Shootings In Gun-Controlled Chicago Worse Than In Al Capone Days

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Is gun control really doing anything to protect Chicagoans from gun violence? The facts say no:

February 1, 2013 (CHICAGO) (WLS) — In this I-Team report, Chicago’s rising murder rate in a new context, how the numbers of shooting deaths compare to the city’s most notorious crime era, the one that has tarnished Chicago’s reputation around the world for a century.

The surprising stats show the city is worse off now in the category of murder than at the height of the era that has driven Chicago’s reputation for almost a century, Capone’s “gangland” Chicago.

Let’s compare two months: January 1929, leading up to the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre, and last month, January 2013. Forty-two people were killed in Chicago last month, the most in January since 2002, and far worse than the city’s most notorious crime era at the end of the Roaring Twenties. January 1929 there were 26 killings. …

With Friday’s fatal gunshot attack on a vehicle on a Lake Shore Drive, February is starting as January left off. But if the current murder rate continues, February 2013 will far exceed February 1929, when there were 26 killings, and that number includes the attack known around the world, the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre. In that single slaughter, seven people were lined up against a warehouse wall on North Clark Street and gunned down. It was a bootlegging dispute between North and South Side mob gangs.

That hasn’t changed between then and now, as police today cite street gangs and drugs for the rise in killings.

The 42 murders in January is nowhere near the most ever in a month, but even that figure is not from the rat-a-tat-tat years. It is from the early 90s, when police also said a mix of gangs and drugs fueled the tremendous number of killings.

Criminals, especially the violent gangs which spring up around when policies such as alcohol prohibition or the “war on drugs” are implemented, don’t seem to care much about gun control laws.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • SigFan

    But, but, people are safer and stuff because all those evil guns can’t be used legally. Or something. Ask a gun grabber if they would willingly move their family to Chicago today. I’m pretty sure you can guess the answer.

    • slackwarerobert

      Of course they would. Gun grabbers will get armed police gaurds and you will pay for it.

  • SusanBeehler

    So lets get rid of all the gun laws in Chicago and let everyone buy as many guns as they want and lets wait and see what happens, Would that be your solution?

    • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

      Let’s let the innocent protect themselves. Why accept that it’s ok for the wolves to have arms but not the sheep?

      • SusanBeehler

        Do you even know what their “gun control” laws are in Chicago? People say they are the toughest but California laws are more strict. The “innocent” can protect themselves with a gun if they choose, they can have a gun in their home for protection. Many of the guns in Chicago used in crime are coming from Chuck’s Gun Shop in Riverdale, Ill. Girlfriend’s of gang members buy guns for their gang boy friends. Chicago cannot stop the guns from coming in outside the city limits.

        • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

          Well right there you highlight a problem. You’re making it tough for anyone to buy a gun by limiting people’s choices to shop.

          Obviously you can’t keep guns from coming in but you can make it tougher for the law abiding to do so.

          • SusanBeehler

            I would not exactly label a girlfriend of a gang member as “law abiding”. That is the problem the supposedly “law abiding” or “responsible” gun owners are the traffickers to the “bad guy” with guns. Stop the trafficking you will have some real “gun control”. Do you know where your gun is tonight?

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            Exactly. The criminals always find a way to get guns.

          • slackwarerobert

            Well she is until she helps commit a crime, or commits a crime on her own. I hang out with a drug dealer, but don’t take drugs, sell them, or pose as a middle man, I am a law abiding citizen. There is no law that is broken by not calling the cops. If there was you could lock up everyone in chicago where these gangs roam.

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            Making a straw purchase is a crime and it’s a crime that they are aware of when they fill out of the 4473.

            So no, these gang members girl friends aren’t going to register their guns.

        • slackwarerobert

          Then arrest the girlfriend and lock her in jail. She can’t sell the gun to her boyfriend if he is a criminal. Besides the boyfriend can’t buy the gun from her without a FOI card no mater where she buys it, so already has been cleared to buy guns in the state.
          Chicago doesn’t need to worry, because the state requires the FOI to buy a gun. And out of state requires an FFL on top of that. So there is no way to buy an illegal gun in IL.

          • Guest

            They are just driving a few miles out of town, a town with obviously not much “gun control” at all and buying their guns.

          • slackwarerobert

            Doesn’t matter, you need a FOI card to buy a gun in the STATE. not just chicago.

        • banjo kid

          You miss the obvious (in their home) what about at the movie theater or at the grocery and the walk down the street and through the park with your wife or husband and kids with you . If you look at any stat on gun control you would know almost in an instant after reading them that gun control laws cause death and harm to the lawful people . Right now a person defending them selves in Chicago face a barrage of questions and persecution if they harm one of their criminals .

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Well, yeah.

      The criminals aren’t abiding by the gun laws. Why should law-abiding citizens have to go unarmed?

      • SusanBeehler

        They are NOT unarmed. Have you even been to Chicago?

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Yes, I’ve been to Chicago a number of times. In fact, my avatar picture I’m using was snapped there.

          And yes, Chicagoans are unarmed if they’re following the law.

          • SusanBeehler

            Well I don’t know where you are getting your information but if they register them they can legally own them with a Firearm Owners Identification

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            Sure I should have to do that because the criminals all register them and have their firearm owners ID on them.

            LMAO!

          • SusanBeehler

            So are you saying you would not register your gun if you lived in Chicago because you are “law-abiding”. If you are “law abiding” you feel you should not follow a law because the criminals don’t, is this what you are trying to say or am I misunderstanding your stance.

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            I’m saying the criminals won’t register their guns so the law won’t make anyone any safer.

            Why is that hard to understand?

          • camsaure

            Because that is susan you are dealing with. Also she is just trying to stretch out and clog the thread.

          • slackwarerobert

            No, I will not tell the state I have them so they can’t publish my name and address for all the crooks to see. Remember at least half of the crooks in chicago also have a badge. You don’t tell the crook you are carrying, you shoot them so they die with a strange look of surprise on their face.

          • slackwarerobert

            Owning a firearm doesn’t do you any good when it is at home and the crooks are shooting at you on the street.
            All registering does is let the city / state rat you out to the criminals to confiscate your guns while they have deniability to gun grabbing.
            And a pistol IS A FIREARM except in chicago, then it is a banned substance.

          • SusanBeehler

            Do you even go outside in your condition?

          • slackwarerobert

            I don’t even disarm INSIDE. Did you learn nothing from sandyhook? You can just as easily be gunned down in your house as outside it.
            I just don’t go in gun free zones, or at least I don’t get caught in them when forced to go into them.

    • slackwarerobert

      As long as you can CARRY what you buy, absolutely. You also need a stand your ground law so you can use the gun you are carrying.

  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    Uh-oh, better do nothing!
    Right, nutters?

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I think Chicago should definitely do something.

      They should stop making their citizens victims by disarming them.

      • SusanBeehler

        They are not disarmed. You can’t shoot each other if you are disarmed. The Heller supreme court decision 2008 affirmed having a hand gun for self-defense and also States “(2) Like most rights,
        the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a
        right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and
        for whatever purpose… The Court’s opinion should not be taken
        to cast doubt on …laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial
        sale of arms. [emphasis added ] Pp. 54–56.”

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          They are not disarmed. You can’t shoot each other if you are disarmed.

          The criminals aren’t disarmed. That’s the point.

          The Heller supreme court decision

          You’re not even citing the right Supreme Court case.

          Your ignorance on this topic never ceases to astound.

          • SusanBeehler

            The Heller case over turned banning hand guns, what do you believe it did? The quote I made was what one of the judges wrote in the opinion. Maybe I am not as “ignorant” as you think and you choose not to research or read the full opinion.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Heller applied to a federal district. McDonald vs. Chicago dealt with the 2nd amendment in the states. In Chicago, specifically.

            But that only ended Chicago’s ban on handguns. In its place, Chicago has instituted an arcane process for obtaining a handgun for personal protection that is still prohibitive for most citizens.

            So yes, most Chicagoans remain unarmed.

            And you’re still absolutely clueless about this issue.

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            So yes, most Chicagoans remain unarmed.

            It’s going to take years and years to undo the damage of liberalism in our cities.

          • slackwarerobert

            But less if these 3D printers start getting massed produced. Now a gun will be a keystroke away. I can’t wait for the next generation to hook to your laptop, so after you go through airport security, you can print out your gun while waiting to board.

          • SusanBeehler

            Maybe I am clueless or not an attorney but from what I understand about law, the Heller case sets precedence because it is the Federal Supreme Court, not a state Supreme Court. What is the arcane process? What is prohibiting most “law-abiding” citizens from owning a gun for self defense? Paper work?

          • slackwarerobert

            the mayor and police chief who will not issue permits. Yet let their crooked cops carry guns.

          • banjo kid

            Cost is another item most people do not have an unlimited supply of money . And the politicians make sure that procedure is followed to a want to puke degree.°

          • SusanBeehler

            But we have an unlimited supply of children, people? Shouldn’t a cost be associated with a risk? It is not like a gun is used to make a cookie, it is a weapon and if it is in the wrong hands it is deadly, sometimes it is just in the hands of a child, or family member and it is deadly. It does not take a bad guy to pull the trigger. It is easier to get a gun than it is to get a licence to run a bar, or a licence to drive a car and they are not your “typical’ weapons.

          • slackwarerobert

            Strange that they still ban handguns then. guess the scotus isn’t the last word, crooks in chicago are.

          • slackwarerobert

            And yet the heller case ordered DC to let Heller have his gun and still they denied him that right. These are the crooks why we have arms in the first place. When the highest legal authority in the land says give him his gun, and a lowly political hack police chief says i don’t care, you only have a couple of options. rifle or pistol.

          • camsaure

            They are not disarmed in susans veiw, they, after all still have their scissors.

      • slackwarerobert

        At some point you have to respect the idiots wishes to be gunned down in the streets. No one forced those idiots to vote rom dead fish into office, when he wasn’t even a resident of the city.

  • stan25

    The St Valentines Day Massacre is what led the Feds to impose bans on fully automatic weapons. That and the use of the them by John Dillinger and the hoods of the early 1930s

    • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

      And that gun ban for once and for all solved our crime problem.

    • slackwarerobert

      Strangely, when they ambushed bonny and clyde, there was no outcry to take them away from the feds. St Valentines Day couldn’t happen if the cops were not allowed assault weapons. A crook knowing they couldn’t have machine guns would never fall for impersonators with them.

  • Ruths_Husband_Ben

    “Criminals, especially the violent gangs which spring up around when
    policies such as alcohol prohibition or the “war on drugs” are
    implemented, don’t seem to care much about gun control laws.” See, there is the problem right there. Education. Maybe we can have a bunch of actors and actresses do a commercial where they all talk about how gun control laws are good for gangs. Yeah, that’ll do it.

    • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

      Great idea. When you get all the criminals to turn in their guns it will be easier to get the rest of us to agree that we don’t need guns.

      • slackwarerobert

        Good luck getting homeland security, holder, and obama to give up theirs. I will need at least two consecutive admins that stay disarmed before I feel it would be safe. And that is disarmed, not give the guns to your muslim brotherhood to do the dirty work. If guns are so bad, why is obama giving them to the syrian’s?

        • camsaure

          They are just the new gang of thugs controlling Chicago.

      • banjo kid

        Not this fellow no way would it be easier to persuade me out of my home protection and my safe guard against tearhaknee . They will not get my guns unless the fingers that pulls the trigger is buried along with the rest of the body . I know you were being easy on them by saying what you did and it would also be impossible to take your weapons also . I also know that there will be less than one criminal (as in zero) that would turn their guns in.

    • slackwarerobert

      Yea, and at the next oscars they can have all their guards turn in their guns as well.

  • ec99

    Not sure they’re comparable. During the Capone/Moran/O’Bannion period “civilians” were left alone. The Crips and the Bloods have no such code.

    • camsaure

      Neither does obumas gang of thugs.

  • whowon

    Read up on State laws SB. Minnesota removes “juvenile” records at 28. Guess that must be where the feds decided you are still a child until 27 for health insurance. A guy murdered his Mother, was deemed, mentally ill and dangerous as a juvenile. Magically the records were removed and he can legally get gun permits! Since each state provides background information to the feds, looks like they might need to clean up their laws to “protect young people”. You can check each state here…http://www.papillonfoundation.org/expungementfaqs.html

    • slackwarerobert

      So that is 7 years of the feds already knowing they are nut jobs. And even if they are nuts as little innocent juvies, that doesn’t mean they haven’t been rehabilitated / cured now does it. I have no problem if the feds go to court and prove to a judge and jury you shouldn’t have the right to purchase a gun. Heck I don’t have a problem if the state does it for their state. Because I know if they get a corrupt jury to say that about me, they won’t live to enjoy stripping me of my rights.

      Besides why would you take away their right to bear arms just because they pored gasoline on your wife and kids and burned them alive? They haven’t misused any firearms. Ban them from buying gasoline maybe you could argue.

  • sbark

    I wonder if Obama waved as he flew over Chicago….on his way to Minn to preach his ideology on gun control………

    Are the Dem’cat protecting the regional drug distrbution center that is now Chicago, complete with a transplant Mexican Sinola Cartell………..do big time Dem’cat maybe get a cut of the action, and thus no action on the gun violence there? Think about it, the amount of inaction in that city of over 500 dead per year is beyond comprehension.
    As always with the Dem’cas follow the money once you get past the emotions of their politics……….they covet money as much as the next capitalist, its just that they want it the easy way.

    • slackwarerobert

      No, he was to busy hiding under a mattress in the bathtub clutching a pair of scissors.

  • hellboy

    It would take a while but, one way that the City of Chicago could get a “handle” on the gun violence would be not to try enact stiffer gun control laws (how could they get any more stringent??) but to serve notice to these cretins that it will be an automatic minimum 10 years in prison without appeal or without any possibility of parole or reduction for good time for using a gun in the commission of a felony and a automatic minimum 5 years in prison for the possession of a stolen gun or could not prove ownership by back tracking. Ya think that might make a slight dent in the gang bangers attitude???? Also could throw a little something in there for anyone who provides a weapon for these thugs…..

  • cylde

    I can not say for certain, but i do not think the Capone gangsters killed children.

    • SusanBeehler

      Just like the streets of Chicago today, it is GANG related we just have gangs of children mowing down children and anyone else in their way.

      • yy4u2

        So if they didn’t have guns, they’d be playing peacefully in the park right?

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