Shocker: William Ayers Hates Fox News, Claims Again That Weather Underground Never Killed Anyone
It’s unbelievable to me that Ayers can claim that the Weather Underground never killed or hurt anyone, and that the group didn’t represent terrorism.
We know that Weather Underground members certainly murdered people during activities such as bank robberies conducted in order to provide the group with funds. We also know that the Weather Underground plotted attacks that would have murdered hundreds of people. A notable example of this was the bombing they plotted for a dance hall filled with soldiers and their dates at the Ft. Dix military base. And, finally, what of the intimidation the group engaged in? Throwing fire bombing the homes of judges? Calling on kids to murder their parents? Rioting? Vandalism? Kidnapping? Prison breaks?
None of these things has a place in democratic politics. It’d be one thing if the Weather Underground were a resistance group operating within a totalitarian regime, but they weren’t. They were a bunch of radical liberals throwing a temper tantrum about the Vietnam War and living out their fantasies of imposing their socialist on their fellow citizens. Tags: Domestic Issues, Politics
reallybiasedbob at 10:38
At 11:44, rbb brings up an old, inflammatory Neiman quote. Because he loves him?
I bet he’d lie about other things, too!
The Agitated Veterinarian writes:
Their energy? What a crock! That’s like saying Jeffrey Dahmer’s culinary tastes could have been spent on a better balanced diet!
Imagine unloading that same euphemistic horse hockey on the Viet Nam war as “a waste of American energy, which could have been spent much more productively.” BS, AV. BS.
BTW, anyone notice that boob would rather hijack the thread and talk about anything but William Ayers and other liberals?
The “angry vertebrate” formerly the “anarchist vegetarian” who has never been nor shall ever be an “adept vocator” nor in any danger of being accused as such now claims:
The Nazis committed genocide against the Jews and Gypsies and homicide against the mentally ill and homosexual. The Nazis, you should note, were not tried under German law as it existed at the time of the genocide and mass homocide.
That’s rather less clear since I have no real understanding of the laws of Rwanda in effect at the time. Homicide and genocide (as understood under the Nuremberg precedent) most assuredly.
The former, yes. The latter (with the notable exception of the war crimes committed by the VC and NVA, viz Hue City), not.
It is indeed sadly true that the VC and NVA were never held to account for their war crimes.
Make your case, preferably before a competent tribunal.
Oh my! A moronic convergence as “Angry Vertebrate” formerly “Anarachist Vegetarian” but never an “adept vocator” joins blackwaterboob in defending a domestic terrorist whilst playing the moral relevance card.
Definitely prime exemplars of the Obama Voter!
Proof,
Yep.
blackwaterboob’s issues are like that.
di,
Yes, puzzledfuck does, and blackwaterboob is best ignored.
Rob,
Sic semper terrorist.
Heh,
Never accused of being an “adept vocator” nor in any danger of such an accusation:
How gauche of me to point out trollish behavior!
I love you Neiman and hope you get well soon.
Puzzled,
Do you have some sort of a personal vendetta against Neiman? If not, quit being an asshole!!!!!!!! As far as finding gays in Cali, walk down the street carrying a large cross or a sign saying “I voted yes on prop 8.” They will find you. Enjoy your trip, asshole. I am also a Christian. I admit I am not as forgiving or nearly as nice as Neiman.
WOOF, noted moron
WOOF, noted moron LYING his Marxist ass off.
Not that I think you’d lie about fellow Marxists or anything, WOOF, but you just did, as usual. Besides the fact that the two died before they could set off their BOMBS that were intended to kill and/or maim service men and their dates accidentally, you must think their plan was to commit suicide.
You make we want to puke, lying MARXIST punk. Too bad the WU didn’t nail your lying ass. The world would have been a better place and you certainly don’t qualify as anyone, you waste of skin.
Perhaps, Neimass, you can ask God if he will work with me.
It takes two to tango. Three in this case. Four counting you Proof.
Okay Puzzled: I admit am a very weak man as touching some matters, I often make mistakes in getting angry and intemperate and can without desiring to, be offensive at times and that to my deep and most sincere regret. God is working on me about those faults in my nature, be patient I need time just like God needs time to work on your life, otherwise working too fast He would destroy us both.
But, what people like you always do, which are both dishonest is two things: (1) You don’t hold anyone on the Left to the same Standards as those on the Right. You are not interested in Truth or Justice, just winning. (2) You forget that despite the frail character of any man, no matter how flawed he (I) might be, it doesn’t make the truth they speak any less the truth. An alcoholic can tell you the truth about the destructive effects of an alcoholic lifestyle better than the teetotaler. So, judge me as being bad, beneath you, a low life, whatever and I have no objections, I am often very guilty of all the accusations against me and worth being looked down upon; but for you to focus on that and not debate what I have to say, means you are either afraid of the facts or are unable to mount an effective, intelligent argument about what I have to say.
If you cannot respond to the issue at hand, why do you waste your time?
di,
Why more than once?
Wow, Di, it hasn’t taken you long to get the Say Anything rightie attitude. Neimass has long taken us to task and name called numerous times then falls back on his Christianity and plays the victim.
So defend him all you want. And really you are quite like Neimass.
No Gman, I live here in Homosexual-California and we call him Schwartzenkennedy for a reason, he is a RINO and only a scum bag RINO like Chuck Hagel makes him look good at all!
Puzzled: I will sincerely pray for you! If nothing else, maybe GOd will deal with your hate!
Well, Rob, technically it was only one bank robbery. 2 cops, 1 security guard. Ayers wasn’t there, but that’s no surprise. He was just smarter than the others. He was like Manson, get the gang to do the dirty work, less risk to him. That’s why they blew up, or went to jail and he didn’t. They were horribly inept, thank the Lord, but if you read Ayer’s books, he tells the story a little clearer. I have read parts of Prairie Fire, years and years ago, it is really wacked out. He doesn’t regret a damn thing.
Rob: I am not defending Ayers actions. The WUO actions were generally stupid and harmful in that turned people against them.
While the WUO was right to oppose the Vietnam War, their energy could have been spent much more productively.
Rodney: You are effectively claiming that the Nazis didn’t murder Jews, Gypsies, and the mentally ill? Or that the Hutus didn’t murder the Tutsis in Rwanda?
These actions, like the Vietnam War, were state sanctioned but were still murder.
There was no war crimes, or genocide, tribunal post-Vietnam War since there was no organization that had sufficient power to bring proceedings against those responsible. But since the Vietnam War was in breach of international law (UN Charter and mandates, international treaties, and Geneva + Hague Conventions), then those responsible are certainly complicit in murder.
Di, ditto.
I was born their jackass!
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Classic Ayres
Classic 60s rhetoric
Classic liberal spin
It is just sad to see this guy believe his own lies. He works at a public college right? That means tax dollars go to this guy.
C.
Go ask anyone who survived the Gulag’s how Marxism is a slight.
Go ask anyone living in South Florida who escaped from Cuba how Marxism is a slight.
You ass,
The only ones who think Marxism actually can work are the ones who have lived in a free country, sucked off the hind tit of the government, and are to damned lazy to work hard enough to get ahead.
Go suck an exhaust pipe.
Hey, Neimass, I’m coming to homosexual-California this weekend, where can I see me some of those folks. Can you tell them by just looking at them; do they have a marking so I can be on the lookout?
Hey, Niemass, you would know a scumbag is you saw one, he’s the guy who quotes the bible chapter and verse than attacks others which is also found in that bible you quote, right, Neimass?
wow, there are a lot of angry righties out tonight!
AV: Ayers is a domestic terrorist. Get over your phony equivalence game. Reagan defeated the Soviet Union; your side lost. Live with it. How many have your commies killed, in the name of ideological purity?
The sad part about Obama’s election is that it emboldens assholes like Ayers and Dorn.
Look at what is happening in California with the gays, and also what happened at the Church in rural Michigan where the gays stormed the church and interrupted the service.
Look for it all to continue and increase.
blackwaterboob’s like a parrot: what he has by rote he has, the rest, not so much.
Notice how this dirt bag found refuge in the education cabal!
William Ayers and the actions of a few zealots had far-reaching repercussions for an entire generation. Those Leftwing insects gave us all a bad name. As a result, the “establishment” as it were, tended to paint us with the same brush. Ayers threatened the system; the system came down hard. Bill Ayers did far more damage to his own generation than might be expected. Good job Einstein. I heard the Terry Gross interview with Ayers on NPR, where the “distinguished (tattooed) professor” is pushing his lousy book. Bill Ayers is a parasite; nothing more than a capitalist inspired lackey, a traitor to us all, still exploiting the system for his own aggrandizement. Then came Hillary. Oh, ma-ma, I shall be Queen: http://theseedsof9-11.com
Proof,
sorry if i was the one who took it off topic. I was just defending what was said in this particular thread. I didn’t think it was too cool to keep attacking someone who wasn’t wanting to play. And I think attacking someone’s faith is low. Bob, you know I have been here only a few months. I don’t know all the back story w/ you and Neiman. I don’t know him. I was saying the behavior was assholey, he was trying to apologise.
LTM,
Why did I post twice, or why did I stay with the abusive husband? I left 9 times, had him arrested 12 times, was in the hospital 8 times, ICU 2 times, should have gone to the hospital-countless. some people won’t let you leave. They will find you. He only left me alone totally fairly recently. He started taking drugs and lost his job, so he couldn’t chase me across state lines anymore, too expensive. He is a total psycho. Hasn’t seen his kids in 7 yrs. Never paid a dime in child support. I don’t like to see what looks like an unfair fight.
To all the apologists of state-organized murder:
There is no evidence WUO ever killed a single person. Either they were the world’s most incompetent terrorists or that killing their fellow Americans wasn’t the goal.
When a murderous regime is killing millions in South East Asia, it is every American’s moral obligation to oppose that regime. Maybe you need to go find out what a real patriot is.
My rote follows yours, Capt’n Jack.
Neiman, you wrote that you live in CA, were you lying in your bio when you wrote you live in Reno, Nevada?
Woof: To refresh your memory, the battle cry of the Weathermen was “Off the pigs!”(Kill the police!) Nice guys. /sarcasm
Their energy could’ve been spent not killing their fellow citizens. And as you lied in saying they never killed anyone…yes, you were defending them.
Like, dude, those people who agreed to a treaty are so totally responsible for those who agreed to break it…and then like, they TOTALLY went in and fought the actual criminals. But I’m gonna blame the whole thing on Bush, cause pot has killed my brain thinking for more than like…oh look a kitty.
How is MARXIST a slight?
YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT THAN ME HA TAKE THAT!!!!
Ayers never killed anyone, that bank robbery was after the Weathermen had disbanded as you stated in your post, and though they plotted to they never did.
Perhaps your a proponet of thoughtcrime?
Are we not allowed to think about or consider violent crimes, does thinking about them make them true?
As if I should be saying saying anything.
That wasn’t the question.
I’ll just take that as a yes, you lied.
Puzzled: I will pray for you tonight, but please try a little less sarcasm, I have nothing against you at all. If I used any words that offended you, they were not meant to cause offense, I apologize. I was being completely honest in my self-deprecation, whether you want to believe me or not is beside the point and of no concern to me. Anyway, I won’t continue with you tonight as you seem to be wanting to pick a fight and attack me, because of some personal hatred against me. You have a right to hate me or dislike me, but I am not in the mood to fight or argue about my personal life and failings.
If you ever want to just discuss the issues, I am willing!
As to rbb, I hate responding any further to your constant filth, but just for the record, for anyone else reading this, I entered Reno, Nevada below my birthdate and thought that is what was being asked, but I didn’t lie, at worst I misundertood the question; however, since you are a child of the father of lies, I can understand why you want to accuse others of being like you.
Proof,
Dahmer’s culinary tastes? I loved that. Still laughing.
You can be a Christian and call someone an asshole. It’s not like a bolt of lightning is coming down from the clouds. It is my decision, my moral judgement. I hope you decide to let me worry about it. I don’t know if Neiman attacks you nor do I care. I don’t like the way you talk to him about his faith. It’s very assholey. And Bob, it won’t work with me, I like being called a winner. I couln’t give a rat’s ass less what you think of me. I am 42 yrs. old, own two successful businesses, have 4 grandkids and a happy marriage. It rolls right off of me. I was married to a wife-beater for 15 yrs, he tried to kill me, more than once. I never like to see people attacked when they seem at a disadvantage. Sue me.
Nothing Bill Ayers could have done would have approached the sheer evil of the military’s killing of millions of Indochinese (in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia).
The Weather Under Ground Killed a judge and cops and others and Ayers is the leader of the group, so that is on him. The man is a terrorist and should be sitting in a federal prison. So harmful while true doesn’t do justice to explain him.
The problem Neimass is that you go after people and name call and when called on it you feign the “I’m a weak and frail person” meme. You do it all the time and then you fall back on the bible to save you. What a joke!
I’m not looking down on you so quit playing the victim. You know exactly what you are doing at all times! You intentionally write the words you write. You mean the words you write.
And please, quit telling me God is working on this with you. Quit talking about being a Christian when in the very next breath you preach hate.
Please, Neiman, you have enough work to do with God tonight.
He’s not so much a RINO as a EURO PEON. That should say it all.
WOOF, you can start reading here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions
Personally, I think any attention given to this tired old blowhard and his skanky wife is a waste of time. They had their extra 15 minutes of fame. Let them slink back under the rock they crawled out from under in peace.
What kind of pig god do you pray to?
It isn’t it fascinating how you accuse others of hate and practice it yourself with such vigor? Oh, and when were you appointed to say what someone else can say at SAB? It sounds like tonight you are filled with rage, hate and are suffering from a serious emotional problem. Sorry for your serious emotional illness! I hope you get help and get better!
AV is using the usual leftie tactic of rationalizing their violence by pointing at someone else. No matter what you think of the Vietnam War, especially the killing of the South Vietnamese in a war of imperialism by the communist Ho Chi Minh, it doesn’t justify anything Ayers and his fellow scumbags did. They are responsible for their actions, not anyone else.
Yes I suppose that resisting Russian and Chinese-backed Communist insurgencies weren’t sufficient reasons for assisting the RVN, and all those dire warnings of what would happen should Communism prevail were just McNamarian fantasies.
Several Million dead Cambodians, Laotians and Vietnamese from the Killing Fields hence, it was more likely a Leftist Democratic Congress and White House that ensured that no harm would come to the WUO and that all those Draft Dodgers could come back to the USA without repercussions.
Too bad they didn’t exert the same level of efforts in looking after the interests of the POWs and MIAs we left behind.
If I tell a group of people “Kill Barack Obama”, and one of them does…I am on the hook as an accomplice.
If you don’t get that…that’s cool, you’re ignorant. But inciting violence is a crime. And if you don’t care…then there’s no reason we should pay attention to you anymore.
It goes to show intent. Isn’t that a good enough reason? Come running at me with a knife, I can discern your intent pretty clearly. And I will dispatch you to the hereafter with 2 taps to the center of mass, bitch. Someone should have done the same to a lot of these assholes. A little rough prairie justice might be a good thing to make these spoiled brats come around to a more productive way of thinking.
http://tinyurl.com/4c9tw3
Gman,
If that stupid RINO Asshat goveror in Cali would keep his mouth shut and quit telling them to keep fighting for their voices to be heard, that couldn’t hurt.
Two Weathermen blew themselves up.
Who else was killed?
No dead.
I don’t think anyone is saying the WUO didn’t have a right to oppose foreign policy as it related to the war in Vietnam, but you were defending them by trying to mitigate their actions.
If you want to spin for them then just do it, but don’t blow smoke about WUP never hurting anyone and expect you won’t be called on it.
Weather Underground members absolutely killed cops during bank robberies. They also plotted bombings to kill cops and soldiers at a dance at Ft. Dix.
That they were never able to follow through with these plans, and that their other attacks didn’t rack up a body count, is hardly a valid defense for these thugs.
What’s astounding is that the same morons who would call Bush a warmonger and criminal will go to any sort of rhetorical contortions necessary to defend scum like Bill Ayers.