Shooter Makes Victims Out Of People In Another “Gun Free Zone”

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According to breaking news out of California, another school shooting has happened. As of the time of this writing, at least two people are reported as having been shot. More details here.

The nasty national debate we’ve been having over gun control is about to get more emotional, and even nastier, I’m afraid.

Two things to keep in mind as this latest story unfolds:

First, those shot are more victims of gun free zones which time and again are the targets of these shooters. Since 1950, all mass murders of three or more, except the shooting including former Rep. Gabrielle Gifford, occurred in a “gun free zone.” When are we going to admit that these “gun free zones” may as well have targets painted on them for shooters?

Second, California is ranked as #1 in the nation by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence as having some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation. “California continues to blaze legislative trails in saving lives, rising to a high of 81 points on the 2011 Brady State Scorecard rankings of state gun laws,” reports the group on its website. “California’s universal background check system, retention of purchase records, limiting handgun purchases to one a month, and an assault clip ban are just some of the laws that provide a road map to preventing gun violence.”

Connecticut, where the Sandy Hook shooting happened, is ranked #4 in the nation in terms of gun control laws.

Maybe it’s time to admit that gun control doesn’t do much to prevent gun violence.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Thresherman

    Maybe it is time to declare that the media, with it’s nonstop coverage of Sandy Hook, now has blood on its hands as well. Can anyone say “copy cat crime”?

    • two_amber_lamps

      Absolutely… but they’ll crow they’re just doing their job… to debase and demoralize the citizenry.

      • $8194357

        Propaganda is what propaganda does,
        my momma always used to say….

        • borborygmi

          What is the definitions of propaganda vs news. Compare and contrast please.

          • $8194357

            Byte me smart a$$…

            Just to get you to actually watch this video, I will throw your lefty butt a bone…..They infiltrated GW’s White Hoiuse and the Republican party as well…But the Democrats open their arms and embrace their twin ideological mid east brothers…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vQTZV4eF9KU#!

            But I beleive “everything” I read and watch, huh…..
            while your indoctrinated leftist ideology is ,well, more discerning?

          • $8194357

            Palleywood comes to Sandy Hook?
            Professional propaganda media actors needed…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC4XmAAiIek

          • slackwarerobert

            News is facts, so we have none anymore. Trying to remember if it died with nixon leaving office, or just afterwards. It is all propaganda now. News would tell us what ammo was used so we could evaluate the ammo and decise if it is right for is. Not cry how evil the gun is without even interviewing the demonic presence that makes it evil at least.

      • borborygmi

        absolutely we should keep all of this hush hush, you know sweep it under the rug…….Then there will never be anymore killings…….Well there you go putting a damper on free speech, Commie.

        • two_amber_lamps

          There ya go…. let the media keep feeding all the juicy details of the events, make anti-heros of them. Freedom of speech right?

          Just as you knowingly yell “fire” in a movie theater which leads to trampling deaths… if your words are found to cause another to go off the handle then by liberal causation, you are responsible… Right?

          Once again, you won’t hold the idiot holding the gun responsible for their actions. You’ll blame the gun, society… everyone but the nut pulling the trigger…. right?

          Silly liberal fascist.

  • mikemc1970

    The media make these crazies infamous. Report, rinse, repeat. No wonder there are copy cat killer after copy cat killer. If all guns were illegal, they would still be able to get guns as easily as they can get cocaine. It’s just the law abiding citizen that would be hurt by these laws.

  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    Just another payment on our freedom bill, right rube?
    We better hurry up and do nothing.

    • Onslaught1066

      Just another Obama voter trying to complete some botched abortions.

      So be of good cheer comrade.

      • two_amber_lamps

        Yep… only in the state of CA…. retroactive ex-utero post term abortions.

        • camsaure

          Boob would rather ban guns then treat mental illness as I am sure he is quite certain he could very well wind up in a white coat with the extra long sleeves that could help him hug himself.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Maybe if his PARENTS had hugged him a bit more he’d not ended up such a misanthrope.

          • slackwarerobert

            Or at least shot him when he tried going to school with the shotgun. They know you can’t even get near school grounds with a weapon without breaking the law in commiefornia.

        • $8194357

          Taxpayer funded?

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I’m not for doing nothing.

      How about we end gun free zones, which are clearly targets for these shooters. Or do you think it’s mere coincidence that all but one of these shootings have happened in “gun free zones” since 1950?

      • SusanBeehler

        I think this problem is more complex than guns or no guns. According to the reports I read there was a deputy which patrolled the school, officers arrived in 60 seconds. The teacher and an administrator talked the shooter “down”. No one died which is a good thing. Why are our young men shooting others? If you can’t own a gun till you are 18 where are they getting their guns? Why is using a gun an acceptable way to handle conflict or whatever?

        • Onslaught1066

          Objection! First two words assumes facts not in evidence.

        • JW-usa

          maybe start releasing the psyc meds these losers are on, maybe thats a good place to start.. mix some of that with booze or who knows what else…?

        • slackwarerobert

          No it is a bad thing, Now some other scumbag will be let out of prison to make room for this one. He should have been killed on the spot. Preferable with a ‘flash bank’ holstered gun so the boys aren’t traumatized. A gun is used to end a threatening conflict, not to handle conflict. What conflict did the shooter handle with a gun? It is government stopping your child from buying a gun, and you not giving him one to stop his rights from being violated. You better hurry, if obama gets his way you will not be allowed to give him one.

      • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

        I’ve read some early reports that there were as many as 2 armed security guards on that campus.

        Now what, rube?

        (updated to 1 armed guard)
        (updated – guard may not have been there because of snow)

    • HG

      What we can do is arm some teachers. It’s not clear what the circumstances in this shooting were but a teacher was shot. If that teacher was armed…..

      • SusanBeehler

        The teacher the weapon they had available, their voice, they were able to talk the kid out of shooting more, even though the teacher had been shot. The teacher probably saved the shooters life too by using “smart” thinking.

        • HG

          You gonna bet your kids life on a teacher talking a shooter out of his plans? You might consult the parent of the kid who got shot.

          • Onslaught1066

            I would bet her children (ick) on it.

          • SusanBeehler

            The teacher used what he had available. Do you want your child in the middle of a gun battle?

          • Onslaught1066

            You should let a smile be your bullet proof vest.

          • HG

            I’d rather he in a school where qualified and trained teachers are armed with more than words. I would bet the parents of the victim would want the same. This alone would be a huge deterrent since no longer would gun free zones offer such indefensible, easy targets.
            Think about it.

          • SusanBeehler

            Thought about it. Still want my teachers to teach, if you want to volunteer to guard the school I might consider that, depends on how well you are trained as a responsible gun owner.

          • HG

            I’ll settle for trained and responsible volunteers.

          • slackwarerobert

            Trained by who? The drunk rapists like the secret service? The spray the streets with lead cops of NYC? The shoot the kids playing whit your gun cops? The NRA who think it is ok to ban guns? Just don’t disarm people, anyone who prefers breathing over dieing slowly from a gut shot will train themselves. So what about the north east that even bans bullets? What to do about that?

            Who sets the training? obama who signed into law a gun is to be left in the seat unattended while the owner rides locked in a trunk in baggage?

          • two_amber_lamps

            I suppose you’d prefer the bullets go all in one direction? Wouldn’t want the crazed loon running around with a shotgun full of 00 buck to have to dodge incoming rounds, he might accidentally shot a child rather than shoot the child he/she was aiming at?

          • slackwarerobert

            So why not throw acid in the shooters face, it is a school. The peaceful muslims couldn’t have bought all the acid for use on their women.

          • SusanBeehler

            You are really sick. Did you read the story? They used their voice and talked him out of his weapon.

        • Hal109

          That didn’t work in CT. I’m not worried about saving the lives of shooters who kill innocent children.

    • ndoldman

      Hey DUMB-F what/when was the largest mass school killing in US history and it wasn’t commited buy guns. The Bath school bombing in 8/1927 by a school board official who lost an election to a county office, must have been a Daranged demacrat, michigan is full of them. 45 kids 6 adults and 58 hurt. wife bludgend to death pyr to. He even sounded like big eddy as he shot a dog too.

      • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

        Here’s your guy, noodleman:

        With a reputation for frugality, Kehoe was elected in 1924 as treasurer
        of the Bath Consolidated School board. While on the board, he argued
        endlessly for lower taxes. The later superintendent of the board, M.W.
        Keys, said that Kehoe “fought the expenditure of money for the most
        necessary equipment.”[2] He was considered extremely difficult to work with, often voting against the rest of the board and wanting his own way.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

        Sounds like a tea bag gop to me.

        • Onslaught1066

          Sounds more like Amy Bishop to me, Boob.

          Are you sure you have your facts straight?

          • ndoldman

            sounds more like Debbie Wasserman Schultz

        • ndoldman

          Since you found the wiki page not sure if you could or would did you read his last statement/sign placed in his yard “Criminals are made,not born” you nutters on the left are encouraging all the copy cat crimes.

          • Hal109

            “you nutters on the left are encouraging all the copy cat crimes.”

            You are so right. I cringed when I saw Obama give his press conference after Sandy Hook. His reaction will be noticed by those who evaluate every appearance he gives, like we do to them.

          • slackwarerobert

            I was never so disappointed in those families. How could they let obama disarm them and risk loosing their other kids. He was supposed to be there for them, not to ensure they had more losses.

          • slackwarerobert

            I don’t know about that, isn’t making a women give birth a crime? At least the now gang thinks so. I think criminals are created by government. Just as underage drinking, if you don’t have a drinking age, you don’t have underage drinking problem. If you don’t make living a crime, you don’t have criminals.

  • two_amber_lamps

    Oh look… this martyr for the gun control cause used a shotgun… So according to my calculations if the left would have their ASSAULT WEAPONS (scary!) ban, this shooter would have gone on his merry way pumping buckshot, birdshot, slugs or whatever else he might have had access to into hapless students?

    Take away the assault rifle, they’ll use a shotgun, take the shotgun a pistol. Take the pistol they’ll use a machete, or a box cutter, or a bat, or a rock or their teeth and nails.

    Stupid leftists… p@#$y-foot with the symptoms, not the root cause of the problem. That is rotting morals or mental defect of the individual.

    Deluded fools.

    • $8194357

      Yup…
      What you said………

    • borborygmi

      All gun owners and immediate family should get checked for mental defects, and they should have to pay for it themselves not the gov’t.

      • two_amber_lamps

        Ummm… how about you get a psych eval for even suggesting something so ludicrous? You demand I get a doctor’s note for exercising my 2nd Amendment Right?

        Hey Gurgle… Go pi$$ up a rope…

        • Hal109

          How about borborygmi and his family should get checked for mental defects, and he should have to pay for it himself not the govt, before he exercise his 1st amendment right of free speech? Maybe Biden will require a background check each time he wants to freely speak? Maybe he should be licensed each year to speak freely?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Ayes have it, motion carried!

            Molon Labe….

          • $8194357

            Molon Labe

      • slackwarerobert

        Already checked myself out. Perfectly sane, and a damn good shot. Wife and kids A-OK, and getting better all the time. A shrink is much cheaper than an “assault” weapon. Just not as useful. They are to heavy to carry around and don’t stand still and take the bullet for you. The gun never complains, and has no problem shooting the attacker regardless of race or how scary the gun he has is.

      • slackwarerobert

        When you can make mental health a science, then come talk to us. If they are so good, why can’t you get two to agree about the same patient? Both defense and prosecutor’s shrinks should be saying the same thing on the stand if it was a science.

  • HG

    So it turns out a student somehow managed to bring a shotgun to school today. Two shots were fired. One student hit, another missed, but the teacher caught a few pellets in the head.

    Time to ban shotguns?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563309/student-shot-at-calif-high-school-suspect-held/

    • $8194357

      According to the UN and international left?
      Way past time…..Thats why the Founders gave us #2.

  • Neiman

    At my school just before Xmas we had a student stab another student with a pencil. Let’s ban all pencils. A ball point pen can be a weapon, so no more ball point pens. I want pencil/pen free zones. Felt tip pens only.

    • SusanBeehler

      Take away forks too.

      • Onslaught1066

        Pie-sician, heal thyself.

      • Neiman

        Backpacks too!

        • SusanBeehler

          Yeah, because books in a back pack can be bopped over the head and cause blindness.

          • Onslaught1066

            If you are worried about blinding people, get a triple strength paper bag for your head.

          • SusanBeehler

            I think you would be better in a plastic bag sealed tightly around your head.

          • Onslaught1066

            How sweet, Our BBW (the second B is for Bovine) liberal chick is all in favor of murder, just too scared to use a gun.

            Is this the tolerance you Hippo-crites preach about alla’ time.

            Perhaps it’s a result of huffing too much glue while you waste the day covering stinky used shoes with sequins and glitter.

          • slackwarerobert

            Or some good shooting safety glasses.

          • Onslaught1066

            Non Sequitur.

          • slackwarerobert

            You are in error. You compound your error by not knowing you are in error. What do you do with imperfection…..All these problems can be fixed in a gerneration if we go back to darwin and don’t let these defective idiots breed.

      • JW-American

        10-4 take the forks!! I once got a fork jabed into my arm horseplaying over a hot dogs in the lunch room of my high school, we both had forks in both hands I zigged, he zagged, an in it went. Had the scars up till a few years ago..

        • SusanBeehler

          Good thing we no longer have glass drinking cups or bottles or they could break them against the table and have a real lunch room brawl.

          • Onslaught1066

            How would you know, have you ever eaten or drank from any vessel other than a trough?

          • SusanBeehler

            Have you ever eaten or drank from any other thing than a toilet or outhouse?

          • Onslaught1066

            That wasn’t a no, M’lardy.

  • Neiman

    I have a crazy idea, how about we get Nature’s God and Judeo-Christian morality back in schools as Jefferson encouraged every state to implement?

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      God knows there wasn’t any slaughtering in the Bible, right Old Pal?

      • Onslaught1066

        Chapter and verse of all the shootings described in the Bible please.

        I’ll save you the time spent looking it up.

        STFU.

        • slackwarerobert

          Didn’t the angels shoot heathens with lightning bolts? Didn’t god rain down on every one with rain? Where is it a law you can only use lead bullets? If god was anti gun why would he give us the right to own them?

          • Onslaught1066

            Are you leading the charge for lighting control?

            Or are you merely looking to earn the title of the next “American hannitard”?

          • slackwarerobert

            No, just pointing out that the bible has no problem when bad people die. Heck he is the ultimate “rule of law” example, he even let his own son be killed. He didn’t yell you can’t do that, No he said, sorry son it is the law, and he worked to change the law.

      • HG

        You libs think there’s nothing worth dying for.

        • slackwarerobert

          No, they think abortion, and helplessness are worth dieing for. It isn’t what is worth dieing for, it is what is worth giving your life to protect.

      • Neiman

        I am not your pal LIAR.

        Since you are an admitted non-Christian, there is no use discussing it, you are a Christ hater and worse, you cannot debate issues, only play demonic games.

  • $8194357

    And CBS (communist brodcast system) said the shooter had the gall to
    do it while Joe was “in session” with the NRA…

  • $8194357
    • borborygmi

      and it is amazing how much your read and believe. Oh wait I bet your type don’t use propaganda. It is all the whole truth and nothing but the truth…..

  • sbark

    Ron Paul asked the pointed question on wether Obama has used killer drones that delivered a hit on any schools or even any children. He contends Obama is using drones to kill children worldwide.

    Ron Paul quote on Obama…….”It should go without saying that he’s gone way too far. It also should go without saying that he’s acting with the use of illegal violence, and he becomes the violent person,” Rep. Paul explained. “These are dictatorial moves; they are very, very dangerous.”

  • borborgymi

    Apparently there was suppose to be and armed security guard but he was not there. So technically it wasn’t a gun free zone. It seems that another mentally disturbed young man got his hands on a gun. All gun owners and members of immediate family need to get a mental evalutation/

    • Hal109

      All of borborgymi’s immediate family members need to get a mental evaluation before he exercises his 1st amendment right of free speech or any unalienable right, for that matter.

  • Don Quixote

    Let’s see. The shooter, who claimed that he was being bullied, takes a shotgun and shoots one person and fires at others. A teacher and staff member, unarmed, talk him into surrendering. Now you second ammenders crow that this validates your desire to have everyone armed.

    Sorry, I don’t see it. If there weren’t so many guns and if they weren’t so readily available to everyone who has any kind of grudge or mental illness, there would be far fewer people killed. Guns are the ultimate lethal weapon. You don’t have to be strong, mentally stable, or smart to use them.

    You would be on far better using footing using home invasion examples. Even then, the “stand and defend” argument isn’t to your advantage. “Retreat and defend” is far more defendible and morally defendable. “Stand and defend” smacks of legalized murder.

    I’m not saying that eliminating guns is the panacea for all violent deaths. That would be laughable. But something needs to be done. That said, I would be surprised if any federal legislation is ever passed. Obama may be able to do something by executive decree, but it would be a bandaid solution which would do nothing but incite the fanatics. And fanatics, especially those with guns, are people to be feared.

    • slackwarerobert

      Why didn’t they talk him into stopping BEFORE he shot the two kids. A bullet in his head would have done a better job. A fanatic isn’t to be feared unless you are violating his rights. But you have to be mentally stable to continue using them when everyone is armed. No, retreat is never going to work. Ask france, poland, england. It cannot be legalized murder because they are illegally in the home. If they want to be arrested, I suggest beaking into the police station instead. The solution is to stop disarming the people so we can defend the state. Your problem is you don’t want the state to be defended, you want it to be the criminal.

  • SusanBeehler

    Just wondering; if the answer to school shootings is arming teachers: How come their are still shootings at courthouses where armed guards are and many jailhouses full of officers? The solution is not as simple as armed teachers or NO ‘no gunfree’ zones.

    • Hal109

      Post a link please.

      • SusanBeehler
        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Which proves what?

          • SusanBeehler

            A solution is not as simply as arming teachers or staff. It shows despite having a whole jailhouse full of deputies, gun violence occurred. The argument of having or the threat of having a gun does not necessarily deter a shooter.

          • Hal109

            Training first, then arm some teachers and staff.

        • Hal109

          Both incidences mentioned in the link you provided were outside the courthouse. It appears that the armed guards are what prevented the attackers from taking their crimes into their intended victims. Both are examples of how armed security did prevent attackers from entering the targeted building.

          Train and arm willing teachers and it will be more difficult for thugs to attack in these “no gun zones”.

          • SusanBeehler

            He got one of his intended victims and a bystander. You don’t think the same thing could happen on a playground or school grounds? Have you done a survey, how many teachers are willing to carry guns or to even add this on the list of continuing education they are already required to have? How many more hours in a day does a teacher have to learn a new skill? I think we should be discussing how to prevent more deaths not defending buildings.

          • Hal109

            I have talked to both teachers and school administrators who are willing to carry concealed firearms but are concerned that SOME of the parents will feel uncomfortable and make a stink. So, all children in that school will continue to be defenseless because of a few mindless twits.

            So you are admitting that the armed guards prevented the shooters from entering the targeted building?

          • SusanBeehler

            I would make a “stink” about teachers carrying weapons and I am not mindless, I would not want one of my children to be the bystander killed in a shooting or “friendly” fire: security guards or people trained for security purposes not teachers would be fine, but as a homeowner I am tired of the increase cost of education. I never denied armed guards may have prevented them from entering the building, armed teachers will not be at the doors of the school they will be in the classroom, and the threat of someone opening fire on the shooter did not seem to deter this shooter and that is my point, the threat of someone having a gun does not necessarily prevent gun violence, actually it can just make it a bloody mess.

          • Hal109

            I was not referring to you when I mentioned mindless twits. I may not agree with much of what you say but you tend to be respectful and thought provoking.

          • slackwarerobert

            You don’t need to train, those that want to live will take care of that themselves. Just don’t disarm those who do want to live.

  • cylde

    When i was in high school a butthead shot a paper clip with a rubber band and took the left eye out of a nice kid. Lets ban office supplys.

    • slackwarerobert

      You can’t ban rubbers that would violate some sluts rights. Why do you blame the paper clip when you don’t blame the bullet?

  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    Uh-oh.

    Looks like the not so invisible hand of capitalism has grabbed it some sayanythingblog.com sauce.

    Go Daddy!

  • slackwarerobert

    How many illegals involved? Usually with commifornia stories not mentioning them is a dead giveaway they are.

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