal of your position but rather take it as a sceptical assessment...I have seen examples here of genuinely misleading reporting, some of which might be due to partisanship, but the majority of the examples I have seen seem explainable by sloppiness and incompetence.

I can&#039;t stick around this afternoon but I wanted you to know that I appreciated your response...you&#039;ve got facts, some humour, you&#039;re in control and you twist the knife just enough to draw a response without going over the top. I look forward to butting heads another time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lik&#8230;a good natured response which i appreciate. Even if a majority of reporters self identify as liberals it doesn&#8217;t follow that they are rabid Democrats foaming at the mouth to twist every story into a weapon to use on the Republicans. Don&#8217;t take my disagreement with you as a casual dismissal of your position but rather take it as a sceptical assessment&#8230;I have seen examples here of genuinely misleading reporting, some of which might be due to partisanship, but the majority of the examples I have seen seem explainable by sloppiness and incompetence.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stick around this afternoon but I wanted you to know that I appreciated your response&#8230;you&#8217;ve got facts, some humour, you&#8217;re in control and you twist the knife just enough to draw a response without going over the top. I look forward to butting heads another time.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Whistler_ofnd</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Whistler_ofnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way we all say Foley should go.  In fact he&#039;s gone.  

If he was a Dem he&#039;d still be around with the rest of the party circling the wagons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way we all say Foley should go.  In fact he&#8217;s gone.  </p>
<p>If he was a Dem he&#8217;d still be around with the rest of the party circling the wagons.</p>
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